Re: High Sierra or Mojave?

[Doug Hall via 4D_Tech]

Thanks for responding, Bernd! That's exactly what I'll do.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:36 AM Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech <
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> Doug Hall:
>
> > I want to stay
> > relatively close to the latest OS, but I'm a bit weary of the security
> > measures Apple is imposing on Mojave/Catalina.
>
> Mojave runs fine over here.
> I would stay away from Catalina for some more months.
>
> Greetings from Germany,
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Re: High Sierra or Mojave?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

There's really no need for Catalina in my opinion. No big improvements, lots 
more headaches... 

The phrase macOS's Vista is pretty appropriate... :)

> On Dec 10, 2019, at 8:31 PM, John DeSoi via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Mohave works fine with 4D 17 including Mac Mini configurations older than 
> 2014. Catalina will be another story...

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Re: High Sierra or Mojave?

[Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech]

Doug Hall:

> I want to stay
> relatively close to the latest OS, but I'm a bit weary of the security
> measures Apple is imposing on Mojave/Catalina.

Mojave runs fine over here.
I would stay away from Catalina for some more months.

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Re: High Sierra or Mojave?

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

Mohave works fine with 4D 17 including Mac Mini configurations older than 2014. 
Catalina will be another story...

John DeSoi, Ph.D.



> On Dec 10, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Doug Hall via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm upgrading my 4D structure from 4D v15 to v17, to gain 64 bit
> compatibility on the client side with new Apple hardware. Question: Should
> I upgrade a late 2014 Mac Mini w/16GB Ram, running Sierra (10.12.6) to High
> Sierra or Mojave? I'm also using Homebrew on a Web Client machine I'm
> using, that shares the same specs as this 4D Server machine. I want to stay
> relatively close to the latest OS, but I'm a bit weary of the security
> measures Apple is imposing on Mojave/Catalina.

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Re: High Sierra or Mojave?

[Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech]

I was a late migrator to Mojave and haven't found the security measures 
cumbersome. Nothing like what I'm reading is SOP with Catalina.


> On Dec 10, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Doug Hall via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm upgrading my 4D structure from 4D v15 to v17, to gain 64 bit
> compatibility on the client side with new Apple hardware. Question: Should
> I upgrade a late 2014 Mac Mini w/16GB Ram, running Sierra (10.12.6) to High
> Sierra or Mojave? I'm also using Homebrew on a Web Client machine I'm
> using, that shares the same specs as this 4D Server machine. I want to stay
> relatively close to the latest OS, but I'm a bit weary of the security
> measures Apple is imposing on Mojave/Catalina.
> 
> Recommendations?
> 
> Thanks,
> Doug



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High Sierra or Mojave?

[Doug Hall via 4D_Tech]

I'm upgrading my 4D structure from 4D v15 to v17, to gain 64 bit
compatibility on the client side with new Apple hardware. Question: Should
I upgrade a late 2014 Mac Mini w/16GB Ram, running Sierra (10.12.6) to High
Sierra or Mojave? I'm also using Homebrew on a Web Client machine I'm
using, that shares the same specs as this 4D Server machine. I want to stay
relatively close to the latest OS, but I'm a bit weary of the security
measures Apple is imposing on Mojave/Catalina.

Recommendations?

Thanks,
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Re: [OFF] Mojave Backup Server Authentication Fail

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Disaster averted…. After restarting both machines, and re-adding the TM 
destination, it’s working as expected. I’m used to working with Linux servers 
as of late and did not think that restarting the OS would make a difference. I 
miss the old days when we did not have to power cycle devices.

Thanks,

Robert

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:26 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
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> It's sad that Apple is so busy designing dongles and thinking about new 
> iPhones that making basic Mac software work as it should is not on the 
> table...

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Re: V17 R - Mojave compatibility

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Mitch,
I've been using 17R3 and recently R4 with Mojave with no issues. I'm not
doing production or using any fancy plugins with it but for general
development it's been fine.

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> Hi,
>
> I know that 17.1 is Mojave compatible.
> I am using 17R3. (I need some 4D WP features).
> Question: will there be an 17 R release that will be Mojave compatible or
> will I have to wait for v18?
>
> Thanks
>
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V17 R - Mojave compatibility

[Mitchell Shiller via 4D_Tech]

Hi, 

I know that 17.1 is Mojave compatible.
I am using 17R3. (I need some 4D WP features).
Question: will there be an 17 R release that will be Mojave compatible or will 
I have to wait for v18?

Thanks

Mitch

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Re: Mojave

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi Jim,

Thank you very much. That gives me some direction on what I’ll need to look for.

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> On Dec 4, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Good graphics - 32 bit 17HF3:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0a9ccw3f4mgkqlp/4D%2017.0.229909%2032bit.png?dl=0
> 
> Still missing some text - 64 bit 17HF3
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2ybk23gbjhw7d4/4D%2017.0.229909%2064bit.png?dl=0
> 
> Original v17.0 64 bit release - crazy text:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbblaypylkey4zn/4D%2017.0.225365%2064bit.png?dl=0
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Re: Mojave

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

We are creating various graphics using a combination of SVG, 4D HTML Tags,
and the Canvas plugin.

The SVG was originally created with Sketch on the Mac, then added HTML tags
and simplified the SVG.
We dynamically size and add text, then convert to a picture to be displayed
by Canvas.

We're only concerned about 32bit 4D for now - next year we will work on a
64bit client.
Also, we are 95% Windows, but needed a working Mac client.
We haven't investigated why some things work, and some don't - we have what
we need for now.

Good graphics - 32 bit 17HF3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0a9ccw3f4mgkqlp/4D%2017.0.229909%2032bit.png?dl=0

Still missing some text - 64 bit 17HF3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2ybk23gbjhw7d4/4D%2017.0.229909%2064bit.png?dl=0

Original v17.0 64 bit release - crazy text:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbblaypylkey4zn/4D%2017.0.225365%2064bit.png?dl=0


Jim


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> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you have more specific information about this issue?
>
> Thanks.
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> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> > We had a problem with SVG graphics in v17.0 on Mojave - fixed with v17
> HF3.
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Re: Mojave

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Thanks for the list, Miyako. Very helpful.

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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> ACI0098799On macOS 10.14.x (Mojave), unexpected white vertical line is 
> displayed in the Administration window.
> ACI0098805Unexpected error "Could not open the specified document because it 
> is already in use" when saving a 4D Write and 4D View file on disk on macOS 
> Mojave 10.14 .
> ACI0098908In the method editor, the frame of the auto-completion suggested 
> window is no more displayed. On macOS 10.14.x only (Mojave).
> ACI0098954Issues with images badly rendered in 4D on macOS 10.14.x (Mojave).

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Re: 4D Mojave full disk access

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Thanks for chiming in Keisuke.

Looks like this particular security protection included in Mojave should not be 
anything to worry about for general file access from 4D. 

Amin’s code is certainly good to keep around. Thanks again Amin!

John



> On Dec 3, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> full disk access on Mojave protect system directories that store private and 
> sensitive information,
> such as browser history, call history, geolocation, messages and contacts.
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/702
> 
> see slide #22 for full list
> 
> 2018/12/04 5:49、JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:
> does one still have access to and remain able to create and move files within 
> the database folder? What about 4D Backup to an external disk?
> 
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Re: 4D Mojave full disk access

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

full disk access on Mojave protect system directories that store private and 
sensitive information,
such as browser history, call history, geolocation, messages and contacts.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/702

see slide #22 for full list

2018/12/04 5:49、JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:
does one still have access to and remain able to create and move files within 
the database folder? What about 4D Backup to an external disk?


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Re: Mojave

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

Hello,

there are 4 Mojave related issues listed on the 17.0HF 4 fix list.

https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?version=17.0_HF4

ACI0098799On macOS 10.14.x (Mojave), unexpected white vertical line is 
displayed in the Administration window.
ACI0098805Unexpected error "Could not open the specified document because it is 
already in use" when saving a 4D Write and 4D View file on disk on macOS Mojave 
10.14 .
ACI0098908In the method editor, the frame of the auto-completion suggested 
window is no more displayed. On macOS 10.14.x only (Mojave).
ACI0098954Issues with images badly rendered in 4D on macOS 10.14.x (Mojave).

the first one sounds like an SVG issue.

> 2018/12/04 8:30、Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
> Do you have more specific information about this issue?




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Re: Mojave

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi Jim,

Do you have more specific information about this issue?

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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Jim Hays via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> We had a problem with SVG graphics in v17.0 on Mojave - fixed with v17 HF3.

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Re: Mojave

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

We had a problem with SVG graphics in v17.0 on Mojave - fixed with v17 HF3.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:47 PM Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <
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> Thanks John and Kirk. I appreciate the feedback. If anyone else has more
> information, feel free to chime in.
>
> Thanks.
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>
>
> > On Nov 30, 2018, at 9:59 AM, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had to convert all my pict format graphics, static and in the picture
> library.  Otherwise 4D would crash when a form containing one or more of
> them was displayed.
> >
> > 16R6.. client is experimenting with a couple of clients running Mojave.
> So far no complaints since fixing the pics. Not tried server yet.
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Re: 4D Mojave full disk access

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Armin,

Not sure what a DMS folder is, but does one still have access to and 
remain able to create and move files within the database folder? What about 4D 
Backup to an external disk?

Perhaps your code should be implemented just as a normal practice 
regardless.

John


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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:09 AM, ADeeg via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> 4D Tech mailing list wrote
>> Armin,
>>  Thanks! 
>> 
>>  Could you expand on what you mean by “full disk access”? In Mojave what
>> becomes inaccessible?
>> John
> 
> John, as an example. My App scans the emails from Apple Mail and shows them
> inside a Listbox to work with them (grab attachments, archieve to clients,
> reply,delete, ..) then I move them into a DMS folder. Without full disk
> access it does not work in the usual behaviour like on previous macOS.
> 
> Regards Armin
> 
> 
> 
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Re: 4D Mojave full disk access

[ADeeg via 4D_Tech]

4D Tech mailing list wrote
> Armin,
>   Thanks! 
> 
>   Could you expand on what you mean by “full disk access”? In Mojave what
> becomes inaccessible?
> John

John, as an example. My App scans the emails from Apple Mail and shows them
inside a Listbox to work with them (grab attachments, archieve to clients,
reply,delete, ..) then I move them into a DMS folder. Without full disk
access it does not work in the usual behaviour like on previous macOS.

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Re: 4D Mojave full disk access

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Armin,

Thanks! 

Could you expand on what you mean by “full disk access”? In Mojave what 
becomes inaccessible?

John



> On Dec 3, 2018, at 3:38 AM, ADeeg via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> if your app needs full disk access an macOS 10.14.x Mojave and newer, then
> the users have to grant the access for your 4D application.
> 
> 
> I use this to check the access privileges:
> 
> C_TEXT($in;$out;$err;$path)
> If ((<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.14") | (<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.15") |
> (<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.16"))
>   ARRAY TEXT($art_Text;0)
>   $path:=Replace string(System folder(Documents
> folder);"Documents";"Library")+"Safari:"
>   FOLDER LIST($path;$art_Text)
>   If (Size of array($art_Text)=0)
> ALERT("Bla Bla Bla need full disk access bla bla!")
>   $in:=""
>   $out:=""
>   $err:=""
>   SET ENVIRONMENT 
> VARIABLE("_4D_OPTION_BLOCKING_EXTERNAL_PROCESS";"false")
>   LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS("open
> x-apple.systempreferences:com.apple.preference.security?Privacy_AllFiles";$in;$out;$err)
>   End if 
> End if 
> 
> The second LEP call opens system preferences with the needed pane
> 
> Armin
> 
> 
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4D Mojave full disk access

[ADeeg via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

if your app needs full disk access an macOS 10.14.x Mojave and newer, then
the users have to grant the access for your 4D application.


I use this to check the access privileges:

C_TEXT($in;$out;$err;$path)
If ((<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.14") | (<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.15") |
(<>SystemVersion="Mac 10.16"))
ARRAY TEXT($art_Text;0)
$path:=Replace string(System folder(Documents
folder);"Documents";"Library")+"Safari:"
FOLDER LIST($path;$art_Text)
If (Size of array($art_Text)=0)
ALERT("Bla Bla Bla need full disk access bla bla!")
$in:=""
$out:=""
$err:=""
SET ENVIRONMENT 
VARIABLE("_4D_OPTION_BLOCKING_EXTERNAL_PROCESS";"false")
LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS("open
x-apple.systempreferences:com.apple.preference.security?Privacy_AllFiles";$in;$out;$err)
End if 
End if 

The second LEP call opens system preferences with the needed pane

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Re: Mojave

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Thanks John and Kirk. I appreciate the feedback. If anyone else has more 
information, feel free to chime in.

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> On Nov 30, 2018, at 9:59 AM, John Baughman via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I had to convert all my pict format graphics, static and in the picture 
> library.  Otherwise 4D would crash when a form containing one or more of them 
> was displayed.
> 
> 16R6.. client is experimenting with a couple of clients running Mojave. So 
> far no complaints since fixing the pics. Not tried server yet. 

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Re: Mojave

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Canon,
I haven't had any issues running v17 on Mojave. I'm not really doing
anything with v16 anymore so can't speak to that. v15 is mostly OK except
for issues with the web area.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 6:18 AM Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I don’t believe 4D has released a version that is fully compatible with
> Mojave, unless I missed an announcement. But I’m getting outside pressure
> to upgrade from Sierra to Mojave and may have to do it anyway. From what
> I’ve heard, v17 seems to work good enough for development at least in
> Mojave, but my main concern is v16r6. I’ll still need to do some
> development and building in that version for a couple months. Is anyone
> using that version in Mojave and could comment on how well it is working?
> (Comments about v17 in Mojave are also welcome.)
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Mojave

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

I am likewise curious about this ... and what about v13? We still have some
customers on that version. Will we need to maintain separate machines with
different versions of the OS installed?

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 14:18, Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> I don’t believe 4D has released a version that is fully compatible with
> Mojave, unless I missed an announcement. But I’m getting outside pressure
> to upgrade from Sierra to Mojave and may have to do it anyway. From what
> I’ve heard, v17 seems to work good enough for development at least in
> Mojave, but my main concern is v16r6. I’ll still need to do some
> development and building in that version for a couple months. Is anyone
> using that version in Mojave and could comment on how well it is working?
> (Comments about v17 in Mojave are also welcome.)
>
> Thanks!
>
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Mojave

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

I don’t believe 4D has released a version that is fully compatible with Mojave, 
unless I missed an announcement. But I’m getting outside pressure to upgrade 
from Sierra to Mojave and may have to do it anyway. From what I’ve heard, v17 
seems to work good enough for development at least in Mojave, but my main 
concern is v16r6. I’ll still need to do some development and building in that 
version for a couple months. Is anyone using that version in Mojave and could 
comment on how well it is working? (Comments about v17 in Mojave are also 
welcome.)

Thanks!

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Hill Spring, AB Canada
403-626-3236




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Re: TAOW (Mojave and CREATE THUMBNAIL)

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

TAOW is a support portal.

of course, a large portion of all support cases has an underlying bug,
but still, the primary objective there is to offer support.

partners who open a support case on TAOW,
has the advantage of communicating with a 4D member of staff.
the bug is prioritised because there is a support case attached.

---

now this is controversial,
but I really think "searching for an existing bug" is never going to work.

I happen to read every single bug report submitted every day,
but that is the only reason I know what is happening in 4D.

it is impossible to find a bug you do not know based on a combination of 
semantic key phrases,
because reports contain false assumptions all the time and the description is 
constantly updated.
also, it can be written in any language.

most of the time I search my emails using some identifier that has nothing to 
do with the bug itself,
I can pretty much find it effectively but only because I am already familiar 
with the context of that bug.

you can only look for "known knowns".

2018/11/27 7:26、JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

So I must be going to the wrong place to see the bug list. I always end up at 
taow.4d.com but only see my support cases.
I thought I could search the TAOW for reported issues before reporting my own. 
Is this not the case? If not, how?


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Re: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[Allan Udy via 4D_Tech]

Walt,

Sorry - haven't been reading the NUG for a couple of weeks -- did you 
ever solve this issue?


I had something very similar a few months back with v16 and a client who 
had upgraded his machine to High Sierra -- suddenly the app stopped 
working in a very similar way.


>From memory we had to recompile the app to 64-bit because the machine 
was running with an SSD (instead of a standard hard disk), and when the 
OS update was installed it converted the file system on the SSD to Apple 
File System (*APFS*) -- from our testing this was not 32-bit compatible 
and we were getting 'Can't open database "DatabaseName.4DC"' errors.



Cheers, Allan Udy Golden Micro Solutions Ltd, Blenheim, New Zealand 
http://www.golden.co.nz<http://www.golden.co.nz>




4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote on 6/11/18 1:36 AM:

From: Walt Nelson
To: Dani Beaubien via4D_Tech<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject:4D  v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave


I have built a stand-alone Application v16.4 database on a Mac OS machine 
running High Sierra (10.13.6).

I successfully create an empty datafile and run it on the same High Sierra 
(10.13.6) machine.

I transfer the entire stand-alone built database to a laptop running Mojave 
(10.14).

When opening that database, I get the following error: ‘You cannot open this 
database because the data file (or one of its segments) is locked.’ with an OK 
button.

Click OK. Get a runtime error showing:

ErrorCan't open database “DatabaseName.4DC".

Error code: -10509
Can't open database "DatabaseName.4DC".
component: '4DRT'
task -1, name: 'Application process’




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Re: TAOW (Mojave and CREATE THUMBNAIL)

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Keisuke.

So I must be going to the wrong place to see the bug list. I always end up at 
taow.4d.com but only see my support cases. 

I thought I could search the TAOW for reported issues before reporting my own. 
Is this not the case? If not, how?

Thanks,

John


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> for reference: ACI0098954
> 
> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?Version=17.0_HF4
> 
> 2018/11/25 18:18、Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
> it is already registered and fixed in the latest nightly build.
> problem only manifests if the width is a multiple of 4.
> 
> 
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Re: TAOW (Mojave and CREATE THUMBNAIL)

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

for reference: ACI0098954

https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?Version=17.0_HF4

2018/11/25 18:18、Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
it is already registered and fixed in the latest nightly build.
problem only manifests if the width is a multiple of 4.



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Re: TAOW (Mojave and CREATE THUMBNAIL)

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

it is already registered and fixed in the latest nightly build.

problem only manifests if the width is a multiple of 4.



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TAOW (Mojave and CREATE THUMBNAIL)

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

I want to see if this has already been reported but don’t see how to search for 
existing cases about Mac OS 10.14 in the TAOW.

Running 10.14.1 with 16R6 if I do…

CREATE THUMBNAIL($ImagePtr->;vThumbnail;98;120)

vThumbnail displays slanted to the left with what looks like multiple images. 
At the risk of dating myself, it looks like an old TV who’s vertical control is 
FUBAR.

John



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Re: LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS, v15, on MacOS Mojave

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

for sure you can open word or excel documents.

what you can't do is specify which version of Word (if there are multiple 
installations) is launched.

2018/11/20 18:42、Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech 
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Yes, I could. But sometimes it concerns excel or word documents, so that 
wouldn’t work, at least not on a Mac. Or am I wrong?



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Re: LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS, v15, on MacOS Mojave

[Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech]

Hi Keisuke,

Yes, I could. But sometimes it concerns excel or word documents, so that 
wouldn’t work, at least not on a Mac. Or am I wrong?

Regards,

Rudy Mortier
Two Way Communications bvba 



> On 20 Nov 2018, at 05:54, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> could you not simply do
> 
> OPEN URL ($path)  //default app
> 
> OPEN URL ($path;"Preview") //specified app
> 
> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/OPEN-URL.301-3817577.en.html
> 
> 2018/11/19 22:56、Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
> 
> The syntax I use is:
> 
> LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS($command;$IN;$OUT;$ERROR)
> 
> where:
> 
> $command = “open 
> /Applications//Xpert_PRO/XPP_DOSSIER_FOLDER/DOS_Le18000142/MyPDFdocument.pdf”
> $IN = “”
> $OUT = “”
> $ERROR = “”
> 
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Re: LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS, v15, on MacOS Mojave

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

could you not simply do

OPEN URL ($path)  //default app

OPEN URL ($path;"Preview") //specified app

http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/OPEN-URL.301-3817577.en.html

2018/11/19 22:56、Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

The syntax I use is:

LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS($command;$IN;$OUT;$ERROR)

where:

$command = “open 
/Applications//Xpert_PRO/XPP_DOSSIER_FOLDER/DOS_Le18000142/MyPDFdocument.pdf”
$IN = “”
$OUT = “”
$ERROR = “”



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LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS, v15, on MacOS Mojave

[Two Way Communications via 4D_Tech]

A customer of mine recently upgraded his MacBook Pro to MacOS Mojave.

He is running a stand-alone 4D app, compiled with 4D v15.4. This app has been 
installed in the ‘Applications’ folder, which is not inside the 
/Users/Username/ folder, but in Macintosh HD/Applications.

Now, in the application, I allow the user to open documents (pdf, .docx, .jpg 
etc) using the document's native application.
In order to do that, I use LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS.

This worked perfectly until now. Now, In Mojave, it takes at least 30 seconds 
to open a pdf document. (in High Sierra, this was < 1 second)

The syntax I use is:

LAUNCH EXTERNAL PROCESS($command;$IN;$OUT;$ERROR)

where:

$command = “open 
/Applications//Xpert_PRO/XPP_DOSSIER_FOLDER/DOS_Le18000142/MyPDFdocument.pdf”
$IN = “”
$OUT = “”
$ERROR = “”

Has anyone else experienced this? Do I need to change the command in LEP?
Would it help if my customer moves the app to the folder ‘/Users / UserName / 
Applications’ ?

Since I don’t have Mojave installed on my Mac yet, I can’t actually test it. In 
fact, I don’t want to upgrade yet because I need to support 4D v15…


Regards,

Rudy Mortier
Two Way Communications bvba 

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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech]

Yes, you can set up colours for dark mode in the editor. Dark mode doesn’t 
affect the application windows, though. I expect they too can be faked, but 
these are things that an application which is configured to run under Mojave 
should do automatically when the appearance mode is changed.

Maybe v18.

Jeremy


> On 13 Nov 2018, at 20:49, Jim Medlen via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I went through the 4D preferences for Methods Styles and colors and set up a 
> Dark Theme set of colors.
> 
> The only thing is that 4D does not allow me to change the Highlight color, so 
> the system applies a light colored highlight to light text on a black 
> background unless I go to System preferences and change the highlight color.
> 
>> I’m slightly surprised there’s been no response to this from anyone at 4D. 
>> Dark mode is a pleasant environment in which to write code and it’s curious 
>> that 4D seems not to support it.
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
> 
> On 6 Nov 2018, at 0
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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jim Medlen via 4D_Tech]

From: 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> on behalf 
of "4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com" 
<4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com>
Reply-To: <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 3:00 PM
To: <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: 4D_Tech Digest, Vol 138, Issue 25

I went through the 4D preferences for Methods Styles and colors and set up a 
Dark Theme set of colors.

The only thing is that 4D does not allow me to change the Highlight color, so 
the system applies a light colored highlight to light text on a black 
background unless I go to System preferences and change the highlight color.

I’m slightly surprised there’s been no response to this from anyone at 4D. Dark 
mode is a pleasant environment in which to write code and it’s curious that 4D 
seems not to support it.

Jeremy


On 6 Nov 2018, at 08:31, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
Is there a way of getting applications built in v17 - and indeed v17 itself - 
to honour dark mode?
Jeremy

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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

You can set up your own dark mode to write code. 

> On Nov 13, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m slightly surprised there’s been no response to this from anyone at 4D. 
> Dark mode is a pleasant environment in which to write code and it’s curious 
> that 4D seems not to support it.
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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech]

I’m slightly surprised there’s been no response to this from anyone at 4D. Dark 
mode is a pleasant environment in which to write code and it’s curious that 4D 
seems not to support it.

Jeremy


> On 6 Nov 2018, at 08:31, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way of getting applications built in v17 - and indeed v17 itself - 
> to honour dark mode?
> 
> Jeremy
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Re: Mac Mojave and v17?

[Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech]

Thanks for the feedback Randy and Jeff.

I sounds like there are some interface issues to be resolved. This
will be the server, and most all the clients will still be on 10.13. I
was surprise 4D was not certified for 10.14. It must take some time.

Dave
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:32 PM Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> 4D (v17 and all the way back to v13.5) is having some issues with an internal 
> MacOS drawing routine that is causing funkiness in:
> 1) ALP plugin drawing vertical text, the separator lines get a little 
> “squiggle” to them
> 2) ALP drawing checkboxes in a boolean column
> 3) SOME, not all, pictures displayed in the Toolbox Resources/Images 
> viewer don’t get drawn properly in the toolbox or on forms
>
> I’ve already submitted a bug with 4D tech support related to this.
>
> The 2 ALP issues are something tied to an internal plugin call, so it’s out 
> of their hands…they have to wait for 4D to fix it.
>
> This drawing issue appeared in the later versions of Mojave beta, about 2 
> weeks before the official release.
>
> It’s definitely something changed in MacOS that 4D has been using internally 
> for many years.
>
> Randy
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>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Nothing too serious in my experience. There's some odd flickering when you 
> > resize windows, but I haven't had any functionality issues.
> >
> >> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech 
> >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with this? I just picked up one of the new
> >> 6 core Mac Minis with 32GB of RAM. Just wondering if anyone is aware
> >> of any gotcha's or issues. I'll be running 64bit v17 apps and one v17
> >> 32bit app.
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Re: Mac Mojave and v17?

[Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech]

4D (v17 and all the way back to v13.5) is having some issues with an internal 
MacOS drawing routine that is causing funkiness in:
1) ALP plugin drawing vertical text, the separator lines get a little 
“squiggle” to them
2) ALP drawing checkboxes in a boolean column
3) SOME, not all, pictures displayed in the Toolbox Resources/Images 
viewer don’t get drawn properly in the toolbox or on forms

I’ve already submitted a bug with 4D tech support related to this.

The 2 ALP issues are something tied to an internal plugin call, so it’s out of 
their hands…they have to wait for 4D to fix it.

This drawing issue appeared in the later versions of Mojave beta, about 2 weeks 
before the official release.

It’s definitely something changed in MacOS that 4D has been using internally 
for many years. 

Randy

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> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>> wrote:
> 
> Nothing too serious in my experience. There's some odd flickering when you 
> resize windows, but I haven't had any functionality issues.
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
>> <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with this? I just picked up one of the new
>> 6 core Mac Minis with 32GB of RAM. Just wondering if anyone is aware
>> of any gotcha's or issues. I'll be running 64bit v17 apps and one v17
>> 32bit app.

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Re: Mac Mojave and v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Nothing too serious in my experience. There's some odd flickering when you 
resize windows, but I haven't had any functionality issues.

> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this? I just picked up one of the new
> 6 core Mac Minis with 32GB of RAM. Just wondering if anyone is aware
> of any gotcha's or issues. I'll be running 64bit v17 apps and one v17
> 32bit app.

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Mac Mojave and v17?

[Dave Nasralla via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Anyone have any experience with this? I just picked up one of the new
6 core Mac Minis with 32GB of RAM. Just wondering if anyone is aware
of any gotcha's or issues. I'll be running 64bit v17 apps and one v17
32bit app.

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Re: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

You need to check permissions all the way up the chain. Try putting data
file in a shared folder. Also you need to check more than just data file,
but all (index, etc.

Regards
Chuck

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:57 AM David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Walt,
>
> The first thing that came to me was that it seems like a permissions
> problem.
>
> If you can figure out the path the data file writing, try a variety of
> permissions settings for that location, file, user, application….
>
> On this topic, Stackoverflow may help more than this nug.
>
> David Ringsmuth
>
> From: Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:30 PM
> To: Dani Beaubien via 4D_Tech
> Cc: Walt Nelson
> Subject: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave
>
> Folks,
>
> I have built a stand-alone Application v16.4 database on a Mac OS machine
> running High Sierra (10.13.6).
>
> I successfully create an empty datafile and run it on the same High Sierra
> (10.13.6) machine.
>
> I transfer the entire stand-alone built database to a laptop running
> Mojave (10.14).
>
> When opening that database, I get the following error: ‘You cannot open
> this database because the data file (or one of its segments) is locked.’
> with an OK button.
>
> Click OK.
>
> Get a runtime error showing:
>
> Error
>
> Can't open database “DatabaseName.4DC".
>
> Error code: -10509
> Can't open database "DatabaseName.4DC".
> component: '4DRT'
> task -1, name: 'Application process’
>
> When I check the permissions on that file, it is read/write.
>
> Anyone getting a built stand-alone Application for v16.4 to run in Mojave?
>
> Thanks,
> Walt
>
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RE: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

Walt,

The first thing that came to me was that it seems like a permissions problem.

If you can figure out the path the data file writing, try a variety of 
permissions settings for that location, file, user, application….

On this topic, Stackoverflow may help more than this nug.

David Ringsmuth

From: Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:30 PM
To: Dani Beaubien via 4D_Tech
Cc: Walt Nelson
Subject: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

Folks,

I have built a stand-alone Application v16.4 database on a Mac OS machine 
running High Sierra (10.13.6).

I successfully create an empty datafile and run it on the same High Sierra 
(10.13.6) machine.

I transfer the entire stand-alone built database to a laptop running Mojave 
(10.14).

When opening that database, I get the following error: ‘You cannot open this 
database because the data file (or one of its segments) is locked.’ with an OK 
button.

Click OK.

Get a runtime error showing:

Error

Can't open database “DatabaseName.4DC".

Error code: -10509
Can't open database "DatabaseName.4DC".
component: '4DRT'
task -1, name: 'Application process’

When I check the permissions on that file, it is read/write.

Anyone getting a built stand-alone Application for v16.4 to run in Mojave?

Thanks,
Walt

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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech]

Me, or 4Dv17?

Jeremy


> On 6 Nov 2018, at 15:51, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Read more Nietzsche?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:31 AM Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way of getting applications built in v17 - and indeed v17
>> itself - to honour dark mode?
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Re: Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Read more Nietzsche?

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:31 AM Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech <
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> Is there a way of getting applications built in v17 - and indeed v17
> itself - to honour dark mode?
>
> Jeremy
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Mojave, dark mode and v17

[Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech]

Is there a way of getting applications built in v17 - and indeed v17 itself - 
to honour dark mode?

Jeremy
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Re: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech]

Koen,

Yes, I did do that. Transferred using AirDrop between the two machines.

Were you able to get the Built App to launch successfully? Anyone else?

Thanks,
Walt


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:59 PM, Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:
> 
> In the past I experienced a similar issue. Seems to be a some kind of 
> permissions problem. Could you try to zip your app, transfer the zip to your 
> MacBook and unzip it on that machine.

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Re: 4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech]

Hi Walt,

In the past I experienced a similar issue. Seems to be a some kind of 
permissions problem. Could you try to zip your app, transfer the zip to your 
MacBook and unzip it on that machine.

HTH
Koen

> Op 5 nov. 2018, om 02:30 heeft Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> I have built a stand-alone Application v16.4 database on a Mac OS machine 
> running High Sierra (10.13.6).
> 
> I successfully create an empty datafile and run it on the same High Sierra 
> (10.13.6) machine.
> 
> I transfer the entire stand-alone built database to a laptop running Mojave 
> (10.14).
> 
> When opening that database, I get the following error: ‘You cannot open this 
> database because the data file (or one of its segments) is locked.’ with an 
> OK button.
> 




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4D v16.4 Built database won't open in Mojave

[Walt Nelson via 4D_Tech]

Folks,

I have built a stand-alone Application v16.4 database on a Mac OS machine 
running High Sierra (10.13.6).

I successfully create an empty datafile and run it on the same High Sierra 
(10.13.6) machine.

I transfer the entire stand-alone built database to a laptop running Mojave 
(10.14).

When opening that database, I get the following error: ‘You cannot open this 
database because the data file (or one of its segments) is locked.’ with an OK 
button.

Click OK.

Get a runtime error showing:

Error

Can't open database “DatabaseName.4DC".

Error code: -10509
Can't open database "DatabaseName.4DC".
component: '4DRT'
task -1, name: 'Application process’

When I check the permissions on that file, it is read/write.

Anyone getting a built stand-alone Application for v16.4 to run in Mojave?

Thanks,
Walt

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Re: 4D v17 & macOS Mojave beta

[Jim Crate via 4D_Tech]

On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:05 PM, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:

> One of my client’s decided to upgrade a computer to Mojave and reported that 
> 4D was creating.
> 
> I think I have narrowed down the problem at least for my application. It 
> looks like any form that has static pictures or maybe even picture buttons 
> causes 4D to crash both in the design environment as soon as you select it in 
> the Explorer as well as when the form is opened during run time.
> 
> If I go through all my forms in the design environment, the only ones that 
> crash 4D have at least one picture in it.
> 
> This is 4D 16R6 32bit interpreted. I have not taken the time yet to convert 
> all my pictures in this database for compatibility
> With 64bit 4D. Was waiting until I was ready to convert to 64bit. I suspect 
> this may the the root of the problem.
> 
> I also suspect this is the reason another thread reported crashes while 
> trying to compile.
> 
> I would be interested to here from those that are running on Mojave 
> successfully if they have any forms with pictures in their forms that have 
> not been made 64bit compatible.

In v16 64-bit, I’ve seen a few forms with broken button images, that may be 
related to picture conversion, although I thought I had fixed them all *. I 
haven’t used the structure on Mojave with v16 32-bit. So if you use the 64-bit 
v17, you may be able to access those form without crashing, although the 
pictures won’t load.

* I also deleted a couple sets of buttons that were duplicated, so it might be 
related to that too.

I have noticed that parts of the method and form editor windows flash when 
dragged in Mojave.

Jim Crate

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Re: 4D v17 & macOS Mojave beta

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

One of my client’s decided to upgrade a computer to Mojave and reported that 4D 
was creating.

I think I have narrowed down the problem at least for my application. It looks 
like any form that has static pictures or maybe even picture buttons causes 4D 
to crash both in the design environment as soon as you select it in the 
Explorer as well as when the form is opened during run time.

If I go through all my forms in the design environment, the only ones that 
crash 4D have at least one picture in it.

This is 4D 16R6 32bit interpreted. I have not taken the time yet to convert all 
my pictures in this database for compatibility
With 64bit 4D. Was waiting until I was ready to convert to 64bit. I suspect 
this may the the root of the problem.

I also suspect this is the reason another thread reported crashes while trying 
to compile.

I would be interested to here from those that are running on Mojave 
successfully if they have any forms with pictures in their forms that have not 
been made 64bit compatible.

John


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> On Aug 24, 2018, at 5:30 PM, cswirth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm running v17 standalone and remote on Mojave with no issues...
> 
> Scott Wirth
> 
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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Balinder Walia via 4D_Tech]

+1 to Virtualbox, it is highly configurable and can be automated using
simple config files...to setup perfect dev environment, networking etc.

Balinder

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 22:17, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> I highly recommend Oracle VirtualBox it’s FREE and I have found it
> far easier to setup and maintain than either VMWAre or Parallels. Oracle
> does a great job of keeping it updated. Just had an update this morning.
>
> I am currently running Windows 2008 Server 32bit and 64bit,
> Windows 7 and Windows 10. Passing files between the Mac the VMs is seamless
> and running 4D Client/Server in any combination between multiple VMs and
> the Mac works flawlessly.
>
> I can’t say enough about how good and reliable it is. None of the
> never ending hassles I had furs with Parallels then VMWare.
>
> John
>
>
> John Baughman
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>
> > On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > i,
> > I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not
> particularly
> > moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up
> > with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that
> > older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external
> drive
> >> as
> >>> a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that
> for
> >>> working with a v11 db. Just a thought.
> >>
> >> Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is
> not
> >> breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can
> install
> >> both client and server in virtual machine.
> >>
> >> Milan
> >>
> >>
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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Kirk,

I highly recommend Oracle VirtualBox it’s FREE and I have found it far 
easier to setup and maintain than either VMWAre or Parallels. Oracle does a 
great job of keeping it updated. Just had an update this morning. 

I am currently running Windows 2008 Server 32bit and 64bit,  Windows 7 
and Windows 10. Passing files between the Mac the VMs is seamless and running 
4D Client/Server in any combination between multiple VMs and the Mac works 
flawlessly. 

I can’t say enough about how good and reliable it is. None of the never 
ending hassles I had furs with Parallels then VMWare. 

John


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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> i,
> I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not particularly
> moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up
> with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that
> older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive
>> as
>>> a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for
>>> working with a v11 db. Just a thought.
>> 
>> Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not
>> breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install
>> both client and server in virtual machine.
>> 
>> Milan
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Milan,
I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not particularly
moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up
with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that
older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive
> as
> > a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for
> > working with a v11 db. Just a thought.
>
> Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not
> breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install
> both client and server in virtual machine.
>
> Milan
>
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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech]

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive as
> a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for
> working with a v11 db. Just a thought.

Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not 
breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install 
both client and server in virtual machine.

Milan


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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

I'm using v15.6,.5,.4 every day without those sorts of issues. Including 4D
server. It's probably not 4D itself, some other interaction.
On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive as
a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for
working with a v11 db. Just a thought.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:31 PM macjimbo via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> I just tried running 4D 15.6 (4D, not a built app) on a Mac with Mojave and it
> just crashed on launch.
>

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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech]

I’ve got a fairly complicated db in 15.4 that I can open ok and use as needed 
until It bails on ALP use. The client is budgeting for an update.


> On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:31 PM, macjimbo via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I just tried running 4D 15.6 (4D, not a built app) on a Mac with Mojave and
> it just crashed on launch.

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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[macjimbo via 4D_Tech]

I just tried running 4D 15.6 (4D, not a built app) on a Mac with Mojave and
it just crashed on launch.

I'm not using Webkit, in fact I only launched it with the standard plugins.

So I don't really know what to do, other than start down the 4D upgrade
route which I was hoping to put off for a while in case it takes a whole
load of development time which I don't have right now.

Does anyone else have experience of 15.6 & Mac OS 10.14 - good or bad?

TIA



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Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

James,
It works mostly.

WebKit is completely horked so things like the Welcome Wizard and any other
web areas that use the WebKit are screwed. They are still active, though.
For example, if you click on the blank Welcome Wizard in a space where an
active link is it still works. Not necessarily a good thing.

You can turn off WebKit and if you aren't using 'Access 4D Methods' that's
fine. However, if your app is also running on Windows 10 machines they
won't run the v15 web areas natively, at least ours didn't. My solution was
to duplicate the affected forms, configure one for Mac and one for Windows
and display accordingly.

Do not expect any v15 updates - v15 is officially sunseted by 4D.

I haven't noticed any other performance issues. Cosmetically the window
placement with multiple monitors seems fussy. But so far every v15 database
I tried to open has.

I haven't tried running it on a Mac server like you are. I have run server
on my dev machine for testing but not compiled, as I think about it. Have
you tried opening an un-compiled version on the Mini? Might let you see an
error message before it crashes. You may need to recompile for 64 bit if
it's not already. Take a look at the compatibility settings. Components and
plugins would be the next things I'd check.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 5:21 AM James Knight via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if 4D 15 will work on Mojave?
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Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15

[James Knight via 4D_Tech]

Hi folks 

Does anyone know if 4D 15 will work on Mojave?

We've just purchased a new Mac Mini with Mojave pre-installed, and our built 
application crashes on launch. Before I spend hours troubleshooting, would be 
helpful to know if anyone has 4D v15 working on Mojave at all, and in 
particular if a compiled/merged app will run. 

Thanks!
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Re: 4D v17 & macOS Mojave beta

[cswirth via 4D_Tech]

I'm running v17 standalone and remote on Mojave with no issues...

Scott Wirth



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4D v17 & macOS Mojave beta

[James Brown via 4D_Tech]

Has anyone tried 4D v17.0 client on macOS Mojave?

Just curious - I get a -10509 ‘Can’t open database’ runtime error when I try.

Thanks,

James.
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Mojave and v15 / v16

[Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Has anyone been able to do any testing with the Mojave beta and v15/v16 in 32 
bit mode?

I’d appreciate any feedback.


Thanks,


Paul
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