Sv: [abcusers] online abc previewer
Atte André Jensen wrote: http://atte.dyndns.dk/lovsang/input.php Feel free to try it out and share any thoughts One problem (running NT and MSIE 5.5) is that the file vis_abc.php and/or out.png is not updated, but stays in the cache, so any changes I make in the abc are not shown until I hit the refresh button. - WebMail från Tele2 http://www.tele2.se - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Sv: [abcusers] online abc previewer
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:03:55 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem (running NT and MSIE 5.5) is that the file vis_abc.php and/or out.png is not updated, but stays in the cache, so any changes I make in the abc are not shown until I hit the refresh button. I put meta http-equiv=Pragma content=no-cache meta http-equiv=expires content=0 in the head section of vis_abc.php, is the problem gone? I'm on a linux box, and the only explorer I have is 4.0 and it works (and worked) there. However I cannot get my netscape 4.77 to not cache :-( -- peace, love harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: Sv: [abcusers] online abc previewer
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:22:45 +0100 Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipis the problem gone? Now I'm 99% sure that it's gone...??? -- peace, love harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] online abc previewer
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:04:43 + Dave Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. it displays the output in a new window. Personally, I don't like that; if I'd wanted it in a new window I would have done ctrl-click. Your way stops me from having the output in a separate tab in Mozilla. Hmmm, I've not settled 100% on this idea about displaying in another window yet, but I kinda like it. Maybe I'll change my mind... 2. it doesn't display the contents of the N: field (and possibly others; I didn't check). Can you add that? Done... Otherwise, the output is very nice indeed. Congratulations, and thanks! Thanks :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #838
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:52:10 UTC From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc in web pages Ray Davies wrote: | John Chambers wrote | | But then, some abc sites have disappeared. In a few cases, | I do wish I'd nabbed a copy first. | | Do you remember the sites or the filenames? Maybe someone has them sitting | on their harddrive. I've kept the URLs for some of them, commented out, in my search bot's list of starting places. Here's my list of URLs that used to return ABC but don't any more. I've removed a few that have moved and been found again, but for most of these, they just went away. # http://faeryland.tamu-commerce.edu/joyce/ # http://homepages.keme.com/~whistler/ # http://sally.roke.co.uk/SIB/abc/ # http://shiva.soltec.net/~daglenn/ # http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/Juergen.Gier/music.htm # http://www.akula.com/~blakeley/music/index.html # http://www.anzwers.com.au/ # http://www.best.com/~otter/tunes/ # http://www.continuo.freeserve.co.uk/ # http://www.grandunionmorris.co.uk/abc.htm # http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~tradsoc/archive/all.abc # http://www.redrival.com/tenpennybit/tunes.html # http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~shulman/music/ The content from http://www.grandunionmorris.co.uk/abc.htm can now be found at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/goldfrog/lester/tunes/gum.abc and my tune book at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/goldfrog/lester/tunes/session.abc. The Grand Union site disappeared when I parted company with them and joined another side. -- Lester Bailey www.lesterbailey.org www.aldburymorris.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] online abc previewer
I get this when I click on 'Vis'. I'm guessing it means someting like 'you lose': Fejl: To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicians and techies
On the other hand, that could be good for traditional musicians! Modern jazz (aka bebop) evolved partically out of a strange NYC tax on vocal music, that did not apply to instrumental music. Bert wrote: This means that a pub owner here has to pay nothing for a band that plays a traditional set, but he has to pay *twice* for playing cd's! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] BarFly for Mac OS X
I've put up a first rough beta version of BarFly Carbon, for all the folks who've been badgering me for an OS X version. You can download it from: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/BarFlyCarbon.hqx (It's not linked to the main site yet as I don't want new users to use this version.) It should run under any version of OS X, and should also run under earlier systems (back to 8.5) provided that CarbonLib is installed. It has only been tested under OS X 10.2.1 and under OS 9.2.2 with CarbonLib v1.6, so I will be especially interested to hear from anyone who runs it under different system or CarbonLib versions. This version is still unfinished; the printing routines are still to be written, but all the other functionality is present. There are a few nice interface enhancements, and a few things (mainly cosmetic), which ain't quite right yet. Please read the release notes for detailed info. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] BarFly for Mac OS X
Phil Taylor writes: | I've put up a first rough beta version of BarFly Carbon, for all the | folks who've been badgering me for an OS X version. You can download | it from: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/BarFlyCarbon.hqx Hmmm ... I'm getting more and more tempted to invest in a PowerBook with OSX. Now there's another reason. Actually, I've done a bit of digging, and have put it off because of not enough information to decide what to order. While my official excuse for buying one would be for professional software development reasons, I'm also interesting in something that could function as a portable musical tool. Maybe someone here knows more than I can get from apple.com. There's a lot of hype about the wonderful music support, but it all seems to be aimed at people who are downloading and playing musical recordings. This is interesting, of course, but it can be done on nearly anything these days. More interesting would be the ability to use the machine as a recording studio. I can tell that a PowerBook comes with a microphone, but I can't even tell from the specs whether it's mono or stereo. And, of course, I'd like to plug in N microphones, and it would be interesting to learn how large N can be. Can the sound studio software actually input N tracks from mics and play games with them? Or can it only download the N tracks from some other computer? Another topic that's hard to get straight info on is what can actually be done with the wireless ports. An anecdote might explain: A couple of months back, when it was still warm, I was at a dance camp out in the wilds of the Berkshires. At one point, someone asked how a tune went, and nobody could remember. So I whipped out my cell phone (a Kyocera smartphone that's also a Palm Pilot). I fired up its browser, which promptly made a connection to my Tune Finder. I found the tune, fetched the abc, and copied it over to the palmabc program that I'd installed. It started playing the tune through the tinny little speaker. People were incredibly impressed. It got me lots and lots of geek points. And we had the tune. This is feasible right now. If I'd had a PowerBook with its nifty wireless stuff, could it have handled the task? If so, I could have also displayed the music on a real screen that people could read, unlike the tiny window on my cell phone. But look as I might, I can't tell if there's a way to make the Mac connect to the Net like my cute little phone can. The Mac has a modem, yes, but it's apparently not wireless. The wireless stuff would likely be rejected by whatever phone company was there, because they don't really supply Internet access, of course; they just provide a phone line. And if your wireless gadget doesn't have a proper phone id, it won't get anywhere, no matter how good it is at doing Internet protocols. There seems to be no mention anywhere of the idea that the Mac might use the ubiquitous cell-phone system. Maybe I could use the Kyocera as a cellular modem, but the Mac comes with so much wireless hardware that it seems a shame not to use it. As far as I can tell, the only available answer is Buy one and see if it works. I'm not sure if I'm ready to invest that much money, just to find that it will only work when I'm at home. Sure would be useful, though. (And, since I'd use it for testing my day-job stuff, its price tag would be deductible. ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] online abc previewer
On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:55:19 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get this when I click on 'Vis'. I'm guessing it means someting like 'you lose': Fejl: It means Errors: and if nothing comes after it no errors were found. Ok, I know that even when we get past the fact that the thing speaks danish, this isn't very clear at all... Would be clearer if Fejl: was only present when there actually were any errors. More stuff to rethink, great! :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] BarFly for Mac OS X
Phil Taylor writes: | I've put up a first rough beta version of BarFly Carbon, for all the | folks who've been badgering me for an OS X version. You can download | it from: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/BarFlyCarbon.hqx Hmmm ... I'm getting more and more tempted to invest in a PowerBook with OSX. Now there's another reason. Actually, I've done a bit of digging, and have put it off because of not enough information to decide what to order. While my official excuse for buying one would be for professional software development reasons, I'm also interesting in something that could function as a portable musical tool. Maybe someone here knows more than I can get from apple.com. Well, I bought a new Titanium G4 Powerbook about a month ago, so I can answer some of your questions. There's a lot of hype about the wonderful music support, but it all seems to be aimed at people who are downloading and playing musical recordings. This is interesting, of course, but it can be done on nearly anything these days. You're right, but Apple do it very prettily:-) More interesting would be the ability to use the machine as a recording studio. I can tell that a PowerBook comes with a microphone, but I can't even tell from the specs whether it's mono or stereo. Mine didn't come with a microphone, but it has line-level audio inputs (16 bits per channel stere). And, of course, I'd like to plug in N microphones, and it would be interesting to learn how large N can be. Can the sound studio software actually input N tracks from mics and play games with them? Or can it only download the N tracks from some other computer? Not sure about that. You could use multiple USB microphones. There's nothing in the operating system to prevent recording multiple audio channels, and a machine which can record full-screen video in real time ought to be able to handle at least a dozen audio channels, but you'd really need to speak to somebody who is doing this to find out about the real situation. Another topic that's hard to get straight info on is what can actually be done with the wireless ports. The standard airport thingy is for wireless ethernet. You can use it to connect to a base station which is connected to the internet via modem or dsl. There's also Bluetooth, about which I know absolutely nothing. As far as I know, if you want to connect to the internet while you're out in the woods you will still have to use a cell phone, although there are a variety of interfaces which could potentially be used to connect the computer to the phone. As far as I can tell, the only available answer is Buy one and see if it works. I'm not sure if I'm ready to invest that much money, just to find that it will only work when I'm at home. Try asking around on some of the comp.sys.mac usenet groups and you'll probably find somebody who's done it if it can be done. Sure would be useful, though. (And, since I'd use it for testing my day-job stuff, its price tag would be deductible. ;-) Yeah! Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] online abc previewer
From: Atte André Jensen On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:55:19 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get this when I click on 'Vis'. I'm guessing it means someting like 'you lose': Fejl: It means Errors: and if nothing comes after it no errors were found. Ok, I know that even when we get past the fact that the thing speaks danish, this isn't very clear at all... Would be clearer if Fejl: was only present when there actually were any errors. More stuff to rethink, great! :-) Perhaps, but if you just want general feedback, I had no problem with that or the names on the buttons even though I only speak English. I tried a handful of our ABCs on your set up and found it worked well for me. If O/S Browser help for feedback, I was on Win2K pro and IE5. Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Re: Musicians and techies
Hi, I felt after reading for several months I needed to add my thoughts on several subjects. I play mostly Irish flute and Uilleann Pipes, and have played in over 100 sessions around the US, and quite a few in Europe. One of the things that has struck me over the years is that often music sessions are right where you least expect them, at least they can be hard to find. I have also found that the different folk groups which include Bluegrass, Old Time,( they swear there is a huge difference) Irish, Cape Breton and general folk sessions tend to be somewhat protective. Most don't want players showing up who don't know the three most important things about their session, 1) Know the Music 2) Know how to play and have good etiquette when playing 3) Don't ever play a different style at their session, Irish musicians don't want to hear Rocky Top which is understandable on several levels. A friend of mine and I had put up a web site to find sessions mostly Irish around the US, most in bars, some restaurants and books stores. Over 200 around the US and Canada http://www.sessioneer.com Other Irish sessions can be found through the Comhaltas site http://www.ccenorthamerica.org Here in Tennessee we have 4 weekly Irish sessions, and several bluegrass held mostly on Saturday nights in churches. You can find some Irish Music in a Bluegrass session played in bluegrass style, but I have never heard bluegrass at an Irish session that lasted very long. There is plenty of opportunity around the area so they tend to be protective. I think it stems from a fear of the Irish session drifting over to the more dominant style and thus diluting the number of musicians. The second thing I wanted to comment on was some of the questions about MIDI. Particularly the question as to why MIDI didn't have song names and longer more easy to program words like ABC. I am an engineer and started in the late 70's as a young engineer working for both Yamaha and Oberheim and sat on one of the original MIDI committees. MIDI was designed primarily to allow sequencers and specific keyboards control other sequencers and keyboards, The syntax of the language is designed to be a simple ASCII text code that can be sent quickly over a midi port which by the way is an RS-232 port 8 bits plus stop and start bit modified so that it works over a optical current loop. The transistor of one keyboard drives the LED of the attached keyboard and vice versa. That was mostly my invention to get around a fight brewing between Yamaha and Korg. In the early 1980's it migrated to IBM PC's ,Commodore and Apple computers and soon these became the standard for sequencer and control. The MIDI language and thus the syntax was meant to be simple character codes to turn notes on and off and allow for some notes to be held while others were quicker. It also allowed for changes in the voice ect back when everybody had a different idea about what effects ect were important or not. All keyboards had different ideas as to what voice #1 was for instance.The more standard MIDI we all are familiar with is based on one manufacturers structure which was originally a Roland contrivance. MIDI was never designed to be used as a programming language, even though it has the structure of one. At the time it was to opporate at 9600 Baud which was the fastest and most available bit rate at the time and still talk to several keyboards and computers at the same time. Therefore MIDI was designed to be a short language that sent the fewest characters necessary to accomplish this job Soap box down hope someone found it useful... Jim Pogge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Toby Rider Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Re: Musicians and techies On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toby wrote (nice to see you actually on the list, Toby): Not so all over the USA. See http://www.fiddlerstour.com/default_ft.aspx for a description of our weekly pub/restaurant session. I know several of others here in the Northeast. Ah sweet! You guys should consider yourselves lucky, it looks like a nice session you guys have going there. It's certainly not the norm. Toby To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Macs and recording (was Re: [abcusers] BarFly for Mac OS X)
Phil Taylor wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | I've put up a first rough beta version of BarFly Carbon, for all the | folks who've been badgering me for an OS X version. You can download | it from: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/BarFlyCarbon.hqx Hmmm ... I'm getting more and more tempted to invest in a PowerBook with OSX. Now there's another reason. Looking forward to checking it out, Phil - dammit, if you'd done it a year ago, I wouldn't have needed to write Skink... Actually, I've done a bit of digging, and have put it off because of not enough information to decide what to order. While my official excuse for buying one would be for professional software development reasons, I'm also interesting in something that could function as a portable musical tool. Maybe someone here knows more than I can get from apple.com. Well, I bought a new Titanium G4 Powerbook about a month ago, so I can answer some of your questions. I've had a couple of iBooks in the past 2 years, and I can answer some more... There's a lot of hype about the wonderful music support, but it all seems to be aimed at people who are downloading and playing musical recordings. This is interesting, of course, but it can be done on nearly anything these days. You're right, but Apple do it very prettily:-) More interesting would be the ability to use the machine as a recording studio. I can tell that a PowerBook comes with a microphone, but I can't even tell from the specs whether it's mono or stereo. Mine didn't come with a microphone, but it has line-level audio inputs (16 bits per channel stere). I do most of my recording on a Yamaha MDS-8 Minidisc recorder, which has 8 inputs. I hook it up to a Mackie mixer (so I can use the preamps and phantom power) and attach some decent microphones. When I'm done, I take the stereo output from the MD and put it in to an M-Audio Duo, which is a nicely versatile USB box with two XLR phantom powered inputs, digital in/out, line in/out and makes my Mackie 624s sound truly awe-inspiring. I use Spark LE to master, and burn CDs from Toast on the iBook. I've been really happy with the results, but as you'll notice, I haven't done anything more than stereo. And, of course, I'd like to plug in N microphones, and it would be interesting to learn how large N can be. Can the sound studio software actually input N tracks from mics and play games with them? Or can it only download the N tracks from some other computer? Apple changed their audio architecture radically in the last year, and it's taken a bit of time for the audio software vendors to catch up, but it is happening now. Already eMagic's Logic Platinum is Mac OSX ready, and ProTools is demoing. Audio capture for more than stereo is probably best done with a FireWire interface (Motu, for example). Not sure about that. You could use multiple USB microphones. There's nothing in the operating system to prevent recording multiple audio channels, and a machine which can record full-screen video in real time ought to be able to handle at least a dozen audio channels, but you'd really need to speak to somebody who is doing this to find out about the real situation. Another topic that's hard to get straight info on is what can actually be done with the wireless ports. The standard airport thingy is for wireless ethernet. You can use it to connect to a base station which is connected to the internet via modem or dsl. There's also Bluetooth, about which I know absolutely nothing. As far as I know, if you want to connect to the internet while you're out in the woods you will still have to use a cell phone, although there are a variety of interfaces which could potentially be used to connect the computer to the phone. Bluetooth is a short-range, high-ish speed interface which would be used to connect to a (Bluetooth enabled) cellphone, such as many of the newer Nokia and Ericsson models. From there you can connect to the internet In my house I have highspeed internet via Bell Sympatico DSL, which arrives at a magic black box in the basement. This is attached to a wireless router which then attaches to two Macs (an old beige G3 minitower and a Rev B iMac) via ethernet, and also has a print server with a parallel port that attaches to a salvaged HP LaserJet III. The wireless part allows me to connect two iBooks anywhere in the house to the Internet and to print on either of the printers. I can also connect one of the iBooks to the Internet via modem and then share the internet connection with the other one via modem. As far as I can tell, the only available answer is Buy one and see if it works. I'm not sure if I'm ready to invest that much money, just to find that it will only work when I'm at home. Try asking around on some of the comp.sys.mac usenet groups and you'll probably find somebody who's done it
Re: [abcusers] abc in web pages
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:20:54 -0500 From: Christopher Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I prefer abcm2ps, as it allows me more control of the output (IMHO). On the subject of abcm2ps, can anyone here tell me how to make it output two voices onto separate staves? abc2ps does this with the following command: %%staves [(1 2)] but even after reading the source code for abcm2ps I haven't found anything similar. Am I just missing this, or is there in fact no way to do it? Jeff To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
