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- Original Message - From: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? Actually, I think there is lots of great German techno. Kanzleramt, Kurbel (especially Heiko Laux's Soul Dancer EP is excellent Detroit style), i220, Disko B and International DJ Gigolo, Elektrolux, Electric Kingdom, Fieber, Monoid, Ware, Stir 13, Playhouse... there's loads of great German techno. Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here (in Mpls.) plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? Yes! Kurbel. I decided to pay a visit to the website http://www.kurbel.com to see if that long-overdue Richard Bartz was coming out soon, and this is the answer I received: After half a decade without use of his pseudonym Acid Scout, 2001 will see a new Acid Scout release on Kurbel. And even Acid Scout will be reinvented - stay tuned... I thought the Holographic EP resurected the Acid Scout moniker? But that's inconsequential. This is very exciting. The new Acid Scout will be Kurbel 020, followed by their third comp 021. Woohoo!!! Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - My music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] German techno that fits 313?
Going a little off topic here, but I'd like an answer to this question as well...I moved to Boston last year and have been able to pick up plenty of great techno (313 and otherwise) in the Satellite and Other Music outlets. But snowhere eems to play it. With the exception of one or two house nights (and one techno night in a small Irish bar), it seems to be all about trance in Boston clubs. Where do the people that buy all the techno play? Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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-- From: Fred Giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:00:50 -0400 To: Graeme ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? That's why Stewart Walker and I think Boston is such a great place to live ; P If you want to be a producer and never get paid to perform what we do all over the world then Boston is THE place to be. Give up on hearing anything decent out and stay @ home and create something. Telepathic regards, The Kooky Scientist on 4/4/01 9:34 PM, Graeme ~ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going a little off topic here, but I'd like an answer to this question as well...I moved to Boston last year and have been able to pick up plenty of great techno (313 and otherwise) in the Satellite and Other Music outlets. But snowhere eems to play it. With the exception of one or two house nights (and one techno night in a small Irish bar), it seems to be all about trance in Boston clubs. Where do the people that buy all the techno play? Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? MEK
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-- From: Fred Giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:40:57 -0400 To: steve teeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] FW: [313] German techno that fits 313? Sorry, but I'm not being paid enough to change my set to do any requests... ; P After all the DEMF is not a wedding reception and I am not a wedding DJ. Modifying my live set one iota would require much too much work on my part. Telepathic regards, The Kinky Scientist Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations: April 13th - Live on TV, Electric Circus on Much Music /Toronto/Canada http://www.muchmusic.com/electriccircus/ April 14th - Machina 2/Toronto/Canada http://www.wabi.org/news/current/index.html# May 25th - Detroit Electronic Music Fest http://www.electronicmusicfest.com/lineup/index.html -- TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA 02180-0010 FX 978-741-8901 [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 4/4/01 11:12 PM, steve teeri at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i may put in a request for the demf. peaking, china would treat me well, unless that is being save for kranky scientist live set. steve --- Fred Giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: Fred Giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:00:50 -0400 To: Graeme ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? That's why Stewart Walker and I think Boston is such a great place to live ; P If you want to be a producer and never get paid to perform what we do all over the world then Boston is THE place to be. Give up on hearing anything decent out and stay @ home and create something. Telepathic regards, The Kooky Scientist on 4/4/01 9:34 PM, Graeme ~ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going a little off topic here, but I'd like an answer to this question as well...I moved to Boston last year and have been able to pick up plenty of great techno (313 and otherwise) in the Satellite and Other Music outlets. But snowhere eems to play it. With the exception of one or two house nights (and one techno night in a small Irish bar), it seems to be all about trance in Boston clubs. Where do the people that buy all the techno play? Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? MEK
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Arne: I feel that a nice mix of melodic and harder driving tracks is interesting and preferable on the dansefloor. At home, when I put on an album, usually i'll go for a more melodic one (ex.-heiko laux:sensefiction, plaid:trainer). Not that I think that all of 313 released albums fit the term melodic. for example, some of Black nation's latest releases (jay denham's madman pt 2, gayle san) seem more closely musically linked to the harder german loop-based releases than some of the more soulful D tunes. not that i mind. again, i like both. Some of the melodic change in this music is very subtle, not like some of the freestyle-feeling keyboards on UR's codebreaker. (south operations:faces remixes, joel mull:imagination, doublex:dbl-lp on kanzlerampt, archtype:myths rituals, mark broom, oliver ho, marco carola, kid 606---some albums and people that come to mind that combine the best of both worlds imo). rorschach From: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:09:05 - Actually, I think there is lots of great German techno. Kanzleramt, Kurbel (especially Heiko Laux's Soul Dancer EP is excellent Detroit style), i220, Disko B and International DJ Gigolo, Elektrolux, Electric Kingdom, Fieber, Monoid, Ware, Stir 13, Playhouse... there's loads of great German techno. Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here (in Mpls.) plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:22:48 +0200 Hello guys! Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. Most of the people on the list are not living in Germany i think and so i would find it interesting to hear some opinions from outside. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz in Germany. There are only a few people from Germany that make really melodic and 313 related music. We are not talking about Basic Channel or Maurizio of course How do you think about german techno? Am i the only one that thinks that it is crap? Arne Weinberg Propaganda Rec./Groundzero Rec. °°° - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
German techno that fits 313?
Hello guys! Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. Most of the people on the list are not living in Germany i think and so i would find it interesting to hear some opinions from outside. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz in Germany. There are only a few people from Germany that make really melodic and 313 related music. We are not talking about Basic Channel or Maurizio of course How do you think about german techno? Am i the only one that thinks that it is crap? Arne Weinberg Propaganda Rec./Groundzero Rec. °°°
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Arne.Weinberg: Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz For certain people (like me) the german sound was really important in the early 90's to mid 90's. What records/labels you mean by Schranz? I would think there are people that really HATE the Cologne minimalism sound. Cologne's acid sound is a whole different story... For me the germans kept the original attitude of the early Chicago (and later Detroit with Tresor etc.) sound and production values better than, say, the folks in England. And you can't really deny that when you're talking about electronic music in general, Germany is in a class of it's own. -Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Schranz refers to artists such as Chris Liebing, Andreas Kremer, and the like. The really hard, minimal, techno, that is usually abhorred by the list. Chris Liebing even has a series of 7 called (the) Real Schranz. Personally, I think that type of techno is a necessary evil in a good techno set. I rather enjoy the stuff of that caliber. Most will disagree with me. Cheers! Dennis From: jim proffit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:33:57 Arne.Weinberg: Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz For certain people (like me) the german sound was really important in the early 90's to mid 90's. What records/labels you mean by Schranz? I would think there are people that really HATE the Cologne minimalism sound. Cologne's acid sound is a whole different story... For me the germans kept the original attitude of the early Chicago (and later Detroit with Tresor etc.) sound and production values better than, say, the folks in England. And you can't really deny that when you're talking about electronic music in general, Germany is in a class of it's own. -Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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I like to produce those types of tracks. Check them out at www.mp3.com/wraith313 I've never heard it called schranz. I just call it Detroit Hardcore. Check it out and tell me what you think? Thanks... Wraith313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real. Don't let the real keep you!- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't been there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in Australia HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out of my chair. A night of German electronic music (aka techno) would kill a night of any other kind of regional music, including Detroit. Just look at the quality of output coming from lables like: Tresor Ladomat BPitch Control Shitkatapult Kompakt Perlon Force Inc Mille Plateaux Playhouse Kanzleramp Poker Flats DiscoB and on ... and on ... and on ... In fact I bet that a strong argument can be made that Detroit has lost the spotlight for innovative new music which now is sourced from Germany. Of course on a per capita basis Detroit of one million people still kicks Germany's 80 million people's ass. Oh and it should be noted that these labels are constantly releasing music and pushing the boudaries, not just relying on tired old formulas and the strength of their back catalogue. Tosh
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I think the original question was aimed at a particular form of German techno, referred to as schranz. Along the lines of Liebing, Kremer, and the same type of stuff that was released by Beyer, Lekebusch, Mull, C Smith. Cheers! From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:00:22 +0200 It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't been there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in Australia HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out of my chair. A night of German electronic music (aka techno) would kill a night of any other kind of regional music, including Detroit. Just look at the quality of output coming from lables like: Tresor Ladomat BPitch Control Shitkatapult Kompakt Perlon Force Inc Mille Plateaux Playhouse Kanzleramp Poker Flats DiscoB and on ... and on ... and on ... In fact I bet that a strong argument can be made that Detroit has lost the spotlight for innovative new music which now is sourced from Germany. Of course on a per capita basis Detroit of one million people still kicks Germany's 80 million people's ass. Oh and it should be noted that these labels are constantly releasing music and pushing the boudaries, not just relying on tired old formulas and the strength of their back catalogue. Tosh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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the word schranz describes hard, monotone, loop-based 4/4 techno. it was initially created by chris liebing and has now become a trendy word. the problem i have with this is that most people here in germany who think they're techno label everything they hear that is forward moving as schranz. in some areas you even have people running around with big eyes and screaming this horrible word all night long. it disparages the music somehow... peter - Original Message - From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [313] Re: German techno that fits 313? : I think the original question was aimed at a particular form of German : techno, referred to as schranz. Along the lines of Liebing, Kremer, and : the same type of stuff that was released by Beyer, Lekebusch, Mull, C Smith. : : Cheers! : : : : From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: [313] Re: German techno that fits 313? : Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:00:22 +0200 : : : It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't : been : there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in : Australia : : : HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out : of my chair. : : A night of German electronic music (aka techno) would kill a night of : any other kind of regional music, including Detroit. : : Just look at the quality of output coming from lables like: : Tresor : Ladomat : BPitch Control : Shitkatapult : Kompakt : Perlon : Force Inc : Mille Plateaux : Playhouse : Kanzleramp : Poker Flats : DiscoB : and on ... : and on ... : and on ... : : In fact I bet that a strong argument can be made that Detroit has lost : the spotlight for innovative new music which now is sourced from : Germany. Of course on a per capita basis Detroit of one million people : still kicks Germany's 80 million people's ass. : : Oh and it should be noted that these labels are constantly releasing : music and pushing the boudaries, not just relying on tired old formulas : and the strength of their back catalogue. : : Tosh : : - : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : _ : Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com : : : - : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Re: [313] German techno that fits 313?
Actually, I think there is lots of great German techno. Kanzleramt, Kurbel (especially Heiko Laux's Soul Dancer EP is excellent Detroit style), i220, Disko B and International DJ Gigolo, Elektrolux, Electric Kingdom, Fieber, Monoid, Ware, Stir 13, Playhouse... there's loads of great German techno. Why is it that living in the states I can find it on record but nobody here (in Mpls.) plays it or Detroit techno in the clubs? MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:22:48 +0200 Hello guys! Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. Most of the people on the list are not living in Germany i think and so i would find it interesting to hear some opinions from outside. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz in Germany. There are only a few people from Germany that make really melodic and 313 related music. We are not talking about Basic Channel or Maurizio of course How do you think about german techno? Am i the only one that thinks that it is crap? Arne Weinberg Propaganda Rec./Groundzero Rec. °°° - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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I saw DJ Hell here in NYC at Limelight on Saturday and Guernica on Monday. Both of those sets were AMAZING. I've heard all of the stories about how good of a DJ he is, and a usual, I took it with a grain of salt. He definitely won me over with the variety of his sets. He, obviously played a lot of German records, granted, a lot of late 80's/early 90's stuff that was really good. The way he dances while playing reminds me a lot of the way Heather Hart bops around while playing. Definitely loves doing what he does. Crass generalizations of German techno is a bit harsh, especially when there is crap everywhere, not just Germany. Peace Alex |+--- || Cyclone Wehner | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || il.com.au | || | || 04/04/01 02:47 AM| || | |+--- -| | | | To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? | -| You could take that one step further and ask about the differences between East Germany and West Germany which is something that interests me (Ethnic Slavic with family in Dresden). I hear that the (West) German clubbers dress up a lot. The best German DJ I have seen and heard is DJ Hell - he is one of my favourites, diverse, funky. I really like his label a lot. Most of the German guys regularly come out to Australia - Thomas Schumacher is due Easter. It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't been there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in Australia and he seems not so well known os. Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. Most of the people on the list are not living in Germany i think and so i would find it interesting to hear some opinions from outside. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz in Germany. There are only a few people from Germany that make really melodic and 313 related music. We are not talking about Basic Channel or Maurizio of course How do you think about german techno? Am i the only one that thinks that it is crap? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out of my chair. I stand by it - maybe you mis-read plateau-ed. Force Inc has been around for a while. I think Germany has continued to produce quality interesting stuff but I don't hear anyone doing anything incredibly new - even on Tresor. What's wrong with that?
