Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Robert]

Yep, we need the blues brothers to make this all wet...

On 5/31/20 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I hate Illinois Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCtvuIWvnEw

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 4:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

The weather underground, simbionese liberation army, even skin heads.  
They come, they go.


*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:44 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous 
was when they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence.


By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US 
variant of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched 
onto european tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're 
worse than a cult, and they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. 
The vast majority recruited (they have a huge recruitment machine) are 
outcasts, the type that are going to become a victim of whatever 
ideology gives them a feeling of importance. Like any cult, gang, etc. 
They're groomed online until they get given a task. In the mean time 
they're encouraged to promote anarchy. By the time they are engaged to 
any serious task, you'd need Guantanamo level interrogation to get 
them to talk. Martyrdom is heroic. Not getting caught is even more 
heroic to them. Watch how they swarm, they put bodies against a 
target, the actor then moves in, makes the attack, backs through the 
line and disappears, then the crowd disperses and regroups. They're 
very chaotically organized and you have about the same chance of 
breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their ideology is 
as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and they are 
still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because they 
believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to 
believe is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd 
expect. PayPal, GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money 
off of antifa transactions.


These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're 
brainwashed into believing they're similar.


On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert > wrote:


A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared
terrorist group now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against
them...

On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a
right wing group, and right wingers think it's a left wing
group. I reality, it's probably Russkies messing with us.

bp



On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the
Illuminati, as organized groups with significant resources
and power.  I think they are mostly imagined enemies,
vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3
are everywhere.  OK, now George Soros or the Clintons will
have me killed.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

This is edging on violation of lent.

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These
people who try to destroy a person's life and career over
some little disagreements can be business dangerous. They
will band together, and if you dont comply, they will
target your customers and any public facing medium.
Telling them you are a bigot running a bigot company. It
can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its
hopefully just a karen. But this stuff escalates quickly
to outfits like antifa, and they do have the resources in
manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone
around you (I'm fucked because of the afmug archive).

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ
contacts were easy to find but not the local store
where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager there
that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Ken Hohhof]

Seems like Black Bloc is a tactic, not a group.  Dressing all in black so 
police can’t single out individuals.  And what we’re talking about is 
anarchists, not a new thing.  President McKinley was killed by an anarchist in 
1901.

 

https://www.policemag.com/341767/understanding-the-black-bloc

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 3:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous was when 
they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence.

By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US variant 
of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched onto european 
tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're worse than a cult, and 
they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. The vast majority recruited (they 
have a huge recruitment machine) are outcasts, the type that are going to 
become a victim of whatever ideology gives them a feeling of importance. Like 
any cult, gang, etc. They're groomed online until they get given a task. In the 
mean time they're encouraged to promote anarchy. By the time they are engaged 
to any serious task, you'd need Guantanamo level interrogation to get them to 
talk. Martyrdom is heroic. Not getting caught is even more heroic to them. 
Watch how they swarm, they put bodies against a target, the actor then moves 
in, makes the attack, backs through the line and disappears, then the crowd 
disperses and regroups. They're very chaotically organized and you have about 
the same chance of breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their 
ideology is as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and they 
are still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because they 
believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to believe 
is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd expect. PayPal, 
GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money off of antifa 
transactions. 

These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're brainwashed 
into believing they're similar.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist group 
now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...

On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing group, 
and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's probably 
Russkies messing with us.

 

bp

 

On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as 
organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are mostly 
imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have 
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, 
now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent.

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Ugh. Karen's.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but shot 
for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

>From a personal, or 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Ken Hohhof]

I hate Illinois Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCtvuIWvnEw

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 4:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

The weather underground, simbionese liberation army, even skin heads.  They 
come, they go.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous was when 
they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence. 

By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US variant 
of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched onto european 
tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're worse than a cult, and 
they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. The vast majority recruited (they 
have a huge recruitment machine) are outcasts, the type that are going to 
become a victim of whatever ideology gives them a feeling of importance. Like 
any cult, gang, etc. They're groomed online until they get given a task. In the 
mean time they're encouraged to promote anarchy. By the time they are engaged 
to any serious task, you'd need Guantanamo level interrogation to get them to 
talk. Martyrdom is heroic. Not getting caught is even more heroic to them. 
Watch how they swarm, they put bodies against a target, the actor then moves 
in, makes the attack, backs through the line and disappears, then the crowd 
disperses and regroups. They're very chaotically organized and you have about 
the same chance of breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their 
ideology is as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and they 
are still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because they 
believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to believe 
is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd expect. PayPal, 
GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money off of antifa 
transactions. 

These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're brainwashed 
into believing they're similar.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist group 
now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...

On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing group, 
and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's probably 
Russkies messing with us.

 

bp

 

On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as 
organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are mostly 
imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have 
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, 
now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent.

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Ugh. Karen's.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but shot 
for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

>From a personal, or business 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Steve Jones]

These guys are like a gay version of weather underground

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 4:16 PM  wrote:

> The weather underground, simbionese liberation army, even skin heads.
> They come, they go.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>
> Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous was
> when they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence.
> By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US
> variant of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched onto
> european tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're worse
> than a cult, and they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. The vast
> majority recruited (they have a huge recruitment machine) are outcasts, the
> type that are going to become a victim of whatever ideology gives them a
> feeling of importance. Like any cult, gang, etc. They're groomed online
> until they get given a task. In the mean time they're encouraged to promote
> anarchy. By the time they are engaged to any serious task, you'd need
> Guantanamo level interrogation to get them to talk. Martyrdom is heroic.
> Not getting caught is even more heroic to them. Watch how they swarm, they
> put bodies against a target, the actor then moves in, makes the attack,
> backs through the line and disappears, then the crowd disperses and
> regroups. They're very chaotically organized and you have about the same
> chance of breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their
> ideology is as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and
> they are still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because
> they believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to
> believe is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd expect.
> PayPal, GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money off of antifa
> transactions.
> These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're
> brainwashed into believing they're similar.
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist
>> group now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...
>>
>> On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing
>> group, and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's
>> probably Russkies messing with us.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as
>> organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are
>> mostly imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and
>> karens.  I have never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3
>> are everywhere.  OK, now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>>
>>
>>
>> This is edging on violation of lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try
>> to destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be
>> business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they
>> will target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you
>> are a bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.
>>
>> With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just
>> a karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they
>> do have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox
>> everyone around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you
>> (I'm fucked because of the afmug archive).
>>
>>
>>
>> I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy
>> to find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the
>> manager there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>>
>>
>>
>> Ugh. Karen's.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am
>> guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.
>>
>> I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but
>> shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] PtP 450 900mhz co-location with FSK or 450i PMP?

[Colin Stanners]

There was a discussion abut 2 weeks ago, starting at Thu May 14 4:52 PM, on
this topic that I recommend reading.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:39 AM Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Anyone running a PtP 450 900mhz backhaul on the same tower as 450i or FSK
> 900mhz equipment? Since the PTP unit does not have GPS I am wondering if
> there are issues?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[chuck]

The weather underground, simbionese liberation army, even skin heads.  They 
come, they go.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous was when 
they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence. 
By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US variant 
of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched onto european 
tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're worse than a cult, and 
they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. The vast majority recruited (they 
have a huge recruitment machine) are outcasts, the type that are going to 
become a victim of whatever ideology gives them a feeling of importance. Like 
any cult, gang, etc. They're groomed online until they get given a task. In the 
mean time they're encouraged to promote anarchy. By the time they are engaged 
to any serious task, you'd need Guantanamo level interrogation to get them to 
talk. Martyrdom is heroic. Not getting caught is even more heroic to them. 
Watch how they swarm, they put bodies against a target, the actor then moves 
in, makes the attack, backs through the line and disappears, then the crowd 
disperses and regroups. They're very chaotically organized and you have about 
the same chance of breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their 
ideology is as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and they 
are still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because they 
believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to believe 
is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd expect. PayPal, 
GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money off of antifa 
transactions. 
These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're brainwashed 
into believing they're similar.

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert  wrote:

  A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist group 
now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...


  On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing 
group, and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's probably 
Russkies messing with us.



bp


On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as 
organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are mostly 
imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have 
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, 
now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



  This is edging on violation of lent.



  But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try 
to destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

  With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just 
a karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).



  I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling



  On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were 
easy to find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the 
manager there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...



From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



Ugh. Karen's.



On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

  Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I 
am guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

  I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, 
but shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



  From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt 
she spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to 
his manager?



  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Steve Jones]

Antifa is very real, and very dangerous. But they're like Anonymous was
when they actually existed, but primarily not on the same fence.
By design black bloc is cell based with no central leadership. The US
variant of antifa is a corruption of the ideals. Stragglers latched onto
european tactics, terminology and perverted the ideology. They're worse
than a cult, and they have a cryptic and perverted hierarchy. The vast
majority recruited (they have a huge recruitment machine) are outcasts, the
type that are going to become a victim of whatever ideology gives them a
feeling of importance. Like any cult, gang, etc. They're groomed online
until they get given a task. In the mean time they're encouraged to promote
anarchy. By the time they are engaged to any serious task, you'd need
Guantanamo level interrogation to get them to talk. Martyrdom is heroic.
Not getting caught is even more heroic to them. Watch how they swarm, they
put bodies against a target, the actor then moves in, makes the attack,
backs through the line and disappears, then the crowd disperses and
regroups. They're very chaotically organized and you have about the same
chance of breaking a cell as you do breaking an ISIS cell. And their
ideology is as strong as ISIS. They may have been punks at one point, and
they are still physically weak, but they are as dangerous as isis because
they believe your life is not as valuable as what they are indoctrinated to
believe is right. Black bloc "leadership" arent the folks you'd expect.
PayPal, GoFundMe, and bitcoin makes a massive amount of money off of antifa
transactions.
These kids liken themselves to the French resistance, and they're
brainwashed into believing they're similar.

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert  wrote:

> A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist
> group now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...
>
> On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing
> group, and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's
> probably Russkies messing with us.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as
> organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are
> mostly imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and
> karens.  I have never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3
> are everywhere.  OK, now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>
>
>
> This is edging on violation of lent.
>
>
>
> But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to
> destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be
> business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they
> will target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you
> are a bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.
>
> With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a
> karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do
> have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox
> everyone around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you
> (I'm fucked because of the afmug archive).
>
>
>
> I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:
>
> I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy
> to find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the
> manager there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>
>
>
> Ugh. Karen's.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:
>
> Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am
> guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.
>
> I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but
> shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>
>
>
> From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she
> spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to
> his manager?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing
>
>
>
> I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a
> message where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Robert]

A friend just showed me that they are an officially declared terrorist 
group now, releasing a bunch of fed resources against them...


On 5/31/20 1:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right wing 
group, and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I reality, it's 
probably Russkies messing with us.



bp


On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, 
as organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think 
they are mostly imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, 
assholes and karens.  I have never met any of the first 3 in real 
life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, now George Soros or the 
Clintons will have me killed.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

This is edging on violation of lent.

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who 
try to destroy a person's life and career over some little 
disagreements can be business dangerous. They will band together, and 
if you dont comply, they will target your customers and any public 
facing medium. Telling them you are a bigot running a bigot company. 
It can get out of hand fast.


With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully 
just a karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like 
antifa, and they do have the resources in manpower to escalate the 
campaign. They will dox everyone around your employee, when you dont 
comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked because of the afmug archive).


I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM > wrote:


I actually tried to find her employer. Coorporate HQ contacts
were easy to find but not the local store where she works.  I
wanted to tell the manager there that it appears they have a
pro-looter employee...

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Ugh. Karen's.

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the
thread.  I am guessing he said something similar to looters
should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily
killed, but shot for sure. Perhaps a rock salt load.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so
butthurt she spent the time to research where the troll
worked, so she could speak to his manager?

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a
fragment of a message where an employee of mine was trolling
a karen.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Did you select to manage your business page, and then click
Inbox at the top left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser,
the procedure is probably a little different in the FB app.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Nope, no message on FB itself.

*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com 

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:57 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

It was an email. I have not even logged into my account to
see if there was a PM.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:39 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

It may be a legitimate complaint, as in not a scam.

But … and this is just my opinion and therefore worth what
you paid for it … it seems like a very “Karen” sort of thing
to complain to someone’s manager or employer about the views
they express outside of work.  Unless the person is posting
in an official capacity for the company, or is in a job that
involves being the public face of a company.  Or the person
is engaging in illegal acts 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Weird thing about Antifa is that left wingers think it's a right
  wing group, and right wingers think it's a left wing group. I
  reality, it's probably Russkies messing with us.


bp



On 5/31/2020 11:47 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo
  Bois, and the Illuminati, as organized groups with significant
  resources and power.  I think they are mostly imagined
  enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I
  have never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3
  are everywhere.  OK, now George Soros or the Clintons will
  have me killed.
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

  This is edging on violation of lent.
  
 
  
  
But, this is actually a serious matter.
  Sometimes. These people who try to destroy a person's life
  and career over some little disagreements can be business
  dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont
  comply, they will target your customers and any public
  facing medium. Telling them you are a bigot running a
  bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.
  
  
With only having recieved a single one
  at this point, its hopefully just a karen. But this stuff
  escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do have
  the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They
  will dox everyone around your employee, when you dont
  comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked because of the
  afmug archive).
  
  
 
  
  
I hate these idiots, they're the dirty
  side of trolling
  

 

  
On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM 
  wrote:
  
  

  

  
I actually
tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ
contacts were easy to find but not the local
store where she works.  I wanted to tell the
manager there that it appears they have a
pro-looter employee...
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Lewis Bergman 


  Sent:
  Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

  


   

  
  

  Ugh.
  Karen's.


   


  
On Sun,
May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  
Yes
she did.  And there was only a
partial fragment of the thread.  I
am guessing he said something
similar to looters should be shot.
  
  
I
don’t find anything wrong with
that.  Maybe not necessarily killed,
but shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock
salt load.  
  
  

  
 
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Ken Hohhof]

Definitely didn’t have Britt Ekland.  This has a young Robert Blake.  I like 
the cast listing says Nick Nolte as Hippy (uncredited).  It was a pretty low 
budget film so no big name stars.

 

Worth watching IMHO, but maybe I just have very strange taste in movies.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I do remember it, but for some reason I thought it had Britt Ekland in it.  She 
was in some motorcycle movie.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:57 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Have you ever watched Electra Glide in Blue?  I assume one of the streaming 
services has it, might have to rent the DVD.

 

Kind of a cult film, but your mention of hippies reminded me of it.  Google it, 
interesting facts about the director, cinematographer, members of the band 
Chicago having bit parts as actors, where and how it was filmed.  Don’t expect 
it to leave you feeling better about mankind though.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I remember war protests in the 60’s and 70’s.  Flower power - preaching love.  
Pacifists.  My dad hired hippies to pull wild rye from the wheat fields every 
spring.  That is were most of my exposure to liberal thought came from.  I did 
not live in California during Watts nor did I ever live in an “urban” area.  
(That is like a different nation or planet to me.)  But I do remember Peter 
Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and others, teachers, arguably liberal teachers, all 
teaching us protest songs to sing during long bus rides.  But that was all tame 
stuff compared to setting police cars on fire.  

 

We were preached to about Ghandi and King, and civil disobedience.  Thoreau et 
al.   Jonathan Livingston Seagull 

Based on what a white kid in Oregon saw on CBS during the marches in the South, 
it appeared to me that those methods worked.  

 

Where are the hippies?  We need hippies.

 

Still hoping the active denial system becomes easily deployable.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I am hoping it does not take that direction.  I am pretty small potatoes and 
most of my customers are probably rednecks.  

But I do contracting for pretty large nationwide companies.  I guess I can 
always have my wife fire me as an act of contrition if it turns into a 
conflagration.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent. 

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Ugh. Karen's.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but shot 
for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

>From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she spent 
>the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his manager?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[chuck]

I do remember it, but for some reason I thought it had Britt Ekland in it.  She 
was in some motorcycle movie.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

Have you ever watched Electra Glide in Blue?  I assume one of the streaming 
services has it, might have to rent the DVD.

 

Kind of a cult film, but your mention of hippies reminded me of it.  Google it, 
interesting facts about the director, cinematographer, members of the band 
Chicago having bit parts as actors, where and how it was filmed.  Don’t expect 
it to leave you feeling better about mankind though.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I remember war protests in the 60’s and 70’s.  Flower power - preaching love.  
Pacifists.  My dad hired hippies to pull wild rye from the wheat fields every 
spring.  That is were most of my exposure to liberal thought came from.  I did 
not live in California during Watts nor did I ever live in an “urban” area.  
(That is like a different nation or planet to me.)  But I do remember Peter 
Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and others, teachers, arguably liberal teachers, all 
teaching us protest songs to sing during long bus rides.  But that was all tame 
stuff compared to setting police cars on fire.  

 

We were preached to about Ghandi and King, and civil disobedience.  Thoreau et 
al.   Jonathan Livingston Seagull 

Based on what a white kid in Oregon saw on CBS during the marches in the South, 
it appeared to me that those methods worked.  

 

Where are the hippies?  We need hippies.

 

Still hoping the active denial system becomes easily deployable.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I am hoping it does not take that direction.  I am pretty small potatoes and 
most of my customers are probably rednecks.  

But I do contracting for pretty large nationwide companies.  I guess I can 
always have my wife fire me as an act of contrition if it turns into a 
conflagration.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent. 

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:

  I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

   

  From: Lewis Bergman 

  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

   

  Ugh. Karen's.

   

  On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but 
shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she 
spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his 
manager?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a 
message where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the 
top left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a 
little different in the FB app.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[chuck]

I am an optimist by nature.  I doubt all conspiracy theories.  I even feel that 
most guvmnt folks are decent people trying to do a good job.  I have no doubt 
these groups exist, just like the John Birch Society used to be a thing.  Like 
you, I doubt their ability to be a force powerful enough to affect the 
direction of the nation.  

If the the US guvmnt, could not get Castro killed, well... I think you are 
probably safe Ken.

The USSR used to be so good at this kind of stuff.  Now-a-days they try 
polonium, dioxin and thorium.  Easily tracked and not as effective as one would 
hope.  Certainly one sterling example of where socialism shines.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as 
organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are mostly 
imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have 
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, 
now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent.

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:

  I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

   

  From: Lewis Bergman 

  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

   

  Ugh. Karen's.

   

  On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but 
shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she 
spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his 
manager?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a 
message where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the 
top left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a 
little different in the FB app.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Nope, no message on FB itself.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:57 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

It was an email.  I have not even logged into my account to see if there 
was a PM.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

It may be a legitimate complaint, as in not a scam.

 

But … and this is just my opinion and therefore worth what you paid for it 
… it seems like a very “Karen” sort of thing to complain to someone’s manager 
or employer about the views they express outside of work.  Unless the person is 
posting in an official capacity for the company, or is in a job that involves 
being the public face of a company.  Or the person is engaging in illegal acts 
online, like terrorist plots or something, in which 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Ken Hohhof]

Have you ever watched Electra Glide in Blue?  I assume one of the streaming 
services has it, might have to rent the DVD.

 

Kind of a cult film, but your mention of hippies reminded me of it.  Google it, 
interesting facts about the director, cinematographer, members of the band 
Chicago having bit parts as actors, where and how it was filmed.  Don’t expect 
it to leave you feeling better about mankind though.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I remember war protests in the 60’s and 70’s.  Flower power - preaching love.  
Pacifists.  My dad hired hippies to pull wild rye from the wheat fields every 
spring.  That is were most of my exposure to liberal thought came from.  I did 
not live in California during Watts nor did I ever live in an “urban” area.  
(That is like a different nation or planet to me.)  But I do remember Peter 
Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and others, teachers, arguably liberal teachers, all 
teaching us protest songs to sing during long bus rides.  But that was all tame 
stuff compared to setting police cars on fire.  

 

We were preached to about Ghandi and King, and civil disobedience.  Thoreau et 
al.   Jonathan Livingston Seagull 

Based on what a white kid in Oregon saw on CBS during the marches in the South, 
it appeared to me that those methods worked.  

 

Where are the hippies?  We need hippies.

 

Still hoping the active denial system becomes easily deployable.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I am hoping it does not take that direction.  I am pretty small potatoes and 
most of my customers are probably rednecks.  

But I do contracting for pretty large nationwide companies.  I guess I can 
always have my wife fire me as an act of contrition if it turns into a 
conflagration.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent. 

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Ugh. Karen's.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but shot 
for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

>From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she spent 
>the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his manager?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a message 
where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the top 
left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a little 
different in the FB app.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Nope, no message on FB itself.  

 

From: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[Ken Hohhof]

I doubt the existence of Antifa, Boogaloo Bois, and the Illuminati, as 
organized groups with significant resources and power.  I think they are mostly 
imagined enemies, vastly outnumbered by idiots, assholes and karens.  I have 
never met any of the first 3 in real life, but the last 3 are everywhere.  OK, 
now George Soros or the Clintons will have me killed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

This is edging on violation of lent.

 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.

With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

 

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Ugh. Karen's.

 

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.

I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but shot 
for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

>From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she spent 
>the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his manager?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a message 
where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the top 
left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a little 
different in the FB app.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

Nope, no message on FB itself.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:57 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

It was an email.  I have not even logged into my account to see if there was a 
PM.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

 

It may be a legitimate complaint, as in not a scam.

 

But … and this is just my opinion and therefore worth what you paid for it … it 
seems like a very “Karen” sort of thing to complain to someone’s manager or 
employer about the views they express outside of work.  Unless the person is 
posting in an official capacity for the company, or is in a job that involves 
being the public face of a company.  Or the person is engaging in illegal acts 
online, like terrorist plots or something, in which case Karen should contact 
law enforcement, or a moderator for the social media platform, not the 
employer.  Otherwise, disagree with the person online, don’t try to get them 
fired.  I disagree with the new normal that the appropriate punishment for all 
things that offend you is the person should lose their job, even if the 
offensive statement or act had nothing to do with their job.

 

Unfortunately, Facebook will ding you for not responding promptly to the 
message.  Just a minor ding though, I think you can safely ignore it, I assume 
it was a private message not a post to your page.  Or you could send a 
perfunctory reply like “thank you for your message” or “feedback about the job 
performance of our employees should be sent 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[chuck]

I remember war protests in the 60’s and 70’s.  Flower power - preaching love.  
Pacifists.  My dad hired hippies to pull wild rye from the wheat fields every 
spring.  That is were most of my exposure to liberal thought came from.  I did 
not live in California during Watts nor did I ever live in an “urban” area.  
(That is like a different nation or planet to me.)  But I do remember Peter 
Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and others, teachers, arguably liberal teachers, all 
teaching us protest songs to sing during long bus rides.  But that was all tame 
stuff compared to setting police cars on fire.  

We were preached to about Ghandi and King, and civil disobedience.  Thoreau et 
al.   Jonathan Livingston Seagull 
Based on what a white kid in Oregon saw on CBS during the marches in the South, 
it appeared to me that those methods worked.  

Where are the hippies?  We need hippies.

Still hoping the active denial system becomes easily deployable.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

I am hoping it does not take that direction.  I am pretty small potatoes and 
most of my customers are probably rednecks.  
But I do contracting for pretty large nationwide companies.  I guess I can 
always have my wife fire me as an act of contrition if it turns into a 
conflagration.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

This is edging on violation of lent. 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.
With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:

  I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

  Ugh. Karen's.

  On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.
I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but 
shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she 
spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his 
manager?



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a 
message where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the 
top left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a 
little different in the FB app.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



Nope, no message on FB itself.  



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:57 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



It was an email.  I have not even logged into my account to see if there 
was a PM.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



It may be a legitimate complaint, as in not a scam.



But … and this is just my opinion and therefore worth what you paid for it 
… it seems like a very “Karen” sort of thing to complain to someone’s manager 
or employer about the views they express outside of work.  Unless the person is 
posting in an official capacity for the company, or is in a job that involves 
being the public face of a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

[chuck]

I am hoping it does not take that direction.  I am pretty small potatoes and 
most of my customers are probably rednecks.  
But I do contracting for pretty large nationwide companies.  I guess I can 
always have my wife fire me as an act of contrition if it turns into a 
conflagration.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

This is edging on violation of lent. 

But, this is actually a serious matter. Sometimes. These people who try to 
destroy a person's life and career over some little disagreements can be 
business dangerous. They will band together, and if you dont comply, they will 
target your customers and any public facing medium. Telling them you are a 
bigot running a bigot company. It can get out of hand fast.
With only having recieved a single one at this point, its hopefully just a 
karen. But this stuff escalates quickly to outfits like antifa, and they do 
have the resources in manpower to escalate the campaign. They will dox everyone 
around your employee, when you dont comply, everyone around you (I'm fucked 
because of the afmug archive).

I hate these idiots, they're the dirty side of trolling

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:33 PM  wrote:

  I actually tried to find her employer.  Coorporate HQ contacts were easy to 
find but not the local store where she works.  I wanted to tell the manager 
there that it appears they have a pro-looter employee...

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:23 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

  Ugh. Karen's.

  On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

Yes she did.  And there was only a partial fragment of the thread.  I am 
guessing he said something similar to looters should be shot.
I don’t find anything wrong with that.  Maybe not necessarily killed, but 
shot for sure.  Perhaps a rock salt load.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:31 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing

From a personal, or business account?  Was Texas Karen so butthurt she 
spent the time to research where the troll worked, so she could speak to his 
manager?



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



I finally screwed up my courage and clicked on it.  Saw a fragment of a 
message where an employee of mine was trolling a karen.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



Did you select to manage your business page, and then click Inbox at the 
top left?  OK, I’m doing it in a web browser, the procedure is probably a 
little different in the FB app.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



Nope, no message on FB itself.  



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:57 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



It was an email.  I have not even logged into my account to see if there 
was a PM.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd thing



It may be a legitimate complaint, as in not a scam.



But … and this is just my opinion and therefore worth what you paid for it 
… it seems like a very “Karen” sort of thing to complain to someone’s manager 
or employer about the views they express outside of work.  Unless the person is 
posting in an official capacity for the company, or is in a job that involves 
being the public face of a company.  Or the person is engaging in illegal acts 
online, like terrorist plots or something, in which case Karen should contact 
law enforcement, or a moderator for the social media platform, not the 
employer.  Otherwise, disagree with the person online, don’t try to get them 
fired.  I disagree with the new normal that the appropriate punishment for all 
things that offend you is the person should lose their job, even if the 
offensive statement or act had nothing to do with their job.



Unfortunately, Facebook will ding you for not responding promptly to the 
message.  Just a minor ding though, I think you can safely ignore it, I assume 
it was a private message not a post to your page.  Or you could send a 
perfunctory reply like “thank you for your message” or “feedback about the job 
performance of our employees should be sent to our HR department at XXX” or 
anything so that Facebook sees that you replied.





From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT New and improved glitter bomb

[justsumname .]

should subscribe to the dude  and watch his defensive system against
the squirrels stealing his bird seed

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:44 PM  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT New and improved glitter bomb

[chuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[chuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CATOMgU22Nk
Stuff happening.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I’ve often wished vehicles had two sets of controls up front. 

 

Getting tired or fatigued?  Just switch control to your passenger. 





  On May 31, 2020, at 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   

  Just wait a few years...

   

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:44 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

  They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

   

  My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 

   





On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 

So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

How much room is there in that capsule?

 

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get 
out and at least move a bit?






  On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   

  That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

   

   

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

  They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the 
ISS and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and 
let the ISS catch up to them.

  Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.

bp On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned 
docking test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from 
the target.  Nobody had thought it through.  

 

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

 

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
slow down...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the 
"garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough 
left in that to de-orbit. 

I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) 
that illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion 
zone of sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone 
until they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just 
outside the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking 
station. The crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is 
autonomous.

 

bp On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a 
specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same 
guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
land.

   

  Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on 
top of 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

   

  1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

  1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

  1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Ken Hohhof]

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I’ve often wished vehicles had two sets of controls up front. 

 

Getting tired or fatigued?  Just switch control to your passenger. 





On May 31, 2020, at 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

Just wait a few years...

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

 

My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 

 





On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

How much room is there in that capsule?

 

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?






On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and 
orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the 
ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video 

  from about the 5:10 point.

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, 
the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target.  
Nobody had thought it through.  

 

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

 

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are behind, 
you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and slow down...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver 
within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the "garage" 
attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough left in 
that to de-orbit. 

I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The crew 
dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy said 
Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more maneuverable.  
Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this sound right?  Main 
difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 737 
Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Ken Hohhof]

Aren’t all Teslas electric?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I either don’t want to know how you know that, or you have an electric vehicle. 





On May 31, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



My bladder is larger than my gas tank battery. 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

 

My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 

 






On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

How much room is there in that capsule?

 

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?







On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and 
orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the 
ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video 

  from about the 5:10 point.

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, 
the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target.  
Nobody had thought it through.  

 

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

 

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are behind, 
you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and slow down...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver 
within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the "garage" 
attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough left in 
that to de-orbit. 

I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The crew 
dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy said 
Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more maneuverable.  
Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this sound right?  Main 
difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 737 
Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Just a reminder in case you forgot.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Matt Hoppes]

I either don’t want to know how you know that, or you have an electric vehicle. 

> On May 31, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> My bladder is larger than my gas tank battery. 
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
> your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 
>  
> My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 
>  
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
> difference between a car and an RV?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet. 
> They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago. 
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> How much room is there in that capsule?
>  
> Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get 
> out and at least move a bit?
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.
>  
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
> and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and 
> let the ISS catch up to them.
> 
> Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
> test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
> target.  Nobody had thought it through. 
>  
> More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period. 
>  
> So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
> behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
> slow down...
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in 
> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be 
> enough left in that to de-orbit.
> 
> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
> 
> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
> sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
> make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
> exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The 
> crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
> time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy 
> said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
> maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
> sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
> land.
>  
> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
> 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
>  
> 
> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
> 
> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
> 
> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
> 
> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
> 
> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Matt Hoppes]

I’ve often wished vehicles had two sets of controls up front. 

Getting tired or fatigued?  Just switch control to your passenger. 

> On May 31, 2020, at 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Just wait a few years...
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
> your bio-needs before you start out on a trip.
>  
> My bladder is larger than my gas tank.
>  
> 
>> On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
>> difference between a car and an RV?
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>> I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet. 
>> They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago. 
>>  
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>> How much room is there in that capsule?
>>  
>> Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get 
>> out and at least move a bit?
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>> They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
>> and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and 
>> let the ISS catch up to them.
>> 
>> Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
>> test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
>> target.  Nobody had thought it through. 
>>  
>> More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period. 
>>  
>> So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
>> behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
>> slow down...
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
>> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in 
>> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be 
>> enough left in that to de-orbit.
>> 
>> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
>> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
>> 
>> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
>> sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until 
>> they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just 
>> outside the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking 
>> station. The crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation 
>> is autonomous.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
>> time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy 
>> said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
>> maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
>> sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
>> land.
>>  
>> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
>> 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
>> 
>> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
>> 
>> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
>> 
>> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
>> 
>> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[chuck]

Just wait a few years...

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 



  On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


   
  So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

  I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

  They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

   

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

  How much room is there in that capsule?

   

  Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get 
out and at least move a bit?





On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let 
the ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.

bp On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
target.  Nobody had thought it through.  

   

  More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

   

  So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
slow down...

   

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

  It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the 
"garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough 
left in that to de-orbit. 

  I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

  The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone 
of sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until 
they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside 
the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The 
crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.

   

bp On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a 
specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same 
guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on 
top of 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Just a reminder in case you forgot.

   











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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Ken Hohhof]

My bladder is larger than my gas tank battery. 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

 

My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 

 





On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

How much room is there in that capsule?

 

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?






On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and 
orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the 
ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video 

  from about the 5:10 point.

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, 
the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target.  
Nobody had thought it through.  

 

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

 

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are behind, 
you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and slow down...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver 
within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the "garage" 
attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough left in 
that to de-orbit. 

I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The crew 
dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy said 
Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more maneuverable.  
Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this sound right?  Main 
difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 737 
Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Matt Hoppes]

They don’t have microwaves or ovens. Why do they need toilets?  Take care of 
your bio-needs before you start out on a trip. 

My bladder is larger than my gas tank. 


> On May 31, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
> difference between a car and an RV?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet. 
> They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago. 
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> How much room is there in that capsule?
>  
> Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get 
> out and at least move a bit?
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.
>  
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
> and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and 
> let the ISS catch up to them.
> 
> Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
> test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
> target.  Nobody had thought it through. 
>  
> More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period. 
>  
> So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
> behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
> slow down...
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in 
> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be 
> enough left in that to de-orbit.
> 
> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
> 
> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
> sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
> make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
> exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The 
> crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
> time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy 
> said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
> maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
> sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
> land.
>  
> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
> 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
>  
> 
> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
> 
> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
> 
> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
> 
> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
> 
> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Ken Hohhof]

So if Teslas are self-driving, maybe they need toilets too.  Or is that the 
difference between a car and an RV?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  

They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

How much room is there in that capsule?

 

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?





On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and 
orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the 
ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video 

  from about the 5:10 point.

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking test, 
the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the target.  
Nobody had thought it through.  

 

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

 

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are behind, 
you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and slow down...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can maneuver 
within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the "garage" 
attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough left in 
that to de-orbit. 

I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The crew 
dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.

 

bp

 

On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a specific 
time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same guy said 
Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more maneuverable.  
Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this sound right?  Main 
difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 737 
Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[chuck]

I think it can hold 5 or 7 passengers.  It has a toilet.  
They are probably out of it by now.  The spacecraft docked a bit ago.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

How much room is there in that capsule?

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?


  On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


   
  That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.


  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

  They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let 
the ISS catch up to them.

  Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.


bp


On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
target.  Nobody had thought it through.  

More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
slow down...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the 
"garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough 
left in that to de-orbit. 


I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone 
of sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until 
they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside 
the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The 
crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.




bp


On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a 
specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same 
guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
land.

   

  Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top 
of 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

   

   

  1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

  1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

  1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

  1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

  If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Matt Hoppes]

How much room is there in that capsule?

Are they in their seats for 19 hours while they rendezvous or can they get out 
and at least move a bit?

> On May 31, 2020, at 10:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.
>  
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>  
> They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS 
> and orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and 
> let the ISS catch up to them.
> 
> Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
>> test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
>> target.  Nobody had thought it through. 
>>  
>> More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period. 
>>  
>> So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
>> behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
>> slow down...
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>  
>> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
>> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in 
>> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be 
>> enough left in that to de-orbit. 
>> 
>> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
>> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
>> 
>> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
>> sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until 
>> they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just 
>> outside the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking 
>> station. The crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation 
>> is autonomous.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a 
>>> specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  
>>> Same guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is 
>>> more maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does 
>>> this sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water 
>>> or on land.
>>>  
>>> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
>>> 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
>>> 
>>> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
>>> 
>>> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
>>> 
>>> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
>>> 
>>> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[chuck]

That was a nice video.  Very counterintuitive.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

They call it a Hohmann Transfer. They get into an orbit just below the ISS and 
orbit until they get out in front of the ISS. Then they turn around and let the 
ISS catch up to them.

Watch this video from about the 5:10 point.


bp


On 5/30/2020 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking 
test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the 
target.  Nobody had thought it through.  

  More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.  

  So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are 
behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and 
slow down...

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

  It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can 
maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in the 
"garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be enough 
left in that to de-orbit. 


  I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that 
illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.

  The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone of 
sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until they 
make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just outside the 
exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking station. The crew 
dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation is autonomous.




bp


On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a 
specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.  Same 
guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is more 
maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does this 
sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water or on 
land.

 

Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top of 
737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

 

 

1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)

1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)

1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)

1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)

If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.

 

bp On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Matt Hoppes]

Sounds like a lot of support folks I’ve dealt with in our industry. 

> On May 30, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> and reluctant to believe it was a design flaw after the first failure. 

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