Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I don't think it's funny at all. I can't see why we couldn't just continue to discuss it in a grown up manner. If we had misconstrued points they could have been cleared up. People can disagree without it getting personal. I never made a personal attack on Tosh. I thought he had originally raised an interesting issue. What's more, I was singled out when others made similar points - with irrelevant slurs on my nationality (even more irrelevant since I'm wog anyway) and level of intelligence. this is, by FAR, the funniest post of the year!! I am going to carry bony and rabbit fur everywhere I go!! I swear, this is getting printed and going on the wall or something...
Re:[313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I got to admit, Tosh has some very strong arguments here, but he has especially mastered the art of making a point in his favor by using a lot of put-down remarks. A keen and commonly used trick to baffle opponents in a discussion. What are we talking about here? Is the digital jockey the end of our music? Of course it isnt. No less than DJs who still prefer vinyl and refuse using a laptop are small-minded traditionalists. What bothers me in all this ranting and raving about progression and embracing new technology is the emptiness of it all. Everyday we are slapped in the face with some new and improved technology which we should use because we would not wish to be hopelessly retarded now would we? Sorry to break the news to all the technology freaks, but this is absolute bollocks. Just take a minute to look back in the past and see what was the last invention which has really affected all of our lives, whether we wanted it or not. Was it the mobile phone? Was it the internet? No it wasnt. People not using the internet, or not using a mobile phone are perfectly happy and do not miss a single thing without which they could not live. The last invention which really affected everybody and everything was the car. It gave us the possibility to see more of the world, it affected the environment (roads, pollution), it affected the economy. It changed the face of the earth. All the other new and revolutionary technologies are mere trifles in our lives. What does this all have to do with our discussion? Well, whether you use vinyl or final scratch, the progression will always made by your mind, by the things you play, by the feeling you can pass on to people listening. Making things easier has absolutely nothing to do with progress, its called laziness, and IMO its laziness which brings things to a halt. I prefer to play with vinyls, and I dont care to tow along truckloads of record bags, I feel good with it, and if you think that makes me a narrow-minded, old-fashioned conservative, you couldnt be more wrong. RD I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of notating scratches? I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. PAY ATTENTION! THE PERFORMER STILL MUST BUILD A SET, MUST STILL PLACE THE NEEDLE ON A RECORD ON A TECHNICS 1200, MUST STILL MATCH BEATS, MUST STILL CREATE A MOMENTARY EVENT, MUST STILL LOOK FOR HO'S, MUST STILL TRY NOT TO KNOCK THE NEEDLE WHEN BLOWING COKE, MUST STILL DECIDE IF RECORD 'B' IS SUITABLE TO PLAY AFTER RECORD 'A', ETC ETC ET-FU**ING-CETERA. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I agree, I think what I and others have been said has maybe been misconstrued. I myself never said I was adverse to technology, I never said I was a traditionalist. Also we were discussing DJs, not live acts, though I agree this divide could be rendered even more fluid in the future. Someone mentioned Sutekh's live sets but that is something different - in fact I just chased up an interview on him the other week and I believe I was the only one to cover his Australian tour, so there you go. I'm on the pulse. :) Like I said there is good AND bad technology, technology that aids creativity, technology that hampers it. Did you all not see my post about Maurice Fulton. He had a computer for a year and couldn't use it as he didn't know how to turn it on - this in 98. Finally his gf showed him. Now he has produced a whole album with just a powerbook and a keyboard. And he is a creative person, his music is out there. His studio set up fits on a window sill. He can take it on a plane! That is an example of technology aiding creativity, you can work without all that scary looking stuff around you, it probably frees the mind. Maybe I was wrong to jump in and assess the new Finalscratch without seeing it, hearing it, I can see that, sorry Tosh for that. But what Tosh described sounded awfully like a high tech jukebox like in those old diners and damn that is old skool, not future skool, but hey the discussions are great and Tosh should feel chuffed to have introduced a cool topic that brought out interesting responses from Dale Lawrence and others, rather than jump in and diss people he barely knows just because they are sceptical of some things. I got to admit, Tosh has some very strong arguments here What are we talking about here? Is the digital jockey the end of our music? Of course it isnt. No less than DJs who still prefer vinyl and refuse using a laptop are small-minded traditionalists. What bothers me in all this ranting and raving about progression and embracing new technology is the emptiness of it all. Everyday we are slapped in the face with some new and improved technology which we should use because we would not wish to be hopelessly retarded now would we? Sorry to break the news to all the technology freaks, but this is absolute bollocks. Just take a minute to look back in the past and see what was the last invention which has really affected all of our lives, whether we wanted it or not. Was it the mobile phone? Was it the internet? No it wasnt. People not using the internet, or not using a mobile phone are perfectly happy and do not miss a single thing without which they could not live. The last invention which really affected everybody and everything was the car. It gave us the possibility to see more of the world, it affected the environment (roads, pollution), it affected the economy. It changed the face of the earth. All the other new and revolutionary technologies are mere trifles in our lives. What does this all have to do with our discussion? Well, whether you use vinyl or final scratch, the progression will always made by your mind, by the things you play, by the feeling you can pass on to people listening. Making things easier has absolutely nothing to do with progress, its called laziness, and IMO its laziness which brings things to a halt. I prefer to play with vinyls, and I dont care to tow along truckloads of record bags, I feel good with it, and if you think that makes me a narrow-minded, old-fashioned conservative, you couldnt be more wrong.
RE: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: stuffed bird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I got to admit, Tosh has some very strong arguments here, but he has especially mastered the art of making a point in his favor by using a lot of put-down remarks. A keen and commonly used trick to baffle opponents in a discussion. Tosh has a point but he could mail it in another less-flammable-way. The original discussion reminded me a lot of the early days of electronic music when the old-school musicians said that making music with drum-computers and samplers wasn't real music. When they played in instrument they could feel it because they triggered their guitar or hit the hihat. In the end the only thing that counts is whether or not the music you play (or make) has a good spirit, technique is just a tool and not a religion. Just do what you feel is right. it's all about the spirit [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOm6nzliiwn/7Ov6sEQJdzgCcCdWcVFX/qSKrCPirgtogfGhwFKMAn0NJ Kan0Jw0ftF7oK/ft1GYN2s/U =/PqF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[the most OT post of the planet] Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
Cyclone, You have to remember that half of the guys on this list now are children between 16-21 y o. This isn't a personal attack either... but if you're as grown up as you say you are you need to just take it like a pinch of salt... just ignore it... Forgot those d*cks... If they bring up a good point then fair enough but there is never any need for them to be abusive... Some people never ever grow up and there are a hell of a lot of w*nkers on this list... It is impossible to strain all of these people out because they make up the bulk of society... I have been that kind of t*sser before... when I was about 16 or 17, I kept sending dirty emails to Isla Fisher (remember her?). She actually replied to some... and was really nice, put me down softly... An answer, when calm, turns away rage..., from the Bible (but I don't know exactly where:) Time to stop now... Tosh etc. can go and find some new friends... Take care, Nick:) --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's funny at all. I can't see why we couldn't just continue to discuss it in a grown up manner. If we had misconstrued points they could have been cleared up. People can disagree without it getting personal. I never made a personal attack on Tosh. I thought he had originally raised an interesting issue. What's more, I was singled out when others made similar points - with irrelevant slurs on my nationality (even more irrelevant since I'm wog anyway) and level of intelligence. this is, by FAR, the funniest post of the year!! I am going to carry bony and rabbit fur everywhere I go!! I swear, this is getting printed and going on the wall or something... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re:[313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I think it's fair to say people without a car are capable of being happy and don't miss a single thing without which they could not live. Mobile phones and the internet also allow us to see/hear more of the world and it's people and, i think just a tad, affect the economy. This Finalscratch 'debate' is crazy. If people were just a little less rigid his is absolute bollocks. Just take a minute to look back in the past and see what was the last invention which has really affected all of our lives, whether we wanted it or not. Was it the mobile phone? Was it the internet? No it wasn't. People not using the internet, or not using a mobile phone are perfectly happy and do not miss a single thing without which they could not live. The last invention which really affected everybody and everything was the car. It gave us the possibility to see more of the world, it affected the environment (roads, pollution), it affected the economy. It changed the face of the earth. All the other new and revolutionary technologies are mere trifles in our lives. This comment is insane, NOONE is saying that. I can't understand the defensiveness this topic generates. I prefer to play with vinyls, and I don't care to tow along truckloads of record bags, I feel good with it, and if you think that makes me a narrow-minded, old-fashioned conservative, you couldn't be more wrong.
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Well man since you quote my crap as call it maybe you should keep in mind that I never cite Toffler, Blade Runner, et al. I stick to my words. I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: Well I have a scholarship-based first class hons degree in English at the Australian equivalent of an Ivy League University so maybe you should freakin' hold off on the presumptions. *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. And you think that change in set up wouldn't impact on DJing? I disagree. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. I stand by my words. Are you a salesman for it? You sound like one of the iMac sales people when I put it to them that the iMac has been an absolute disaster and there had been a cover up and they denied it, made sexist accusations, really got worked up, etc. Next day the company posted its financial report, not good. Whole universities are trashing them etc - my research background came up with some embrassing info for them, too. Why are you so damn overwrought over it. Up until now it was a good discussion and very interesting. Just maybe you failed to explain it properly. But I stick by my POV and won't be intimidated by this nonsense. I know PLENTY of good international DJs would agree. Lighten up! Cheers Cyclone
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
Being a huge Mac fan, please explain the reasons for the absolute disaster and what cover-up?...even though I would never change alliances or use anything else other than Apple Mac products. I'm sure that not every product or company is perfect, including PCs but still would like to know. Think different... glyph( a machead that's keeping it real.) P.S. sorry for the irrelevance folks, my curiosity got the best of me. response can be private. In a message dated 1/23/01 4:55:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand by my words. Are you a salesman for it? You sound like one of the iMac sales people when I put it to them that the iMac has been an absolute disaster and there had been a cover up and they denied it, made sexist accusations, really got worked up, etc. Next day the company posted its financial report, not good. Whole universities are trashing them etc - my research background came up with some embrassing info for them, too. Why are you so damn overwrought over it. Up until now it was a good discussion and very interesting. Just maybe you failed to explain it properly. But I stick by my POV and won't be intimidated by this nonsense. I know PLENTY of good international DJs would agree.
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
this is, by FAR, the funniest post of the year!! I am going to carry bony and rabbit fur everywhere I go!! I swear, this is getting printed and going on the wall or something... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing) I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of notating scratches? I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. PAY ATTENTION! THE PERFORMER STILL MUST BUILD A SET, MUST STILL PLACE THE NEEDLE ON A RECORD ON A TECHNICS 1200, MUST STILL MATCH BEATS, MUST STILL CREATE A MOMENTARY EVENT, MUST STILL LOOK FOR HO'S, MUST STILL TRY NOT TO KNOCK THE NEEDLE WHEN BLOWING COKE, MUST STILL DECIDE IF RECORD 'B' IS SUITABLE TO PLAY AFTER RECORD 'A', ETC ETC ET-FU**ING-CETERA. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. -- Oh my GodIf this is so important to you and there is a big enough market then I'm sure each unit will come with an ebony rod and a piece of rabbit fur so you can make all the static electricy you can manage, or just buy a nitrous balloon (empty it how you like, I don't care) reinflate the balloon, rub it on your head and then touch the leads on your equuipment, you'll get all the crackles your heart desires. Similarly if you really want crackles I'm sure someone will build you Kai's PowerCrackles for SoundForge. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track -- Imagine the joys of actually learning how to play the bass, and then play the piano, and then play the drums, and then putting it all together to make a song, not just press the Drums button and having instant rhythm. AND ANYWAY WHO
