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yeah, i can't buy new records - the clean production makes every single track sound like bland techhouse to me. theo parrish and moodymann being about the only exceptions. if it wasn't made on a reel to reel i'm not interested. james www.jbucknell.com Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To h.com313@hyperreal.org cc 07/07/05 02:11 AM Subject Re: (313) new acid tracks to Please respond to check [EMAIL PROTECTED] h.com -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sort us out then jason! give us your top 5 not mentioned on the 313 could do with a few new bits myself. got a few bits lately, but you know, always looking and that. i almost never hear new records that i like. and if i do, i rarely like them enough to actually buy them. theres too much clean production and hip sounds out there for me right now tom andythepooh.com ForwardSourceID:NT0002028A
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you treat the music and the production as two distinct things. with house, the studio is the instrument and the production is the music. yep, i prefer bad production, wack levels, crappy sounds, dropouts and surface noise. that's exactly what made my bug out in the 80s to early house. just like the raw, amateur quality of punk attracted me in the late 70s, early 80s. i like raw minimal tracks. you don't need more than 4 tracks to make the best music in the world. as i've said before damce music is like prog rock waiting for punk to come along and kill it. viva la (next) revolution. james www.jbucknell.com Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/05 03:06 AM cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) new acid tracks to check On 6-jul-2005, at 18:11, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: i almost never hear new records that i like. and if i do, i rarely like them enough to actually buy them. theres too much clean production and hip sounds out there for me right now Hmmm so you think that the production of a track is more important then the actual music? Or do u prefer a bad production above a good one? Both don't really make any sense to me, would you try and explain this to us so more because when i make a good track i really try to finish it with a clean production to? ForwardSourceID:NT000202A2
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah, i can't buy new records - the clean production makes every single track sound like bland techhouse to me. seriously. everything is so tame sounding and compressed into dynamicless poop. all those kinds of tracks seem to sit at the same energy level. this is why most deejays bore me, they play these records that sit at the same level and they never deviate from that when they play. those old jams arent so one dimensional. honestly, when people are in the record shop getting excited over some new NYC house cuts, i just shake my head. some friends and i were playing a party and this one cat was on playing some recent kerri chandler crap. i stepped in and dropped that nasty sax loop cut from KDJ's soul sounds 12 and people suddenly started paying attention. theo parrish and moodymann being about the only exceptions. detroit house in general is an exception. i also really like the dynamics in stinkworx stuff. moonstarr is another guy who can really work what he's got. titonton as well. if it wasn't made on a reel to reel i'm not interested. what about cassette tape? im a big fan of it ;) yep, i prefer bad production, wack levels, crappy sounds, dropouts and surface noise. im just glad im not the only one! that's exactly what made my bug out in the 80s to early house. just like the raw, amateur quality of punk attracted me in the late 70s, early 80s. i like raw minimal tracks. you don't need more than 4 tracks to make the best music in the world. this point really seems to be being missed by almost all dance music producers these days. what happened to real minimalism? less IS more! as i've said before damce music is like prog rock waiting for punk to come along and kill it. viva la (next) revolution. ive definitely considered detroit house and chicago traxx to be the punk of dance music. tom andythepooh.com
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yep, i prefer bad production, wack levels, crappy sounds, dropouts and surface noise. im just glad im not the only one! Interesting here . . You are identifying a quality of sound that technicaly is regarded as 'wrong' or 'bad' I have an inherent interest in these same qualities, which have lead me to have a much greater appreciation in glitch sounds, rather than the new sounds of dance music. I find it difficult to appreciate comments about 'great production' because so much 'production' is the same as all the other 'greatness'. Certainly I am looking for the difference, the edge where you can hear the intentions of the artist as opposed to their efforts in the studio to make something sound acceptable. I guess its just honesty I want to listen to, and that starts before you even make a sound. .simon -- Can you do enough to stop the liberation of your own mind? www.psurkit.net www.obscure.co.nz
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some new NYC house cuts, i just shake my head. some friends and i were playing a party and this one cat was on playing some recent kerri chandler crap. i stepped in and dropped that nasty sax loop cut from KDJ's soul sounds 12 and people suddenly started paying attention. maybe it's just different out there, but honestly, nobody plays detroit house in SF clubs. I seriously can't remember any dj ever dropping a theo track out here ever, and I go out alot. Which seems to contradict the idea that party goers are sick of NYC house cuts and dying for some KDJ as much as I would like to believe that.
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-- Original Message -- From: James Hurlbut [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe it's just different out there, but honestly, nobody plays detroit house in SF clubs. I seriously can't remember any dj ever dropping a theo track out here ever, and I go out alot. Which seems to contradict the idea that party goers are sick of NYC house cuts and dying for some KDJ as much as I would like to believe that. people dont know what they want to hear if no one is playing it! plus SF has their own little overproduced sound to jam in there with the NYC vibes so people probably will go for that kind of thing. and i wasnt trying to insinuate that people are bored with it, just that those sounds only play on one level while detroit cuts go deeper, more intense, and more dynamic, often all at the same time. their tracks stand out as opposed to mixing in so smoothly that you cant tell the difference between records. tom andythepooh.com
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Hello Maarten, this is the opinion police. I fully agree. The professional recording studio is the worst invention ever :-)You need to build your own equipment I hate quality production. ahem what was that you were saying about the beatles? ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Hello Maarten, this is the opinion police. :-) I fully agree. The professional recording studio is the worst invention ever :-)You need to build your own equipment I hate quality production. what was that you were saying about the beatles? Quality production in the 60's is like home-made-track quality 10 years ago (at best). There were only analog recording techniques and the beatles experimented a lot with tape loops and stuff, so you get a layer of hiss. I like the sound of the beatles a lot, it's not perfect as loads of people think. Cheers, Maarten
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so, in conclusion, did anyone actually like any of the tracks or were you all too busy thinking about the production quality. i think they r pretty cool but hey what do i know p Maarten Baute wrote: Hello Maarten, this is the opinion police. :-) I fully agree. The professional recording studio is the worst invention ever :-)You need to build your own equipment I hate quality production. what was that you were saying about the beatles? Quality production in the 60's is like home-made-track quality 10 years ago (at best). There were only analog recording techniques and the beatles experimented a lot with tape loops and stuff, so you get a layer of hiss. I like the sound of the beatles a lot, it's not perfect as loads of people think. Cheers, Maarten
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Ive got the Erik Van Den Broek and Vibert ones and like them. I have the Red Acid Krax but not the blue one I dont think. Havnt had the opportunity to listen to the samples of the others you have on the site Placid Cheers BT --- Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, in conclusion, did anyone actually like any of the tracks or were you all too busy thinking about the production quality. i think they r pretty cool but hey what do i know p Maarten Baute wrote: Hello Maarten, this is the opinion police. :-) I fully agree. The professional recording studio is the worst invention ever :-)You need to build your own equipment I hate quality production. what was that you were saying about the beatles? Quality production in the 60's is like home-made-track quality 10 years ago (at best). There were only analog recording techniques and the beatles experimented a lot with tape loops and stuff, so you get a layer of hiss. I like the sound of the beatles a lot, it's not perfect as loads of people think. Cheers, Maarten
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I can't believe there hasn't been more of a fuss on the list about the Acid Kid release_ I can't emphasise what a stunning comeback single this is for Erik- he's really taken the ball and ran with it for the Acid sound. In fact there's about a million good records floating about at the moment that I haven't seen mentioned here recently- admitedly not many of them have been from 313-land but good Techno and House none the less Jason On 5 Jul 2005, at 13:33, Placid wrote: front page on here http://www.acid-house.net Some very tasty items p
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a kick ass record indeed Nomorewords.net http://nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands phn +31-64-499-2027 fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: (313) new acid tracks to check I can't believe there hasn't been more of a fuss on the list about the Acid Kid release_ I can't emphasise what a stunning comeback single this is for Erik- he's really taken the ball and ran with it for the Acid sound. In fact there's about a million good records floating about at the moment that I haven't seen mentioned here recently- admitedly not many of them have been from 313-land but good Techno and House none the less Jason On 5 Jul 2005, at 13:33, Placid wrote: front page on here http://www.acid-house.net Some very tasty items p
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In fact there's about a million good records floating about at the moment that I haven't seen mentioned here recently- admitedly not many of them have been from 313-land but good Techno and House none the less sort us out then jason! give us your top 5 not mentioned on the 313 could do with a few new bits myself. got a few bits lately, but you know, always looking and that. TA _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sort us out then jason! give us your top 5 not mentioned on the 313 could do with a few new bits myself. got a few bits lately, but you know, always looking and that. i almost never hear new records that i like. and if i do, i rarely like them enough to actually buy them. theres too much clean production and hip sounds out there for me right now tom andythepooh.com
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On 6-jul-2005, at 18:11, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: i almost never hear new records that i like. and if i do, i rarely like them enough to actually buy them. theres too much clean production and hip sounds out there for me right now Hmmm so you think that the production of a track is more important then the actual music? Or do u prefer a bad production above a good one? Both don't really make any sense to me, would you try and explain this to us so more because when i make a good track i really try to finish it with a clean production to?
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-- Original Message -- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm so you think that the production of a track is more important then the actual music? *I* dont. the problem seems to be that 99% of the producers out there seem to think so! Or do u prefer a bad production above a good one? Both don't really make any sense to me, would you try and explain this to us so more because when i make a good track i really try to finish it with a clean production to? i feel like alot of artists are sitting out there trying to make things sound clean or professional or complex or whatever as opposed to good. like all the production values matter more than the actual content of the music. it seems to me like most techno is made in someone's bedroom, so it doesnt bother me if it sounds like it was. i really appreciate that raw feeling of the older techno and house music. it accomplished so much more with so much less. this is why i like the modern detroit house sound, they understand this principle more than anyone else these days (though the bunker cats seem to be on a similar tip at times). tom andythepooh.com
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Tom wrote: i feel like alot of artists are sitting out there trying to make things sound clean or professional or complex or whatever as opposed to good. like all the production values matter more than the actual content of the music. it seems to me like most techno is made in someone's bedroom, so it doesnt bother me if it sounds like it was. i really appreciate that raw feeling of the older techno and house music. I fully agree. The professional recording studio is the worst invention ever :-) You need to build your own equipment, like King Tubby did ;-) Take a listen to those mid 60's garage rock recordings. What a sound. When I hear a guitar on the radio now, it sounds so impotent. It has no feeling at all. That's what a professional recording studio does to your sound. I hate quality production. Give me a rhythim is rhythim record any day! Love that raw sound. Cheers, Maarten
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P, I reckon your head is yellow with two black eyes and a big smiley gob, and you dont have a nose. am i right or am i right? just thought i'd share that with you. p.s. i think you drink acid instead of tea and your microwave is actually a 303. and your mum is a 101. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
