Re: (313) my morning mischief
sorry for the non-timely reply, finally got time to get back to this thread On Dec 6, 2005, at 2:52 PM, /0 wrote: not dancing isn't a fault. if someone pays the same money you did to get into an event which focuses on AUDIO, is your night really diminished because that person doesnt want to dance? do you require that sporting event attendees cheer and scream throughout the game/match? i figured that would stir up some kind of response. Of course it's a combo. You are coming from a 100% me centric view of the party, not a we centric view (which i realize is basically extinct in this country, but it wasn't always that way). I think the difference is in the things you list, it's a clear performer (rockstar) audience (adoring spectators) relationship. in a soccer game, people can't run from the stands onto the field and participate, whether they cheer or not. If you regard a DJ like an arena rockstar, where you just watch them rock out, standing in place - then you're reinforcing that the crowd are just along for the ride, instead of being active particpants in a special event that THEY HELP CREATE how the event feels. A reason, in fact, to attend at all, other than the person on stage. LIke when underground parties were ALTERNATIVES to mainstream nightclubs and rock concerts (where there is typically a more brutal caste system, you had to pay more, dress codes, velvet ropes, etc.) where in contrast underground discos and raves were more about inclusion and participation in making the night, not just spectators who paid to gawk at one person. now of course some events are more tuned to participation than others, i was just making a statement that i think the what do you bring to the party element is dying/dead, unfortunately. at a music-based that plays music specifically designed to make people dance (or think, but STILL it's physical-driven music, played in physically-driven way), there was a time when the crowd WAS the party. The DJ didn't make the party, they just provided the soundtrack. I went to early hawtin parties in detroit / eastern market where he and other DJs would play behind a screen. This was more rare but it happened. But the people controlled the vibe, the fun, the reason you went. It was about what can I add , not what can I get. THis is getting more about party dymanics, (and away from a more 313 topic) but in the not-too-distant-past, the whole temporary autonomous zone that older parties had that made them more special that just typical nightclub live PAs. I'm talking about an underground thing here. A dark room and a feeling and all that good stuff. if the music sucks but everyone else is dancing, are you happy? well, probably moreso than if the music sucked and everyone just stood around with mouth agape. but of course music is the reason people want to dance, so it's hard to have one without the other. not picking on anyone in particular, but people complaining that xy and z wasnt dancing seems ridiculous to me. and thousands of people standing around watching one of the best Djs in the world play dance music for people to dance to seems ridiculous to me. guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one if it ruins your night, you're too damn sensitive i'm probably too damn sensitive in general ;) but i never said it ruined anyone's night. i just think parties are more fun with the participants who understand they are an active role in making the event as fun as much (or more than) the performer who is there to provide a sonic backdrop to their fun. giving the party to the people, not the person on stage, who is just one of a thousand other party participants. music appreciation is ultimately an individual choice, people will do what comes to them - watch or sleep or jack their body. I just prefer more active participants than you that help create something more special than what amounts to watching a DVD. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
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There will always be the stander-arounders, but since it's DANCE music, you should at least TRY from time to time. I'm 48, fat, and I dance, and I look like a twat doing it. So the fit young ones have no excuse. In some respects you're not actually LISTENING until your body is moving. A party with a bunch of anoraks standing around is a party with no vibe. On 12/6/05, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not dancing isn't a fault. if someone pays the same money you did to get into an event which focuses on AUDIO, is your night really diminished because that person doesnt want to dance?
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Yeah, I always thought dance music was for dancing to! :) A friend of mine who DJed a few times in the states but is based in the UK told me how when he played a few places in the states nobody would dance. They all liked the music, clapped at the end or whatever, but kept perfectly still despite the dance music he was playing. With techno/electro/house I usually think it's the DJs job to get people to dance. I suppose if it's weird chin strokey musique concrete or whatever then it's more acceptable to stand around and have a bit of a shoe gaze (I always try to have a dance anyway, if I like what's being played). Must be a states thing, check out Cylob's rave photo page, he also talks about how nobody in the US dances at gig: http://www.cylob.com/rave_photos/ravephotos.html -skkatter On 07/12/05, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A party with a bunch of anoraks standing around is a party with no vibe. -- http://www.skkatter.net
RE: (313) my morning mischief
It's fine to stand around and pontificate, just don't do it on the dancefloor! Go to the bar! -Original Message- From: skkatter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 December 2005 12:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my morning mischief Yeah, I always thought dance music was for dancing to! :) A friend of mine who DJed a few times in the states but is based in the UK told me how when he played a few places in the states nobody would dance. They all liked the music, clapped at the end or whatever, but kept perfectly still despite the dance music he was playing. With techno/electro/house I usually think it's the DJs job to get people to dance. I suppose if it's weird chin strokey musique concrete or whatever then it's more acceptable to stand around and have a bit of a shoe gaze (I always try to have a dance anyway, if I like what's being played). Must be a states thing, check out Cylob's rave photo page, he also talks about how nobody in the US dances at gig: http://www.cylob.com/rave_photos/ravephotos.html -skkatter On 07/12/05, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A party with a bunch of anoraks standing around is a party with no vibe. -- http://www.skkatter.net # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) my morning mischief
Interesting. I was in Seattle a few weeks ago and went to see Larry Heard. Hardly anyone was dancing then too (compared to how it would be in the UKI mean it was Larry Heard!). robin... Yeah, I always thought dance music was for dancing to! :) A friend of mine who DJed a few times in the states but is based in the UK told me how when he played a few places in the states nobody would dance. They all liked the music, clapped at the end or whatever, but kept perfectly still despite the dance music he was playing. With techno/electro/house I usually think it's the DJs job to get people to dance. Must be a states thing, check out Cylob's rave photo page, he also talks about how nobody in the US dances at gig: http://www.cylob.com/rave_photos/ravephotos.html
RE: (313) my morning mischief
So true, why don't people dance at gigs in Detroit A couple months ago I was at a gig in detroit and I was dancing to the music and people looked at me Like I didn't belong there, when I feel the music I dance. Maybe because I'm an oldhead. -Original Message- From: skkatter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my morning mischief Yeah, I always thought dance music was for dancing to! :) A friend of mine who DJed a few times in the states but is based in the UK told me how when he played a few places in the states nobody would dance. They all liked the music, clapped at the end or whatever, but kept perfectly still despite the dance music he was playing. With techno/electro/house I usually think it's the DJs job to get people to dance. I suppose if it's weird chin strokey musique concrete or whatever then it's more acceptable to stand around and have a bit of a shoe gaze (I always try to have a dance anyway, if I like what's being played). Must be a states thing, check out Cylob's rave photo page, he also talks about how nobody in the US dances at gig: http://www.cylob.com/rave_photos/ravephotos.html -skkatter On 07/12/05, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A party with a bunch of anoraks standing around is a party with no vibe. -- http://www.skkatter.net The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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plenty of dancing in new york. maybe your friend's a crap dj and they were just clapping to be polite. ;) that's a joke. should try australia - they won't even clap. james www.jbucknell.com Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] uware.com To 'skkatter' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 12/08/05 01:08 AM '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject RE: (313) my morning mischief So true, why don't people dance at gigs in Detroit A couple months ago I was at a gig in detroit and I was dancing to the music and people looked at me Like I didn't belong there, when I feel the music I dance. Maybe because I'm an oldhead. -Original Message- From: skkatter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my morning mischief Yeah, I always thought dance music was for dancing to! :) A friend of mine who DJed a few times in the states but is based in the UK told me how when he played a few places in the states nobody would dance. They all liked the music, clapped at the end or whatever, but kept perfectly still despite the dance music he was playing. With techno/electro/house I usually think it's the DJs job to get people to dance. I suppose if it's weird chin strokey musique concrete or whatever then it's more acceptable to stand around and have a bit of a shoe gaze (I always try to have a dance anyway, if I like what's being played). Must be a states thing, check out Cylob's rave photo page, he also talks about how nobody in the US dances at gig: http://www.cylob.com/rave_photos/ravephotos.html -skkatter On 07/12/05, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A party with a bunch of anoraks standing around is a party with no vibe. -- http://www.skkatter.net The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ForwardSourceID:NT000245B6
RE: (313) my morning mischief
Yeah about that issue. I have read many interwievs of mr walker, and he is very hard on the on artists using just a laptop when they are playing live. So when some friends on mine booked him to play a livepa set here in oslo norway, I was really looking forward to see lots of nice gear and how he was going to interact with them. I was rather sad when I saw him with just a laptop later that night. And I also felt a littlebit tricked since he has been so hard on the laptop users. Well anyways the set rocked so the night was not totally bad hehe Kristian . oslo norway -Original Message- From: Garrett McGrath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5. desember 2005 21:00 To: Kent Williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) my morning mischief when you say Stewart Walker live set do you mean where he's standing behind an MPC flying his No Laptops t-shirt, or more recently when he is clearly standing in front of a Powerbook and midi controller, with a rather sheepish look on his face? enjoy them both Stewart, if you are listening. =) On Dec 5, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Kent Williams wrote: Richie Hawtin's DE9:Transitions A) sounds like a hair salon. Maybe the one where Richie is getting his Misfits haircut from. B) sounds like a Stewart Walker live set. Discuss ;-) ;-)
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I wouldn't be too hard on Stewart for switching to computer. When he formulated his no laptops idea, the software and hardware wasn't near as stable and capable, and a lot of people were doing sets that weren't very engaging. I think that he found that with his move to Europe that hauling around his MPC and sampler was a real drag, and that Ableton Live had all the features he needed to bring an engaging, flexible set in a much smaller package. Believe me, having a few punters call him out on the 'no laptops' thing is nothing compared to the teasing he gets from other producers! On 12/5/05, Kristian P Heggem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah about that issue. I have read many interwievs of mr walker, and he is very hard on the on artists using just a laptop when they are playing live. So when some friends on mine booked him to play a livepa set here in oslo norway, I was really looking forward to see lots of nice gear and how he was going to interact with them. I was rather sad when I saw him with just a laptop later that night. And I also felt a littlebit tricked since he has been so hard on the laptop users. Well anyways the set rocked so the night was not totally bad hehe Kristian . oslo norway
Re: (313) my morning mischief
not dancing isn't a fault. if someone pays the same money you did to get into an event which focuses on AUDIO, is your night really diminished because that person doesnt want to dance? do you require that sporting event attendees cheer and scream throughout the game/match? if the music sucks but everyone else is dancing, are you happy? not picking on anyone in particular, but people complaining that xy and z wasnt dancing seems ridiculous to me. let them trainspot, let them stand and LISTEN, why should you care? if it ruins your night, you're too damn sensitive (maybe YOU should be busy dancing and not auditing the behavior of others who have paid to gain entry to the event? :) love, Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Kent Williams wrote: I wouldn't be too hard on Stewart for switching to computer. When he formulated his no laptops idea, the software and hardware wasn't near as stable and capable, and a lot of people were doing sets that weren't very engaging. oh true... but that's partially the audience's fault for standing and staring at a performer doing dance music rather than facing the middle of the room and GETTIN DOWN instead ;) which has been happening for the last 10 years. Ever seen Mills DJ a blistering techno mix in the US? There's 1000 guys staring like they're watching a hula hoop contest, not a foot moving. A few of the extra funky types might do a head bob here and there. The party really goes bezerk when someone pumps a lone fist into the air. ahem SO it's not just laptops causing party lameness, it's lame partiers too. :) Believe me, having a few punters call him out on the 'no laptops' thing is nothing compared to the teasing he gets from other producers! It sort of reminded me how early rock bands used to diss (and print on their albums) NO SYNTHESIZERS were used in the making of our album... because that would be synthesis which is Fake music... hah. anyway, I think despite Stewart's good intent anyone who postulates that kind of attitude is well-deserving of any good hearted ribbing. It's the price you pay for being a loudmouth on the issue, no ill will intended. He realized like everyone else it's mostly what comes out of the speakers (and a side-order of portable practicality) that matters. If it kick it kick, period. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
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well Kent, if it sounds like a Stewart Walker live set, then i suppose it's good then innit! ;) (i haven't heard it yet...) this month's Groove mag has an interesting-looking article on Hawtin's studio and hardware - i said looking because its all in german :( fab. - Original Message - From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: (313) my morning mischief Richie Hawtin's DE9:Transitions A) sounds like a hair salon. Maybe the one where Richie is getting his Misfits haircut from. B) sounds like a Stewart Walker live set. Discuss ;-)
Re: (313) my morning mischief
when you say Stewart Walker live set do you mean where he's standing behind an MPC flying his No Laptops t-shirt, or more recently when he is clearly standing in front of a Powerbook and midi controller, with a rather sheepish look on his face? enjoy them both Stewart, if you are listening. =) On Dec 5, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Kent Williams wrote: Richie Hawtin's DE9:Transitions A) sounds like a hair salon. Maybe the one where Richie is getting his Misfits haircut from. B) sounds like a Stewart Walker live set. Discuss ;-)
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Well I've not seen him since his MPC days. Maybe he's had a herniated disc from hauling around an MPC2000 and K2000R, so he's switched to a powerbook. I kinda like his new beard though. He looks like The Dude from The Big Lebowski. I imagine his live sets have evolved with respect to source material, but what he was doing with the MPC2000 is nothing you can't do with Ableton Live. I think Stewart should perform, with his Powerbook AND wearing a NO LAPTOPS T shirt. I mean that's obvious, innit? On 12/5/05, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when you say Stewart Walker live set do you mean where he's standing behind an MPC flying his No Laptops t-shirt, or more recently when he is clearly standing in front of a Powerbook and midi controller, with a rather sheepish look on his face? enjoy them both Stewart, if you are listening. =) On Dec 5, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Kent Williams wrote: Richie Hawtin's DE9:Transitions A) sounds like a hair salon. Maybe the one where Richie is getting his Misfits haircut from. B) sounds like a Stewart Walker live set. Discuss ;-)
