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I couldn't help overreading this thread. :) I'm a music producer and my project, which is called Two divided by zero, is somewhat about this electro-house thread. It mixes up electro, techno and a lot of 80's electronic pop stuff. I sincerely would like to know what you guys would think about it. If you care to listen and comment here is the url: http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/background/background.htm thanks in advance e sorry for the inconvenience, 2/0 T W O D I V I D E D B Y Z E R O Nothing is wasted, only reproduced http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's a different issue again. I admit I have this problem too. And some stores here have no order at all. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 1:57 AM Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organized in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? No, I don't but on the other hand I don't want to look through micro categories for different types of records and I'm sure record store clerks don't want to have to start figuring out if something is Death Disco Electro-House Micro-House or House-music-influenced-by-three-or-four-songs-that-might-have-been-played-a t-Zanziba r-on-the-28th-of-October. MEK
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You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 5:12 AM I wonder what's worse? A music journalist who spent 2 seconds trying to describe how a certain type of music sounds ...or a list full of people spending days trying to examine the meaning of said offensive categorization? On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, David Gillies wrote: I've heard that term to describe stuff on Paper Recordings as well Sean Creen wrote: As far as I remember, that term was first used by Simon Reynolds to describe the Berlin sound, but then everything seems to revolve around drugs as far as that excuse for a journalist is concerned... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house'
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don't know where you guys have been but we've known this genre as elicso for the last 6 minutes... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2003 1:59 p.m. To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond.
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This is the only decent use of labels IMHO ... On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 09:59 PM, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores
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I don't think I can pronounce that. ;) -- From: Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:24 PM don't know where you guys have been but we've known this genre as elicso for the last 6 minutes... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2003 1:59 p.m. To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond.
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I think it's just a more succinct way of saying 'house music with electro' influence'. Labels are useful as tools - eg in rec stores - but I think the underground takes them more seriously. It doesn't change the way they sound. Metro Area rock. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 1:41 AM I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is, but I have a hard time dissecting it taxonomically because any time I hear a mix represented to me as hard house I rarely last more than 5 minutes before I run screaming. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Alex Bates wrote: mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :)
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:34:55 -0500, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: . The 2 coming together is bliss, especially for people who like both techno AND disco, but you rarely get to hear that sound together on more than a handful of good records. Interestingly enough, there's been no mention of Daniel Wang. Of course there's his releases on Environ which undoubtedly gave a little influence to Morgan and Darshan, but his releases on Balihu.. .whoa! -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
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well said!! its not strictly electro or house. it is kind of housey stuff that sounds electro influenced. i dont understand why people are getting so upset over this! ab -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:16 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I think it's just a more succinct way of saying 'house music with electro' influence'. Labels are useful as tools - eg in rec stores - but I think the underground takes them more seriously. It doesn't change the way they sound. Metro Area rock. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 1:41 AM I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is, but I have a hard time dissecting it taxonomically because any time I hear a mix represented to me as hard house I rarely last more than 5 minutes before I run screaming. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Alex Bates wrote: mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
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Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organized in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? No, I don't but on the other hand I don't want to look through micro categories for different types of records and I'm sure record store clerks don't want to have to start figuring out if something is Death Disco Electro-House Micro-House or House-music-influenced-by-three-or-four-songs-that-might-have-been-played-at-Zanzibar-on-the-28th-of-October. MEK
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MVE in Berwick Street London has a ridiciulous amount of microgenres - the best being electroclash, which was temporarily renamed Mullet Disco! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:57 PM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organized in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? No, I don't but on the other hand I don't want to look through micro categories for different types of records and I'm sure record store clerks don't want to have to start figuring out if something is Death Disco Electro-House Micro-House or House-music-influenced-by-three-or-four-songs-that-might-have-been-played-at-Zanzibar-on-the-28th-of-October. MEK # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I've heard that term to describe stuff on Paper Recordings as well Sean Creen wrote: As far as I remember, that term was first used by Simon Reynolds to describe the Berlin sound, but then everything seems to revolve around drugs as far as that excuse for a journalist is concerned... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house'
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if heroin is that good, i'm gone... i have read that he is likened to the microhouse group. i suppose more for the structure of his layers rather than the sound he uses?! Private and Confidential Any views or opinions expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views or opinions of Westpac Banking Corporation ABN 33 007 457 141 (Westpac). Any unauthorised form of reproduction of this message is prohibited. Westpac does not guarantee the security of any information electronically transmitted. Westpac does not accept responsibility for any improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication, nor for any delay in its receipt. Please note that Westpac reserves the right, in its absolute discretion, to refuse to act upon any instruction, order or direction received via the internet (internet instruction) or, pending further enquiry, to defer acting upon any internet instruction.
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a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. this i agree with, but there's ALWAYS been that lame, watered down crap that gets filed under house, maybe you're just noticing/hearing it more or in the shops Ken ? There's probably more house labels than techno, (hard to imagine but... ha ha). House has broader appeal and also more commericalized trends than techno (a broad generalization, but one I think it for the MOST part true..). Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Sorry Ken I gotta take issue with this offhand comment... THey didn't 'contriubute' to it, they created their own sound! They made something original out of older inspirations and spawned an army of immitators... some intersting but most IMHO weak by comparison, or not different enough from M.A. to hold my interest. I also find Metro Area anything BUT uneccentric! So the first time you heard them could you really say that? All the varied roots you can hear in their tracks, i think the combo of all those sounds is truly eccentric, as eccentric as the weirdo 'lost tracks' they play if you've ever heard them DJ out. When they dropped these Metro Area 12s one at a time there was nothing else quite like it (new) on the dance music market... w/ live instruments combined with deep funky electronics yet didn't sound noodle-y and silly, nothing that was made in the last decade anyway. It's just sewn up so tight... Now it's taken a couple of hard-fought years of their sound honing and now that they have found some exposure and a 'sound' all their own, people will label it a trend, which is too bad, Metro area was so eccentric people has difficulty categorizing it, which is often a good sign IMHO. Just as a point of comparison: Jeff Mills got blamed when he did this around the time he clicked solidly into 'that Purposemaker' sound for awhile, and series of first 3 to 5 12-inches on that sublabel and then everyone complained that techno was all going into 'that purposemaker sound'. OK, but the one think I don't think is fair to do is BLAME the innovator (in this case Mills) for all the purposemaker copycats! Some producers made careers as making purposemaker 'cover tracks', ha ha.. sad but true. It's one thing to be inspired, it's another (and a fine line in techno to be sure) to make copycats. If you don't like the tight production values that you can hear in MA (not raw enough) all I can say is Morgan's productions have *always* had that sharpness and precision, even on his old Metamorphic and Environ and Clear records, when it was more techno than house. His production values have been consistently high throughout, and his ear for melody as well I think few have it quite like that. There is plenty of raw house stuff out there too, it's just that (in my experience) there's not a lot of it that shows the same kind of quality you hear with Metro Area. I am of course a huge fan of chicago jackin' trax, love em!!! but for me there's not a lot of raw or really unique house coming out (of chicago right now anyway) that was the way it used to be. New generations of producers aren't as constrained as the founders were, and you get a lot of stuff made on computers and not a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation house producers are selling their iMacs for RZ-1's, etc. ;) Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I do share your desire for uniqueness too, but i don't feel like house needs to be underproduced or 'rough' to have it. Not as a sole trait anyway. on the previous points (many others commented on too): About the whole 'electro house' genre, I think as most silly over-labeled genre names go, (microhouse? techhouse? hardhouse? househouse???) they are coined by journalists who need to sell in headline in the here today, err wait, i've got a different career tomorrow world of dance music journalism. (save for a few of the quality writers, Tom Magic Feet, Mr. Sicko and a handful of others who have been into the music longer than flavor or magazine of the month ;) herion house is the stupidest yet... can we please let that die, it was a silly term by a bad writer and the music has connections to heroin except in the writers own veins. I thought it was buried years ago. If you're trying to categorize Theo Parrish: yes it's difficult and that's why it's so good. I know it's natural to want to label things when communicating verbally (in an email list for example) but putting a big magnifying glass over every artist and trend is a sure way to burn
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Kent Williams: House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4)... Seems right to me: no other house with a (distinct) breakbeat (e.g.) comes to mind right now (although I know I've heard such quite often) except: Sona Me Areru Ec Sancitu (Nite Grooves) - which despite it's lush live-recorded arrangement has got a vocalist with a seriously effed up voice and the melody of a banshee wail. Nice! :o) Can I use e a clip of my Tue post pls?: I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. When I got home, my copy of Jesse Saunders' 'On On' (1983?!?) had arrived (which I'd never heard before, but it came extremely highly recommended). I rest my case! k -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:42 PM To: 313 list Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is, but I have a hard time dissecting it taxonomically because any time I hear a mix represented to me as hard house I rarely last more than 5 minutes before I run screaming. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Alex Bates wrote: mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :)
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Thx Matthew for your fulsome response! :o) However, pls re-read my original post before saying I don't like Metro Area. As you in fact pointed out yourself, I said: 'I've liked everything of theirs I've heard'! I like this thread though - is this really the 313 list? ;-)
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Sorry to w***k on abt this ;-) bt 1 more e.g. of the rough / or old type of thing I'm favouring right now: 'Psychadelic Shack' Trybe (House Mix) (Wild Pitch, 1988) k
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Odeluga, Ken wrote on Wed, 30 Apr 2003 about following: i thought i'd reply to this thread earlier but.. well, i answer now. 'I've liked everything of theirs I've heard'! i've never liked metro area. too clean, to polished up, nothing interesting. doesn't have the raw energy or sweet emotion i like in house music. overproduced i think is the correct word here. no. i think calculated' is even better. or boring. but thats just my opinion. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect.
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OK. Now say something positive! Some examples of what you like eould be nice! k -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:23 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Odeluga, Ken wrote on Wed, 30 Apr 2003 about following: i thought i'd reply to this thread earlier but.. well, i answer now. 'I've liked everything of theirs I've heard'! i've never liked metro area. too clean, to polished up, nothing interesting. doesn't have the raw energy or sweet emotion i like in house music. overproduced i think is the correct word here. no. i think calculated' is even better. or boring. but thats just my opinion. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect.
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Odeluga, Ken wrote on Wed, 30 Apr 2003 about following: OK. Now say something positive! Some examples of what you like eould be nice! let's see.. :) 4 biggest house tunes for at the moment are probably these (not quite new, though) jask feat. jocie - beautiful on soulfuric deep. very beautiful track that is actually just one break (rest is garbage), but, well, i only play the break! glenn underground - jaz love #2 on guidance. i had completely forgotten that i owned this genius piece of deep jazzy groove; i just recently found it from my shelf. ubp feat. bobby pruit - we are one on soulfuric. this very energetic summer house groove with bad-*ss bassline action and nice lyrics. best mixes are definitely ubp classic mix and jazz'n'groove hands in the air dub. classic disco-house. (and it's not that cheesy as it sounds like :) the believers - who dares to believe in me on strictly rhythm local recordshop had these a while ago, this is a record i had been looking for years. nice clubby, a bit uplifting housetrack. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect.
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- Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) If you don't like the tight production values that you can hear in MA (not raw enough) all I can say is Morgan's productions have *always* had that sharpness and precision, even on his old Metamorphic and Environ and Clear records, when it was more techno than house. His production values have been consistently high throughout, and his ear for melody as well I think few have it quite like that. Ken, I was thinking this too. His solo stuff is definitely a lot grittier in a Curtin/P.O.F.F. kinda way (or at least that's akin to one of his many voices). There is plenty of raw house stuff out there too, it's just that (in my experience) there's not a lot of it that shows the same kind of quality you hear with Metro Area. I am of course a huge fan of chicago jackin' trax, love em!!! but for me there's not a lot of raw or really unique house coming out (of chicago right now anyway) that was the way it used to be. New generations of producers aren't as constrained as the founders were, and you get a lot of stuff made on computers and not a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation house producers are selling their iMacs for RZ-1's, etc. ;) People have been claiming this'll be the next big revival for a while now though. I haven't seen much evidence of that, but It does seem logical, as these things go. Have either of you dirty-house boys heard the Chicken Lips Trax Dub of Headman's 'It Rough'? Sounds circa '86, released '02. I've heard Gene Farris and Joakim drop it at high volume so far. Both times it sounded s big (but dirty, errr rough ;). Ken, if you want something really dirty (like so poorly recorded it's hard to mix), track down the Pepe Bradock remix of the Gotan Project (seems to be very hard to find already though). It's got a mid-range acid line and an almost non-kick, so it's basically all-mids. If it isn't dirty enough for ya, I don't know what would be. Or maybe the accordian will throw you off. ;) In general, I don't see how you could go wrong with Monsieur Peepz. His remix of Incognito even says something like recorded in a noisy Parisian apartment (although ironically, that's probably the cleanest thing he's done)... Gotta say I'm not really seeing a cleanliness trend in house myself, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what is menat by 'clean' and 'polite'??? I would argue overall production value has been steadily climbing forever, but I don't see that as the same thing, or bad. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree that Metro Area really put together a unique sound, but definitely not without precedence and influences. To my ears they seem to have picked up on Disco, esp the later records that were coming out when Disco was falling out of favor with the masses. People like Chic and Patrice Rushen are obvious percursors. What made it sound so fresh to my ears is that they don't sample other records. It's their own music, and they have a subtle, sneaky way of building up a track that stays away from big room rah rah buildups. On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Matthew MacQueen wrote: Sorry Ken I gotta take issue with this offhand comment... THey didn't 'contriubute' to it, they created their own sound! They made something original out of older inspirations and spawned an army of immitators...
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I agree that Metro Area really put together a unique sound, but definitely not without precedence and influences. oh yes totally agree... you can also hear plenty of 313 in it, in the realm of cybotron / kraftwerk / YMO influences, especially in the first MA 12-inch... then coming in from the other side you have a Prelude / D-Train / Moroder kind of synthetic disco. The 2 coming together is bliss, especially for people who like both techno AND disco, but you rarely get to hear that sound together on more than a handful of good records. peace, Matt MacQueen
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I wonder what's worse? A music journalist who spent 2 seconds trying to describe how a certain type of music sounds ...or a list full of people spending days trying to examine the meaning of said offensive categorization? On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, David Gillies wrote: I've heard that term to describe stuff on Paper Recordings as well Sean Creen wrote: As far as I remember, that term was first used by Simon Reynolds to describe the Berlin sound, but then everything seems to revolve around drugs as far as that excuse for a journalist is concerned... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house'
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You know what! I'm glad you called it that! I just met my brother's mate again last week for the first time in months and last time I saw him was at this last 'proper' gig I played last year. And he said: Really like that set. I love eletro house! (I thanked him but was secretly going: 'What? What's electro house?') I was later told that the whole Metro Area, Brennan Green, Daniel Wang, etc, etc genre (quite recent init?) is called by some electro house. Listening back to a few archetypal cuts in that so-called genre, I can see the connection I think. And I also discovered that a lot of it mixes perfectly (in tempo and even in type of sounds) with very early electro like 'Clear' Man Parrish stuff, 'Wicki wicki' etc. So - a new genre is born! . or not. k -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: Alex Bates; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ its taking over here in rome as well; it seems to be the choice alternative to progressive house that the mullet-sporting elektroklash kids are grooving to fab - Original Message - From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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oh i didnt know it was an official genre, i just thought it is house that sounds a bit electro :) ab -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:00 PM To: Fabrizio Nahum; Alex Bates; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You know what! I'm glad you called it that! I just met my brother's mate again last week for the first time in months and last time I saw him was at this last 'proper' gig I played last year. And he said: Really like that set. I love eletro house! (I thanked him but was secretly going: 'What? What's electro house?') I was later told that the whole Metro Area, Brennan Green, Daniel Wang, etc, etc genre (quite recent init?) is called by some electro house. Listening back to a few archetypal cuts in that so-called genre, I can see the connection I think. And I also discovered that a lot of it mixes perfectly (in tempo and even in type of sounds) with very early electro like 'Clear' Man Parrish stuff, 'Wicki wicki' etc. So - a new genre is born! . or not. k -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: Alex Bates; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ its taking over here in rome as well; it seems to be the choice alternative to progressive house that the mullet-sporting elektroklash kids are grooving to fab - Original Message - From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
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I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
Yeah that too! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:23 PM To: Odeluga, Ken; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
Nah, Dad House is deep house. The 'correct' term for electro-house is 'Death Disco' or 'Disco Punk'. Pay attention, people! :-) Cheers! TOM I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house' Quoting Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nah, Dad House is deep house. The 'correct' term for electro-house is 'Death Disco' or 'Disco Punk'. Pay attention, people! :-) Cheers! TOM I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate ___ __ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. - --- Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
As far as I remember, that term was first used by Simon Reynolds to describe the Berlin sound, but then everything seems to revolve around drugs as far as that excuse for a journalist is concerned... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house' Quoting Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nah, Dad House is deep house. The 'correct' term for electro-house is 'Death Disco' or 'Disco Punk'. Pay attention, people! :-) Cheers! TOM I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate ___ __ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. - --- Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
And Trip House... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house' Quoting Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nah, Dad House is deep house. The 'correct' term for electro-house is 'Death Disco' or 'Disco Punk'. Pay attention, people! :-) Cheers! TOM I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate ___ __ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. - --- Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
Opps missed the : ) But some jorno is bound to come up with it sooner or later... -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 16:03 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house' Quoting Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nah, Dad House is deep house. The 'correct' term for electro-house is 'Death Disco' or 'Disco Punk'. Pay attention, people! :-) Cheers! TOM I thought it was called dad house! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Semi-seriously though: a lot of house music does seem (to me) to be gettting a bit too polite of late. Even though I have enjoyed virtually everything I've heard from Geist and Jesrani et al, I do think that they have contributed rather a lot to a trend of too clean, rather tame and 'uneccentric' house. Which is why I've somewhat gone back to much older material which displays a roughness simply because that was all that was possible at the time (I'm talking pre-1990) from the technology available.. Also, what new stuff I buy has to have some sort of edge. I'm a bit mad, so is the world, so is everyone I know! I appreciate slightly flaky house too. I tend to plump for a lot of European stuff, some minimalist things, Cologne/Vienna/Berlin sort of things, Brinkmann, even some Gigolo (but choose that carefully!): e.g. That Punishment EP thing by David Carretta from 02 (I think) is still very very spine tingling ... I saw Morgan Geist's remix of the House of Jealous Lovers track, by the DFA, a white, avant-rock sort of New York(?) group - a much rougher work than one would normally associate with that Geist - as partial vindication of my burgeoning thoughts (which are all natch, mho.) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) It's called 'Mansion' round these parts. See - 'posh house' - geddit. Got any Mansion mate ___ __ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. - --- Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
Electro house??? What the f*ck? Damn Mixmag, Muzik, and DJ magazine for starting these stupid labels. They really are bored at those rags aren't they. It's Disco! Put it next to Kraftwerk and then put it next to any West End record and tell me which it sounds closer to Tempo alone doesn't make for a genre - aahhh screw it. MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alex Bates ones.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: 04/29/03 08:29 AMSubject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You know what! I'm glad you called it that! I just met my brother's mate again last week for the first time in months and last time I saw him was at this last 'proper' gig I played last year. And he said: Really like that set. I love eletro house! (I thanked him but was secretly going: 'What? What's electro house?') I was later told that the whole Metro Area, Brennan Green, Daniel Wang, etc, etc genre (quite recent init?) is called by some electro house. Listening back to a few archetypal cuts in that so-called genre, I can see the connection I think. And I also discovered that a lot of it mixes perfectly (in tempo and even in type of sounds) with very early electro like 'Clear' Man Parrish stuff, 'Wicki wicki' etc. So - a new genre is born! . or not. k -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: Alex Bates; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ its taking over here in rome as well; it seems to be the choice alternative to progressive house that the mullet-sporting elektroklash kids are grooving to fab - Original Message - From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :) ab -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:39 AM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org; Alex Bates; Fabrizio Nahum Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Electro house??? What the f*ck? Damn Mixmag, Muzik, and DJ magazine for starting these stupid labels. They really are bored at those rags aren't they. It's Disco! Put it next to Kraftwerk and then put it next to any West End record and tell me which it sounds closer to Tempo alone doesn't make for a genre - aahhh screw it. MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alex Bates ones.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: 04/29/03 08:29 AMSubject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You know what! I'm glad you called it that! I just met my brother's mate again last week for the first time in months and last time I saw him was at this last 'proper' gig I played last year. And he said: Really like that set. I love eletro house! (I thanked him but was secretly going: 'What? What's electro house?') I was later told that the whole Metro Area, Brennan Green, Daniel Wang, etc, etc genre (quite recent init?) is called by some electro house. Listening back to a few archetypal cuts in that so-called genre, I can see the connection I think. And I also discovered that a lot of it mixes perfectly (in tempo and even in type of sounds) with very early electro like 'Clear' Man Parrish stuff, 'Wicki wicki' etc. So - a new genre is born! . or not. k -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:03 PM To: Alex Bates; 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ its taking over here in rome as well; it seems to be the choice alternative to progressive house that the mullet-sporting elektroklash kids are grooving to fab - Original Message - From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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29/4/03 3:41 PM Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is Crap mate... :) Martin Dust
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Speaking of 'electro house' (or techno as the case may be), the new Isolee thing called 'It's about' is class no matter what you file it under. One track has that sort of stop-start RB thing going on...great stuff it is. ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's Disco! Put it next to Kraftwerk and then put it next to any West End record and tell me which it sounds closer to Tempo alone doesn't make for a genre - sounds very close to italo disco to me. especially some metro area and the new bangkok impact lp. tom andythepooh.com
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I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? (A mess) That's a very accurate observation and I agree with it. I think it's called 'electro-house' because there are more synthetic sounds and vocoders but then does that mean that Cher is 'electro-house'? Really, I don't mean to keep on about it but anyone who insists on calling it 'electro-house' should listen to music coming from places like the Loft and Paradise Garage. check this: http://www.family-house.net/metro_area_environ.html METRO AREA Morgan Geist INTERVIEW Environ Q: U use analog instruments + strings, guitar, flute, and percussion ... Who and what are your influences? MG: Disco, boogie, techno, soul, hip-hop, new wave, you name it. Big personal dance music influences are Patrick Adams, early Detroit techno, early 80s Emergency records, Salsoul, West End, Supertronics, Larry Heard, lots of NYC club/loft/Garage tracks, old Chicago and NY house, etc. Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. True, drawing lines is bad but I feel that calling it 'electro-house' is either ignoring or distancing the sound from its origin in NY gay clubs. This is an ongoing thing in the US where disco is misrepresented by the media as this John Travolta, Studio 54 thing. I'm not saying that MG doesn't listen to electro music and yes there was a lot of cross-over eventually between electro and disco but it all fell under the banner of disco. Just trying to keep the flag flying MEK
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Let's leave Cher and her surgically altered kabuki-mask of a face out of this please and thank you. It should be pointed out that a lot of early Chicago house have a very synthetic, Kraftwerk-y sound... I don't have any of those records, I just know I've heard some great tunes in that vein that were pre-1990 house tracks. If people are coming back around to that sound, and they do it well, more power to 'em. Seems like Green Velvet has always kept that up. In fact he's the only Chicago dude I hear who still makes those looptweak analog tracks and gets away with it. On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very accurate observation and I agree with it. I think it's called 'electro-house' because there are more synthetic sounds and vocoders but then does that mean that Cher is 'electro-house'? Really, I don't mean to keep on about it but anyone who insists on calling it 'electro-house' should listen to music coming from places like the Loft and Paradise Garage.
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has anyone actually been to the Garage or the Loft, i grew up in those venues and still don't understand how anyone who has not experience it would be able to comment. Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/29/03 12:31PM Let's leave Cher and her surgically altered kabuki-mask of a face out of this please and thank you. It should be pointed out that a lot of early Chicago house have a very synthetic, Kraftwerk-y sound... I don't have any of those records, I just know I've heard some great tunes in that vein that were pre-1990 house tracks. If people are coming back around to that sound, and they do it well, more power to 'em. Seems like Green Velvet has always kept that up. In fact he's the only Chicago dude I hear who still makes those looptweak analog tracks and gets away with it. On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very accurate observation and I agree with it. I think it's called 'electro-house' because there are more synthetic sounds and vocoders but then does that mean that Cher is 'electro-house'? Really, I don't mean to keep on about it but anyone who insists on calling it 'electro-house' should listen to music coming from places like the Loft and Paradise Garage.
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If you spent a lot of time at the Garage and the Loft, and would care to comment, I am definitely all ears... I wouldn't even begin to comment on them. On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Robert Troutman wrote: has anyone actually been to the Garage or the Loft, i grew up in those venues and still don't understand how anyone who has not experience it would be able to comment.
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It should be pointed out that a lot of early Chicago house have a very synthetic, Kraftwerk-y sound... I don't have any of those records, I just know I've heard some great tunes in that vein that were pre-1990 house tracks. yeah i've been listening to a lot of pre-90 chicago house recently and it's easy to forget how much 808 use there was thenmore proof that another microgenre like electro-house is a little unnecessary. robin...
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An utterly nonsensical thread.. Metro Area is House music. Very good at that. More at home in a pile of West end and Salsoul than anything else... Electro house Placid -- http://www.acid-house.net Everything you wanted to know about acid house w.t.f
