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Yes, he will. Cheers CW -- From: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 4:48 PM I hear a rumour that Theo will be playing (again) at Honkytonks on Saturday night: can anyone in Melbourne confirm this? Cheers Chris Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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i forget where the name comes from but it refers to bottom of the sea, which is where you will be residing after you and/and your vessel sink -- From: Date: 17. May.200112:06 Does anybody know any info about Davy Jones Locker ? I know Drexciya´s track with this name and other of System 7 Who is Davy Jones Locker ? Thanks in advance Mario Atienza ___ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i forget where the name comes from but it refers to bottom of the sea, which is where you will be residing after you and/and your vessel sink it's also where you'll be residing if you dare to ask who drexciya is on the 313 list! (gasp!) chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 9/4/01 8:01 AM, Tim Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that people who are good enough will make money. That's all there is to it. Just my two cents... =) Hold on to that two cents man, you seem to value it more than most.
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mmm If a farmer can only grow things and would not know how to sell it what will happen ? Or better if there is only 1 recordcompany that wants to do you work you start your own company if there a many well .. (witch reflects the difference time we are living in now and then) that's every busines with a craft in it ! some say : walk up and smell the koffie shure it's a shame that for instance fast eddie sells pizza's now (i'm not shure about that fact but it would not surprise me) Sorry I couldn't help myself here. Could you ? ha ha I SHOULD Quote Mad Mike about musicians being lazy bla bla bla bla nuff said DJ DMT who also liked the more obscure lil louie and check spelling for Laurent garnier - Live at fuse 2001 And Cyclone I've checked the technasia album witch is sublime you compare alans work to this ? Has he been working out ?? I like his paintings ! Always wondered if the man draw after he heard the music witch was released on djax or the other way around - Original Message - From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tim Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [313] Re: no subject That seems hopelessly naive - sorry. There are a boatload of factors which go into being a success - and another boat in tow when we're talking about the entertainment industry. You have to be living in a bubble with blinders on to imagine that moneymaking is predicated solely upon talent. jeff Tim Johnson wrote: I think that people who are good enough will make money. -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: People have a right to make an income from their art. Privilege, not right. Art, like most other forms of intellectual property, has subjective quality and value. What right does someone have to receive compensation for something of no value? - Craig
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I think this industry - and the public - tends to occasionally assume that creative work has less fiscal value than 'real' work. I see this every day and cop it myself. So think about it. Would you work in your job and forfeit your wage? Here are some industry case scenarios not unlike Napster: (1) Photographers often don't get credited - and I know magazines that freely lift images from other magazines without approval of the photographer, let alone paying them. This is only OK if it's a promo image - in which case the photographer has been paid by a record company/promoter and there is an understanding or arrangement that it can be freely used for media purposes. (2) I know some publishers balk when I ask them about rates - several glossy mags in Australia have a policy of not paying their writers or pay them so little it's not worth it - most freelance writers get paid way, way less than a minimal wage. This is crazy, as the publishers would not consider not paying the accountants, for example, or the printer. There is still labour involved and an outlay. I'm not mercenary, I do a lot of work for free but I need to pay my bills. (3) Same with artists, DJs - esp up and coming or smaller names. The number of even big name artists who never get paid is ridiculous! I am sure Louis is fighting for a principle. It is not a privilege, it's a basic human right. Just because it is a 'creative' form of work does not mean there isn't time and labour involved - so go for it Louis. Also artists/photographers/writers are self-emplyed often - freelance, so they have no emplyer to pay their insurance/superannuation/sick pay/holiday pay/etc. They need an income, right? Sometimes the pay recording artists/photographers/writers get is barely enough to cover the outlay let alone plan a future!! Remember Talking Heads got just a couple of dollars in royalties foir their seminal albums! It was only when Mariah Carey sampled a Tom Tom Club track for Fantasy that at least a couple of members got some money in via publishing to invest in another recording project. The market obviously determines the value - if no one likes it, no one buys it. Simple but why should people have to give their stuff away for free? I am not against Napster but I think the artists should have a say if they don't want their music on there. It's a pity that Metallica were so bullheaded and attacked users but fundamentally I can see the argument. Privilege, not right. Art, like most other forms of intellectual property, has subjective quality and value. What right does someone have to receive compensation for something of no value?
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I know local DJs who get stuff earlier off Napster and play it on CD in lieu of vinyl. Sometimes they get things earlier that way - I mean in Australia it's harder to get stuff, period, but I imagine this isn't unique to us. I have heard of big name DJs e-mailing files to other DJs of their latest recordings, burn it on CD and then play it out - quicker and cheaper than going out getting a vinyl pressing. See, I'm up on this flossy stuff after all. :) Cheers Cyclone i don't understand this... DJ's who will actually BUY those singles will buy it on vinyl. ??? Mike
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mmm I think we're a little bit off here First :the artist that got ript off like talking heads were ** by their own management etc etc records company bla bla and not by there fans !! metallica and the corrs are crying about some bucks, them they can not even proof they are loosing money ! when Alanis Morisette says something about the copyright laws being outdated we're on the right track and Lil Louise .. well has the man done anything besides being a so called dj lately ? and digital encrypting mmm I'll say this : The only way the napster server knows it's a lil louie track is based on the name of the 'file', if I'm correct but then again how would you then find it ;-) same as hyperreal's 'elzem' or something DJ DMT develop research develop research so who is *** who now?won ohw gniggod ohw os - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [313] Re: no subject I think this industry - and the public - tends to occasionally assume that creative work has less fiscal value than 'real' work. I see this every day and cop it myself. So think about it. Would you work in your job and forfeit your wage? Here are some industry case scenarios not unlike Napster: (1) Photographers often don't get credited - and I know magazines that freely lift images from other magazines without approval of the photographer, let alone paying them. This is only OK if it's a promo image - in which case the photographer has been paid by a record company/promoter and there is an understanding or arrangement that it can be freely used for media purposes. (2) I know some publishers balk when I ask them about rates - several glossy mags in Australia have a policy of not paying their writers or pay them so little it's not worth it - most freelance writers get paid way, way less than a minimal wage. This is crazy, as the publishers would not consider not paying the accountants, for example, or the printer. There is still labour involved and an outlay. I'm not mercenary, I do a lot of work for free but I need to pay my bills. (3) Same with artists, DJs - esp up and coming or smaller names. The number of even big name artists who never get paid is ridiculous! I am sure Louis is fighting for a principle. It is not a privilege, it's a basic human right. Just because it is a 'creative' form of work does not mean there isn't time and labour involved - so go for it Louis. Also artists/photographers/writers are self-emplyed often - freelance, so they have no emplyer to pay their insurance/superannuation/sick pay/holiday pay/etc. They need an income, right? Sometimes the pay recording artists/photographers/writers get is barely enough to cover the outlay let alone plan a future!! Remember Talking Heads got just a couple of dollars in royalties foir their seminal albums! It was only when Mariah Carey sampled a Tom Tom Club track for Fantasy that at least a couple of members got some money in via publishing to invest in another recording project. The market obviously determines the value - if no one likes it, no one buys it. Simple but why should people have to give their stuff away for free? I am not against Napster but I think the artists should have a say if they don't want their music on there. It's a pity that Metallica were so bullheaded and attacked users but fundamentally I can see the argument. Privilege, not right. Art, like most other forms of intellectual property, has subjective quality and value. What right does someone have to receive compensation for something of no value? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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mmm I think we're a little bit off here First :the artist that got ript off like talking heads were ** by their own management etc etc records company bla bla and not by there fans !! I never said that !! The whole point of my post was to show how people in this industry - even successful ones - are denied an *income*, not necessarily by whom. It's a glamour industry but not every one is raking it in.
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I think that people who are good enough will make money. That's all there is to it. If they have what it takes and love what they do enough, they can figure out how to earn a living doing just that. We all know that we have to earn a living in this lifetime (atleast most of us do) and figuring out a way to make what doing what you love and earning a living doing it. I know this is probably not having anything to do with what y'all are talking, but those are my thoughts when I hear people discussing napster-type things. People like metallica should quit crying about it. I'm sure they have enough cash as it is. Just my two cents... =)
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I think that people who are good enough will make money. That's all there is to it. If they have what it takes and love what they do enough, they can figure out how to earn a living doing just that. We all know that we have to earn a living in this lifetime (atleast most of us do) and figuring out a way to make what doing what you love and earning a living doing it. Tell that to all the great old Black artists who got ripped off or walked away with nothing. If only it were that easy or simple! Someone made that point the other day about Jimi Hendrix's estate. And in America if you wanna get paid you have to have a lawyer - or team of them - and you have to have good, honest lawyers. And that don't come for free. The music business is very, very shady. I think you can be good and clever and still get ripped off on the regular.
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Tell that to all the great old Black artists who got ripped off or walked away with nothing. If only it were that easy or simple! Someone made that point the other day about Jimi Hendrix's estate. And in America if you wanna get paid you have to have a lawyer - or team of them - and you have to have good, honest lawyers. And that don't come for free. The music business is very, very shady. I think you can be good and clever and still get ripped off on the regular. LOL you think and worry too much friend.
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That seems hopelessly naive - sorry. Thanks alot dude. don't think so much. worry about yourself. if you want to you can waste your time judging me when you should be making tracks... =) peace
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Maybe you should think some. I judged what you said - and maybe you shouldn't have done so on a public list if you don't like the consequences. Should everyone be making tracks? I think not. I'm not worried at all, btw. I'm used to seeing silly banter on email lists. I usually just delete it, but your remarks seemed especially 'young'. I'll go back to deleting. Have a nice day. jeff Tim Johnson wrote: That seems hopelessly naive - sorry. Thanks alot dude. don't think so much. worry about yourself. if you want to you can waste your time judging me when you should be making tracks... =) peace -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
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What's curious about this notion of Early Techno (giving it the proper museum label) being just basically house is that there were really two things going on in 1988-92 in Detroit (OK, *three* things including the MI but there aren't any tapes of that that I know of!). One was a series of commercial remixes by Nu Juan and Kevin and some others that fit in with the club-friendly Big Fun/ Good Life kind of sound. I really love these tracks because the production is good, the tunes are well above average and you have nice touches like Juan's distinctive basslines. And I would hope that these paid pretty well, which was a factor during the time when the majors were trying to assimilate the more innovative stuff. But that was also the period when Detroit techno as we know it now was born, with both the 'first' and 'second wave' producers putting out a wide range of really creative stuff. You have KMS' more abstract/harder ones, the development of what became UR, and so on. All this is on a separate track from the remix material. I think Kevin Saunderson's history during this time is the most interesting because he produced both fantastic house tracks and those seminal dark techno ones. phred
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You're a feminist right? --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh please. I can tell you are really young, right? That less creative statement was really sexist, so expect people to be offended. It's attitudes like this that keep women away. Maybe you should examine your own attitides before catsing aspersiosn on others' creativity. Yeah, this is what I thought, I reckon a lot of girls just can't be bothered. You get woman painters and sculpters etc, they just don't wanna get involved with music so much tho... Controversy is a good tool for getting conversation No offence with that less creative statement... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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--- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have nothing against what Christian does at all - but would non DJs buy his stuff or remember the tracks, they're made for the purpose of being DJ tools. You DJ, so you're in the know. But you ain't gonna get some kid go into a store and go, what's that track that sounds like this or has this I don't mind that Swedish stuff, it has its place. I just think it's run its course - though not in Melbourne clubs!. A lot of DJs who actually play that Swedish stuff say, 'it's time to move on and introduce new elements.' I think this is why suddenly everyone is now calling themselves 'tech-house' as the house thing allows people to introduce new sounds. ya... genres suck... they use it's name and stick to a strict formula... sux, really really does... have you ever tried mixing Morgan Geist stylee things with Swedish stuff... doesn't work most of the time... sometimes tho:) Tech-house sucks tho... the genre but not the music if you get what I'm saying... Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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i agree. i never bought, was offered a swedish recordon another tangent, i think the scottish dude, ivor, who produced the 2nd most famous turntable in the world, [ linn sondek lp12 ] , was originally from sweden..?..out.bond. - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:20 AM Subject: [313] Re: no subject I have nothing against what Christian does at all - but would non DJs buy his stuff or remember the tracks, they're made for the purpose of being DJ tools. You DJ, so you're in the know. But you ain't gonna get some kid go into a store and go, what's that track that sounds like this or has this I don't mind that Swedish stuff, it has its place. I just think it's run its course - though not in Melbourne clubs!. A lot of DJs who actually play that Swedish stuff say, 'it's time to move on and introduce new elements.' I think this is why suddenly everyone is now calling themselves 'tech-house' as the house thing allows people to introduce new sounds. hmmm... if the truth beknown I've got quite a few Christian Smith tunes. I've bought stuff from Tronic and Primate and Mankind before and played it out... Not my thing tho... I prefer Detroit techno, rugged urban style... That's why I joined this list... I think it all depends on the person, I actually liked some of that stuff at the time... I've grown sick of it tho... It's the what ppl think when you say you listen to techno, they think you listen to that stuff. bye, Nick __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
