RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 22:17 To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug - Original Message From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early interview a few years ago. :rollseyes: Sure, buddy. I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though. It's different. hahaha BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes. What? - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Most of the 1st wave of dubstep producers were centred around one shop, Big Apple Records in Croydon. They sold techno, and were closely associated with London techno night Lost, but it was UK garage that sold the most, and that's the big influence. The thought that they're all fans of Basic Channel and Chain Reaction is misguided. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2008 09:32 To: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 22:17 To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug - Original Message From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early interview a few years ago. :rollseyes: Sure, buddy. I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though. It's different. hahaha BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes. What? - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On 31 Mar 2008, at 09:31, Robert Taylor wrote: Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno I can concur with this, if you mention Hood/Mills/Juan/UR/May etc to them you'll get nothing but blank stares. Benga's new album is very good and highly recommended m
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
I agree with all this. A couple of years back I wasted a bit of time over at dubstepforum.com and the unwillingness of many posters back then to listen beyond their genre was both laughable and depressing. Two years on with all the cross-pollination that has occurred, those ultra-partisan view seem especially absurd. During one particularly virulent thread where people were getting stuck into techno from all angles, I got curious and PM'd one very big-name producer/dj within the dubstep scene (who shall remain anonymous as the correspondence was private), who was participating enthusiastically within the thread, to ask whether he'd ever listened to any of the techno that was being so noisily disparaged. I even offered to lend him my copies of a couple of techno cds that i though might be of interest, especially from the perspective of different bass sounds. He responded almost straightaway (NB. I've had to edit this slightly to protect the producer's identity): From: xx To: Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:34 am Subject: Re: x Hi.. just a few points. edit I appreciate your kindness in offering me some edit to listen to but I actually really don't like techno music! So I doubt very much I would be into it. Besides that I've avoided it this long I may aswell keep at it, not hearing it won't do me any harm. I come from a very commercial pop / hip hop / uk garage background, I don't have the slightest clue about techno, edit Thanks for your time, edit c. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Mar 2008, at 09:31, Robert Taylor wrote: Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno I can concur with this, if you mention Hood/Mills/Juan/UR/May etc to them you'll get nothing but blank stares. Benga's new album is very good and highly recommended m
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
I was gong to reply to this earlier but was going to say that most of these producer's idea of techno is more Timbaland than Juan Atkins. I'd have guessed at some DB, UK Garage and people like Dre/Timbaland/ Premier as influences to UK Dubstep producers. Just a guess mind, but over here (UK) most young people view techno as of German original and most certainly not a music of black origin, as the MOBO awards neatly illustrate. robin... (NB. I've had to edit this slightly to protect the producer's identity): From: xx To: Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:34 am Subject: Re: x I appreciate your kindness in offering me some edit to listen to but I actually really don't like techno music! So I doubt very much I would be into it. Besides that I've avoided it this long I may aswell keep at it, not hearing it won't do me any harm. I come from a very commercial pop / hip hop / uk garage background, I don't have the slightest clue about techno, edit
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
AS1? there should be a battle off for use of name Plastic man vs Plastikman AS1 vs As One any others? tangents tangents all around MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 10:28:59 AM: That reminds me ... http://www.isophlux.net/events.html If you just so happen to be in Miami this weekend (or even if you can get there) this 313 hued line-up looks more than interesting. Ken -Original Message- From: Alex Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) venting I'm on for the Pure Entertainment Value. :) Is there any way to resend all of the emails from the 3 months leading to the fest of the past few years so everyone can see the silliness of it all? Rehash, rehash, rehash. ;) Peace, Alex P.S. It will never get as bad the WMC, but they're trying! - Original Message From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:55:36 AM Subject: RE: (313) venting I'd just like to point out that half of that stuff was actually on topic. . I was getting my coat anyway -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:49 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) venting so, after finding out that josh wink is cack, movement 08 is not like demf but peeps are going anyway, and the wire is the best tv show in the western hemisphere, is there any new music out that is worth checking out? sometimes i think the only reason i still am subbed on this list after 7 years is for the excellent mixes that get posted sorry, but i had to vent fab Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 10:52:57 AM: On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. LOL! Plastician? AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. yes, there is, but play along dagnabbit MEK
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early interview a few years ago. :rollseyes: Sure, buddy. I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though. It's different. hahaha BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes. What? - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early interview a few years ago. :rollseyes: Sure, buddy. I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though. It's different. hahaha BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes. What? - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
What's wrong with Cybertronic 909? MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 11:51:00 AM: Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
If it's a joint venture between Jean-Luc De Meyer, Dietrich Schoenemann, and Thomas de Quincy, that's fine. On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with Cybertronic 909? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
nope just one man, a drum machine, and his bluetooth MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 12:09:50 PM: If it's a joint venture between Jean-Luc De Meyer, Dietrich Schoenemann, and Thomas de Quincy, that's fine. On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with Cybertronic 909? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Those are his intitials, so I don't know if that trumps words. :) - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:45:57 AM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) AS1? there should be a battle off for use of name Plastic man vs Plastikman AS1 vs As One any others? tangents tangents all around MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/28/2008 10:28:59 AM: That reminds me ... http://www.isophlux.net/events.html If you just so happen to be in Miami this weekend (or even if you can get there) this 313 hued line-up looks more than interesting. Ken -Original Message- From: Alex Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) venting I'm on for the Pure Entertainment Value. :) Is there any way to resend all of the emails from the 3 months leading to the fest of the past few years so everyone can see the silliness of it all? Rehash, rehash, rehash. ;) Peace, Alex P.S. It will never get as bad the WMC, but they're trying! - Original Message From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:55:36 AM Subject: RE: (313) venting I'd just like to point out that half of that stuff was actually on topic. . I was getting my coat anyway -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:49 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) venting so, after finding out that josh wink is cack, movement 08 is not like demf but peeps are going anyway, and the wire is the best tv show in the western hemisphere, is there any new music out that is worth checking out? sometimes i think the only reason i still am subbed on this list after 7 years is for the excellent mixes that get posted sorry, but i had to vent fab Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
i personally generally get turned off by made up names that are in no way referential to the artist. like a gimmick. although i guess record sleeves or label names are gimmicks too. On 3/28/08, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug - Original Message From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early interview a few years ago. :rollseyes: Sure, buddy. I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though. It's different. hahaha BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes. What? - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic man vs Plastikman Plasticman changed his name to Plastician. AS1 vs As One I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
No. But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug you should never underestimate peoples' ignorance. especially not in the modern drum and bass or dubstep scenes in which all influences seem to come from within their own genre, knowledge of music history seems to be completely lost on them. tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) No. But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. much like everything you say! tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
coming from you tom, thats a seal of approval. I wont let you down - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. much like everything you say! tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of sequenced music producers of today. What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation. On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) No. But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you. But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno, oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal percussions, dancehall and hip-hop. If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all styles, including techno and house. Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic, functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 20:33, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug you should never underestimate peoples' ignorance. especially not in the modern drum and bass or dubstep scenes in which all influences seem to come from within their own genre, knowledge of music history seems to be completely lost on them. tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you. But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno, oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal percussions, dancehall and hip-hop. to my ears, when i hear the music i dont hear any of that stuff (aside from the gratuitous oriental thing that was popular for a while) especially compared to when the music was just 2-step. If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all styles, including techno and house. i feel like you will always have subsets of techno and house music influenced by disco, jazz, latin music, r+b, etc. and of course they mix it up, too. in dubstep it seems to be largely trend hopping in its influences, and they always seem to be more second hand than direct. for example, all this talk about techno influencing dubstep hasnt produced much that really sounds like techno in any way. it is like some distorted idea of what techno should be. Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic, functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach. well of course there are tons of nonsense releases in the genres that have been around for 20 years, i just tend to completely ignore them ;) tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
Techno is one among many influences in the dubstep sound. I would not call the influence of techno second hand. Well it's an influence, not a copy/paste thing. Influences are not supposed to be identical, mimetic. Are supposed to be filtered, processed, and, sometimes, yes, distorted. I don't really know what techno should be. I know something concerning to what techno was, and is. Because it's surely more than i know of it. I don't know if dubstep producers get their techno flavour from american or european techno. Probabaly from the european (minimal?) techno and from the uk hardcore techno and rave culture passing on seamlessly over and over. I don't think they took influences directly from the roots of detroit techno - most of these producers are kids. But the techno flavour is there, anyway. Blended in a dub modus operandi. Just listen to Geiom's Overnight Biscuits or to Digital Mysticz's Neverland. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 22:21, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you. But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno, oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal percussions, dancehall and hip-hop. to my ears, when i hear the music i dont hear any of that stuff (aside from the gratuitous oriental thing that was popular for a while) especially compared to when the music was just 2-step. If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all styles, including techno and house. i feel like you will always have subsets of techno and house music influenced by disco, jazz, latin music, r+b, etc. and of course they mix it up, too. in dubstep it seems to be largely trend hopping in its influences, and they always seem to be more second hand than direct. for example, all this talk about techno influencing dubstep hasnt produced much that really sounds like techno in any way. it is like some distorted idea of what techno should be. Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic, functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach. well of course there are tons of nonsense releases in the genres that have been around for 20 years, i just tend to completely ignore them ;) tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
ok, I take back ridiculous and apologize. I generally respect what you say on the list. if you care to, please explain the comment that I disagreed with. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of sequenced music producers of today. What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation. On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) No. But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
We often can see producers, moved by trendy approaches, do bad music. This same trendy superficiality often results in choosing trendy names. But it's not always true. It's just common. We have great wonderful records in not very well done or graphically interesting covers. Sometimes because the artist really don't care about it. It turns to be a secondary thing. Ok. A good artist may imprint the same capabilities that makes him do good music in the making of a graphically interesting cover, or in choosing a non-stupid-trendy pseudonym. As i said, after agreeing with you, sometimes. Kw On 29/03/2008, at 00:36, /0 wrote: ok, I take back ridiculous and apologize. I generally respect what you say on the list. if you care to, please explain the comment that I disagreed with. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of sequenced music producers of today. What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation. On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) No. But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name. Kw On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote: so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name? - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves predictable sci-fi name and track titles Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami) On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's not exactly famous And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the Detroit one), or (the irritating one). -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ## ## ###
