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I picked up a flier in Detroit in 1999 where the Kooky Scientist was to be performing a Live PA at a party. A week later Fred Giannelli posted here that he would not be performing in Detroit at that time, no matter what had been read locally. I don't remember if he had a falling out with the promoter or if they just used his name, but I do remember that the flier was out more than a month before the party...so i lean toward the latter. Jeff --- Matt Chester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do people actually do this? I've never encountered > any specific > incident of a promoter here putting someone's name > on a flyer just to > pull in numbers without actually booking them, but > people I speak to in > the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common > practice there then? > > There are several booking agents out there booking > him > > And tons of promoters who like to drop names on > flyers > > To make a profit. > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Matt Chester wrote: Also, 9 out of 10 promoters of this kind of music are putting on parties these days for the love of it rather than any financial gain.Even if you did lie and put Juan or whoever on your flyer, chances are the place would still be half empty ;-) Last couple of times we've played festies Juan has been there and played good shows but I know he's missed a couple of shows in the UK this year, which is a real shame, I hope he can turn it around and it's looks like Mad Mike is in his corner now - which is a good thing I reckon. m
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Also, 9 out of 10 promoters of this kind of music are putting on parties these days for the love of it rather than any financial gain. Even if you did lie and put Juan or whoever on your flyer, chances are the place would still be half empty ;-) Martin Dust wrote: I think Matt's correct, this very rarely happens in the UK these days, it's such a small world that word would get around so fast your rep would be over within two months. m Matt Chester wrote: Do people actually do this? I've never encountered any specific incident of a promoter here putting someone's name on a flyer just to pull in numbers without actually booking them, but people I speak to in the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common practice there then? There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit.
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I think Matt's correct, this very rarely happens in the UK these days, it's such a small world that word would get around so fast your rep would be over within two months. m Matt Chester wrote: Do people actually do this? I've never encountered any specific incident of a promoter here putting someone's name on a flyer just to pull in numbers without actually booking them, but people I speak to in the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common practice there then? There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit.
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I'm not privvy to all the ins and outs and what have yous of the various scenes, but I have heard this from enough people that there's no way they're all just making it up. I also had a friend who this happened to, not exactly a parallel to Juan but just letting you know, yes it definitely does happen. Promoters can be sketchy sometimes. Could be miscommunication, genuine delusion, or any other number of honest mistakes... but yeah I'm sure some cases are just maliciousness/looking for a quick buck. Most of the sketchier promoters don't last forever. Eventually people will catch on and stop supporting them. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Matt Chester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do people actually do this? I've never encountered any specific > incident of a promoter here putting someone's name on a flyer just to > pull in numbers without actually booking them, but people I speak to in > the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common practice there then?
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When I saw UR in Brighton, (south England) doing a similar show they played Numbers but Skurge mixed it in and Mike played some extra keys over the top and this could explain why Frequency 7 sounded very similar to the original. Sorry to hear lots of peeps didn't enjoy it as every time Ive seen it Ive really enjoyed it... P -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 March 2008 10:43 To: Steward, Tim; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Bloc: Atkins & Interstellar Fugutives -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:28 PM To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Bloc I'm a bit late on this but in the defense of Juan I thought I would chime in Juan shows up for shows when he is booked properly. (I have not had any no-show issues) There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit. And no offense to anyone but Ferndale / Madison Heights etc.. That is not Detroit that's the burbs Tim / Planet Detroit * Re. Bloc: there might well be some sheepish non-admissions from some who were in attendance (including me) who missed Mr Atkins due to needing to catch up on their sleep ... I'm admitting nothing and suggesting nothing but I did distinctly hear that he showed up for his spot and it turned out quite well. I wonder if anyone has news about his other bookings (inc. with Model 500) over the Easter holiday in Europe ... ? In other news, Interstellar Fugutives AKA, DJ Skurge, Mike Banks, Ray Seven (and very very sorry, I forget who the lead vocalist was ... although he was effective in my view) were good, imo, although many people I spoke to found their gig disappointing. It seemed that this was not due to any sloppiness, poor sound, content let-downs or anything, more I think that for some, the performance lacked 'oomph'. It's possible that the crew were a bit tired because by the time they played on the Friday night before last, they had already done a few nights that week. One person who spoke to Mike Banks suggested that they'd not slept (much?) for a few days in fact! Personally I enjoyed their set although I'd agree that the playing could have been a little punchier. Many faves (at least of mine) old and new were there, Afrogermanic, Geiger Counter, The Electrocutor, Moor Horsemen On Bolaris, Negative Evolution etc. For me the highlight was the jaw-dropping surprise inclusion of 'Frequency 7' - which somehow the group had engineered to be a very close cover, reverb, compression, chords and all - and then added some extra sass. The serious appreciation from about 10 people who recognized it must been bemused to the the other 3-400 who didn't. I stick by what I said afterwards that this particular line-up has potential to provide some more unequivocally excellent performances in the months and years to come. Ken The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:04 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Bloc I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my impressions from the outside. It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health and has been turning up regularly for his shows. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him > walking > directly behind me. Nice. > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > ;-) > > MEK > >
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I got very bored very quickly - all that shouting on the mike about Detroit - yeah we know where you're from and that you don't like war or poverty, now shut up, get on the synths and play Final Frontier Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 March 2008 10:43 To: Steward, Tim; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Bloc: Atkins & Interstellar Fugutives -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:28 PM To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Bloc I'm a bit late on this but in the defense of Juan I thought I would chime in Juan shows up for shows when he is booked properly. (I have not had any no-show issues) There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit. And no offense to anyone but Ferndale / Madison Heights etc.. That is not Detroit that's the burbs Tim / Planet Detroit * Re. Bloc: there might well be some sheepish non-admissions from some who were in attendance (including me) who missed Mr Atkins due to needing to catch up on their sleep ... I'm admitting nothing and suggesting nothing but I did distinctly hear that he showed up for his spot and it turned out quite well. I wonder if anyone has news about his other bookings (inc. with Model 500) over the Easter holiday in Europe ... ? In other news, Interstellar Fugutives AKA, DJ Skurge, Mike Banks, Ray Seven (and very very sorry, I forget who the lead vocalist was ... although he was effective in my view) were good, imo, although many people I spoke to found their gig disappointing. It seemed that this was not due to any sloppiness, poor sound, content let-downs or anything, more I think that for some, the performance lacked 'oomph'. It's possible that the crew were a bit tired because by the time they played on the Friday night before last, they had already done a few nights that week. One person who spoke to Mike Banks suggested that they'd not slept (much?) for a few days in fact! Personally I enjoyed their set although I'd agree that the playing could have been a little punchier. Many faves (at least of mine) old and new were there, Afrogermanic, Geiger Counter, The Electrocutor, Moor Horsemen On Bolaris, Negative Evolution etc. For me the highlight was the jaw-dropping surprise inclusion of 'Frequency 7' - which somehow the group had engineered to be a very close cover, reverb, compression, chords and all - and then added some extra sass. The serious appreciation from about 10 people who recognized it must been bemused to the the other 3-400 who didn't. I stick by what I said afterwards that this particular line-up has potential to provide some more unequivocally excellent performances in the months and years to come. Ken The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:04 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Bloc I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my impressions from the outside. It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health and has been turning up regularly for his shows. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him > walking > directly behind me. Nice. > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > ;-) > > MEK &
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-Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:28 PM To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Bloc I'm a bit late on this but in the defense of Juan I thought I would chime in Juan shows up for shows when he is booked properly. (I have not had any no-show issues) There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit. And no offense to anyone but Ferndale / Madison Heights etc.. That is not Detroit that's the burbs Tim / Planet Detroit * Re. Bloc: there might well be some sheepish non-admissions from some who were in attendance (including me) who missed Mr Atkins due to needing to catch up on their sleep ... I'm admitting nothing and suggesting nothing but I did distinctly hear that he showed up for his spot and it turned out quite well. I wonder if anyone has news about his other bookings (inc. with Model 500) over the Easter holiday in Europe ... ? In other news, Interstellar Fugutives AKA, DJ Skurge, Mike Banks, Ray Seven (and very very sorry, I forget who the lead vocalist was ... although he was effective in my view) were good, imo, although many people I spoke to found their gig disappointing. It seemed that this was not due to any sloppiness, poor sound, content let-downs or anything, more I think that for some, the performance lacked 'oomph'. It's possible that the crew were a bit tired because by the time they played on the Friday night before last, they had already done a few nights that week. One person who spoke to Mike Banks suggested that they'd not slept (much?) for a few days in fact! Personally I enjoyed their set although I'd agree that the playing could have been a little punchier. Many faves (at least of mine) old and new were there, Afrogermanic, Geiger Counter, The Electrocutor, Moor Horsemen On Bolaris, Negative Evolution etc. For me the highlight was the jaw-dropping surprise inclusion of 'Frequency 7' - which somehow the group had engineered to be a very close cover, reverb, compression, chords and all - and then added some extra sass. The serious appreciation from about 10 people who recognized it must been bemused to the the other 3-400 who didn't. I stick by what I said afterwards that this particular line-up has potential to provide some more unequivocally excellent performances in the months and years to come. Ken The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:04 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Bloc I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my impressions from the outside. It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health and has been turning up regularly for his shows. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him > walking > directly behind me. Nice. > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > ;-) > > MEK > >
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Do people actually do this? I've never encountered any specific incident of a promoter here putting someone's name on a flyer just to pull in numbers without actually booking them, but people I speak to in the US talk about it quite a bit. Is it common practice there then? There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit.
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I'm a bit late on this but in the defense of Juan I thought I would chime in Juan shows up for shows when he is booked properly. (I have not had any no-show issues) There are several booking agents out there booking him And tons of promoters who like to drop names on flyers To make a profit. And no offense to anyone but Ferndale / Madison Heights etc.. That is not Detroit that's the burbs Tim / Planet Detroit The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:04 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Bloc I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my impressions from the outside. It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health and has been turning up regularly for his shows. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him > walking > directly behind me. Nice. > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > ;-) > > MEK > >
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I wouldn't say he's turning up regularly... at least not yet... in the past 6 months I know of 3 he's not shown for and 1 of those was here in Detroit for a night Minx was throwing... it was a shame really, no show no call even... I felt bad for Minx... she was pretty embarrassed... I'm glad to hear he's shown up to some of his more recent gigs though. Also happy to hear he's looking healthier. Last I heard he was having a hard time with Diabetes. It was second hand information though, so it may be wrong. JoD On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he > was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a > few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... > > One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back > when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a > few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know > who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a > founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic > status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. > > There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's > this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some > people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and > enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family > and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third > category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my > impressions from the outside. > > It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health > and has been turning up regularly for his shows. > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him walking > > > directly behind me. Nice. > > > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > > ;-) > > > > MEK > > > > >
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I don't know the origin of some of Juan's no shows. I do know that he was having some major health problems, and looked unhealthily skinny a few years back when I saw him walking around at the festival... One thing about him, that Terrence Parker said to me a few years back when I asked about Juan. Terrence said that it's one thing to make a few records and show up to DJ at parties and have a few people know who you are. It's quite another to be in the position of being a founding artist in a whole new genre, whose early work attained mythic status in the scene. He thought Juan felt that pressure keenly. There's the man Juan who is showing up to play a show, and there's this giant mythical beast following him around like a shadow. Some people -- i.e. Derrick -- can surf the wave of their reputation and enjoy the ride. Others like Kevin Saunderson, are grounded in family and church, and let the crazy stuff slide. Juan is in a third category. Don't know those guys, can't speak for them, just my impressions from the outside. It is extremely good news to me that he appears to be in better health and has been turning up regularly for his shows. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"yeah right, like Juan > > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him walking > > directly behind me. Nice. > > look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party > ;-) > > MEK > >
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>"yeah right, like Juan > Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him walking > directly behind me. Nice. look who is being uninvited from Juan's next birthday party ;-) MEK
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On 19 Mar 2008, at 10:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we got there it very much felt like the "morning after" but yeah, totally - we arrived at 8pm-ish on friday and everyone was totally mashed already. musically I enjoyed the weekend, Not really heard a bad report and it's a great weekender if you've got the staying power. but it was a bit strange with so many fscked up people, It was like something off The League Of Gentlemen, some people couldn't get door handles to work :) the cold damp misty fog, and i felt there could have been more thought put into smaller details. BlocTV was cool, but the printed schedule and design all seemed kinda cheap. Perhaps but they got just about everything else right so I didn't really care. m
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> -Original Message- > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 March 2008 10:41 > To: 313 List > Subject: (313) Bloc > > When we got there it very much felt like the "morning after" > but from the pictures I've seen people did manage to rave for > 3 days. I've never seen so many broken people in one place before :) > > Really enjoyed Scorn and Bitstream before having one too many > sambuca's and watching Karl Bartos sing badly. Yeah it was carnage. Had a brilliant time. Really enjoyed Legowelt, Convextion, Monolake and the Bleep 43 live sets, although from the moment I booked up I knew it would be much more about having a stupid weekend with friends than the music, despite the wicked line-up. But that's what I wanted and that's what I got. Robert Henke was so animated behind his Monodeck II I couldn't believe it. Properly jacking himself about back there. Also, having him in the middle of that massive floor was a nice touch. Convextion played a few new tracks that sounded really tasty, including a new Basic Channely thing that was ridiculous. His whole set was dope though. All the jams. I seem to be in the very slim minority of those who enjoyed Bartos. That vocoder dude with the long hair was simultaneously priceless and impossible to watch. I actually obscured him from view for part of the set. Oh, and to refute Greg's claim about surreality involving Juan Atkins at European music festivals, I can relay one anecdote. I was walking between stages with some friends when Juan Atkins was about to go on and someone asked if we should check him out, to which I replied, "yeah right, like Juan Atkins is going to show up", only to turn around and see him walking directly behind me. Nice. It's also worth noting how brilliantly this festival is run. Totally professional work. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Remember the days in the old school yard, we used to laugh a lot (ha ha ah ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:41 AM To: 313 List Subject: (313) Bloc When we got there it very much felt like the "morning after" but from the pictures I've seen people did manage to rave for 3 days. I've never seen so many broken people in one place before :) Really enjoyed Scorn and Bitstream before having one too many sambuca's and watching Karl Bartos sing badly. m No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM
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> When we got there it very much felt like the "morning after" but yeah, totally - we arrived at 8pm-ish on friday and everyone was totally mashed already. musically I enjoyed the weekend, but it was a bit strange with so many fscked up people, the cold damp misty fog, and i felt there could have been more thought put into smaller details. BlocTV was cool, but the printed schedule and design all seemed kinda cheap. Think my highlights were Monolake and Juan Atkins.
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Wow... > Red Snapper (Reformed) - LIVE > LA Synthesis - 1st LIVE show in 10 years worth it just for these two alone MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/17/2007 06:44:43 AM: > Booked. For those who don't remember, reports of last year's first > Bloc were fairly immense. > > http://www.blocweekend.com > > Tristan > === > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.phonopsia.co.uk > >
