[313] another causality (pt2)
got an email from the Terrance Parker mailing list (which I've deleted, maybe somebody else could post it?, if its already been posted then SORRY, digest user) Just state's he's giving DJing, lots of personal reason's, which you have to respect. I for one will be very sad to see 'our' TP no longer spinning. jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] another causality (pt 2)
sorry should be: GIVING UP DJing jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality (pt2)
Your saying he's giving UP DJing? Just state's he's giving DJing... DAMN..I hope it's a rumor!! -Original Message- From: Jason Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:04 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] another causality (pt2) got an email from the Terrance Parker mailing list (which I've deleted, maybe somebody else could post it?, if its already been posted then SORRY, digest user) Just state's he's giving DJing, lots of personal reason's, which you have to respect. I for one will be very sad to see 'our' TP no longer spinning. jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
A friend of mine has asked me to join him in doing a night of electroclash stuff - I told him I don't play that but I do play electro (yes there is a difference as far as I'm concerned). Now I've been quite split on the idea - do I play and risk getting lumped into the electroclash sh*t or do I play in hopes of turning some people on to Aux88, the Dexorcist, and abfahrt hinwil? I refuse to bend. MEK Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org st.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] another causality 09/03/02 09:16 AM Cyclone wrote: Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
dont forget anthony rother or volsoc :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] another causality A friend of mine has asked me to join him in doing a night of electroclash stuff - I told him I don't play that but I do play electro (yes there is a difference as far as I'm concerned). Now I've been quite split on the idea - do I play and risk getting lumped into the electroclash sh*t or do I play in hopes of turning some people on to Aux88, the Dexorcist, and abfahrt hinwil? I refuse to bend. MEK Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org st.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] another causality 09/03/02 09:16 AM Cyclone wrote: Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
Well it doesn't but realistically young listeners learn about music through a series of connections. I learnt about Miles Davis, Sly Stone and George Clinton, etc by listening to Prince as a kid and learning about what influenced him. Another generation learns about Marvin Gaye through liking D'Angelo. Purism can hurt music and, from my experiences, the listeners/hardcore fans are usually more elitist than the makers of the music. From: Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] another causality Date: 03/09/2002 20:04:21 To: 'Cyclone Wehner' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org But why should it take this electroclash for people to look at Model 500 , Drexicya etc? Surely anything is better than the same old progressive house and trance. Yeah TECHNO :0) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry, but as a media ho I collected all the big 'overview' stories on Electroclash last year in Seven and Musik and in Australia and all of those covered the history electro, and mentioned Juan, Cybotron and Drexciya. I was talking about general articles, not artist stories, which tend to be more artist-focussed. I have copies if you want to read them. I think it's ridiculous to attack DJ Hell personallyl. He has done his thing for years and he ALWAYS gives it up to others. The only reason for these sudden attacks is that he has (horror!) flirted with the pop world. I am certain that if suddenly Juan had a top 100 hit, and he has the talent to write one, or if Ashanti suddenly covered Model 500's Rain, and why not, it's a cool song, then there would be people on this list and in the 'underground' that would jump up and down all mad. A lot of fans/followers want this music to remain underground, despite their protests otherwise, as it's the cool alternative to the pop stuff they apparently despise! I am not singling out anyone but there is a general 'techno purist type' known world over who articulates these contradictions! Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] another causality
just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
classic phrase re: fake gigolos who sell the asses to the masses. man someone should bring out a tune called that! ha ha -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 09:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
jeeezz..here we go again...it's so easy blaming this gigolo posse on selling out and everything but I haven't seen dj hell or some other gigolo act performing on national TV or Radio..so come on..do I smell some jealousy here? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:48 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
err what radio do you listen too then? cos Ministry of Sound are pushing the Electro Clash theme heavily in the UK as they signed Fisher Price err sorry I mean fisherspooner :) -Original Message- From: Martijn de Blaauw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 09:08 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] another causality jeeezz..here we go again...it's so easy blaming this gigolo posse on selling out and everything but I haven't seen dj hell or some other gigolo act performing on national TV or Radio..so come on..do I smell some jealousy here? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:48 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
Dutch MTV/TMF and radio stations played the hell (:)) out of Tiga's cover of Sunglasses at night to. Fischerspooner is not on Gigolo anymore, they are on MOS now :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:49 Aan: 'Martijn de Blaauw'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality err what radio do you listen too then? cos Ministry of Sound are pushing the Electro Clash theme heavily in the UK as they signed Fisher Price err sorry I mean fisherspooner :) -Original Message- From: Martijn de Blaauw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 09:08 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] another causality jeeezz..here we go again...it's so easy blaming this gigolo posse on selling out and everything but I haven't seen dj hell or some other gigolo act performing on national TV or Radio..so come on..do I smell some jealousy here? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:48 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] another causality
I don't get why some techno purists have this agenda against electroclash, to be honest. Potentially it's introducing electro and even techno to a wider audience and possibly even reinvigorating the scene, I can see that even on a grassroots level from doing club listings, electroclash has an avant garde side. Surely anything is better than the same old progressive house and trance. Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups), whereas trance seems very much Euro. nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sometimes Dutch national radio (most of it sucks by the way), but what I meant that everybody (well not everybody, just the playa´ haters) is picking so easy on Hell and Co. where as I think it's great to see a guy/posse who have been operating in the underground for so long with his electro/techno sounds finally get some reward. I remember hearing Hell around ´93 at big rave over here in Holland and he was playing all this freaky electro stuff besides banging techno an no one understood a thing about it but it was fng cool back then, so calling them a sell-out...nah! -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:49 Aan: 'Martijn de Blaauw'; Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality err what radio do you listen too then? cos Ministry of Sound are pushing the Electro Clash theme heavily in the UK as they signed Fisher Price err sorry I mean fisherspooner :) -Original Message- From: Martijn de Blaauw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 09:08 To: Jongsma, K.J.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] another causality jeeezz..here we go again...it's so easy blaming this gigolo posse on selling out and everything but I haven't seen dj hell or some other gigolo act performing on national TV or Radio..so come on..do I smell some jealousy here? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:48 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
But why should it take this electroclash for people to look at Model 500 , Drexicya etc? Surely anything is better than the same old progressive house and trance. Yeah TECHNO :0) -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 09:52 To: 313 Detroit Subject: [313] another causality I don't get why some techno purists have this agenda against electroclash, to be honest. Potentially it's introducing electro and even techno to a wider audience and possibly even reinvigorating the scene, I can see that even on a grassroots level from doing club listings, electroclash has an avant garde side. Surely anything is better than the same old progressive house and trance. Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups), whereas trance seems very much Euro. nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
harder stuff back. Why can´t they just play detroit techno on the radio and plain electro? 'Cause then people might move on to discover Looped Bangers(tm.) ! fab. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I heard those hard beats on a radioshow and liked it very much.. and in that way (one year later) I discovered detroit techno. Now I am selling all those harder stuff back. Why can´t they just play detroit techno on the radio and plain electro? Mainstream radio needs music that is easy to consume, if you listen to loop-techno it is obvious what to do: dance... nothing more nothing less, no personal things, just easy beats to dance to. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
I noticed this yesterday. Annoying, as I was wanting to download a few of them mixes over at hotmix. I'm ambivalent about their reasons: the resurgence of electro/new wave/italo type stuff is no different to all other music in that most of its rubbish (I mean Italo itself has got a pretty bad quality ratio) and the hotmix/clone/viewlexx stuff tends be the good stuff for me. And although the Electroclash thing can be overblown, people with peaked haircuts are fairly benign. All the media hype doesn't stop anyone from getting on doing their own thing, really. Still, I clearly don't know Hotmix et al's reasons. Maybe they just don't want to be part of the Spectacle, or some such thing. I hope they still make records, though Viewlexx has stopped. just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I find this all very much a shame and a pity. I see the wrong people bashing on each other. It's not Hell's fault this electroclash hype trash thing is happening. It's MoS and the UK media that are to blame. They (MoS) invested a pile of money in Fisherspooner and in order to get their investment working, had their marketing machine working full throttle. And the media swollowed it like candy. Finally they had something juicy to write about, a new hype to create! And guess what, in a year or so they can all write it off as passé again, wow. Ok, maybe Hell likes to pose here and there a bit. But Ferenc has his own little habits too. I sure didn't hear him complaining when Space invaders got chosen record of the year in Germany '99. Besides, you're not telling me they all suddenly stopped making music now... Little PR stunt maybe? This is just not right. Joost -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 3 september 2002 10:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] another causality just noticed http://www.globaldarkness.com/ has shut down nice rant blaming 'electroclash' left. Hmm (taken from globaldarkness.com): --- We dont need the hollow catchphrases, the carefully created eighties retro fad, the empty music, the jaded cynicism or the poser attitude of the fake Gigolos who only sell their asses to the masses. You can all follow your leader into the electroclash HELL! --- just wondering to whom it is addressed :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Besides, you're not telling me they all suddenly stopped making music now... Little PR stunt maybe? They did this before, Ferenc once said he was bored with making acid music (as Beverly Hills 808303) and stopped making it. He came back with these killer electro cuts. I doubt if Ferenc i verry PR aware anyway [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, the sites seem to be working beyond the front pages. I was looking for the I-f mixes, which are still up at http://www.viewlexx.com/mixage.htm and there's stuff inside hotmix.nl still up, too. I noticed this yesterday. Annoying, as I was wanting to download a few of them mixes over at hotmix. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Argghh! The mixes aren't there though, just the links. Actually, the sites seem to be working beyond the front pages. I was looking for the I-f mixes, which are still up at http://www.viewlexx.com/mixage.htm and there's stuff inside hotmix.nl still up, too. I noticed this yesterday. Annoying, as I was wanting to download a few of them mixes over at hotmix. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cyclone wrote: Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Still, I clearly don't know Hotmix et al's reasons. Maybe they just don't want to be part of the Spectacle The main problem IMO is that 'their' sound has been adopted by people with relatively more marketing-skills than musical talent (unfortunately the two rarely go together). This makes the sound go into a direction they're not happy with. That would've been fine in itself (after all, everyone is entitled to their own taste) as long as they're not getting drawn into that. But now everything vaguely related is quickly labeled electroclash, including the people who strongly feel that they don't belong there at all. *That* is the real problem. It is a problem in particular because once this fad is over, the original electro artists will have a much harder time getting their music out there because they'll be dismissed quite easily by the media and punters: 'that sound is so passe, dahlin'... Otto PS This whole situation is nothing new BTW, the same thing happened when the harder Detroit techno sounds of Cybersonik, UR and Mills got mutated into gabba. Other examples are the UK hardcore - drum 'n bass split or when tech-house started to overlap with progressive house (like Circulation getting spun by Sasha and Digweed for instance). PPS Apologies to the LOW-subscribers who saw most of this rant in Dutch yesterday on the Lowlands-list already. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rant on Otto, you ain't lyin'. IMO most of 'our scene' especially the music has become a mostly '2 hype' trend. The beauty of that is, just when 'they' think they have it all figurred and neatly compartmentalized, something truly poetic or original will emerge to challenge. The truly amazing stuff usually arises from the ashes of something else... 2 sense From: Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] another causality Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:39:38 +0200 Still, I clearly don't know Hotmix et al's reasons. Maybe they just don't want to be part of the Spectacle The main problem IMO is that 'their' sound has been adopted by people with relatively more marketing-skills than musical talent (unfortunately the two rarely go together). This makes the sound go into a direction they're not happy with. That would've been fine in itself (after all, everyone is entitled to their own taste) as long as they're not getting drawn into that. But now everything vaguely related is quickly labeled electroclash, including the people who strongly feel that they don't belong there at all. *That* is the real problem. It is a problem in particular because once this fad is over, the original electro artists will have a much harder time getting their music out there because they'll be dismissed quite easily by the media and punters: 'that sound is so passe, dahlin'... Otto PS This whole situation is nothing new BTW, the same thing happened when the harder Detroit techno sounds of Cybersonik, UR and Mills got mutated into gabba. Other examples are the UK hardcore - drum 'n bass split or when tech-house started to overlap with progressive house (like Circulation getting spun by Sasha and Digweed for instance). PPS Apologies to the LOW-subscribers who saw most of this rant in Dutch yesterday on the Lowlands-list already. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Otto, yes you are right. But still they shouldn't blame it all on the wrong people. This scene is already too small to turn it into a I am more underground than you contest. IMHO they should just continue what they like doing best. And if in a few months they are being dismissed as sooo passé then pity for those losers. Joost -Original Message- From: Otto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 3 september 2002 16:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] another causality Still, I clearly don't know Hotmix et al's reasons. Maybe they just don't want to be part of the Spectacle The main problem IMO is that 'their' sound has been adopted by people with relatively more marketing-skills than musical talent (unfortunately the two rarely go together). This makes the sound go into a direction they're not happy with. That would've been fine in itself (after all, everyone is entitled to their own taste) as long as they're not getting drawn into that. But now everything vaguely related is quickly labeled electroclash, including the people who strongly feel that they don't belong there at all. *That* is the real problem. It is a problem in particular because once this fad is over, the original electro artists will have a much harder time getting their music out there because they'll be dismissed quite easily by the media and punters: 'that sound is so passe, dahlin'... Otto PS This whole situation is nothing new BTW, the same thing happened when the harder Detroit techno sounds of Cybersonik, UR and Mills got mutated into gabba. Other examples are the UK hardcore - drum 'n bass split or when tech-house started to overlap with progressive house (like Circulation getting spun by Sasha and Digweed for instance). PPS Apologies to the LOW-subscribers who saw most of this rant in Dutch yesterday on the Lowlands-list already. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the global darkness mixes are still there: http://www.globaldarkness.com/mix/mixes.htm Argghh! The mixes aren't there though, just the links. Actually, the sites seem to be working beyond the front pages. I was looking for the I-f mixes, which are still up at http://www.viewlexx.com/mixage.htm and there's stuff inside hotmix.nl still up, too. I noticed this yesterday. Annoying, as I was wanting to download a few of them mixes over at hotmix. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doh! Maybe i should read all the posts from a certain thread before making a redundant post. Oh well, that's what happens when you don't check your mail regularily. Just to add my .02cents... As long as people are having fun and no one's getting hurt... why not. While some establish artists may despise the whole Electroclash trend. I've personally encountered instances where people have heard about the trend - Checked out the music, and as a result, have discovered the music made by many established electro artists. There's good and bad things to every story i suppose. Cheers! G Gerald wrote: Re: Electro argument Check it: www.viewlexx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
