Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rob hall was more interesting since he was djing therefore able to read
the
crowd more and make it all more enjoyable. i enjoyed him playing early 90s
uk happy hardcore
You know, this is what bugs me about this stuff in general.
I hate that snotty 'idm' attitude, that if you don't like the music, it's
just flying over your head, or you aren't sophisticated or intelligent
enough to like it, you don't 'get it'.
then you get their dj playing happy hardcore.
just so I know, there isn't anything good or worth bothering with about
happy hardcore is there? or was I missing something?
I was around and buying records at the height of happy hardcore, and
hardcore I guess before it came 'jungle' or 'db'. didn't get it then,
don't get it now.
Best Regards,
Confused, from Manchester.
Yes, that sort of snottiness is truly annoying, though it should go without
saying that the IDM scene is no different from any other scene.You can
count on finding snooty scenesters wherever you go.
As for Happy Hardcore, it may just be an acquired taste. I used to think it some of the silliest crap I'd ever heard. Now I love the stuff!! I still think its some of the silliest crap I've ever heard, though that's precisely its charm.
At its best, the music is SO unabashedly upbeat that it is infectious. Plus,
the music is so consonant it makes me more aware of how comparitively dissonant
most of the music I listen to is. Sometimes, I do feel extremely happy and
elated and Happy Hardcore fits that mood perfectly, especially early 90s happy
breaks.
When I think about it, I'm actually hard-pressed to think of very many techno/trance/jungle tracks that convey such a bright, sunny mood without tinges of wistfullness, melancholy or irony.
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Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
fab. wrote:
ok,
i dont want to kill anyone's enthusiasm but i saw them here last week
in rome and was not impressed one bit.
i was expecting autechre to fully bust out with their trademark
crunchy poly-rhythms but instead they tried to make it a more
danceable event incorporating a stronger kick drum and an almost 4/4
beat. the result was quite boring and not very remarkable at all.
Danceable Autechre sounds just fine to me.
I just bought my ticket, and I'm eager to this show. I'm truly curious to hear
what they'll be like live and how the complexity of their music comes across on
a large soundsystem.
I'd be quite happy to boogie the night away to their dancier tracks. (If Surgeon can
play them, why can't Autechre?) That'd be more enjoyable than paying $20 to hear to an
Amber chillfest, or some dreadful exercise in audio wankery.
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Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
ok, i dont want to kill anyone's enthusiasm but i saw them here last week in rome and was not impressed one bit. i was expecting autechre to fully bust out with their trademark crunchy poly-rhythms but instead they tried to make it a more danceable event incorporating a stronger kick drum and an almost 4/4 beat. the result was quite boring and not very remarkable at all. snd - well snd is more glitchy laptop fare, and that can be more of a hit and miss type of thing, especially in a venue with tons of people. in this case the sound system wasn't sounding too good and they didnt sound too inspired. pretty middle of the road type of sound, nowhere near as good as their Make Cassette release from a while back. rob hall was more interesting since he was djing therefore able to read the crowd more and make it all more enjoyable. i enjoyed him playing early 90s uk happy hardcore (but thats because im a nostalgic old fart). so, it had a lot to do with the venue since most of it would have been much better in a smaller lounge situation and to tell the truth the sound system sucked, but objectively speaking autechre really let me down. it was a non-outstanding set. anyway, i went with the notion that i was going to walk away disappointed, but i went anyway.so that would be my advice fab. - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj) just a reminder, dont forget! www.paxahau.com -Joe
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
rob hall was more interesting since he was djing therefore able to read the crowd more and make it all more enjoyable. i enjoyed him playing early 90s uk happy hardcore You know, this is what bugs me about this stuff in general. I hate that snotty 'idm' attitude, that if you don't like the music, it's just flying over your head, or you aren't sophisticated or intelligent enough to like it, you don't 'get it'. then you get their dj playing happy hardcore. just so I know, there isn't anything good or worth bothering with about happy hardcore is there? or was I missing something? I was around and buying records at the height of happy hardcore, and hardcore I guess before it came 'jungle' or 'db'. didn't get it then, don't get it now. Best Regards, Confused, from Manchester. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
On May 5, 2005, at 8:59 AM, fab. wrote: ok, i dont want to kill anyone's enthusiasm but i saw them here last week in rome and was not impressed one bit. i was expecting autechre to fully bust out with their trademark crunchy poly-rhythms but instead they tried to make it a more danceable event incorporating a stronger kick drum and an almost 4/4 beat. the result was quite boring and not very remarkable at all. funny, because every time they do a 'complicated' set people complain that it's not dancey enough.
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
ugh. makes me feel sad P really. and, as I get older, far from understanding things better, some stuff just confuses me even more. *sigh* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
On May 5, 2005, at 11:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rob hall was more interesting since he was djing therefore able to read the crowd more and make it all more enjoyable. i enjoyed him playing early 90s uk happy hardcore You know, this is what bugs me about this stuff in general. I hate that snotty 'idm' attitude, that if you don't like the music, it's just flying over your head, or you aren't sophisticated or intelligent enough to like it, you don't 'get it'. then you get their dj playing happy hardcore. i don't know who rob hall is and didn't see the event, but i get your observation, so i'll comment on your sentiment in the abstract: it's a perfect compliment to shut-in IDM'ers mentality... that you have so many layers of defensiveness build up around your music, you have to coat the outside layer with sarcasm and irony so nobody thinks you actually GIVE A SH*T about ANYTHING... the perception that everything must be a piss take or an inside joke to the point of obnoxiousness. it's also what sort of turned me off about later-era Richard James, a career made out of more and more elaborate music pranks, but i digress... i like people not taking things so seriously, :) sure,, but i hate when that's always used as a prop because god forbid, anyone be earnest about music... playing happy hardcore to a detroit techno crowd is about as relevant as playing Polka or Country Western... why not just do that then, make your bad joke, and let the next DJ go on. rowr! (and this is coming from someone with a fairly decent 'idm' collection in the old sense of the words... the warp/b12/skam/black dog/etc. stuff) -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
Maybe Rob Hall actually quite likes Happy Hardcore? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that you don't (don't remember seeing any in your playlists at least), but that doesn't mean that others don't. I'm not a fan myself, but I can see why others might like it. It was a step in the evolution of electronic music after all. D. P.S. I'm listening to the Riot EP at the moment and it's not a million miles from some of the later UK hardcore/rave... At 11:27 am -0500 5/5/05, Matt MacQueen wrote: On May 5, 2005, at 11:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rob hall was more interesting since he was djing therefore able to read the crowd more and make it all more enjoyable. i enjoyed him playing early 90s uk happy hardcore You know, this is what bugs me about this stuff in general. I hate that snotty 'idm' attitude, that if you don't like the music, it's just flying over your head, or you aren't sophisticated or intelligent enough to like it, you don't 'get it'. then you get their dj playing happy hardcore. i don't know who rob hall is and didn't see the event, but i get your observation, so i'll comment on your sentiment in the abstract: it's a perfect compliment to shut-in IDM'ers mentality... that you have so many layers of defensiveness build up around your music, you have to coat the outside layer with sarcasm and irony so nobody thinks you actually GIVE A SH*T about ANYTHING... the perception that everything must be a piss take or an inside joke to the point of obnoxiousness. it's also what sort of turned me off about later-era Richard James, a career made out of more and more elaborate music pranks, but i digress... i like people not taking things so seriously, :) sure,, but i hate when that's always used as a prop because god forbid, anyone be earnest about music... playing happy hardcore to a detroit techno crowd is about as relevant as playing Polka or Country Western... why not just do that then, make your bad joke, and let the next DJ go on. rowr! (and this is coming from someone with a fairly decent 'idm' collection in the old sense of the words... the warp/b12/skam/black dog/etc. stuff) -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
Maybe Rob Hall actually quite likes Happy Hardcore? Yeah, I think he does. I mean, the first skams were hardcore records I guess. I'm not a fan myself, but I can see why others might like it. Yes, of course, and of course there's nothing wrong with that. In a way, I'm being a musical snob, but I'm just kinda trying to say that I see enough musical snobbery from people and it gets on my wick when the ultimate musical snobbery people then come out playing things like happy hardcore, then STILL remain snobbish towards others. I'm not singling out Rob Hall by the way at all here, more, well, it's a long story, but, I know enough 'IDM' heads. Most of them musical snobs.. More so than any other people who will be into other types of music. I even like 'idm' as Matt says, I have old black dogs, ART, you know, all that I just don't understand the attitude that goes with it. *he says, being snobbish about music himself* jesus, I don't even know what I'm trying to say really. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
my gripe with idm and the often-associated attitudes is that with IDM it seems technique trumps product. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj) Maybe Rob Hall actually quite likes Happy Hardcore? Yeah, I think he does. I mean, the first skams were hardcore records I guess. I'm not a fan myself, but I can see why others might like it. Yes, of course, and of course there's nothing wrong with that. In a way, I'm being a musical snob, but I'm just kinda trying to say that I see enough musical snobbery from people and it gets on my wick when the ultimate musical snobbery people then come out playing things like happy hardcore, then STILL remain snobbish towards others. I'm not singling out Rob Hall by the way at all here, more, well, it's a long story, but, I know enough 'IDM' heads. Most of them musical snobs.. More so than any other people who will be into other types of music. I even like 'idm' as Matt says, I have old black dogs, ART, you know, all that I just don't understand the attitude that goes with it. *he says, being snobbish about music himself* jesus, I don't even know what I'm trying to say really. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) detroit, may 12, autechre(live) + SND(live) + rob hall(dj)
P.S. I'm listening to the Riot EP at the moment and it's not a million miles from some of the later UK hardcore/rave... oh yeah, forgot to say! yeah, I can't stand all that old ravy UR. Never liked it, never will. I was always a Jupiter Jazz kinda guy, not a seawolf/riot ep man. thats why I fell in love with the music from detroit. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
