Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: EPMP 200's always listen on 169.254.1.1

[Steve Jones]

Its by design and awesome

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 11:40 AM John Seaman via AF  There is a way to disable
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> Yeah, I agree. It's extremely useful to always be able access them on that
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
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> IMO it's a fantastic feature.  You are never locked out of the unit.
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> On 12/19/2018 12:50 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
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> Apparently the epmp SM's will always respond to 169.254.1.1 even after a
> hard static antenna  IP of something totally different.
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> Is there a way to disable that? Seems like a security flaw in my book if
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Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[Chuck McCown]

http://pon.fibrain.com/cwdm-overlay-for-gpon-networks,230.html

I am sure there are others.  If you have infinite patience, ask fiber store via 
an online chat.  But make sure you bring a drink and snacks.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 6:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

Can you link to the appropriate MUX solution for this? Or how to cobble it? 
1310/1490 GPOan plus 1550ish DWDM would be interesting.



On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh  On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[Adam Moffett]

It might let you carry a PON to a remote place without installing 
another ONT in the remote place.  You'd have to check your math before 
you put a splitter in between the ethernet interfaces though.  One more 
tool in the box I guess.


An IRU is exactly what got me wondering.  I was thinking how many fibers 
I might need.



On 12/20/2018 8:38 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Can you link to the appropriate MUX solution for this? Or how to 
cobble it? 1310/1490 GPOan plus 1550ish DWDM would be interesting.



On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:


Yep - we have a single fiber IRU we run multiple 10Gb waves as
well as GPON on.   Works fine and let us inexpensively light up a
couple of GPON customers using the existing PON shelf.

Mark


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Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[Chris Fabien]

Can you link to the appropriate MUX solution for this? Or how to cobble it?
1310/1490 GPOan plus 1550ish DWDM would be interesting.


On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh  Yep - we have a single fiber IRU we run multiple 10Gb waves as well as
> GPON on.   Works fine and let us inexpensively light up a couple of GPON
> customers using the existing PON shelf.
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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Inflation.
Bill's general rule of inflation is that the cost/price of
  everything doubles every 10 years. Something that you could buy in
  2008 for $1 is about $2 today. It's not consistent, as some things
  follow the rule, some things under perform, and somethings over
  perform.


bp



On 12/20/2018 4:17 PM, Adam Moffett
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  How many people take you up on that?
  
  When I did managed routers for $5/month we sold that to about 40%
  of internet customers.but we weren't trying hard to sell
  them.  $10/month sounds like a lot, but maybe I'm wrong.
  
  
  On 12/20/2018 5:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
We have no problem renting 844 routers for $10/month
  all day long.  We have thousands of them out on this plan
  and our CSRs get a spiff for pushing them.  Easy money. 
  And really a great deal for the customer that wants the
  peace of mind that it offers.  

  
 

  From: Mark
  Radabaugh 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] support for customer
IoT

  
   


   
  Sell a managed router service for whatever you think
it’s worth.   If the customer pays for the service help
them get it working.   Unfortunately if they don’t pay
for it you still get to help them :-)    With any kind
of luck you make enough off the customers paying that
you never hear from that it makes up for the ones that
make you crazy.
   
  Mark
   
   
  

  On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
   
  



  
I got my first support
  request today for a customer hooking up a
  robot vacuum.  I guess people need to check
  remotely during the day to see how the
  vacuuming is going?  Or the vacuum wants to
  watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum company support
  is telling him it’s a firewall problem.  Of
  course, it’s always your ISP is blocking it. 
  I’m guessing he hasn’t even gotten it to
  connect to his WiFi.
 
Anyway,  what do you guys
  do as far as support for smart vacuums,
  toasters, light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this
  getting out of hand real quick, as people buy
  dozens of little Internet connected
  appliances, and want to call their ISP each
  time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys,
  so I doubt we could make it into a revenue
  source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could
  charge a flat rate per month for IoT support,
  but it still seems like a money losing
  proposition if it takes off, unless you can
  outsource it to India.
  

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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Adam Moffett]

In all seriousness, this would be a billion dollar idea if people who 
need it were willing to pay for it.


The problem of course is that some would rather complain to you that the 
Roomba can't get on the internet, and if you don't do something they'll 
post on Yelp and Facebook saying that you block Roombas, and then write 
a letter to the FCC saying we need regulation to prevent ISP's from 
blocking Roombas.  So we end up greasing the squeaky wheels and even 
designing our network and procedures to make it easier to accommodate 
the squeaky wheels.


I wonder if anyone ever called the electric company to ask why their 
lightbulbs are blocked and their amps are throttled.  I wonder if anyone 
ever called tech support for their new TV and got told that the TV 
doesn't turn on because of firewall rules at the electric company.




My thoughts from a decade ago when I ran the technical side of a hosted
PBX startup:
1) The end service usually fails because of a local LAN issue.
2) The service gets to troubleshoot the LAN, just to keep services
   running.
3) Change your business plan.  Instead of $50 - $100 for your current
   service, charge $120 - $150 for LAN troubleshooting, and throw
   your current service in gratis.

You will end up with the same amount of work, but get a higher return.




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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Adam Moffett]

How many people take you up on that?

When I did managed routers for $5/month we sold that to about 40% of 
internet customers.but we weren't trying hard to sell them. 
$10/month sounds like a lot, but maybe I'm wrong.



On 12/20/2018 5:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
We have no problem renting 844 routers for $10/month all day long.  We 
have thousands of them out on this plan and our CSRs get a spiff for 
pushing them.  Easy money.  And really a great deal for the customer 
that wants the peace of mind that it offers.

*From:* Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT
Sell a managed router service for whatever you think it’s worth.   If 
the customer pays for the service help them get it working.   
Unfortunately if they don’t pay for it you still get to help them 
:-)    With any kind of luck you make enough off the customers paying 
that you never hear from that it makes up for the ones that make you 
crazy.

Mark

On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a 
robot vacuum.  I guess people need to check remotely during the day 
to see how the vacuuming is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch 
Netflix? Anyway, vacuum company support is telling him it’s a 
firewall problem.  Of course, it’s always your ISP is blocking it.  
I’m guessing he hasn’t even gotten it to connect to his WiFi.
Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, 
toasters, light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real 
quick, as people buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, 
and want to call their ISP each time.  A lot of these may be $25 
impulse buys, so I doubt we could make it into a revenue source even 
if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge a flat rate per month for 
IoT support, but it still seems like a money losing proposition if it 
takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.

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Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[Mark Radabaugh]

Yep - we have a single fiber IRU we run multiple 10Gb waves as well as GPON on. 
  Works fine and let us inexpensively light up a couple of GPON customers using 
the existing PON shelf. 

Mark


> On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[chuck]

Yes, essentially any passive mux that will keep the colors flowing in the 
right directions will do this.


This is how they add NGPON to regular GPON.

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Is there a MUX that let's you run GPON and Ethernet on the same fiber at
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[AFMUG] WDM stupid question

[Adam Moffett]

Is there a MUX that let's you run GPON and Ethernet on the same fiber at 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Adam Moffett]

I got some custom assemblies from Fiber Instrument Sales.  It was a 
"core locked" fiber, which basically means the glass is buried in an a 
lot of plastic.  We only got one LC duplex on each end, but I bet they 
could have done 2.


The lead time wasn't terribly long.


On 12/20/2018 3:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


What are people using for Fiber up the tower?

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  
140 foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.


Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

Where are people getting theirs made?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[chuck]

We have no problem renting 844 routers for $10/month all day long.  We have 
thousands of them out on this plan and our CSRs get a spiff for pushing them.  
Easy money.  And really a great deal for the customer that wants the peace of 
mind that it offers.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT


Sell a managed router service for whatever you think it’s worth.   If the 
customer pays for the service help them get it working.   Unfortunately if they 
don’t pay for it you still get to help them :-)With any kind of luck you 
make enough off the customers paying that you never hear from that it makes up 
for the ones that make you crazy.

Mark


  On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a robot 
vacuum.  I guess people need to check remotely during the day to see how the 
vacuuming is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum 
company support is telling him it’s a firewall problem.  Of course, it’s always 
your ISP is blocking it.  I’m guessing he hasn’t even gotten it to connect to 
his WiFi.
   
  Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters, 
light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people 
buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their ISP 
each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could make it 
into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge a flat rate 
per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money losing proposition 
if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.
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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Mark Radabaugh]

Sell a managed router service for whatever you think it’s worth.   If the 
customer pays for the service help them get it working.   Unfortunately if they 
don’t pay for it you still get to help them :-)With any kind of luck you 
make enough off the customers paying that you never hear from that it makes up 
for the ones that make you crazy.

Mark


> On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a robot 
> vacuum.  I guess people need to check remotely during the day to see how the 
> vacuuming is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum 
> company support is telling him it’s a firewall problem.  Of course, it’s 
> always your ISP is blocking it.  I’m guessing he hasn’t even gotten it to 
> connect to his WiFi.
>  
> Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters, 
> light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people 
> buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their 
> ISP each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could 
> make it into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge a 
> flat rate per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money losing 
> proposition if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.
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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Layne Sisk]

We get those types of calls all the time, some of our ISPs want us to just 
support them and some don't.  For those that do we have developed a LAN 
specialist team that helps them with those issues.  We make it clear to the 
customer that the issue is not with their ISP, but that we will still help 
them.  If you have a managed router it does make this much easier.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a robot vacuum.  
I guess people need to check remotely during the day to see how the vacuuming 
is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum company 
support is telling him it's a firewall problem.  Of course, it's always your 
ISP is blocking it.  I'm guessing he hasn't even gotten it to connect to his 
WiFi.

Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters, 
light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people 
buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their ISP 
each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could make it 
into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge a flat rate 
per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money losing proposition 
if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Nate Burke]

Shipping is a little steep, I think I pay about $60 for the shipping.  I 
have not touched or used the Cambium fiber cables yet, but they are very 
cost competitive.  And supposedly built to plug directly into an 820 
radio.  I'm going to be getting some shortly.


SM Duplex LC/LC
N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m



On 12/20/2018 2:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


OK good info.   We had had them quote for the Military Armored cable, 
but the shipping was going to be $590..  When I asked why they told us 
it is very heavy.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:21 PM
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Item 29606, Customized 4 Fibers Indoor/Outdoor Single Mode 
Pre-Terminated Assembly, 2.0mm Breakout Cable.   You can select a 
custom length.  It's not a super heavy cable fiber, so I don't think 
suspension would be a problem, but it also didn't feel flimsy like the 
UBNT "tough fiber".  We've run them vertically on 100'+ grain legs 
without a problem.  I put pulling eyes on both ends just to help with 
installation, helps protect the ends as you unspool.


On 12/20/2018 2:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Nate

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?
These will be hanging 100 feet…

Adam

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*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem
is about a 30 day lead time.
https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html Used it on several sites
and haven't had a problem with it.

Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each
end.  140 foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

Where are people getting theirs made?

Thanks

Adam










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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

OK good info.   We had had them quote for the Military Armored cable, but
the shipping was going to be $590..  When I asked why they told us it is
very heavy. 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

Item 29606, Customized 4 Fibers Indoor/Outdoor Single Mode Pre-Terminated
Assembly, 2.0mm Breakout Cable.   You can select a custom length.  It's not
a super heavy cable fiber, so I don't think suspension would be a problem,
but it also didn't feel flimsy like the UBNT "tough fiber".  We've run them
vertically on 100'+ grain legs without a problem.  I put pulling eyes on
both ends just to help with installation, helps protect the ends as you
unspool.

On 12/20/2018 2:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Nate

 

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?   These will
be hanging 100 feet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is about
a 30 day lead time.  https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used it on
several sites and haven't had a problem with it.  

Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

Adam






 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Josh Baird]

It would be great if they sold hybrid fiber/DC custom cables.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:22 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Item 29606, Customized 4 Fibers Indoor/Outdoor Single Mode Pre-Terminated
> Assembly, 2.0mm Breakout Cable.   You can select a custom length.  It's not
> a super heavy cable fiber, so I don't think suspension would be a problem,
> but it also didn't feel flimsy like the UBNT "tough fiber".  We've run them
> vertically on 100'+ grain legs without a problem.  I put pulling eyes on
> both ends just to help with installation, helps protect the ends as you
> unspool.
>
> On 12/20/2018 2:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Hi Nate
>
>
>
> We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?   These
> will be hanging 100 feet…
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower
>
>
>
> I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is
> about a 30 day lead time.  https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used
> it on several sites and haven't had a problem with it.
>
> Nate
>
> On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> What are people using for Fiber up the tower?
>
>
>
> We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140
> foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.
>
>
>
> Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?
>
>
>
> Where are people getting theirs made?
>
>
>
> Thanks
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> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Josh Baird]

We have been getting ours from Bestronics (2 SM/MM, 2 14AWG DC).

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:03 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> What are people using for Fiber up the tower?
>
>
>
> We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140
> foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.
>
>
>
> Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?
>
>
>
> Where are people getting theirs made?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Nate Burke]

Item 29606, Customized 4 Fibers Indoor/Outdoor Single Mode 
Pre-Terminated Assembly, 2.0mm Breakout Cable.   You can select a custom 
length.  It's not a super heavy cable fiber, so I don't think suspension 
would be a problem, but it also didn't feel flimsy like the UBNT "tough 
fiber".  We've run them vertically on 100'+ grain legs without a 
problem.  I put pulling eyes on both ends just to help with 
installation, helps protect the ends as you unspool.


On 12/20/2018 2:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Hi Nate

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose? These 
will be hanging 100 feet…


Adam

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is 
about a 30 day lead time. https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html Used 
it on several sites and haven't had a problem with it.


Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each
end.  140 foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

Where are people getting theirs made?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi Nate

 

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?   These will
be hanging 100 feet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is about
a 30 day lead time.  https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used it on
several sites and haven't had a problem with it.  

Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

Adam





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Nate Burke]

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is 
about a 30 day lead time. https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used 
it on several sites and haven't had a problem with it.


Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


What are people using for Fiber up the tower?

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  
140 foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.


Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

Where are people getting theirs made?

Thanks

Adam





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[AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[John Osmon]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 01:16:00PM -0600, Ken Hohhof wrote:
[...]
> Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters,
> light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people
> buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their
> ISP each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could
> make it into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge
> a flat rate per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money
> losing proposition if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.

My thoughts from a decade ago when I ran the technical side of a hosted
PBX startup:
   1) The end service usually fails because of a local LAN issue.
   2) The service gets to troubleshoot the LAN, just to keep services
  running.
   3) Change your business plan.  Instead of $50 - $100 for your current 
  service, charge $120 - $150 for LAN troubleshooting, and throw
  your current service in gratis.

You will end up with the same amount of work, but get a higher return.

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Re: [AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Dan Parrish]

As a general rule, only commit to supporting things you can fix from your 
chair. If it requires a site-visit, you'll never make money on it.

--dan



On 12/20/2018 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a robot vacuum.  
I guess people need to check remotely during the day to see how the vacuuming 
is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum company 
support is telling him it’s a firewall problem.  Of course, it’s always your 
ISP is blocking it.  I’m guessing he hasn’t even gotten it to connect to his 
WiFi.

Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters, 
light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people 
buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their ISP 
each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could make it 
into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge a flat rate 
per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money losing proposition 
if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.



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[AFMUG] support for customer IoT

[Ken Hohhof]

I got my first support request today for a customer hooking up a robot
vacuum.  I guess people need to check remotely during the day to see how the
vacuuming is going?  Or the vacuum wants to watch Netflix?  Anyway, vacuum
company support is telling him it's a firewall problem.  Of course, it's
always your ISP is blocking it.  I'm guessing he hasn't even gotten it to
connect to his WiFi.

 

Anyway,  what do you guys do as far as support for smart vacuums, toasters,
light bulbs, etc.?  I can see this getting out of hand real quick, as people
buy dozens of little Internet connected appliances, and want to call their
ISP each time.  A lot of these may be $25 impulse buys, so I doubt we could
make it into a revenue source even if we wanted to.  Maybe you could charge
a flat rate per month for IoT support, but it still seems like a money
losing proposition if it takes off, unless you can outsource it to India.

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Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

[Steve D]

Just pay facebook to have access to your customers facebook accounts and
get those ads/payment due notices inserted into their private messages!
Easy!

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not very effective for the growing number of people who only use the
> Internet to watch video and play games, and never open a web browser, don’t
> even own a computer or tablet, only use their phone for texting and to run
> social media apps.
>
>
>
> I am still a bit shocked when customers say the only way they have to
> check if their Internet is working is to try and watch something on
> Netflix, because that’s all they use it for.  But it’s becoming more and
> more common, and as they say, I’m “shocked but not surprised”.  Soon I will
> expect it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?
>
>
>
> It's the most effective way. I rarely even open mail that isn't checks
> from customers. I don't really look at e-statements either. Automatic
> payments for everything.
>
>
>
> -
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> *From: *"Dan Parrish" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:37:32 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?
>
> You had to be right forever, everyone else only had to be right once.
> Centurylink intentionally blocked their customers' internet access to
> display an ad recently. They could have done a bill insert or even
> mentioned it in an e-bill, but they chose to block internet to show an ad.
>
> --dan
>
>
> On 12/19/2018 10:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Must be related to net neutrality...
>
>
>
> (I keep forgetting to tell (rub it in) my millennial kids that my
> prediction of nothing happening has come true).
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:36 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?
>
>
>
> www.nyan.cat
>
>
>
> Music doesn’t play and counter doesn’t count on Android phone.  Work fine
> on PC using Edge or Firefox, counter works in Chrome but music doesn’t
> play.  I don’t have an iOS device or a Mac to check those.
>
>
>
> Anybody know why?  It doesn’t seem to be related to Flash, or blocking
> sites  that autoplay sound.
>
>
>
> Is Nyan Cat just too old for new devices?
>
>
>
> It’s disconcerting to send someone a link that worked on your computer and
> be told it doesn’t work on phones.  (Also known as stupid little pocket
> computers and mind control devices.)  These days if something doesn’t work
> on phones, it doesn’t work for most people, and if it also doesn’t work in
> Chrome, it’s pretty much useless.  Does Google just not like cats?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: EPMP 200's always listen on 169.254.1.1

[John Seaman via AF]

There is a way to disable

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-3000-2000-and-1000/ePMP-default-169-254-1-1-questions/td-p/51778

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:24 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 200's always listen on 169.254.1.1

Yeah, I agree. It's extremely useful to always be able access them on that IP, 
regardless of how they've been configured.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:28 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
IMO it's a fantastic feature.  You are never locked out of the unit.
To each his own though.
On 12/19/2018 12:50 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Apparently the epmp SM's will always respond to 169.254.1.1 even after a hard 
static antenna  IP of something totally different.
Is there a way to disable that? Seems like a security flaw in my book if you 
ask me.

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Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

[Ken Hohhof]

Not very effective for the growing number of people who only use the Internet 
to watch video and play games, and never open a web browser, don’t even own a 
computer or tablet, only use their phone for texting and to run social media 
apps.

 

I am still a bit shocked when customers say the only way they have to check if 
their Internet is working is to try and watch something on Netflix, because 
that’s all they use it for.  But it’s becoming more and more common, and as 
they say, I’m “shocked but not surprised”.  Soon I will expect it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

 

It's the most effective way. I rarely even open mail that isn't checks from 
customers. I don't really look at e-statements either. Automatic payments for 
everything.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




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From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:37:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

You had to be right forever, everyone else only had to be right once. 
Centurylink intentionally blocked their customers' internet access to display 
an ad recently. They could have done a bill insert or even mentioned it in an 
e-bill, but they chose to block internet to show an ad.

--dan




On 12/19/2018 10:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Must be related to net neutrality...

 

(I keep forgetting to tell (rub it in) my millennial kids that my prediction of 
nothing happening has come true).

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:36 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

 

www.nyan.cat  

 

Music doesn’t play and counter doesn’t count on Android phone.  Work fine on PC 
using Edge or Firefox, counter works in Chrome but music doesn’t play.  I don’t 
have an iOS device or a Mac to check those.

 

Anybody know why?  It doesn’t seem to be related to Flash, or blocking sites  
that autoplay sound.

 

Is Nyan Cat just too old for new devices?

 

It’s disconcerting to send someone a link that worked on your computer and be 
told it doesn’t work on phones.  (Also known as stupid little pocket computers 
and mind control devices.)  These days if something doesn’t work on phones, it 
doesn’t work for most people, and if it also doesn’t work in Chrome, it’s 
pretty much useless.  Does Google just not like cats?


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Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

[Mike Hammett]

It's the most effective way. I rarely even open mail that isn't checks from 
customers. I don't really look at e-statements either. Automatic payments for 
everything. 




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From: "Dan Parrish"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:37:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones? 

You had to be right forever, everyone else only had to be right once. 
Centurylink intentionally blocked their customers' internet access to display 
an ad recently. They could have done a bill insert or even mentioned it in an 
e-bill, but they chose to block internet to show an ad. 

--dan 




On 12/19/2018 10:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 





Must be related to net neutrality... 

(I keep forgetting to tell (rub it in) my millennial kids that my prediction of 
nothing happening has come true). 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:36 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones? 



www.nyan.cat 

Music doesn’t play and counter doesn’t count on Android phone. Work fine on PC 
using Edge or Firefox, counter works in Chrome but music doesn’t play. I don’t 
have an iOS device or a Mac to check those. 

Anybody know why? It doesn’t seem to be related to Flash, or blocking sites 
that autoplay sound. 

Is Nyan Cat just too old for new devices? 

It’s disconcerting to send someone a link that worked on your computer and be 
told it doesn’t work on phones. (Also known as stupid little pocket computers 
and mind control devices.) These days if something doesn’t work on phones, it 
doesn’t work for most people, and if it also doesn’t work in Chrome, it’s 
pretty much useless. Does Google just not like cats? 

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Re: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

[Dan Parrish]

You had to be right forever, everyone else only had to be right once. 
Centurylink intentionally blocked their customers' internet access to display 
an ad recently. They could have done a bill insert or even mentioned it in an 
e-bill, but they chose to block internet to show an ad.

--dan



On 12/19/2018 10:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Must be related to net neutrality...

(I keep forgetting to tell (rub it in) my millennial kids that my prediction of 
nothing happening has come true).

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] why doesn't this site work on phones?

www.nyan.cat

Music doesn’t play and counter doesn’t count on Android phone.  Work fine on PC 
using Edge or Firefox, counter works in Chrome but music doesn’t play.  I don’t 
have an iOS device or a Mac to check those.

Anybody know why?  It doesn’t seem to be related to Flash, or blocking sites  
that autoplay sound.

Is Nyan Cat just too old for new devices?

It’s disconcerting to send someone a link that worked on your computer and be 
told it doesn’t work on phones.  (Also known as stupid little pocket computers 
and mind control devices.)  These days if something doesn’t work on phones, it 
doesn’t work for most people, and if it also doesn’t work in Chrome, it’s 
pretty much useless.  Does Google just not like cats?


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