Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Wendy said ...So even if we adopt the abc2win approach to staff termination (not a bad idea), we don't even start to solve the problems with line wrapping. But hang on. We're not trying to solve all the problems in the world. Just the problems in ABC line wrapping. So how about this: Include some mark at the beginning of the piece so that we know what's coming up - say by terminating the X: line with ! Then the rule would be to ignore all line ends until we see !! to mark the end of the piece. That could be in the form !! or ! ! or even ! I'm in two minds as to whether a space (as opposed to a linend should be allowed between. It's sometimes nice to be able to include a blank line in the printed music somehow. For consistency, terminate all the fields in the header with ! Line ends are then logically optional, but omitting them should be deprecated (on the grounds of readability for humans). X:23! T:Bang! K:C #!C #dim[^CEG_ B^c]! ! Oops - sorry - the e-mail fiend seems to have mangled that. It should have been X:23! T:Bang! K:C#! C#dim[^CEG_B^c]!! Laurie Griffiths http://www.musements.co.uk/muse where you will find music notation software for PCs. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Laurie Griffiths wrote: For consistency, terminate all the fields in the header with ! Line ends are then logically optional, but omitting them should be deprecated (on the grounds of readability for humans). snip X:23! T:Bang! K:C#! C#dim[^CEG_B^c]!! What about U:s=!D.S.! U:O=!coda! (from John Atchley's 101best.abc, included in jaabc2ps) or !something!s within a tune? -- bert van vreckem If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait! He does! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Laurie wrote: For consistency, terminate all the fields in the header with ! Line ends are then logically optional, but omitting them should be deprecated (on the grounds of readability for humans). It would have been nice to have something like this from the start, but introducing it now would pose all kinds of compatibility nproblems. One thing I thought of is to introduce a checksum in the header somewhere. If the checksum doesn't match the tune you know that it's been mangled (or even edited by hand). Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Does anybody kow this ballad?
Perhaps a little digression from all the serious talk recently. A few weeks ago I suddenly realized that the title track of Pentangle's Cruel Sister is the same (rather grotesque) story as Harpen, one of the best known Norwegian medieval ballads. Obviously, neither Pentangle's version nor the official Norwegian are originals - Pentangle's is clearly late 16th Century, while the ones you find in Norwegian collections are even more recent. Also, the ballad seems to have some stylistic traits that suggest it's neither British nor Norwegian originally. Does anybody have any information about the ballad? Frank Nordberg --- Here's the Pentangle ballad. My stone disk player is a bit unreliable at the moment, so I had to write down the music from memory, but I think I got it right. Oh, and by the way - this one is sure to get messed up in the e mail. But I couldn't find *any* way to get the words through in a way that abc2ps could figure out :-( X:1 T:Cruel sister C:anon. O:Scotland? N:Based on Pentangle's recording (written down from memory) Z:Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com M:3/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=88 K:Dm %Verses 1 and 3: z A, DE|DmFF EF GF|AE3 z FG|FA2AG Ac|AA2zA AG| w:There lived a lad-y by the North Sea shore. (Lay the bent to the bon-nie broom) Two daught-ers DmF3(E/F/) GF|CE3 z DmD E/F/|CGF EC DmDE|DmD2|] w:were the_ babes she bore (Fa la la la la la la la la la) %Other verses: z A, DE|DmF3(E/F/) GF|AE3 z FG|FA2AG Ac|AA2zA AG| w:As one grew bright as in the sun, (Lay the bent to the bon-nie broom) so coal black DmF3(E/F/) GF|CE3 z DmD E/F/|CGF EC DmDE|DmD2|] w:grew the_ oth-er one. (Fa la la la la la la la la la) W: W:There lived a lady by the North Sea shore. W: Lay the bent to the bonnie broom W:Two daughters were the babes she bore. W: Fa la la la la la la la la la W: W:As one grew bright as in the sun, W:so coal black grew the other one. W: W:A knight came riding to the lady's door. W:He'd travelled far to be their wooer. W: W:He courted one with gloves and rings, W:but loved the other above all things. W: W:Oh sister will you go with me W:to watch the ships sail on the sea? W: W:She took her sister by the hand W:and led her down to the North Sea strand. W: W:And as they stood on the windy shore, W:the dark girl threw her sister o'er. W: W:Sometimes she sank, sometimes she swam, W:crying sister, reach to me your hand. W: W:Oh sister, sister let me live, W:and all that's mine I'll surely give. W: W:It's your truelove I'll have and more, W:but thou shalt never come ashore. W: W:And there she floated like a swan. W:The salt sea bore her body on. W: W:Two minstrels walked along the strand W:and saw the maiden float to land. W: W:They made a harp of her breast bone W:whose sound would melt a heart of stone. W: W:They took three locks of her yellow hair W:and with them strung the harp so rare. W: W:They went into her father's hall W:to play the harp before them all. W: W:But as they laid it on a stone, W:the harp began to play alone. W: W:The first string sang a doleful sound; W:The bride her younger sister drwoned. W: W:The second string as that they tried, W:in terror sits the black-haired bride. W: W:The third string sang beneath their bow, W:and surely now her tears will flow. --- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #506
abcusers-digest wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:38:30 UTC From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software (was:midi2abc [was: Wanted: ABC transcription...]) One abc2win thing that I've argued should be added to abc: It produces things like :|| and :|] and other illegal bar-line combinations. I'd like to see these legalized on the grounds that they are obvious and don't break anything. Also, there's the old advice to be liberal in what you accept and conservative in what you produce. At present, software should probably try not to produce such things, but should accept them. Is there any software that will take 'illegal' abc, do its best with it, and turn it into 'legal' abc? (possibly as a side-effect of what they do?)? Sally Whytehead To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abcm2ps Documentation
Greetings- I have been using abc2ps for a couple of months now to arrange brass quintet music. Recently, I stumbled across abcm2ps, which is said to handle multiple parts (and from some of the samples I would say it does quite well). My problem is that I can't find any documentation as how to use the features, other than some sample files to look through. Do any of you know of, or have, any? Also, are there any free tools to help me arrange the parts (I'm an a Windows 98 box, BTW). I looked at Harmony Assistant, and though it is a great tool, $65.00 is too much for my meager budget (and, yes, I *know* it's much cheaper than Encore, etc., but so am I :-). If not, I am still happy to code them with a simple text editor. Thanks for any help you can pass my way. Greg Lindstrom, B011-1149 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acxiom Corporation office: (501) 342-1626 InfoBase Products Development fax:(501) 336-3911 301 Industrial Blvd, Conway, AR, 72032 When the solution is simple, God has spoken Albert Einstein To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Does anybody kow this ballad?
Perhaps a little digression from all the serious talk recently. A few weeks ago I suddenly realized that the title track of Pentangle's Cruel Sister is the same (rather grotesque) story as Harpen, one of the best known Norwegian medieval ballads. Obviously, neither Pentangle's version nor the official Norwegian are originals - Pentangle's is clearly late 16th Century, while the ones you find in Norwegian collections are even more recent. Also, the ballad seems to have some stylistic traits that suggest it's neither British nor Norwegian originally. Does anybody have any information about the ballad? It's very well known. As far as I remember it's the first ballad listed in Child, there are lots and lots of versions and it's found in many languages (which, of course implies that it is extremely ancient). If nobody else posts any more detailed information, I'll look it up later and send you the info. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Does anybody kow this ballad?
OK, here's the info from Child. The Pentangle song seems to be a conflation of two Child ballads, #1 Riddles Wisely Expounded and #10 The Twa Sisters. The first few verses and the refrain are taken from #1 and the bulk of the story from #10. In #1 the Knight takes the youngest sister (of three) to bed, and in the morning makes her answer three riddles before he'll agree to marry her. In #10 the elder (ugly) sister murders the younger out of jealousy by drowning her. The body is washed ashore and discovered by a bunch of passing musicians who take various bits of her and make a musical instrument from it (as one does under those circumstances). Later, they play a gig at the elder sister's wedding and the instrument starts singing and blows the gaff on the murderess. According to Child, #10 is popular in Scandinavia, and he lists 12 versions from Norway, 10 from Denmark, 12 from Sweden, 2 from Iceland and 4 from Faroe. It's also been collected in Poland, Estonia and Slovakia. He gives English words for 21 (mostly Scots) versions. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps Documentation
Greg, I use abcm2ps and I think it is the best best (free) music typesetter available. The documentation is not very well organized, you just have to look at the samples, and in some cases the source code, to see what all the options are. I wrote a little how-to page for abcm2ps on http://www.formulus.com/hymns/How_to_Write_ABC.html. It is for SATB hymns. You might also like to try out MUPS at www.arkkra.com it is shareware which means the output has a watermark unless you pay $25. Another freebie is www.lilypond.org my impression of this is that it is more ambitious than abc, but it is much harder to use, especially on windows. At 07:37 AM 6/20/01 -0500, you wrote: Greetings- I have been using abc2ps for a couple of months now to arrange brass quintet music. Recently, I stumbled across abcm2ps, which is said to handle multiple parts (and from some of the samples I would say it does quite well). My problem is that I can't find any documentation as how to use the features, other than some sample files to look through. Do any of you know of, or have, any? Also, are there any free tools to help me arrange the parts (I'm an a Windows 98 box, BTW). I looked at Harmony Assistant, and though it is a great tool, $65.00 is too much for my meager budget (and, yes, I *know* it's much cheaper than Encore, etc., but so am I :-). If not, I am still happy to code them with a simple text editor. Thanks for any help you can pass my way. Greg Lindstrom, B011-1149 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acxiom Corporation office: (501) 342-1626 InfoBase Products Development fax:(501) 336-3911 301 Industrial Blvd, Conway, AR, 72032 When the solution is simple, God has spoken Albert Einstein To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html John Henckel alt. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zumbro Falls, Minnesota, USA (507) 753-2216 http://geocities.com/jdhenckel/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #506
Is there any software that will take 'illegal' abc, do its best with it, and turn it into 'legal' abc? (possibly as a side-effect of what they do?)? Certainly Muse will try - as a side effect. It patches up a number of defects points out others and ignores them and muddles on. I suspect that any other package that imports and exports ABC will do the same - there isn't much alternative! Laurie Griffiths http://www.musements.co.uk/muse where you will find music notation software for PCs. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Does anybody kow this ballad?
the title track of Pentangle's Cruel Sister is the same (rather grotesque) story as Harpen, one of the best known Norwegian medieval ballads. Obviously, neither Pentangle's version nor the official Norwegian are originals - Pentangle's is clearly late 16th Century, while the ones you find in Norwegian collections are even more recent. Also, the ballad seems to have some stylistic traits that suggest it's neither British nor Norwegian originally. Does anybody have any information about the ballad? Usually known in Scotland as The Twa Sisters o Binnorie - it's in every ballad collection you could shake a stick at. It's also the story of Mahler's cantata Das Klagende Lied; I think he got it from German folklore. I would guess it originated among the Germanic peoples some time in the pre-Christian Dark Ages at the very latest. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Phil Taylor writes: | Laurie wrote: | | For consistency, terminate all the fields in the header with ! Line ends | are then logically optional, but omitting them should be deprecated (on the | grounds of readability for humans). | | It would have been nice to have something like this from the start, but | introducing it now would pose all kinds of compatibility nproblems. Probably true. But there might be a better choice. As far as I know, the semicolon isn't yet used at all in abc, and this is the conventional separator char in all sorts of programming languages. Is there any reason we shouldn't adopt ';' as the terminator for header lines and music staffs? It should be pretty easy to implement. Lots of programming languages have a basic syntax of one line is one command, but then allow semicolons to put several commands on one line, and backslashes to put one command on several lines. There doesn't seem to be any obvious reason we couldn't extend abc to work the same way, and it wouldn't break any existing abc. Looking farther ahead, maybe we could persuade developers to slyly start sneaking semicolons into the abc whenever tunes are written or copied, and then after a while almost all the existing abc would have been silently converted. Then we could decree the newline an ignored char and we'd be free of the line-wrap problems. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
