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funny thread to catch up to a few days later. taste is such a subjective thing. yeah most italo i guess (esp, for me, the stuff beyond 1984) is crapola and over the top cheese. but the great ones are great. early stuff very analog drums, overdriven, synthesized, futuristic themes.. crazy synth sounds. It's weird enough (and to an American... alien enough, culturally) to be interesting. like any genre, (ESPECIALLY techno... ) most things in a flood of releases are bad, and a very small amount of cream eventually rises to the top. 95% of it is pretty bad, like laugh out loud bad. . but that's the same with all art IMHO.. of any kind. People take dance music too seriously IMHO... you have to laugh at things that are just ridiculous. there's plenty of fun to be had... i also like to discover/uncover the oddball italo cuts or b-sides that are less well known but also fun to mix with house or techno. some of these are priced at a $2 but are worth more to me because of what i can do with them, or they represent a period of electronic music development i feel is still largely being rediscovered by people who now consider themselves Techno.OR WHATEVER... yet some of even the bad stuff has a certain charm i hold dear in the way i like synthesized, beat-box driven crude early (raw feeling, underproduced) dance music. it's innocent, tiny labels, ridiculous lyrics that make no sense, etc. some of it is just laugh out loud funny to me.. but if the music is kicking, i can deal and it makes it all the more interesting to me. i can understand some Europeans not feeling it because you heard it all along as kids, etc. It was bad radio pop and the worst of it probably tainted the quality of the early years. From an American's perspective (i think there's but a handful of us left on 313 ;) hehe... anyway here in american it hit chicago (and even detroit - most notably there Robotnik's 'Problems d'Amour'... later edited rather lamely by carl craig, but i digress) a handful of years AFTER it was already stale over in europe, and here in chicago it influenced a whole mess o' chicago house producers who liked the beats and (to their ears)... Chip E has said his early stuff was trying to imitate the italo stuff he was hearing... funny. good article in Keep On about that if you can find it. Tons of old DeepHousePage mixes by Hotmix 5, Farley, etc. have italo tracks in them. Just for some perspective, it just worked with what else they were playing at the time, and imports back then made a DJ more exclusive because they were harder to get your hands on. but all that shouldn't make you LIKE to listen to italo, everyone likes what they like. but you should at least understand it's historical importance to dance music coming from chicago and detroit. i think being from UK or europe a lot of that is - AHEM - lost in translation. this was in an era when the dance music world was not globalized to the extent it is now, when you couldn't go google and order a record from some dealer or auction site.. records were imported and a small number of italo would come in and DJs here in chicago scooped it up because it was WEIRD.. and it was robotic yet had elements of disco.. some had terrible raps, etc. (Morgan put some of those on his Unclassics CD.. for example... italo raps are an even more alien species of weirdness!). But many beat tracks of those became blueprints for basic house drumbox rhythms. that's the stuff i gravitate towards anyway... I also get them in filthy warehouses for a few bucks each.. I can't stop liking it just because others choose to pay hundreds for it. People pay way more than for original pressings of motown soul 45s and even weirder stuff so when there is limited original art of any kind, collectors spring up. don't let confuse monetary value with artistic merit to your own ears -- there's a huge difference. A record is only worth what someone is willing to pay... as is the case with rare paintings, sculpture, gemstones, etc. How much someone paid for it shouldn't affect your ability to judge it's artistic merit on it's own account. In one final note about italo.. like any genre of music i feel it's best mixed with other genres that have similar elements but are yet still different. I would tire of an 100% italo set just like i would tired of a 100% techno set, 100% acid house, etc.. it's all about throwing these curveballs into a mix and adding some variety- the better / more fun italo cuts are are weirdo things that don't sound like anything else and have a lot of energy. I've been in a dark room when Theo Parrish drop the odd italo cut here and there and it's just a fantastic accent mark on whatever else he's playing before and after it. It's not all terrible cheese, it's just early dance music that sounds weird enough to be funky... or whatever. Ken - finally about you liking
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time to stop all this playa hata talk klein and the mbo ' dirty talk' . that's an italo track and it's brilliant. no one is saying all and every italo track is good. but the good ones are brilliant. it's the same with house and techno - the majority of house and techno tracks are complete crap. james www.jbucknell.com fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 313@hyperreal.org 14/07/05 02:45 AM cc Subject Re: (313) italo reissues me neither placid..i thought it sounded cheesy then, and it still sounds cheesy to me now fab. - Original Message - From: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) italo reissues Still not getting this italo thing I've really been really trying aswell it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it some silly money exchanging hands for it aswell p [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone should do this: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4013731570 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. ForwardSourceID:NT0002077E
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Acid Man wrote: Still not getting this italo thing I've really been really trying aswell it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it some silly money exchanging hands for it aswell p *** I'm with you on this I think, Paul. The slightly weird thing is that I am quite a fan of the stuff which has been *influenced* by so-called Italo - I-F, Passarani and the Nature/Pigna things in general and more (inc. some Viewlexx). I say so-called, 'cause when I were a lad - admittedly, that was about 50 decades ago - Italian dance music was basically straight-up and quite 'black' disco. All I need to say is Change (and other Mauro Malavasi projects) for you to know what I'm meaning. That group was a start for Vandross and Jocelyn Brown after all. And of course one must mention Moroder. It wasn't this 'so-naff-it's-good-Casio-made-electronic-teen-disco'! Anyway, I know I'm being slightly harsher than I mean to be and not entirely serious. But in general, also, I'm not feeling it. And perhaps the bigger problem is that people who *are* feeling it, seldom play what they regard as the really good stuff so I can get some sort of education in my idiot head about it! Alex, I don't think you dropped any in Public Life did you?!? ;-) I can't remember the last DJ who bends my ear about Italo, who played an Italo track out. Rick Hopkins (Haywire) is a rare exception. Ken
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The shortcomings are due to the producer, not the format. Just concentrate on what you love and ignore what you don't. off to lunch. right on. like i said in an earlier post, there's good music and bad music, regardless of genre. (so i guess have to admit there are some italo songs i like ;) baby ford very ep is very good too (no pun intended) fab.
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Alex, I don't think you dropped any in Public Life did you?!? ;-) I was strictly on the house and techno thing that night. come to brixton, july 23rd and I'll bend your mind. I promise. ha..! : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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p.s. I ain't some mad italo head, it's just I like bits of italo. just as like bits of absolutely everything else. p.p.s. I have a special pikey version of scotch penguins invasion that you will like kenneth. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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p.s. I ain't some mad italo head, it's just I like bits of italo. just as like bits of absolutely everything else. p.p.s. I have a special pikey version of scotch penguins invasion that you will like kenneth. If it lives up to the title it'll be ace Mr Bond! Ken
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thanks! also who is reissuing pineapples? God it's about time. Also I thought that Nature/Pigna camp was going to reissue Mr. Master - Dog in the Night... anyone know if that ever happened? I hope I haven't slept on it and they're all gone? peace On Jul 12, 2005, at 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rocking set! thanks matt. T.C. Curtis - You Should Have Known Better (Hot Melt) i love this song - it's on a larry levan mix from dhp. on cold days i usually sing it as 'should have known better, should have worn a sweater.' anybody know if this available anywhere? eagerly awaiting the rerelease of pineapples. james www.jbucknell.com -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
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also who is reissuing pineapples? mr del monte. he say yes. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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del monte top 3 pineapples - come on closer oranges lemons - dreams of santa ana hot banana label comp lp. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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http://www.flexx.be/label.php?PHPSESSID=e17d6f4d249d00cc4009c2ce27ec9720 sold my copy on danse for $250 last week hehe
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someone should do this: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4013731570 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Still not getting this italo thing I've really been really trying aswell it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it some silly money exchanging hands for it aswell p [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone should do this: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4013731570 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] someone should do this: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4013731570 man. what are people smoking these days? seriously, i even kinda like italo disco but sh*t be selling for insane amounts of money and the tracks arent even all that good. even the stuff that gets reissued on comps and bootlegs and the unclassics i dont think are better tracks than alot of completely random disco records that arent worth $10. tom andythepooh.com
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it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it know what you mean p. get the edit box out innit. its like everything tho I suppose, theres good and bad everything. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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-- Original Message -- From: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still not getting this italo thing I've really been really trying aswell it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it some silly money exchanging hands for it aswell apparently im not the only one! i absolutely cant believe how much money some of these records cost. i saw an auction a couple months ago for this single sided Delerium 12 that was beat up and still went for like $750. the really crazy thing is that it had already had an official repress like the month before! thats insanity. people need to quit smoking crack and realise that rarity /= good. tom andythepooh.com
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man. what are people smoking these days? seriously, i even kinda like italo disco but sh*t be selling for insane amounts of money and the tracks arent even all that good. even the stuff that gets reissued on comps and bootlegs and the unclassics i dont think are better tracks than alot of completely random disco records that arent worth $10. cripes. put your knickers back on our kid. free world innit. check this one out: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4715315924 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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even the stuff that gets reissued on comps and bootlegs and the unclassics i dont think are better tracks than alot of completely random disco records that arent worth $10. by the way, there is no 'better' records. it's just what you like innit, each to their own and all that. i don't see how you can measure music on a 1-10 scale factor of whats good or whats not. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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apparently im not the only one! i absolutely cant believe how much money some of these records cost. i saw an auction a couple months ago for this single sided Delerium 12 that was beat up and still went for like $750. the really crazy thing is that it had already had an official repress like the month before! thats insanity. people need to quit smoking crack and realise that rarity /= good. Crack smokers I know (or knew) have other places for their $750 :-) ^D jeff
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cripes. put your knickers back on our kid. free world innit. it sure is, but i start to get annoyed when hype and price starts outweighing the actual quality. theres lots of funk and soul and american disco i feel the same way about. people get caught up in the hype and overlook plenty of much better easier to find tunes because theyre too lazy to dig and discover things for themselves. check this one out: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4715315924 insanity. no record ever pressed is worth that much $$$. tom andythepooh.com
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me neither placid..i thought it sounded cheesy then, and it still sounds cheesy to me now fab. - Original Message - From: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) italo reissues Still not getting this italo thing I've really been really trying aswell it's almost as if they know i am enjoying it and then they go and put this horrible synth or some stupidly bad singing in it just to ruin it some silly money exchanging hands for it aswell p [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone should do this: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4013731570 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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insanity. no record ever pressed is worth that much $$$. of course it is. IN YOUR OPINION, no record is worth that much. IN MY OPINION, theres lots of records worth that much. see? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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i like the hype. it just depends on where you stand yourself. it gives me the oportunity to sell one record and buy 20 instead. don't start bashing the music though because of what you think are stupid prices. true, prices for some hyped italo recs have gone up 10x in the last year. but italo has some of the highest prices for dance records for many years now. has to do with the very small labels, with fans buyers being in their 40s well settled and with the utter originality of some of the tunes. i won't hold on to many of them now, after i'm through this phase, but some are genius and will stay with me. for me minimalism is the real kitsch / cheese these days.
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for me minimalism is the real kitsch / cheese these days. For real. And has been for years now. But just like everything else, it's the gems that skate along under the format radar that make any genre worth the dough though isn't it? I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about the dodgier acts, as that's not what I want to see/hear/buy anyway. Take heatwave, that's an italo tune to be proud of...and it's super cheesball too, but not as much as say, burn it up (on risque as well). Like them both though. And even though the self aggrandizing, insular, minimal snoozefest is the main reason I don't bother with most netlabels and german anything these days, there are the one's that manage to squeak and snip they're way into my head for a few rounds of repetetive memory passes... like the new baby ford- very ep on pal sl. Stupid wobbly bubbly jacking stuff that keeps reminding me that no matter what the fakers do, there's realness out there. That souljazz comp microsolutions to megaproblems does a ***GOOD*** job of sorting the wheat from the chaff (and putting it in context) if your BS patience hasn't lvld up enuff to survive digging yet. The shortcomings are due to the producer, not the format. Just concentrate on what you love and ignore what you don't. off to lunch. Bad luck story of the year: I put my car in the shop for a transmission rebuild job that's got me broke as a joke. The next day a lightning storm hits my computer and blows the proc/motherboard. I still haven't been able to steady my hand enough to test my hard drives as my backup drive was connected at the time. If the drives were affected...**hand shakes uncontrollably**. Life's weird. I need an UPS. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems
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honestly, dunno what to think about these insane prices... but anyway: thx a lot for that popsike link, alex. was always wondering if such a database existed. it does. link of the week! c* p.s.: this discription killed me: The record technically should not be played but collected as an item. http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4716466828 ha. who would play this out anyway, even if it was not signed? :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man. what are people smoking these days? seriously, i even kinda like italo disco but sh*t be selling for insane amounts of money and the tracks arent even all that good. even the stuff that gets reissued on comps and bootlegs and the unclassics i dont think are better tracks than alot of completely random disco records that arent worth $10. cripes. put your knickers back on our kid. free world innit. check this one out: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4715315924 _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
