Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-23 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
On Nov 22, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:

> listbox columns etc are saved -- does this include list boxes that are 
> dynamically built?
> i.e. are simply empty place holders in the designer environment?

Hi Chip,

I do not know. I’ve always built list boxes with the form editor and using the 
Properties palette. 

My guess is no. Thinking like a programmer when it is time to load a form you 
grab the form definition from the structure and then deal with it. If you have 
a saved window bounds/geometry you apply that to the form definition you loaded 
and then let the “On Load” form method event run. That’s thinking from a 
programmer/software engineer point of view. 

You are gonna have to test it to know for sure.

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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-22 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
Tim,
listbox columns etc are saved -- does this include list boxes that are 
dynamically built?
i.e. are simply empty place holders in the designer environment?

Chip

> On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:48 PM, John DeSoi  wrote:
> 
>> I'm happy there is a simpler work-around than finding some obscure 
>> file to delete. But it would be better if 4D just fixed the issue. 
>> If you use multiple monitors and change configurations this is an 
>> ongoing issue. Other Mac applications have no problems, but I'm 
>> often surprised by how 4D windows end up. I try to remember to quit 
>> 4D before unplugging my external monitor because of all the problems.
> 
> I agree John. It would be great if a 4D engineer that has multiple 
> monitors and also a laptop were assigned the task of updating their 
> code to be more defensive about where it opened windows. Checking the 
> window rect to see if it will be fully displayed with the current 
> monitor configuration, making sure windows don’t appear partially 
> offscreen, etc. I’ve been doing this for years in my own “OpenWindow
> ” method and it’s a lot of work, but it can be done. And there are 
> complications to make it work well on both macOS and Windows.
> 
> But I am now abandoning using my OpenWindow method and I’m now using 
> a new method called “OpenFormWindow” that relies on the “save 
> geometry” option so that windows remember where the user positioned 
> them and how they configured listbox columns, splitters, etc. 
> 
> It’s a great 4D feature that you can use by simply checking a 
> checkbox for a form and using the “Open form window” command. They 
> just need to add a bit more polish to it and then we can enjoy using 
> it without these “edge case” problems. I can’t do the work I was 
> doing with my OpenWindow method because now 4D is in full control of 
> where to position a new window. I have to trust them that they will 
> do a good job. Sometimes they let me down. :(
> 
> This secret command key will help my users when this situation 
> occurs. I can now tell them to just hold down the shift key before 
> they select a menu item. 
> 
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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-22 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
I got 2 new monitors at work, moved from 22" -> 24" 
Now... windows that were previously (or never) opened on the 22" monitor now 
opens so that 1/2 is on one screen and 1/2 on the other...   

Chip

> I'm happy there is a simpler work-around than finding some obscure 
> file to delete. But it would be better if 4D just fixed the issue. If 
> you use multiple monitors and change configurations this is an 
> ongoing issue. Other Mac applications have no problems, but I'm often 
> surprised by how 4D windows end up. I try to remember to quit 4D 
> before unplugging my external monitor because of all the problems.
> 
> John DeSoi, Ph.D.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2018, at 6:47 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much for telling everyone about this keyboard fix. And I’
>> m sure it’s probably documented somewhere with a single sentence 
>> that most of us never bothered to read. 
>> 
>> As least now we all know… when a 4D window opens in a stupid 
>> location, close it and then open it again with the shift key down to 
>> fix it. A simple, elegant solution. No more wandering to the 
>> preferences folder and deleting a file to fix it. 
>> 
>> Do we know what version this was implemented in?
>> 
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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-21 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:48 PM, John DeSoi  wrote:

> I'm happy there is a simpler work-around than finding some obscure file to 
> delete. But it would be better if 4D just fixed the issue. If you use 
> multiple monitors and change configurations this is an ongoing issue. Other 
> Mac applications have no problems, but I'm often surprised by how 4D windows 
> end up. I try to remember to quit 4D before unplugging my external monitor 
> because of all the problems.

I agree John. It would be great if a 4D engineer that has multiple monitors and 
also a laptop were assigned the task of updating their code to be more 
defensive about where it opened windows. Checking the window rect to see if it 
will be fully displayed with the current monitor configuration, making sure 
windows don’t appear partially offscreen, etc. I’ve been doing this for years 
in my own “OpenWindow” method and it’s a lot of work, but it can be done. And 
there are complications to make it work well on both macOS and Windows.

But I am now abandoning using my OpenWindow method and I’m now using a new 
method called “OpenFormWindow” that relies on the “save geometry” option so 
that windows remember where the user positioned them and how they configured 
listbox columns, splitters, etc. 

It’s a great 4D feature that you can use by simply checking a checkbox for a 
form and using the “Open form window” command. They just need to add a bit more 
polish to it and then we can enjoy using it without these “edge case” problems. 
I can’t do the work I was doing with my OpenWindow method because now 4D is in 
full control of where to position a new window. I have to trust them that they 
will do a good job. Sometimes they let me down. :(

This secret command key will help my users when this situation occurs. I can 
now tell them to just hold down the shift key before they select a menu item. 

Tim

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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-21 Thread John DeSoi via 4D_Tech 
I'm happy there is a simpler work-around than finding some obscure file to 
delete. But it would be better if 4D just fixed the issue. If you use multiple 
monitors and change configurations this is an ongoing issue. Other Mac 
applications have no problems, but I'm often surprised by how 4D windows end 
up. I try to remember to quit 4D before unplugging my external monitor because 
of all the problems.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.


> On Nov 21, 2018, at 6:47 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much for telling everyone about this keyboard fix. And I’m sure 
> it’s probably documented somewhere with a single sentence that most of us 
> never bothered to read. 
> 
> As least now we all know… when a 4D window opens in a stupid location, close 
> it and then open it again with the shift key down to fix it. A simple, 
> elegant solution. No more wandering to the preferences folder and deleting a 
> file to fix it. 
> 
> Do we know what version this was implemented in?
> 

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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-21 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
On Nov 21, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Garri Ogata wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Thanks for all the tips. I ended up using the shift key when opening the 
> explorer window. That was a nice quick fix.
> 
> And I've added the tech tip to my code base and ran it also.
> 
> Thanks again for the help.
> 
> And Happy T-Day to everyone.

Garri is back! Seems like a long time since I saw any posts from you on the 
iNUG.

Tim

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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-21 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
On Nov 21, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Keisuke Miyako wrote:

> or, just close the Explorer and bring it back while holding down the shift 
> key.
> 
> Open form window (...;*) window bounds are reset with the shift key.

Thanks so much for telling everyone about this keyboard fix. And I’m sure it’s 
probably documented somewhere with a single sentence that most of us never 
bothered to read. 

As least now we all know… when a 4D window opens in a stupid location, close it 
and then open it again with the shift key down to fix it. A simple, elegant 
solution. No more wandering to the preferences folder and deleting a file to 
fix it. 

Do we know what version this was implemented in?

Tim

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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-21 Thread Garri Ogata via 4D_Tech 
Greetings,

Thanks for all the tips. I ended up using the shift key when opening the 
explorer window. That was a nice quick fix.

And I've added the tech tip to my code base and ran it also.

Thanks again for the help.

And Happy T-Day to everyone.

Garri



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Subject: Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

or, just close the Explorer and bring it back while holding down the shift key.

Open form window (...;*) window bounds are reset with the shift key.

2018/11/21 4:37、Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:

First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15” in 
your 4D folder.



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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
or, just close the Explorer and bring it back while holding down the shift key.

Open form window (...;*) window bounds are reset with the shift key.

2018/11/21 4:37、Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15” in 
your 4D folder.



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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech 
Didn’t know that one. Thanks
Regards and happy bird day to all but the birds;)

Regards

Chuck

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 2:42 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Gary:
>
> Getting rids of the window bounds file will do the trick but there's also
> the trick of holding down the Shift key as you open a window -
> http://kb.4d.com/assetid=78092
>
> Very handy, especially with V15.
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>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:37 AM Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15”
> > in your 4D folder.
> >
> > On Mac, this is
> > ~/Library/Application Support/4D/4D Window Bounds v15/
> >
> > In Windows it’s somewhere in the C:/ProgramData folder I think.
> >
> > Randy
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> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Garri Ogata via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > 4D v15.3 explorer is not displaying the bottom toolbar. There is no
> add,
> > minus (delete), or arrow for  preview or comments button. How do you get
> > these to reappear?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
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RE: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech 
Or use this code:

http://kb.4d.com/assetid=77586
Note: make sure the explorer is closed when running the code.

Or just hold SHIFT when opening the Explorer window to reset it.

-Tim




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First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15” in 
your 4D folder.

On Mac, this is
~/Library/Application Support/4D/4D Window Bounds v15/

In Windows it’s somewhere in the C:/ProgramData folder I think.

Randy

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> Hello,
>
> 4D v15.3 explorer is not displaying the bottom toolbar. There is no add, 
> minus (delete), or arrow for  preview or comments button. How do you get 
> these to reappear?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech 
Gary:

Getting rids of the window bounds file will do the trick but there's also
the trick of holding down the Shift key as you open a window -
http://kb.4d.com/assetid=78092

Very handy, especially with V15.
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> First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15”
> in your 4D folder.
>
> On Mac, this is
> ~/Library/Application Support/4D/4D Window Bounds v15/
>
> In Windows it’s somewhere in the C:/ProgramData folder I think.
>
> Randy
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>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Garri Ogata via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > 4D v15.3 explorer is not displaying the bottom toolbar. There is no add,
> minus (delete), or arrow for  preview or comments button. How do you get
> these to reappear?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Garri Ogata
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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech 
Ar bottom of method, you should be able to add a list

Regards
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> Hello,
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> these to reappear?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Explorer bottom toolbar not displaying...

2018-11-20 Thread Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech 
First guess is to quit 4D and throw out the folder "4D Window Bounds v15” in 
your 4D folder.

On Mac, this is
~/Library/Application Support/4D/4D Window Bounds v15/

In Windows it’s somewhere in the C:/ProgramData folder I think.

Randy

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