Re: [AI] Guide dog opens up a new world
Hi, In my perfunctory look at the webpage, I was unable to locate the article. Could someone instruct me as to where exactly is the article located on the webpage or alternatively provide the full article here itself? I would appreciate the former option, if possible. Thanks. On 3/26/15, avinash shahi wrote: > How beautiful > http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67496373/Guide-dog-opens-up-a-new-worl > > -- > Avinash Shahi > Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Warm Regards Bhavya Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah...@gmail.com Skype id : bhavya.09 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification
right sir, better one should opt a sighted person hired or volunteer. it is better option then guide dog. and will also generate employment. - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification Yes, Rahul, you are right. However, I can say there are a host of blind people successfully moving around on their own non-visually, by using various options including a stick, and nowadays, technology including GPS. However, personally, I prefer to take sighted help either voluntary or hired. I think there is nothing wrong in hiring or soliciting sighted assistance for mobility supplementing it with technology, if you can afford it, for it does not take a hundred accidents to snuff out the precious life or cause any additional disability or major injury etc. which nobody of us likes or appreciates. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:57 PM To: Jean Parker; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification Hello, That was a great post. I agree with most of the points you made. I was thinking of getting a guide dog because I'm not very satisfied with the mobility options that I presently have. Presently, I take the help of a sighted guide who helps me to move around. We have appointed a guy specially for this purpose. I even know how to use a cane, but I don't use it very often. For me, the biggest problem with being visually impaired is that I can't move around as freely as other people can. And I firmly believe that even the most successful blind people in India face this problem. We keep reading articles about blind people who have done great things in their lives, but how often do you see visually impaired people in hotels, restaurants or at other public places? I, for one, have never seen or met a blind person at a public place. If you go to an airport, most people working there will act like they've never seen a blind person before. This may not be true for all countries, but it is certainly true for India. They say that there are millions of blind people in India. Tell me, how many of those people lead normal social lives? Just being able to use the Internet does not make you normal, does it? People here keep talking about screen readers all the time, but shouldn't we give some importance to these things as well? On 07/09/2011, Jean Parker wrote: All: I have been asked by several people, both off list and on, to clarify my posting regarding the viability of guide dogs in India. Please read my entire post below, before commenting as this is not a simple question. It is a long post but I don't post that often so I'll make up here for lost time. To have an enlightened discussion about whether or not guide dogs as an aide to independent mobility by blind people is a viable option in the Indian context, some facts about guide dogs and guide dog training must be understood. There are many misnomers perpetuated by popular media, about what guide dogs for the blind can and can't do and how guide dogs and their blind handlers interact. Many people, both blind and sighted, believe that a guide dog is responsible for taking a blind person to their destination rather like a sighted companion. Stories abound of the heroic guide dog who saved its blind owner from some tragedy. In reality, a guide dog responds to commands given by its blind handler such as left, right, forward etc, as part of a progressive set of directions from one place to another. The blind person must always know where he or she is going and must remain oriented to the environment at all times. At no time does a guide dog assume responsibility for "taking" a blind person from one place to another. It is therefore manditory that the blind handler be trained in and practice good mobility and orientation skills in order to use a dog effectively. Using a dog does not substitute for mobility training, quite the opposite. Anyone contemplating training with a guide dog must have above-average mobility skills before any training can begin. Many people make the mistake of believing that having a dog will make this requirement unnecessary. At present, the cost of training a guide dog is about fifty thousand US dollars, that is within the US economy and taking into account current labor costs etc. The suitability of a particular dog for guide work begins with the breeding process. Genetics, temperment and other profiling are factors in determining whether a dog is right for this work. Although donated dogs are occasionally trained for work as guides, the vast majority are bred at the training schools and given to families to raise. The job of puppy-raisi
Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification
Jean, Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely... The problem here is one is spoiled for choice. Hundreds & hundreds of VIs at least in Mumbai, are confidently getting about in the city in the worst of travelling conditions because they have determination to move out with their white stick and have no option. I was one of them, what gives most confidence to me that i can reach safely to any corner of the city if friends call upon me. At least in Mumbai i never required my family members or any aid to help me go out. I required and certainly took help when crossing the streets, Knowing the bus number, and sometimes catching scarce autos. To repeat, it's not my qualification or my achievements give me confidence,, but ability to pick up my stick and get going. However, i appreciate the search for more comfortable, more safer options of travelling. Debates are always good. Cheers Jean Parker , accessindia@accessindia.org.in On 9/7/11, Jean Parker wrote: > All: > > > > I have been asked by several people, both off list and on, to clarify my > posting regarding the viability of guide dogs in India. Please read my > entire post below, before commenting as this is not a simple question. It > is a long post but I don't post that often so I'll make up here for lost > time. > > > > To have an enlightened discussion about whether or not guide dogs as an > aide to independent mobility by blind people is a viable option in the > Indian context, some facts about guide dogs and guide dog training must be > understood. There are many misnomers perpetuated by popular media, about > what guide dogs for the blind can and can't do and how guide dogs and their > blind handlers interact. Many people, both blind and sighted, believe that > a guide dog is responsible for taking a blind person to their destination > rather like a sighted companion. Stories abound of the heroic guide dog who > saved its blind owner from some tragedy. In reality, a guide dog responds > to commands given by its blind handler such as left, right, forward etc, as > part of a progressive set of directions from one place to another. The > blind person must always know where he or she is going and must remain > oriented to the environment at all times. At no time does a guide dog > assume responsibility for "taking" a blind person from one place to another. > It is therefore manditory that the blind handler be trained in and practice > good mobility and orientation skills in order to use a dog effectively. > Using a dog does not substitute for mobility training, quite the opposite. > Anyone contemplating training with a guide dog must have above-average > mobility skills before any training can begin. Many people make the mistake > of believing that having a dog will make this requirement unnecessary. > > > > At present, the cost of training a guide dog is about fifty thousand US > dollars, that is within the US economy and taking into account current labor > costs etc. The suitability of a particular dog for guide work begins with > the breeding process. Genetics, temperment and other profiling are factors > in determining whether a dog is right for this work. Although donated dogs > are occasionally trained for work as guides, the vast majority are bred at > the training schools and given to families to raise. The job of > puppy-raising families is to acquaint the dog with typical environments it > will encounter throughout its working life. The dog is socialized within > the family and local community, taken into public, and must demonstrate > certain qualities of temperment and behavior necessary for a guide dog. > During this time the pupppies are assessed to ensure they are developing the > required skills and behaviors. When they are about eighteen months old they > are taken to the training school where they begin learning how to become a > guide. During this process they are constantly assessed as to whether they > should remain in the program. A substantial number of dogs each year are > removed from the program due to one or another reason and they are given to > local families where they make excellent pets. Some even become therapy > dogs or assume a service that is less stressful or demanding. During the > training period the dog is also evaluated to determine what type of person > would be the best match for that dog. Careful records are kept on all of > these aspects so that the best possible pairing can take place. > > > > All of this explanation is to say that as one person correctly said in his > posting to the list these are not pets. One does not go to a shop, pick out > a dog he likes and have it trained. > > > > A person who is qualified to train guide dogs through a recognized school > must first complete a two year apprenticeship before applying to be a > trainer with that school. They must understand both dogs and people and > they must understand how dogs can supplement the independent travel of
Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification
Yes, Rahul, you are right. However, I can say there are a host of blind people successfully moving around on their own non-visually, by using various options including a stick, and nowadays, technology including GPS. However, personally, I prefer to take sighted help either voluntary or hired. I think there is nothing wrong in hiring or soliciting sighted assistance for mobility supplementing it with technology, if you can afford it, for it does not take a hundred accidents to snuff out the precious life or cause any additional disability or major injury etc. which nobody of us likes or appreciates. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:57 PM To: Jean Parker; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification Hello, That was a great post. I agree with most of the points you made. I was thinking of getting a guide dog because I'm not very satisfied with the mobility options that I presently have. Presently, I take the help of a sighted guide who helps me to move around. We have appointed a guy specially for this purpose. I even know how to use a cane, but I don't use it very often. For me, the biggest problem with being visually impaired is that I can't move around as freely as other people can. And I firmly believe that even the most successful blind people in India face this problem. We keep reading articles about blind people who have done great things in their lives, but how often do you see visually impaired people in hotels, restaurants or at other public places? I, for one, have never seen or met a blind person at a public place. If you go to an airport, most people working there will act like they've never seen a blind person before. This may not be true for all countries, but it is certainly true for India. They say that there are millions of blind people in India. Tell me, how many of those people lead normal social lives? Just being able to use the Internet does not make you normal, does it? People here keep talking about screen readers all the time, but shouldn't we give some importance to these things as well? On 07/09/2011, Jean Parker wrote: > All: > > > > I have been asked by several people, both off list and on, to clarify my > posting regarding the viability of guide dogs in India. Please read my > entire post below, before commenting as this is not a simple question. It > is a long post but I don't post that often so I'll make up here for lost > time. > > > > To have an enlightened discussion about whether or not guide dogs as an > aide to independent mobility by blind people is a viable option in the > Indian context, some facts about guide dogs and guide dog training must be > understood. There are many misnomers perpetuated by popular media, about > what guide dogs for the blind can and can't do and how guide dogs and their > blind handlers interact. Many people, both blind and sighted, believe that > a guide dog is responsible for taking a blind person to their destination > rather like a sighted companion. Stories abound of the heroic guide dog who > saved its blind owner from some tragedy. In reality, a guide dog responds > to commands given by its blind handler such as left, right, forward etc, as > part of a progressive set of directions from one place to another. The > blind person must always know where he or she is going and must remain > oriented to the environment at all times. At no time does a guide dog > assume responsibility for "taking" a blind person from one place to another. > It is therefore manditory that the blind handler be trained in and practice > good mobility and orientation skills in order to use a dog effectively. > Using a dog does not substitute for mobility training, quite the opposite. > Anyone contemplating training with a guide dog must have above-average > mobility skills before any training can begin. Many people make the mistake > of believing that having a dog will make this requirement unnecessary. > > > > At present, the cost of training a guide dog is about fifty thousand US > dollars, that is within the US economy and taking into account current labor > costs etc. The suitability of a particular dog for guide work begins with > the breeding process. Genetics, temperment and other profiling are factors > in determining whether a dog is right for this work. Although donated dogs > are occasionally trained for work as guides, the vast majority are bred at > the training schools and given to families to raise. The job of > puppy-raising families is to acquaint the dog with typical environments it > will encounter throughout its working life. The dog is so
Re: [AI] Guide dog
I think, here technology come to use. We can use GPS to do the same. Though it sounds good idea, the practical application is not so easy, seems distant also. Smil... :-) On 9/7/11, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: > Idea is not bad, > But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his > back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following > some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the > same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from > our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with > horse? > - Original Message - > From: "m.chandrashekar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better >> to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in >> the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is >> not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public >> transport. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Adina Galani" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >> >> >>> In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get >>> trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain >>> unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us >>> stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there >>> is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and >>> the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the >>> pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along >>> at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense >>> >>> only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. >>> Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I >>> >>> still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, >>> >>> on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state >>>> must create an institution for training guide dogs. >>>> >>>> I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. >>>> She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that >>>> a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to >>>> create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. >>>> The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is >>>> exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide >>>> dog training schools in the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>>>> Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into >>>>> the >>>>> legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may >>>>> >>>>> come >>>>> in touch with. >>>>> >>>>> Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been >>>>> successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. >>>>> >>>>> I am >>>>> aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs >>>>> so I >>>>> was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken >>>>> money from anyone. >>>>> As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it >>>>> before we >>>>> have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. >>>>> >>>>> What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the >>>>> situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along >>>>> >>>>> we >>>>> can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the >>>>> require
Re: [AI] Guide dog
Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: "m.chandrashekar" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "Adina Galani" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide d
Re: [AI] Guide dog
hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "Adina Galani" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired pers
Re: [AI] guide dog post clarification
Hello, That was a great post. I agree with most of the points you made. I was thinking of getting a guide dog because I'm not very satisfied with the mobility options that I presently have. Presently, I take the help of a sighted guide who helps me to move around. We have appointed a guy specially for this purpose. I even know how to use a cane, but I don't use it very often. For me, the biggest problem with being visually impaired is that I can't move around as freely as other people can. And I firmly believe that even the most successful blind people in India face this problem. We keep reading articles about blind people who have done great things in their lives, but how often do you see visually impaired people in hotels, restaurants or at other public places? I, for one, have never seen or met a blind person at a public place. If you go to an airport, most people working there will act like they've never seen a blind person before. This may not be true for all countries, but it is certainly true for India. They say that there are millions of blind people in India. Tell me, how many of those people lead normal social lives? Just being able to use the Internet does not make you normal, does it? People here keep talking about screen readers all the time, but shouldn't we give some importance to these things as well? On 07/09/2011, Jean Parker wrote: > All: > > > > I have been asked by several people, both off list and on, to clarify my > posting regarding the viability of guide dogs in India. Please read my > entire post below, before commenting as this is not a simple question. It > is a long post but I don't post that often so I'll make up here for lost > time. > > > > To have an enlightened discussion about whether or not guide dogs as an > aide to independent mobility by blind people is a viable option in the > Indian context, some facts about guide dogs and guide dog training must be > understood. There are many misnomers perpetuated by popular media, about > what guide dogs for the blind can and can't do and how guide dogs and their > blind handlers interact. Many people, both blind and sighted, believe that > a guide dog is responsible for taking a blind person to their destination > rather like a sighted companion. Stories abound of the heroic guide dog who > saved its blind owner from some tragedy. In reality, a guide dog responds > to commands given by its blind handler such as left, right, forward etc, as > part of a progressive set of directions from one place to another. The > blind person must always know where he or she is going and must remain > oriented to the environment at all times. At no time does a guide dog > assume responsibility for "taking" a blind person from one place to another. > It is therefore manditory that the blind handler be trained in and practice > good mobility and orientation skills in order to use a dog effectively. > Using a dog does not substitute for mobility training, quite the opposite. > Anyone contemplating training with a guide dog must have above-average > mobility skills before any training can begin. Many people make the mistake > of believing that having a dog will make this requirement unnecessary. > > > > At present, the cost of training a guide dog is about fifty thousand US > dollars, that is within the US economy and taking into account current labor > costs etc. The suitability of a particular dog for guide work begins with > the breeding process. Genetics, temperment and other profiling are factors > in determining whether a dog is right for this work. Although donated dogs > are occasionally trained for work as guides, the vast majority are bred at > the training schools and given to families to raise. The job of > puppy-raising families is to acquaint the dog with typical environments it > will encounter throughout its working life. The dog is socialized within > the family and local community, taken into public, and must demonstrate > certain qualities of temperment and behavior necessary for a guide dog. > During this time the pupppies are assessed to ensure they are developing the > required skills and behaviors. When they are about eighteen months old they > are taken to the training school where they begin learning how to become a > guide. During this process they are constantly assessed as to whether they > should remain in the program. A substantial number of dogs each year are > removed from the program due to one or another reason and they are given to > local families where they make excellent pets. Some even become therapy > dogs or assume a service that is less stressful or demanding. During the > training period the dog is also evaluated to determine what type of person > would be the best match for that dog. Careful records are kept on all of > these aspects so that the best possible pairing can take place. > > > > All of this explanation is to say that as one person correctly said in his > posti
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Hi list, After quite sometime I guess, Rs 3 lacks just for training the guide dog? I always think it's a huge sum of miss using our resources. According to the circomstances prevailing in India, it may not be an appropriate task to use guide dog due to large population and other bariers. Instead, why don't we use the same funds to encourage young Indian enthusiastic scientists who try to invent some electronic canes? I spoke to one such inventor, he just needs 20 thousand to modify one such electronic cane. Many of them suffer from utter powerty. We can also give life for these kind of people right? Please stop considering India and the USA on the same lines. It's quite different altogether. Nothing is more safer, reliable and affordable than any of a cane, may be a white or an electronic. I'm againest a guide dog though, but the solution should be approachable, reliable, reachable, simple and less expensive. These are just my views though. -- Govind, Voice trainer with GE Money Services. Phone: 91-9030915271. Email: sgred...@gmail.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Members, I want to know we always here, in UK and USA. people are using guide dog. What is the situation in other countries except India, in Asia. - Original Message - From: "Adina Galani" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a computer, uses JAWS. We have to fight for our rights. Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges that are enjoyed by visually impaire
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Anyway, just as info, for paralyses, there are other kind of dogs, called therapy dogs with totally different requiered skills. I used to work with such dogs with elderly and wheelchair users, as therapist. Good luck and let us know how it works, yes, Mumbai is definitely challenging for a guide dog together with it's owner, please, do keep us informed. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Yes, she did say that I will have to go to Mumbai for the pairing process. She has an organisation known as Canines Can Care where the entire process will take place. They have many skilled and efficient trainers who train the dogs there. So, she is not merely a private trainer. She also told me that they have already supplied a guide dog to a woman who has paralysis. On 05/09/2011, Adina Galani wrote: In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would b
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Yes, she did say that I will have to go to Mumbai for the pairing process. She has an organisation known as Canines Can Care where the entire process will take place. They have many skilled and efficient trainers who train the dogs there. So, she is not merely a private trainer. She also told me that they have already supplied a guide dog to a woman who has paralysis. On 05/09/2011, Adina Galani wrote: > In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained > for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable > aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it > comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of > compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, > as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it > trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the > reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a > school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. > Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I > still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on > top to hugely invest on the whole thing. > - Original Message - > From: "Rahul Bajaj" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state >> must create an institution for training guide dogs. >> >> I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. >> She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that >> a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to >> create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. >> The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is >> exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide >> dog training schools in the world. >> >> >> >> On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the >>> legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may >>> come >>> in touch with. >>> >>> Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been >>> successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I >>> >>> am >>> aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so >>> I >>> was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken >>> money from anyone. >>> As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I >>> know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before >>> >>> we >>> have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. >>> >>> What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the >>> situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along >>> we >>> can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the >>> requirement in Society. Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a >>>> complain? >>>> >>>> Vetri. >>>> >>>> On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>> I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these >>>>> allegations. >>>>> >>>>> On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>>> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. >>>>>> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have >>>>>> to >>>>>> pay. >>>>>> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>>>>>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that >>>>>>> dog. >>>>>>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. >>>>>>> What does S
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In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a computer, uses JAWS. We have to fight for our rights. Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized mechan
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The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the > legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come > in touch with. > > Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been > successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am > aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I > was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken > money from anyone. > As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I > know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we > have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. > > What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the > situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we > can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the > requirement in Society. Kanchan > - Original Message - > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a >> complain? >> >> Vetri. >> >> On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these >>> allegations. >>> >>> On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. >>>> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have >>>> to >>>> pay. >>>> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>>>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our >>>>> experience >>>>> has >>>>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that >>>>> dog. >>>>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. >>>>> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it >>>>> in >>>>> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate >>>>> sponsorships? Kanchan >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind >>>>>> people. >>>>>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice >>>>>> person. >>>>>> This is really shocking! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >>>>>> guide dog to me within a few months. >>>>>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide >>>>>> dog would be very, very high. >>>>>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, >>>>>> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >>>>>> >>>>>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >>>>>> associated with using a guide dog. >>>>>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >>>>>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by >>>>>> anyone in India. >>>>>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a >>>>>> computer, uses JAWS. >>>>>> We have to fight for our rights. >>>>>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges >>>>>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >>>>>
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Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a computer, uses JAWS. We have to fight for our rights. Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. Vetri. On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like city bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can manage us with very much difficulty? - Original Message - From: "Kanchan Pamnani" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and has not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find a few more. If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no telephone call to apolagise. Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is really qualified to train guide dogs in India. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj"
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Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. > > On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. >> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to >> pay. >> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. >> >> >> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience >>> has >>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that >>> dog. >>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. >>> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in >>> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate >>> sponsorships? Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind >>>> people. >>>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice >>>> person. >>>> This is really shocking! >>>> >>>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >>>> guide dog to me within a few months. >>>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide >>>> dog would be very, very high. >>>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, >>>> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >>>> >>>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >>>> associated with using a guide dog. >>>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >>>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by >>>> anyone in India. >>>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a >>>> computer, uses JAWS. >>>> We have to fight for our rights. >>>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges >>>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >>>> >>>> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >>>> wrote: >>>>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the >>>>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog >>>>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized >>>>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some >>>>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing >>>>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right >>>>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >>>>> >>>>> Vetri. >>>>> >>>>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >>>>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >>>>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like >>>>>> city >>>>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can >>>>>> manage >>>>>> us with very much difficulty? >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>>>>> wandering >>>>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be >>>>>>> happy >>>>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >>>>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >>
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I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. > But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to > pay. > She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. > > > On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience >> has >> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that >> dog. >> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. >> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in >> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate >> sponsorships? Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >> >> >>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind >>> people. >>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice >>> person. >>> This is really shocking! >>> >>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >>> guide dog to me within a few months. >>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide >>> dog would be very, very high. >>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, >>> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >>> >>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >>> associated with using a guide dog. >>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by >>> anyone in India. >>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a >>> computer, uses JAWS. >>> We have to fight for our rights. >>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges >>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >>> >>> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >>> wrote: >>>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the >>>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog >>>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized >>>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some >>>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing >>>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right >>>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >>>> >>>> Vetri. >>>> >>>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >>>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >>>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like >>>>> city >>>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can >>>>> manage >>>>> us with very much difficulty? >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us >>>>>> and >>>>>> has >>>>>> >>>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>>>> wandering >>>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be >>>>>> happy >>>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >>>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to >>>>>> find >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> few more. >>>>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money >>>>>> he >>>>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and >>>>>> no >>>>>> telephone call to apolagise. >>>>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train >>>>>> dogs >>>>>> for t
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She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has > not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. > Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. > What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in > thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate > sponsorships? Kanchan > - Original Message - > From: "Rahul Bajaj" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind >> people. >> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. >> This is really shocking! >> >> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >> guide dog to me within a few months. >> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide >> dog would be very, very high. >> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, >> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >> >> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >> associated with using a guide dog. >> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by >> anyone in India. >> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a >> computer, uses JAWS. >> We have to fight for our rights. >> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges >> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >> >> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the >>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog >>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized >>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some >>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing >>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right >>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >>> >>> Vetri. >>> >>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like >>>> city >>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can >>>> manage >>>> us with very much difficulty? >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>> >>>> >>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and >>>>> has >>>>> >>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>>> wandering >>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be >>>>> happy >>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to >>>>> find >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> few more. >>>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he >>>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no >>>>> telephone call to apolagise. >>>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs >>>>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask >>>>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is >>>>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >>>>> >>>>> Kanchan >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >>>>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> &
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Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was it in thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate sponsorships? Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a computer, uses JAWS. We have to fight for our rights. Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. Vetri. On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like city bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can manage us with very much difficulty? - Original Message - From: "Kanchan Pamnani" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and has not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find a few more. If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no telephone call to apolagise. Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is really qualified to train guide dogs in India. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: [AI] Guide dog Hello everyone, I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in India. Does anyone else here use a guide dog? Do share your views on this matter. I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide dog in India. Cheers, Rahul Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_
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Just to let everyone be aware, training a dog for mobility is a very long process. First the puppy needs to be trained. Ones the dog is trained, then you will have to be trained as well since the dog needs to be familiar with you as well. Only after that you will be able to begin using it on your own. I don't think that there is any special school for training such dogs in India. So if you come across any such person claiming to be the special dog trainer, you should ask if they are certified to train dogs and I don't think that any one in India is at the moment. Vetri. On 03/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind > people. > I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. > This is really shocking! > > Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a > guide dog to me within a few months. > But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide > dog would be very, very high. > She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, > so the cost would get a bit reduced. > > People all over the world have to face the same problems that are > associated with using a guide dog. > Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. > 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by > anyone in India. > Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a > computer, uses JAWS. > We have to fight for our rights. > Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges > that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? > > On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the >> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog >> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized >> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some >> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing >> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right >> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >> >> Vetri. >> >> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like >>> city >>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can >>> manage >>> us with very much difficulty? >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and >>>> has >>>> >>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>> wandering >>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy >>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find >>>> a >>>> >>>> few more. >>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he >>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no >>>> telephone call to apolagise. >>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs >>>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask >>>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is >>>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >>>> >>>> Kanchan >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >>>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. >>>>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. >>>>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in >>>>> India. >>>>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog? >>>>> Do share your views on this matter. >>>>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide >>>>> dog in India. >
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Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many blind people. I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice person. This is really shocking! Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a guide dog to me within a few months. But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a guide dog would be very, very high. She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to help, so the cost would get a bit reduced. People all over the world have to face the same problems that are associated with using a guide dog. Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used by anyone in India. Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who has a computer, uses JAWS. We have to fight for our rights. Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the privileges that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: > Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the > public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog > usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized > mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some > individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing > at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right > to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. > > Vetri. > > On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian >> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like >> city >> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can manage >> us with very much difficulty? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >> >> >>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and >>> has >>> >>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering >>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy >>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find >>> a >>> >>> few more. >>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he >>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no >>> telephone call to apolagise. >>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs >>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask >>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is >>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >>> >>> Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. >>>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. >>>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in >>>> India. >>>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog? >>>> Do share your views on this matter. >>>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide >>>> dog in India. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription t
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Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on the public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny guide dog usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of institutionalized mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally some individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best thing at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our right to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. Vetri. On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: > As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian > situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like city > bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can manage > us with very much difficulty? > - Original Message - > From: "Kanchan Pamnani" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and has >> >> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering >> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy >> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 >> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find a >> >> few more. >> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he >> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no >> telephone call to apolagise. >> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs >> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask >> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is >> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >> >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rahul Bajaj" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >> >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. >>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. >>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in >>> India. >>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog? >>> Do share your views on this matter. >>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide >>> dog in India. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rahul >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in indian situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public transport like city bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we can manage us with very much difficulty? - Original Message - From: "Kanchan Pamnani" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and has not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find a few more. If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no telephone call to apolagise. Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is really qualified to train guide dogs in India. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: [AI] Guide dog Hello everyone, I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in India. Does anyone else here use a guide dog? Do share your views on this matter. I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide dog in India. Cheers, Rahul Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of us and has not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still wandering around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would be happy to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know atleast 3 others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be able to find a few more. If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the money he took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money and no telephone call to apolagise. Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to train dogs for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you could ask her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think anyone is really qualified to train guide dogs in India. Kanchan - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: [AI] Guide dog Hello everyone, I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few months. I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this purpose. They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people living in India. Does anyone else here use a guide dog? Do share your views on this matter. I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using a guide dog in India. Cheers, Rahul Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Only problem is that with so many stray dogs and live and let live not being the philosophy of the stray dogs, the guide dogs need to be quite hefty looking for Indian situation. - Original Message - From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pamnani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Yes it is the same person. > i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in > > May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. > There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as > yet. > so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it > up. > Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? > > > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> >> I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who >> has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be >> receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. >> >> If this is the same person you are talking about, >> Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile >> number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the >> 15th, about 45 days ago. >> >> Regards >> Sameer >> --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Amit, >>> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >>> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >>> by one man, to train >>> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >>> several write ups in the >>> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >>> ideas and had studied the >>> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >>> that would be faced in >>> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >>> However at present he seems >>> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >>> have taken off. I >>> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >>> several occasions to get in >>> touch but although I havent tried very hard >>> to find him. >>> So currently no dog for us in India. >>> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >>> and acceptance. >>> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >>> or somebody else trains a >>> dog I would like to have one. >>> >>> Regards >>> Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >>> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >>> >>> >>> > Hello AccessIndia! >>> > before raising my small query, I would like to >>> congratulate Mr. Kiran >>> > Kaja for providing a new site >>> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >>> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >>> delivery now! and, we >>> > all the members will stick to the relevant >>> subject. >>> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >>> is using guide dog? >>> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >>> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >>> personally. I would have a >>> > few thingsin my mind to know. >>> > -- >>> > Warm regards, >>> > >>> > Amit Bhatt >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Skype: amitbhattindia >>> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >>> > >>> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >>> longer" >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> > > -- >>> > This is a Blu
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What about the smaller metros and towns? You hardly see any difference between colony streets and the main roads. The municipal bodies are totally defunct. ! Cheers! Aaruni. students and teachers of political science and economics! come, and join [EMAIL PROTECTED]: a forum for discussing Indian polity, indian economy, international relations and all that falls within the ambit of political science and political economy. In order To join the group send a blank mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:01 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog I agree, stray animals are really a big issue, I guess everyone can relate with the problems associated with them. It's really irritating even more due to the droppings left by them on roads. I never faced any animal (probably due to the fact that I rarely travel alone in colonies) I mostly get assistance or cycle rickshaw to reach the main roads, and animals are rarely found on the main roads (but many accounts of them on the main roads by people who are driveing) might not validate what I said, but I never encountered them on the main roads. For me it is greatest hurdle on colonies roads. Regards Dinesh - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Dear Suresh: > > Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, stray dogs pose problems. > In fact, we haven't considered situations where a guide dog is lured > into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating by the stray ones. > That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! But, I guess guide > dogs are taught to stay away from such things. Even then, we can't be so > sure! > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > > >Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have > pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached > AI > list. > Thanks and regards. > > Suresh Kulkarni. > > Mob: 9869326498 > > E-mail id: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." > > - Original Message - > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > >> real >> good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another >> misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things >> without actually seeing them. >> Rohit one is >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People > sighted >>> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >>> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. > Rohit >>> Trivedi >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> *** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *** >>> >>> >>> Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a >>> pregnant >>> >>> dog? >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL
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Dogs have bitten me several times; and bulls have bullied me a lot. Now I have to face a lot of difficulties in walking alone on the ways of Lucknow. Yes it should be published in newspapers so that everyone can be aware of our problems. These trivial problems often become very severe. I have lost a lot of money in medicines/injection which I could have invested for my studies. Even the cows also hurt me! These creatures wander about the whole city. This is my last mail on this issue, sorry folks. Be careful, Shadab Husain --- "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I second that. Bangalore is full of dogs. May be you > should write about > it in your paper. They are a risk for people on > bicycles and two > wheelers also because they are chased in the nights. > The whole group of > them. > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Subramani L > Sent: Wednesday, 05 July 2006 11:12 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Hai Dinesh: > > In Bangalore, you find them almost everywhere! Of > course, the > consolation for us is there numbers are less in main > roads. In the > street where I live, for instance, there at least 50 > stray dogs!! > Sometimes, we are woken by their incessant barkings > in the middle of the > night. When we happen to come home late, they chase > us and put us in > great trouble. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dinesh > Kaushal > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:01 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > I agree, stray animals are really a big issue, I > guess everyone can > relate > with the problems associated with them. It's really > irritating even more > due > to the droppings left by them on roads. I never > faced any animal > (probably > due to the fact that I rarely travel alone in > colonies) I mostly get > assistance or cycle rickshaw to reach the main > roads, and animals are > rarely > found on the main roads (but many accounts of them > on the main roads by > people who are driveing) might not validate what I > said, but I never > encountered them on the main roads. > > For me it is greatest hurdle on colonies roads. > > Regards > Dinesh > > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, > stray dogs pose > problems. > > In fact, we haven't considered situations where a > guide dog is lured > > into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating > by the stray ones. > > That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! > But, I guess guide > > dogs are taught to stay away from such things. > Even then, we can't be > so > > sure! > > > > Subramani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Suresh > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > *** > > No virus was detected in the attachment no > filename > > > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > > *** > > > > > > > > > >Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to > street dogs. I have > > pointed out some days back. I don't know whether > my message has > reached > > AI > > list. > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Suresh Kulkarni. > > > > Mob: 9869326498 > > > > E-mail id: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man > who had no feet." > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > >> OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and > now unless we have > some > > > >> real > >> good info on when guide dogs will be available in > our
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I second that. Bangalore is full of dogs. May be you should write about it in your paper. They are a risk for people on bicycles and two wheelers also because they are chased in the nights. The whole group of them. Regards, Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Wednesday, 05 July 2006 11:12 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Hai Dinesh: In Bangalore, you find them almost everywhere! Of course, the consolation for us is there numbers are less in main roads. In the street where I live, for instance, there at least 50 stray dogs!! Sometimes, we are woken by their incessant barkings in the middle of the night. When we happen to come home late, they chase us and put us in great trouble. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:01 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. *** I agree, stray animals are really a big issue, I guess everyone can relate with the problems associated with them. It's really irritating even more due to the droppings left by them on roads. I never faced any animal (probably due to the fact that I rarely travel alone in colonies) I mostly get assistance or cycle rickshaw to reach the main roads, and animals are rarely found on the main roads (but many accounts of them on the main roads by people who are driveing) might not validate what I said, but I never encountered them on the main roads. For me it is greatest hurdle on colonies roads. Regards Dinesh - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Dear Suresh: > > Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, stray dogs pose problems. > In fact, we haven't considered situations where a guide dog is lured > into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating by the stray ones. > That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! But, I guess guide > dogs are taught to stay away from such things. Even then, we can't be so > sure! > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > > >Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have > pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached > AI > list. > Thanks and regards. > > Suresh Kulkarni. > > Mob: 9869326498 > > E-mail id: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." > > - Original Message - > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > >> real >> good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another >> misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things >> without actually seeing them. >> Rohit one is >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People > sighted >>> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >>> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. > Rohit >>> Trivedi >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >
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Hai Dinesh: In Bangalore, you find them almost everywhere! Of course, the consolation for us is there numbers are less in main roads. In the street where I live, for instance, there at least 50 stray dogs!! Sometimes, we are woken by their incessant barkings in the middle of the night. When we happen to come home late, they chase us and put us in great trouble. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:01 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. *** I agree, stray animals are really a big issue, I guess everyone can relate with the problems associated with them. It's really irritating even more due to the droppings left by them on roads. I never faced any animal (probably due to the fact that I rarely travel alone in colonies) I mostly get assistance or cycle rickshaw to reach the main roads, and animals are rarely found on the main roads (but many accounts of them on the main roads by people who are driveing) might not validate what I said, but I never encountered them on the main roads. For me it is greatest hurdle on colonies roads. Regards Dinesh - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Dear Suresh: > > Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, stray dogs pose problems. > In fact, we haven't considered situations where a guide dog is lured > into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating by the stray ones. > That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! But, I guess guide > dogs are taught to stay away from such things. Even then, we can't be so > sure! > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > > >Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have > pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached > AI > list. > Thanks and regards. > > Suresh Kulkarni. > > Mob: 9869326498 > > E-mail id: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." > > - Original Message - > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > >> real >> good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another >> misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things >> without actually seeing them. >> Rohit one is >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People > sighted >>> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >>> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. > Rohit >>> Trivedi >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> *** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *** >>> >>> >>> Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a >>> pregnant >>> >>> dog? >>> - Original Message - >>> Fro
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I agree, stray animals are really a big issue, I guess everyone can relate with the problems associated with them. It's really irritating even more due to the droppings left by them on roads. I never faced any animal (probably due to the fact that I rarely travel alone in colonies) I mostly get assistance or cycle rickshaw to reach the main roads, and animals are rarely found on the main roads (but many accounts of them on the main roads by people who are driveing) might not validate what I said, but I never encountered them on the main roads. For me it is greatest hurdle on colonies roads. Regards Dinesh - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Dear Suresh: > > Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, stray dogs pose problems. > In fact, we haven't considered situations where a guide dog is lured > into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating by the stray ones. > That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! But, I guess guide > dogs are taught to stay away from such things. Even then, we can't be so > sure! > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > > >Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have > pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached > AI > list. > Thanks and regards. > > Suresh Kulkarni. > > Mob: 9869326498 > > E-mail id: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." > > - Original Message - > From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > >> real >> good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another >> misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things >> without actually seeing them. >> Rohit one is >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People > sighted >>> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >>> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. > Rohit >>> Trivedi >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> *** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *** >>> >>> >>> Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a >>> pregnant >>> >>> dog? >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> >>>> Hai: >>>> >>>> Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road >>>> intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the >>> thick-flowing >>>> traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. >>> Road, >>>> where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of > trampling >>>> over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was >>> told >>>> to me by one of th
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Dear Suresh: Agreed. But, I feel while guide dogs help us, stray dogs pose problems. In fact, we haven't considered situations where a guide dog is lured into some sort of 'Barking contest' or into mating by the stray ones. That case, I think we're in even greater trouble! But, I guess guide dogs are taught to stay away from such things. Even then, we can't be so sure! Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. *** Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached AI list. Thanks and regards. Suresh Kulkarni. Mob: 9869326498 E-mail id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." - Original Message - From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > real > good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit > Trivedi > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another > misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things > without actually seeing them. > Rohit one is > - Original Message ----- > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People sighted >> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >> >> Subramani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> *** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> ******* >> >> >> Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a >> pregnant >> >> dog? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Hai: >>> >>> Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road >>> intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the >> thick-flowing >>> traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. >> Road, >>> where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling >>> over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was >> told >>> to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe >>> it, but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, >>> which, as others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to >>> people with blindness. >>> >>> Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my >>> college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined >>> and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by >>> it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit >> bhattt >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> *** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *** >>> >>> >>> In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then >>> they simply free our way or don't harm us! ] >>> -- >>>
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Well, the subject is moving from guide dogs to street dogs. I have pointed out some days back. I don't know whether my message has reached AI list. Thanks and regards. Suresh Kulkarni. Mob: 9869326498 E-mail id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." - Original Message - From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some > real > good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit > Trivedi > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another > misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things > without actually seeing them. > Rohit one is > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People sighted >> the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it >> moved rather slowly after I stamped it. >> >> Subramani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit >> Trivedi >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> *** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> *********** >> >> >> Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a >> pregnant >> >> dog? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Hai: >>> >>> Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road >>> intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the >> thick-flowing >>> traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. >> Road, >>> where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling >>> over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was >> told >>> to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe >>> it, but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, >>> which, as others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to >>> people with blindness. >>> >>> Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my >>> college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined >>> and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by >>> it. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit >> bhattt >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> *** >>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >>> >>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >>> *** >>> >>> >>> In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then >>> they simply free our way or don't harm us! ] >>> -- >>> Warm regards, >>> Amit Bhatt >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Skype: amitbhattindia >>> Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >>> >>> "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" >>> >>> >>> Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >>>> hello, >>>> Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply >>>> screamed and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than >>>> that. Anyhow I >>>> don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the >>>
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OK folks, let us stop this discussion here and now unless we have some real good info on when guide dogs will be available in our lovely country. Regards, Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit Trivedi Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:11 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things without actually seeing them. Rohit one is - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People sighted > the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it > moved rather slowly after I stamped it. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit > Trivedi > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a > pregnant > > dog? > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Hai: >> >> Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road >> intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the > thick-flowing >> traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. > Road, >> where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling >> over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was > told >> to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe >> it, but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, >> which, as others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to >> people with blindness. >> >> Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my >> college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined >> and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by >> it. >> >> Subramani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit > bhattt >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> *** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> *** >> >> >> In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then >> they simply free our way or don't harm us! ] >> -- >> Warm regards, >> Amit Bhatt >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype: amitbhattindia >> Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> >> "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" >> >> >> Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> hello, >>> Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply >>> screamed and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than >>> that. Anyhow I >>> don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the >>> white >>> cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. >>> Renuka >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> >>> > hae even I too got a dog bite once. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Kasha. >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> > >>> > >>> > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have >>> stepped on the >>> > > dog >>> > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quit
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Goood you told us otherwise it too would have resulted in another misconception that blind people have a sixth sense and can tell things without actually seeing them. Rohit one is - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People > sighted the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and > also, it moved rather slowly after I stamped it. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit > Trivedi > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a pregnant > > dog? > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Hai: >> >> Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road >> intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the > thick-flowing >> traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. > Road, >> where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling >> over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was > told >> to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe it, >> but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, which, as >> others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to people with >> blindness. >> >> Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my >> college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined >> and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by >> it. >> >> Subramani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit > bhattt >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> *** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. >> *** >> >> >> In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then >> they simply free our way or don't harm us! >> ] >> -- >> Warm regards, >> Amit Bhatt >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype: amitbhattindia >> Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> >> "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" >> >> >> Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> hello, >>> Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply >>> screamed >>> and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. >>> Anyhow I >>> don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the >>> white >>> cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. >>> Renuka >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> >>> > hae even I too got a dog bite once. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Kasha. >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> > >>> > >>> > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have >>> stepped on the >>> > > dog >>> > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite >>> successful. >>> > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect >>> on me. >>> > > >>> > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there >>> on dogs >>> > > too! >>> > > >>> > > Cheers >>> > >
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Ha!Ha!!Ha!!... Wonderful observation. Simply marvelous. People sighted the dog just a day before I stamped it on the same spot and also, it moved rather slowly after I stamped it. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit Trivedi Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:15 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. *** Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a pregnant dog? - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Hai: > > Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road > intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the thick-flowing > traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. Road, > where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling > over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was told > to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe it, > but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, which, as > others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to people with > blindness. > > Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my > college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined > and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by > it. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit bhattt > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then > they simply free our way or don't harm us! > ] > -- > Warm regards, > Amit Bhatt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: amitbhattindia > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. > > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" > > > Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> hello, >> Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply >> screamed >> and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. >> Anyhow I >> don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the >> white >> cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. >> Renuka >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> > hae even I too got a dog bite once. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Kasha. >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > >> > >> > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have >> stepped on the >> > > dog >> > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite >> successful. >> > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect >> on me. >> > > >> > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there >> on dogs >> > > too! >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Dipendra >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Harish >> > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM >> > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > > >> > > Hi Geetha >> > > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. >> > > >> > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. >> The fellow >> > > kept barking and went away. >> > > >> > > Harish >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >> > >
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Just by way of curiosity. How did you get to know that it was a pregnant dog? - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Hai: > > Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road > intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the thick-flowing > traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. Road, > where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling > over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was told > to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe it, > but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, which, as > others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to people with > blindness. > > Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my > college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined > and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by > it. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit bhattt > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > *** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *** > > > In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then > they simply free our way or don't harm us! > ] > -- > Warm regards, > Amit Bhatt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: amitbhattindia > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. > > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" > > > Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> hello, >> Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply >> screamed >> and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. >> Anyhow I >> don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the >> white >> cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. >> Renuka >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> > hae even I too got a dog bite once. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Kasha. >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > >> > >> > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have >> stepped on the >> > > dog >> > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite >> successful. >> > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect >> on me. >> > > >> > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there >> on dogs >> > > too! >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Dipendra >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Harish >> > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM >> > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > > >> > > Hi Geetha >> > > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. >> > > >> > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. >> The fellow >> > > kept barking and went away. >> > > >> > > Harish >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > > >> > > >> > >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share >> of stray >> > >> dogs, >> > >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look >> at blind >> > >> people with compassion. Although several people travel >> independently in >> > >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind &g
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Hai: Every day when I walk through the M. G. Road and Brigade road intersection in Bangalore, I will have to wade through the thick-flowing traffic. Also, I had to negotiate two dogs at the corner of M. G. Road, where my office is located. Though I am basically afraid of trampling over them, they seem to move away the moment they see me. This was told to me by one of the shop keepers on the roadside. I didn't believe it, but it's a fact that I am yet to be harmed by these animals, which, as others in the list have pointed out, are very sensitive to people with blindness. Long ago, I was going late to my class and so had to run towards my college, in the process I ran over a pregnant dog, which simply wined and went aside. I was amazed, because I was expecting to be bitten by it. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amit bhattt Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:59 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Renuka Warriar Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. *** In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then they simply free our way or don't harm us! ] -- Warm regards, Amit Bhatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: amitbhattindia Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hello, > Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply > screamed > and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. > Anyhow I > don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the > white > cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. > Renuka > - Original Message - > From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > hae even I too got a dog bite once. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kasha. > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have > stepped on the > > > dog > > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite > successful. > > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect > on me. > > > > > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there > on dogs > > > too! > > > > > > Cheers > > > Dipendra > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Harish > > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > Hi Geetha > > > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > > > > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. > The fellow > > > kept barking and went away. > > > > > > Harish > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > > > >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share > of stray > > >> dogs, > > >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look > at blind > > >> people with compassion. Although several people travel > independently in > > >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind > person > > >> being > > >> attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > > >> I remember having literally walked over a dog several years > ago. Once > the > > >> dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I > started > > >> running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly > continued > > >> barking. > > >> I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply > afraid of > > >> my > > >> white cane. > > >> > > >> In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be > replaced > > >> with > > >> a guide robot. > > &g
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In other words, when these animals get to know that we are blind then they simply free our way or don't harm us! ] -- Warm regards, Amit Bhatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: amitbhattindia Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" Quoting Renuka Warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hello, > Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply > screamed > and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. > Anyhow I > don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the > white > cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. > Renuka > - Original Message - > From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > hae even I too got a dog bite once. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kasha. > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have > stepped on the > > > dog > > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite > successful. > > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect > on me. > > > > > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there > on dogs > > > too! > > > > > > Cheers > > > Dipendra > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Harish > > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > Hi Geetha > > > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > > > > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. > The fellow > > > kept barking and went away. > > > > > > Harish > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > > > > >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share > of stray > > >> dogs, > > >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look > at blind > > >> people with compassion. Although several people travel > independently in > > >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind > person > > >> being > > >> attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > > >> I remember having literally walked over a dog several years > ago. Once > the > > >> dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I > started > > >> running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly > continued > > >> barking. > > >> I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply > afraid of > > >> my > > >> white cane. > > >> > > >> In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be > replaced > > >> with > > >> a guide robot. > > >> Geetha > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > >> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> > > >> > > >>> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about > dogs. This > > >>> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere > in the > > >>> world. There are whole generations of them living on the > streets. I > > >>> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is > too > much. > > >>> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted > assistance. > > >>> > > >>> Kiran. > > >>> > > >>> -Original Message- > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Pranav > Lal > > >>> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > > >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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(replying to the original thread) Hi All, >From the guide dog programs I have read about, almost all have been residential programs with the dog owner having to stay in the training institute because they say that using a guide dog requires the dog owner to have almost as much training with that dog as the dog itself. The programs were about 21 weeks in duration and didn't take something like a year or two for a person to get a dog. What's the story with this person promising people trained dogs on certain dates? Is training the dog owners also a part of this deal? Does this guy have any kind of facility? Regards, Manish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Yes it is the same person. i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as yet. so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it up. Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who > has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be > receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. > > If this is the same person you are talking about, > Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile > number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the > 15th, about 45 days ago. > > Regards > Sameer > --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amit, >> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >> by one man, to train >> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >> several write ups in the >> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >> ideas and had studied the >> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >> that would be faced in >> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >> However at present he seems >> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >> have taken off. I >> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >> several occasions to get in >> touch but although I havent tried very hard >> to find him. >> So currently no dog for us in India. >> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >> and acceptance. >> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >> or somebody else trains a >> dog I would like to have one. >> >> Regards >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >> >> >> > Hello AccessIndia! >> > before raising my small query, I would like to >> congratulate Mr. Kiran >> > Kaja for providing a new site >> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >> delivery now! and, we >> > all the members will stick to the relevant >> subject. >> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >> is using guide dog? >> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >> personally. I would have a >> > few thingsin my mind to know. >> > -- >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Skype: amitbhattindia >> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> > >> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >> longer" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the >> Trusted Delivery authenticated >> > security system. >> > For more information please visit >> http://www.bluebottle.com >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any o
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Some years back I had stepped on a dog in my locality. Not only it did not attack me, from then on it used to walk away leaving way for me as soon as it spotted me coming from a distance. Significantly during those days the road rage in Delhi also was not intense. Anil - Original Message - From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: 01 July, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have stepped on the dog > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite successful. > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect on me. > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there on dogs too! > > Cheers > Dipendra > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Hi Geetha > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The fellow > kept barking and went away. > > Harish > - Original Message - > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray > > dogs, > > it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind > > people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in > > Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person > > being > > attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > > I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the > > dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started > > running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued > > barking. > > I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of my > > white cane. > > > > In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced > > with > > a guide robot. > > Geetha > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > >> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This > >> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the > >> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I > >> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. > >> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. > >> > >> Kiran. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal > >> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Kiran, > >> >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > >> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is > >> hell! > >> > >> Pranav > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM > >> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive > >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > >> > >> Regards, > >> Kiran. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani > >> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM > >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Yes it is the same person. > >> i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in > >> > >> May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. > >> There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as > >> yet. > >> so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it > >> up. > >> Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? > >> > >&g
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Hello, Many a times I have put my foot on slept dogs on different platforms of deferent stations in Mumbai and even on roads in past. They simply barked and ran away. Nowadays, question does not arise for me as I don't move alone on roads because of my age and ill health since last few months. I personally think, we better stop it the topic here. It is going off topic from guide dogs to barking dogs. Thanks and regards. Suresh Kulkarni. Mob: 9869326498 E-mail id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." - Original Message - From: "Renuka Warriar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > hello, > Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply screamed > and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. Anyhow I > don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the white > cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. > Renuka > - Original Message - > From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> hae even I too got a dog bite once. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kasha. >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have stepped on >> > the >> > dog >> > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite > successful. >> > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect on me. >> > >> > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there on dogs >> > too! >> > >> > Cheers >> > Dipendra >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish >> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM >> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > >> > Hi Geetha >> > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. >> > >> > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The >> > fellow >> > kept barking and went away. >> > >> > Harish >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> > >> > >> >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray >> >> dogs, >> >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind >> >> people with compassion. Although several people travel independently >> >> in >> >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person >> >> being >> >> attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. >> >> I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once > the >> >> dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started >> >> running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued >> >> barking. >> >> I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid >> >> of >> >> my >> >> white cane. >> >> >> >> In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be >> >> replaced >> >> with >> >> a guide robot. >> >> Geetha >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >> >> >> >>> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This >> >>> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the >> >>> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I >> >>> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too > much. >> >>> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted > assistance. >> >>> >> >>> Kiran. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Messag
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hello, Once I actually kicked a dog, but instead of biting me it simply screamed and ran away. It may be because I screamed louder than that. Anyhow I don't get a bite. But my experience is that when we walk with the white cane, the dogs as well stray cows move away from us. Renuka - Original Message - From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > hae even I too got a dog bite once. > > Cheers, > > Kasha. > - Original Message - > From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have stepped on the > > dog > > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite successful. > > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect on me. > > > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there on dogs > > too! > > > > Cheers > > Dipendra > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > Hi Geetha > > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The fellow > > kept barking and went away. > > > > Harish > > - Original Message - > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray > >> dogs, > >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind > >> people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in > >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person > >> being > >> attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > >> I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the > >> dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started > >> running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued > >> barking. > >> I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of > >> my > >> white cane. > >> > >> In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced > >> with > >> a guide robot. > >> Geetha > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> > >>> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This > >>> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the > >>> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I > >>> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. > >>> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. > >>> > >>> Kiran. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal > >>> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >>> > >>> Kiran, > >>> >>> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > >>> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is > >>> hell! > >>> > >>> Pranav > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM > >>> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >>> > >>> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive > >>> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Kiran. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mail
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Dogs have bitten me at least six or seven times in Lucknow. --- Dipendra Manocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I > have stepped on the dog > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he > was quite successful. > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have > any effect on me. > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect > must be there on dogs too! > > Cheers > Dipendra > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Harish > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Hi Geetha > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a > stair case. The fellow > kept barking and went away. > > Harish > - Original Message - > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its > fair share of stray > > dogs, > > it must be said in defence of dogs that they > practically look at blind > > people with compassion. Although several people > travel independently in > > Bangalore, I have not come across a single > instance of a blind person > > being > > attacked/bitten by a dog because the person > trampled on it. > > I remember having literally walked over a dog > several years ago. Once the > > dog started barking, I was so afraid of being > attacked that I started > > running. But instead of running after me, the dog > meerly continued > > barking. > > I do not know whether it detected my blindness or > was simply afraid of my > > white cane. > > > > In the longrun though, it would be good if guide > dogs could be replaced > > with > > a guide robot. > > Geetha > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > > > > >> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know > all about dogs. This > >> city probably has the highest number of stray > dogs anywhere in the > >> world. There are whole generations of them living > on the streets. I > >> understand the concern of animal rights activists > but this is too much. > >> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets > without sighted assistance. > >> > >> Kiran. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Pranav Lal > >> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Kiran, > >> >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel > there . > >> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an > ocean of dogs. it is > >> hell! > >> > >> Pranav > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM > >> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many > dogs scheduled to arrive > >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel > there . > >> > >> Regards, > >> Kiran. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Pamnani > >> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM > >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > >> > >> Yes it is the same person. > >> i am surprised that you are promised a dog in > April 2007. I have paid in > >> > >> May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I > will get the dog. > >> There are others who have paid before me and they > havent got a dog as > >> yet. > >> so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. > Iwill have to follow it > >> up. > >> Are there others on this list who have registered > for a guide dog? > >> > >> > >> Kanchan Pamnani > >> Advocate & Solicitor > >> 9, Suleman Chambers, > >&
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hae even I too got a dog bite once. Cheers, Kasha. - Original Message - From: "Dipendra Manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have stepped on the > dog > thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite successful. > Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect on me. > > I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there on dogs > too! > > Cheers > Dipendra > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Hi Geetha > I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. > > I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The fellow > kept barking and went away. > > Harish > - Original Message - > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray >> dogs, >> it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind >> people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in >> Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person >> being >> attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. >> I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the >> dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started >> running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued >> barking. >> I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of >> my >> white cane. >> >> In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced >> with >> a guide robot. >> Geetha >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This >>> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the >>> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I >>> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. >>> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. >>> >>> Kiran. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal >>> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> Kiran, >>> >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >>> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is >>> hell! >>> >>> Pranav >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran >>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM >>> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive >>> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kiran. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani >>> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >>> >>> Yes it is the same person. >>> i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in >>> >>> May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. >>> There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as >>> yet. >>> so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it >>> up. >>> Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? >>> >>> >>> Kanchan Pamnani >>> Advocate & Solicitor >>> 9, Suleman Chambers, >>> Battery Street, Colaba, >>> Mumbai - 400 039. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>
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No strict rule on this. I hav suffered a dog bite. I have stepped on the dog thrie and all three times it tried to bite. Once he was quite successful. Other two times he bit on my shoe thus did not have any effect on me. I guess, Delhi tops in road rage thus the effect must be there on dogs too! Cheers Dipendra -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:30 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Hi Geetha I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The fellow kept barking and went away. Harish - Original Message - From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray > dogs, > it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind > people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in > Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person > being > attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the > dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started > running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued > barking. > I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of my > white cane. > > In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced > with > a guide robot. > Geetha > - Original Message - > From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This >> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the >> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I >> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. >> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. >> >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal >> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Kiran, >> > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is >> hell! >> >> Pranav >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM >> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani >> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Yes it is the same person. >> i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in >> >> May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. >> There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as >> yet. >> so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it >> up. >> Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? >> >> >> Kanchan Pamnani >> Advocate & Solicitor >> 9, Suleman Chambers, >> Battery Street, Colaba, >> Mumbai - 400 039. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> >>> I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who >>> has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be >>> receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. >>> >>> If this is the same person you are talking about, >>> Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile >>> number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the >>> 15th, about 45 days ago. >>> >>> Regards >>> Sameer >>> --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
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Hi Geetha I too agree, usually dogs don't attack blind folks. I too once stepped over a dog which squatted on a stair case. The fellow kept barking and went away. Harish - Original Message - From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray > dogs, > it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind > people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in > Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person > being > attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. > I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the > dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started > running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued > barking. > I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of my > white cane. > > In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced > with > a guide robot. > Geetha > - Original Message - > From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This >> city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the >> world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I >> understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. >> It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. >> >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal >> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Kiran, >> > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >> PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is >> hell! >> >> Pranav >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM >> To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive >> in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani >> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> Yes it is the same person. >> i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in >> >> May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. >> There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as >> yet. >> so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it >> up. >> Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? >> >> >> Kanchan Pamnani >> Advocate & Solicitor >> 9, Suleman Chambers, >> Battery Street, Colaba, >> Mumbai - 400 039. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog >> >> >>> >>> I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who >>> has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be >>> receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. >>> >>> If this is the same person you are talking about, >>> Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile >>> number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the >>> 15th, about 45 days ago. >>> >>> Regards >>> Sameer >>> --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Amit, >>>> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >>>> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >>>> by one man, to train >>>> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >>>> several write ups in the >>>> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >>>> ideas and had studied the >>>> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >>
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True as it may be that Bangalore has more than its fair share of stray dogs, it must be said in defence of dogs that they practically look at blind people with compassion. Although several people travel independently in Bangalore, I have not come across a single instance of a blind person being attacked/bitten by a dog because the person trampled on it. I remember having literally walked over a dog several years ago. Once the dog started barking, I was so afraid of being attacked that I started running. But instead of running after me, the dog meerly continued barking. I do not know whether it detected my blindness or was simply afraid of my white cane. In the longrun though, it would be good if guide dogs could be replaced with a guide robot. Geetha - Original Message - From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This > city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the > world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I > understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. > It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. > > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal > Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Kiran, > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is > hell! > > Pranav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM > To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Yes it is the same person. > i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in > > May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. > There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as > yet. > so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it > up. > Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? > > > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> >> I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who >> has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be >> receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. >> >> If this is the same person you are talking about, >> Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile >> number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the >> 15th, about 45 days ago. >> >> Regards >> Sameer >> --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Amit, >>> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >>> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >>> by one man, to train >>> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >>> several write ups in the >>> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >>> ideas and had studied the >>> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >>> that would be faced in >>> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >>> However at present he seems >>> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >>> have taken off. I >>> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >>> several occasions to get in >>> touch but although I havent tried very hard >>> to find him. >>> So currently no dog for us in India. >>> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >>> and acceptance. >>> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >>> or somebody else trains a >>> dog I would like to have one. >>> >>> Regards >>> Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From:
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Hey Pranav: Can you go surffing in an ocean of dogs? - Original Message - From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This > city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the > world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I > understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. > It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. > > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal > Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Kiran, > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is > hell! > > Pranav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM > To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive > in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . > > Regards, > Kiran. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > Yes it is the same person. > i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in > > May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. > There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as > yet. > so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it > up. > Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? > > > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > >> >> I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who >> has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be >> receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. >> >> If this is the same person you are talking about, >> Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile >> number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the >> 15th, about 45 days ago. >> >> Regards >> Sameer >> --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Amit, >>> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >>> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >>> by one man, to train >>> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >>> several write ups in the >>> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >>> ideas and had studied the >>> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >>> that would be faced in >>> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >>> However at present he seems >>> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >>> have taken off. I >>> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >>> several occasions to get in >>> touch but although I havent tried very hard >>> to find him. >>> So currently no dog for us in India. >>> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >>> and acceptance. >>> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >>> or somebody else trains a >>> dog I would like to have one. >>> >>> Regards >>> Kanchan >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >>> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >>> >>> >>> > Hello AccessIndia! >>> > before raising my small query, I would like to >>> congratulate Mr. Kiran >>> > Kaja for providing a new site >>> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >>> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >>> delivery now! and, we >>> > all the members will stick to the relevant >>> subject. >>> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >>> is u
Re: [AI] Guide Dog
Well well, you should come to Bangalore to know all about dogs. This city probably has the highest number of stray dogs anywhere in the world. There are whole generations of them living on the streets. I understand the concern of animal rights activists but this is too much. It is not safe enough to walk on the streets without sighted assistance. Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 6:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Kiran, . PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is hell! Pranav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . Regards, Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Yes it is the same person. i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as yet. so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it up. Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who > has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be > receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. > > If this is the same person you are talking about, > Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile > number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the > 15th, about 45 days ago. > > Regards > Sameer > --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amit, >> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >> by one man, to train >> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >> several write ups in the >> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >> ideas and had studied the >> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >> that would be faced in >> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >> However at present he seems >> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >> have taken off. I >> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >> several occasions to get in >> touch but although I havent tried very hard >> to find him. >> So currently no dog for us in India. >> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >> and acceptance. >> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >> or somebody else trains a >> dog I would like to have one. >> >> Regards >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >> >> >> > Hello AccessIndia! >> > before raising my small query, I would like to >> congratulate Mr. Kiran >> > Kaja for providing a new site >> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >> delivery now! and, we >> > all the members will stick to the relevant >> subject. >> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >> is using guide dog? >> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >> personally. I would have a >> > few thingsin my mind to know. >> > -- >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Skype: amitbhattindia >> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> > >> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >> longer" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the >> Trusted Delive
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Kiran, . PL] I am in Mumbai and I am already living in an ocean of dogs. it is hell! Pranav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:00 PM To: Pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . Regards, Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Yes it is the same person. i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as yet. so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it up. Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who > has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be > receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. > > If this is the same person you are talking about, > Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile > number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the > 15th, about 45 days ago. > > Regards > Sameer > --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amit, >> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >> by one man, to train >> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >> several write ups in the >> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >> ideas and had studied the >> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >> that would be faced in >> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >> However at present he seems >> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >> have taken off. I >> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >> several occasions to get in >> touch but although I havent tried very hard >> to find him. >> So currently no dog for us in India. >> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >> and acceptance. >> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >> or somebody else trains a >> dog I would like to have one. >> >> Regards >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >> >> >> > Hello AccessIndia! >> > before raising my small query, I would like to >> congratulate Mr. Kiran >> > Kaja for providing a new site >> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >> delivery now! and, we >> > all the members will stick to the relevant >> subject. >> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >> is using guide dog? >> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >> personally. I would have a >> > few thingsin my mind to know. >> > -- >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Skype: amitbhattindia >> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> > >> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >> longer" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the >> Trusted Delivery authenticated >> > security system. >> > For more information please visit >> http://www.bluebottle.com >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n >> >> >
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Do you have to pay for these dogs? With so many dogs scheduled to arrive in Bombay, I should think twice before I travel there . Regards, Kiran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog Yes it is the same person. i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as yet. so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it up. Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who > has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be > receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. > > If this is the same person you are talking about, > Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile > number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the > 15th, about 45 days ago. > > Regards > Sameer > --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amit, >> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >> by one man, to train >> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >> several write ups in the >> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >> ideas and had studied the >> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >> that would be faced in >> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >> However at present he seems >> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >> have taken off. I >> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >> several occasions to get in >> touch but although I havent tried very hard >> to find him. >> So currently no dog for us in India. >> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >> and acceptance. >> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >> or somebody else trains a >> dog I would like to have one. >> >> Regards >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >> >> >> > Hello AccessIndia! >> > before raising my small query, I would like to >> congratulate Mr. Kiran >> > Kaja for providing a new site >> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >> delivery now! and, we >> > all the members will stick to the relevant >> subject. >> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >> is using guide dog? >> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >> personally. I would have a >> > few thingsin my mind to know. >> > -- >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Skype: amitbhattindia >> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> > >> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >> longer" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the >> Trusted Delivery authenticated >> > security system. >> > For more information please visit >> http://www.bluebottle.com >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the >> subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, please visit the list home page >> at >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailm
Re: [AI] Guide Dog
Yes it is the same person. i am surprised that you are promised a dog in April 2007. I have paid in May- June of 2005. I havent been informed when I will get the dog. There are others who have paid before me and they havent got a dog as yet. so please email the new tel. nos. and addresss. Iwill have to follow it up. Are there others on this list who have registered for a guide dog? Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "sameer latey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide Dog > > I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who > has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be > receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. > > If this is the same person you are talking about, > Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile > number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the > 15th, about 45 days ago. > > Regards > Sameer > --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Amit, >> there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. >> There were plans by one organisation, to be correct >> by one man, to train >> guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were >> several write ups in the >> newspaper and we even met with him. He had great >> ideas and had studied the >> issues and the socio , economic and other problems >> that would be faced in >> India so some of us have booked a dog with him. >> However at present he seems >> to have disappeared and the project does not seem to >> have taken off. I >> think thats the latest status. I have tried on >> several occasions to get in >> touch but although I havent tried very hard >> to find him. >> So currently no dog for us in India. >> Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions >> and acceptance. >> I am still very keen and I still think if this man >> or somebody else trains a >> dog I would like to have one. >> >> Regards >> Kanchan >> - Original Message - >> From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 >> Subject: [AI] Need to know. >> >> >> > Hello AccessIndia! >> > before raising my small query, I would like to >> congratulate Mr. Kiran >> > Kaja for providing a new site >> www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I >> > Am sure there won't be any problem in message >> delivery now! and, we >> > all the members will stick to the relevant >> subject. >> > Now I would like to know is there any member who >> is using guide dog? >> > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! >> > I will appreciate if you can contact me >> personally. I would have a >> > few thingsin my mind to know. >> > -- >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Skype: amitbhattindia >> > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. >> > >> > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little >> longer" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the >> Trusted Delivery authenticated >> > security system. >> > For more information please visit >> http://www.bluebottle.com >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the >> subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, please visit the list home page >> at >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I have booked a guide dog through Mr. Nitin Sule, who has his guide dog training school at Nerul. I will be receiving my guide dog in April/ May next year. If this is the same person you are talking about, Kanchan, then I will send you his address and mobile number. I last spoke with him in May , aroung the 15th, about 45 days ago. Regards Sameer --- pamnani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amit, > there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. > There were plans by one organisation, to be correct > by one man, to train > guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were > several write ups in the > newspaper and we even met with him. He had great > ideas and had studied the > issues and the socio , economic and other problems > that would be faced in > India so some of us have booked a dog with him. > However at present he seems > to have disappeared and the project does not seem to > have taken off. I > think thats the latest status. I have tried on > several occasions to get in > touch but although I havent tried very hard > to find him. > So currently no dog for us in India. > Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions > and acceptance. > I am still very keen and I still think if this man > or somebody else trains a > dog I would like to have one. > > Regards > Kanchan > - Original Message - > From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 > Subject: [AI] Need to know. > > > > Hello AccessIndia! > > before raising my small query, I would like to > congratulate Mr. Kiran > > Kaja for providing a new site > www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I > > Am sure there won't be any problem in message > delivery now! and, we > > all the members will stick to the relevant > subject. > > Now I would like to know is there any member who > is using guide dog? > > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! > > I will appreciate if you can contact me > personally. I would have a > > few thingsin my mind to know. > > -- > > Warm regards, > > > > Amit Bhatt > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Skype: amitbhattindia > > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. > > > > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little > longer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the > Trusted Delivery authenticated > > security system. > > For more information please visit > http://www.bluebottle.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make > any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make > any other changes, please visit the list home page > at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Guide Dog
Amit, there is no guide dog trained in India as yet. There were plans by one organisation, to be correct by one man, to train guide dogs for the visually impaired. There were several write ups in the newspaper and we even met with him. He had great ideas and had studied the issues and the socio , economic and other problems that would be faced in India so some of us have booked a dog with him. However at present he seems to have disappeared and the project does not seem to have taken off. I think thats the latest status. I have tried on several occasions to get in touch but although I havent tried very hard to find him. So currently no dog for us in India. Anyway It would have been tough to get permissions and acceptance. I am still very keen and I still think if this man or somebody else trains a dog I would like to have one. Regards Kanchan - Original Message - From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 16:17 Subject: [AI] Need to know. > Hello AccessIndia! > before raising my small query, I would like to congratulate Mr. Kiran > Kaja for providing a new site www.accessindia.org.in. to this list. I > Am sure there won't be any problem in message delivery now! and, we > all the members will stick to the relevant subject. > Now I would like to know is there any member who is using guide dog? > If anyone is there, I want to talk to you! > I will appreciate if you can contact me personally. I would have a > few thingsin my mind to know. > -- > Warm regards, > > Amit Bhatt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Windows messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: amitbhattindia > Direct cell: +91-935-006-3109. > > "Difficult we do today, impossible takes little longer" > > > > > > -- > This is a Bluebottle email protected by the Trusted Delivery authenticated > security system. > For more information please visit http://www.bluebottle.com > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
