DEMF vs. Woodstock
(313kids, I sent this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and thought that you guys might be interested to, if you are as bored as I am.) Someone posted eralier about comparing the two events. Here is what I think of the two (let me know if this format fucks up): DEMFWoodstock Attendence: 1.5 million (though this500,000 was the 3 day total, so like if you went 3 days you were counted twice. I believe on the last day alone though, the count was 750,000, so like we know that at least that many DIFFERENT people were there) Location: Heart Plaza: Detroit, MISome farm: Bethel, NY The Crowd:To quote a DPD officer, Hippies. "this crowd is soo cool diffrent: and its the most diverse I have ever seen." (we all remember the old lady getting down to James Brown, and the dude with the jesus sign, that was boppin to the beats) Music:Electronic Music: the MOST Rock, and shitty folk: Not even popular music IN THE WORLD the most popular music in the US (RnB is now #1) as its popularity is RAPIDLY declining in most of the western world (and never really got *that* popular in the rest of the world). Though it was THE music of that generation. # o' artists: 70 32 importance: The first ever large scale Taken from a woodstock site*: event that, celebrates the "True believers call Woodstock worlds most popular musicthe capstone of an era devoted in the city where it all to human advancement. Cynics began. Also the first time say it was a fitting, that the city of Detroit rediculous end to an era of had a large scale cultural naivete. Then there are those event that had blacks, who say it was just a hell of a whites, hispanics, rich, party...For four days, the site poor, homosexual, hetero,became a countercultural mini- suburban, inner city, blue nation in which minds were collar, white collar, etc. open, drugs were all but legal partying TOGETHER (this is and love was 'free.'" a BIG DEAL for Detroit, as well as an odd occurence in the US in general). Drugs:Drugs were there, but open Have you ever heard a Woodstock usage was not very commonstory that wasnt about drugs? (sorry this is turning into a "its all about the music y0!" post) * source: http://www.discoverynet.com/~barnes/wsrprnt1.htm Basically, I think that Woodstock *might* have been the biggest event in the states, though its significance and influence is decrasing at rapid rates. As a HUGE fan of rock (especially Metal) and blues, I can honestly say that in the last few years, Rock And Roll is DYING. The alternative explosion in the early 90s was very cool, as the counterculture of rock resurfaced but recently, pop, rNb, and commercial rap and hip hop have been FAR more commerically sucessful. Electronic dance music, on the other hand, can be heard in just about every somewhat developed country in the world, and is continuing to grow. The significance of a HUGE electronic music event on a global scale is far more significant than a rock equivalent, ESPECIALLY when you factor in the fact that the event was located at the city of the music's birth. (Rock was "born" in cleveland btw.) I'm just ranting now, arent I? Sorry. I am bored at work. -- Christos Michalakis President Hellenic Students Association a: 701 E. Kingsley #3. A^2 MI. 48104 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 734.730.4297 aol im: Zagori98 - "I like deep, dark techno... ...it makes me spunky" -Lissa Pocze --
demf vs. woodstock
i was at woodstock 99. it was a great time until that last day. until then people could pay for the $5.50 hotdog and the $8.50 bbq sandwich. then people started running out of money. then people began to realize that no one had pumped out any of the porta-johns. then people began to realize that no had picked up any trash the entire weekend. then people got pissed. i think all the trouble began with the promoters assumption that kids will pay any amount of money for basic necessities like food and water. it didn't help that korn played the first night, limp bizkit, rage, and metallica played the second night, and red hot chili peppers did a good job of riling up the crowd on the last night. IF ANYTHING LIKE THIS WERE TO HAPPEN AT DEMF I WOULD LOSE ALL FAITH IN WHAT THIS MUSIC IS ABOUT. -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
Listen, I've never seen a party get so out of hand than that edition of Woodstock about, what?, two years ago? Man, what was that all about? If this kinda thing would happen on a dance event like for instance Dance Valley in Holland (60.000 visitors and one of the best in Europe, lots of 'cheese' though) I wouldn't even considering going back. The footage we got to see here about that Woodstock edition seemed totally out of this world. At least for a music event. Don't get started about European soccer madness because that's another story I don't get. Sometimes the wrong people get drawn to phenomena and that... brings us back to Ford. John, getting involved again now he had internet by cable, out From: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org CC: pk what? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) (313kids, I sent this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and thought that you guys might be interested to, if you are as bored as I am.) Someone posted eralier about comparing the two events. Here is what I think of the two (let me know if this format fucks up): DEMFWoodstock Attendence: 1.5 million (though this500,000 was the 3 day total, so like if you went 3 days you were counted twice. I believe on the last day alone though, the count was 750,000, so like we know that at least that many DIFFERENT people were there) Location: Heart Plaza: Detroit, MISome farm: Bethel, NY The Crowd:To quote a DPD officer, Hippies. "this crowd is soo cool diffrent: and its the most diverse I have ever seen." (we all remember the old lady getting down to James Brown, and the dude with the jesus sign, that was boppin to the beats) Music:Electronic Music: the MOST Rock, and shitty folk: Not even popular music IN THE WORLD the most popular music in the US (RnB is now #1) as its popularity is RAPIDLY declining in most of the western world (and never really got *that* popular in the rest of the world). Though it was THE music of that generation. # o' artists: 70 32 importance: The first ever large scale Taken from a woodstock site*: event that, celebrates the "True believers call Woodstock worlds most popular musicthe capstone of an era devoted in the city where it all to human advancement. Cynics began. Also the first time say it was a fitting, that the city of Detroit rediculous end to an era of had a large scale cultural naivete. Then there are those event that had blacks, who say it was just a hell of a whites, hispanics, rich, party...For four days, the site poor, homosexual, hetero,became a countercultural mini- suburban, inner city, blue nation in which minds were collar, white collar, etc. open, drugs were all but legal partying TOGETHER (this is and love was 'free.'" a BIG DEAL for Detroit, as well as an odd occurence in the US in general). Drugs:Drugs were there, but open Have you ever heard a Woodstock usage was not very commonstory that wasnt about drugs? (sorry this is turning into a "its all about the music y0!" post) * source: http://www.discoverynet.com/~barnes/wsrprnt1.htm Basically, I think that Woodstock *might* have been the biggest event in the states, though its significance and influence is decrasing at rapid rates. As a HUGE fan of rock (especially Metal) and blues, I can honestly say that in the last few years, Rock And Roll is DYING. The alternative explosion in the early 90s was very cool, as the counterculture of rock resurfaced but recently, pop, rNb, and commercial rap and hip hop have been FAR more commerically sucessful. Electronic dance music, on the other hand, can be heard in just about every somewhat developed country in the world, and is continuing to grow. The significance of a HUGE electronic music event on a global scale is far more significant than a rock equivalent,
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
it was chaos, but damn would i have liked to be there when they broke open the atm machines! From: "John Osselaer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:05:53 +0200 Listen, I've never seen a party get so out of hand than that edition of Woodstock about, what?, two years ago? Man, what was that all about? If this kinda thing would happen on a dance event like for instance Dance Valley in Holland (60.000 visitors and one of the best in Europe, lots of 'cheese' though) I wouldn't even considering going back. The footage we got to see here about that Woodstock edition seemed totally out of this world. At least for a music event. Don't get started about European soccer madness because that's another story I don't get. Sometimes the wrong people get drawn to phenomena and that... brings us back to Ford. John, getting involved again now he had internet by cable, out From: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org CC: pk what? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) (313kids, I sent this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and thought that you guys might be interested to, if you are as bored as I am.) Someone posted eralier about comparing the two events. Here is what I think of the two (let me know if this format fucks up): DEMFWoodstock Attendence: 1.5 million (though this500,000 was the 3 day total, so like if you went 3 days you were counted twice. I believe on the last day alone though, the count was 750,000, so like we know that at least that many DIFFERENT people were there) Location: Heart Plaza: Detroit, MISome farm: Bethel, NY The Crowd:To quote a DPD officer, Hippies. "this crowd is soo cool diffrent: and its the most diverse I have ever seen." (we all remember the old lady getting down to James Brown, and the dude with the jesus sign, that was boppin to the beats) Music:Electronic Music: the MOST Rock, and shitty folk: Not even popular music IN THE WORLD the most popular music in the US (RnB is now #1) as its popularity is RAPIDLY declining in most of the western world (and never really got *that* popular in the rest of the world). Though it was THE music of that generation. # o' artists: 70 32 importance: The first ever large scale Taken from a woodstock site*: event that, celebrates the "True believers call Woodstock worlds most popular musicthe capstone of an era devoted in the city where it all to human advancement. Cynics began. Also the first time say it was a fitting, that the city of Detroit rediculous end to an era of had a large scale cultural naivete. Then there are those event that had blacks, who say it was just a hell of a whites, hispanics, rich, party...For four days, the site poor, homosexual, hetero,became a countercultural mini- suburban, inner city, blue nation in which minds were collar, white collar, etc. open, drugs were all but legal partying TOGETHER (this is and love was 'free.'" a BIG DEAL for Detroit, as well as an odd occurence in the US in general). Drugs:Drugs were there, but open Have you ever heard a Woodstock usage was not very commonstory that wasnt about drugs? (sorry this is turning into a "its all about the music y0!" post) * source: http://www.discoverynet.com/~barnes/wsrprnt1.htm Basically, I think that Woodstock *might* have been the biggest event in the states, though its significance and influence is decrasing at rapid rates. As a HUGE fan of rock (especially Metal) and blues, I can honestly say that in the last few years, Rock And Roll is DYING. The alternative explosion in the early 90s was very cool, as the counterculture of rock resurfaced but recently, pop, rNb, and commercial rap and hip hop have been F
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
Woodstock was about people being fed up with getting ripped off (and also a good dose of stupidity on their own part). They were in a very hot environment with little to no shelter, food and water - I heard and read - was rather expensive, and other crap like that. I can't explain the attacks on women though... that's the stupidity part. MEK From: "dan ito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:35:16 - it was chaos, but damn would i have liked to be there when they broke open the atm machines! From: "John Osselaer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:05:53 +0200 Listen, I've never seen a party get so out of hand than that edition of Woodstock about, what?, two years ago? Man, what was that all about? If this kinda thing would happen on a dance event like for instance Dance Valley in Holland (60.000 visitors and one of the best in Europe, lots of 'cheese' though) I wouldn't even considering going back. The footage we got to see here about that Woodstock edition seemed totally out of this world. At least for a music event. Don't get started about European soccer madness because that's another story I don't get. Sometimes the wrong people get drawn to phenomena and that... brings us back to Ford. John, getting involved again now he had internet by cable, out From: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org CC: pk what? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) (313kids, I sent this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and thought that you guys might be interested to, if you are as bored as I am.) Someone posted eralier about comparing the two events. Here is what I think of the two (let me know if this format fucks up): DEMFWoodstock Attendence: 1.5 million (though this500,000 was the 3 day total, so like if you went 3 days you were counted twice. I believe on the last day alone though, the count was 750,000, so like we know that at least that many DIFFERENT people were there) Location: Heart Plaza: Detroit, MISome farm: Bethel, NY The Crowd:To quote a DPD officer, Hippies. "this crowd is soo cool diffrent: and its the most diverse I have ever seen." (we all remember the old lady getting down to James Brown, and the dude with the jesus sign, that was boppin to the beats) Music: Electronic Music: the MOST Rock, and shitty folk: Not even popular music IN THE WORLD the most popular music in the US (RnB is now #1) as its popularity is RAPIDLY declining in most of the western world (and never really got *that* popular in the rest of the world). Though it was THE music of that generation. # o' artists: 70 32 importance: The first ever large scale Taken from a woodstock site*: event that, celebrates the "True believers call Woodstock worlds most popular musicthe capstone of an era devoted in the city where it all to human advancement. Cynics began. Also the first time say it was a fitting, that the city of Detroit rediculous end to an era of had a large scale cultural naivete. Then there are those event that had blacks, who say it was just a hell of a whites, hispanics, rich, party...For four days, the site poor, homosexual, hetero,became a countercultural mini- suburban, inner city, blue nation in which minds were collar, white collar, etc. open, drugs were all but legal partying TOGETHER (this is and love was 'free.'" a BIG DEAL for Detroit, as well as an odd occurence in the US in general). Drugs:Drugs were there, but open Have you ever heard a Woodstock usage was not very commonstory that wasnt about drugs? (sorry this is turning into a "its all about the music
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
Woodstock was a much more important event in the history of music than DEMF, though. Woodstock marked the time when the hippies established themselves as a force. Nobody cared about Country Joe or Jimi Hendrix before that. Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. Electronic music has already been exploited and torn apart by business around the world, but Woodstock still had a purity to it. I'm not saying that DEMF was not important, but it's presumptuous to say things like electronic music is the most popular music in the world while rock is dead (especially given that in the context of Woodstock, rock was anything but dead). Also, electronic music still isn't the most popular form of music in the world unless you're going to try to include R&B and Hip Hop in electronic music. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
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> Electronic music has already been exploited and torn apart by business > around the world, but Woodstock still had a purity to it. Amen adam, They will hopefuly go down in musical history as being special for very different reasons. The DEMF was a unique chance for a genre to get noticed by mainstream america on its own terms. > I'm not saying that DEMF was not important, but it's presumptuous to > say things like electronic music is the most popular music in the > world while rock is dead (especially given that in the context of > Woodstock, rock was anything but dead). > Also, electronic music still isn't the most popular form of music in the > world unless you're going to try to include R&B and Hip Hop in > electronic music. It's also pretty damn presumptous to say that rock is dead now. People who say rock is dead are oblivous or ignorant to good rock, in my opinion. Just like if you say all hip hop is commercialized, you're oblivious to what a lot of people are doing.
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> Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they > were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. actually i heard they were hoping for about 30,000 to 60,000 people last year, however i can't confirm this. but, i think that the reason why the demf was so amazing last year is that vastly exceeded everyone's expectations in terms of turnout and entertainment value. l<
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
Woodstock marked the time when the hippies established themselves as a force. Nobody cared about Country Joe or Jimi Hendrix before that. Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. actually it was at the monterrey pop festival in 1967 where hendrix set his guitar on fire and then smashed it where he and many of the other emerging "Psychedelic" artists gained a wider audience, janis joplin, greatful dead etc...the oddball out at the monterrey pop fest and IMHO best performer, otis redding and booker t and the mg's. Electronic music has already been exploited and torn apart by business around the world, but Woodstock still had a purity to it. might be, but woodstock ushered in the era of huge outdoor festivals and arena rock and eventually prog-rock...music became big business in the 70's...in other words woodstock was the beginning and end of an era. Also, electronic music still isn't the most popular form of music in the world unless you're going to try to include R&B and Hip Hop in electronic music. R&B and Rap are the two biggest forms of music by sales volumes anyhow, at least in this country...sad. just my two cents GM _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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[Greg Malcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > might be, but woodstock ushered in the era of huge outdoor festivals and > arena rock and eventually prog-rock...music became big business in the > 70's...in other words woodstock was the beginning and end of an era. While I don't totally agree with this, I see what you're saying... I can definitely see DEMF leading to the same thing, too. If the whole Area One thing and DEMF pan out for Ford, I won't be surprised if other companies pick this up as well... > R&B and Rap are the two biggest forms of music by sales volumes anyhow, at > least in this country...sad. I don't really see why this is sad. R&B and Hip Hop are the two most innovative forms of pop music right now by far. Producers like Timbaland and the Neptunes have found that perfect balance where they can get as weird as they want while still maintaining their pop sensibilities (rock critic euphemism for "selling out"). I think the main point of my original e-mail that a lot of people missed was that Woodstock was a spontaneous thing. The promoters weren't ready for nearly that many people and the whole thing got completely overrun. The gates were crashed and the hippies just kind of took over. Also, a lot of the people on here seem to think we're talking about one of those Woodstocks from the 90's... Those were wack. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
atomly wrote: > Woodstock marked the time when the hippies established themselves as a > force. Nobody cared about Country Joe or Jimi Hendrix before that. Yes, but did anybody in the music establishment really care about techno before last year? They might've cared about the usual suspects that we all love to hate on this list, but not about the artists that were on last year's DEMF lineup. > Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they > were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. They were not anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. 100,000 was the maximum figure I heard in the weeks before DEMF. Don't forget that until 1-2 months beforehand, there was still quite a bit of uncertainty as to whether or not it would go ahead at all and with what lineup. Serious promotion was pretty much nonexistent until a few weeks before the event. Weather was expected to be crap too (one highlight of the festival: the sun breaking through the clouds just seconds after Mike Grant dropped Blaze's "Wishing You Were Here". I love synchronicity). When we told people that we flew in from the Netherlands, the standard reaction was that we must be crazy to fly halfway across the world for a festival that the majority of locals didn't even know about, let alone care about. So when the first day it became the success that it was, it was so completely unexpected that that feeling/atmosphere made the next days an even bigger success. Woodstock of course had much larger social and cultural implications than DEMF, but in terms of what it meant for the music itself and its (broad) acceptance, they're both defining moments in American musical history. Otto
Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
On Wed, 2 May 2001, atomly wrote: > Woodstock was a much more important event in the history of music than > DEMF, though. > > Woodstock marked the time when the hippies established themselves as a > force. Nobody cared about Country Joe or Jimi Hendrix before that. > Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they > were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. > You know most of you weren't alive for the first Woodstock. When the festival was happening, it made the national news, but it's not like it captured everyone's imagination. The real buzz on it came with the record and the movie, after which people began mythologizing it all out of proportion. If you took a poll right now that asked everyone over 45 if they were at Woodstock, probably 3 million of them would say they were. It's turned into a creation myth for counterculture, when really it was a half million white college kids behaving badly. Not unlike spring break in Miami Beach, only with more mud. This happened in 1969, after all -- hippies were well established. In fact, by 69, the hippy scene had really peaked. Comparing DEMF to woodstock is silly; for one thing, ain't no way we'll have near enough mud. Or LSD. DEMF was cool last year. A whole lot more people will be there this year, so we'll see. It's more about the music and the 100 or so internet friends who will be there for me -- in other words, a Netmeet with beats.
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If anything was to happen at the DEMF it would have no affect on my Faith in the music as when I go home and put on Galaxy to Galaxy it's going to do the same thing to me that it always did. Move Me and Deprogram me. This music is not about the DEMF. The DEMF is about this music. Remember that Dave Samuel Hobbs wrote: >i was at woodstock 99. it was a great time until > that last day. until then people could pay for the > $5.50 hotdog and the $8.50 bbq sandwich. then people > started running out of money. then people began to > realize that no one had pumped out any of the > porta-johns. then people began to realize that no had > picked up any trash the entire weekend. then people > got pissed. i think all the trouble began with the > promoters assumption that kids will pay any amount of > money for basic necessities like food and water. it > didn't help that korn played the first night, limp > bizkit, rage, and metallica played the second night, > and red hot chili peppers did a good job of riling up > the crowd on the last night. >IF ANYTHING LIKE THIS WERE TO HAPPEN AT DEMF I > WOULD LOSE ALL FAITH IN WHAT THIS MUSIC IS ABOUT. > -sam > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
