Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Chuck McCown]

Gen Z worst case scenario:  “My Firestick is clocking”. Have you seen a doctor?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Internet isn’t strong enough, my Firestick is clocking.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:52 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>  
> Just Say no to internet or should I say Netflix LOL!
> 
> We  have seen a trend where customers check their internet based on if their 
> TV works well LOL
> 
>  
> 
> On 8/27/2020 3:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> BTW we never use a headset, we use those little amplified speaker pucks that 
> you charge with a USB charger.  Drives customer dogs crazy, but sometimes 
> useful to demonstrate an issue to customer down on the ground.  Like yes, 
> their tall tree swaying in the wind is the problem.  Or see how I shift my 
> weight and your TV tower tilts and it affects the signal.  Or listen to the 
> tone change with the wind turbine blades turning.  Oh wow, the tech isn’t 
> feeding me a line of B.S.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>  
> I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
> shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a 
> good test.
>  
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  
> wrote:
> The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may 
> prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps 
> inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software 
> revision.
>  
> The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
> experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so 
> couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of 
> software.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>  
> I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
> integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
> those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
> really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio 
> Shacks, Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the 
> discontinued items bin at MicroCenter.
>  
> Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on 
> the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On 
> top of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is 
> the dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
> extremely high adjacent channel interference.
>  
> I should really put it on eBay or something.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>  
> Sam – Please see this forum post…
>  
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898
>  
> Matt
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>  
> I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
> speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 
>  
> What am I missing? 
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

My Internet isn’t strong enough, my Firestick is clocking.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Just Say no to internet or should I say Netflix LOL!

We  have seen a trend where customers check their internet based on if their TV 
works well LOL

 

On 8/27/2020 3:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

BTW we never use a headset, we use those little amplified speaker pucks that 
you charge with a USB charger.  Drives customer dogs crazy, but sometimes 
useful to demonstrate an issue to customer down on the ground.  Like yes, their 
tall tree swaying in the wind is the problem.  Or see how I shift my weight and 
your TV tower tilts and it affects the signal.  Or listen to the tone change 
with the wind turbine blades turning.  Oh wow, the tech isn’t feeding me a line 
of B.S.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision. 

 

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898 

 

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Dave]

Just Say no to internet or should I say Netflix LOL!

We  have seen a trend where customers check their internet based on if 
their TV works well LOL



On 8/27/2020 3:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


BTW we never use a headset, we use those little amplified speaker 
pucks that you charge with a USB charger.  Drives customer dogs crazy, 
but sometimes useful to demonstrate an issue to customer down on the 
ground.  Like yes, their tall tree swaying in the wind is the 
problem.  Or see how I shift my weight and your TV tower tilts and it 
affects the signal.  Or listen to the tone change with the wind 
turbine blades turning.  Oh wow, the tech isn’t feeding me a line of B.S.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't 
hear shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this 
will be a good test.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some
people may prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and
sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with
updates to the software revision.

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first
hand experience using it with a cable with that specific value
resistor… so couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the
currently released version of software.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz
SM with the integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came
out.  And I built one of those stupid cables, including the 220
ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t really needed).  Have you
tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, Frys doesn’t
carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items
bin at MicroCenter.

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put
that SM on the shelf where it still sits today. I’m not sure why
you’d want one.  On top of everything else, it’s very expensive. 
I think its claim to fame is the dynamically tuned front end
filter, which I guess would help if you had extremely high
adjacent channel interference.

I should really put it on eBay or something.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis
via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898



Matt

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with
an audio speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Steve Jones]

I used to get resistors on ebay.

I havent toned any 450 yet since I dont install a lot. But the fsk was
phenomenal, I rarely needed to do any peaking from gui with the tones. I
quit making the guys the speaker/headset plugs since they always broke them
(i always put a toggle switch that made it a default plug) gave them the
parts and instructions, they never had motivation. That was back when we
still had the project boxes and components in our RadioShack.

Recently one of the installers started using the audio jack, he sees the
joy.



On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 3:45 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> You a funny guy eh.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:13 PM  wrote:
>
>> You usta could get resisters in Canada.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>
>> I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't
>> hear shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will
>> be a good test.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may
>>> prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps
>>> inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software
>>> revision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand
>>> experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so
>>> couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of
>>> software.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM
>>> with the integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I
>>> built one of those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I
>>> suspect aren’t really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No
>>> more Radio Shacks, Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in
>>> the discontinued items bin at MicroCenter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM
>>> on the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.
>>> On top of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame
>>> is the dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you
>>> had extremely high adjacent channel interference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should really put it on eBay or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam – Please see this forum post…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an
>>> audio speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Sam Lambie]

You a funny guy eh.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:13 PM  wrote:

> You usta could get resisters in Canada.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>
> I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't
> hear shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will
> be a good test.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may
>> prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps
>> inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software
>> revision.
>>
>>
>>
>> The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand
>> experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so
>> couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of
>> software.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>
>>
>>
>> I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with
>> the integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built
>> one of those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I
>> suspect aren’t really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No
>> more Radio Shacks, Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in
>> the discontinued items bin at MicroCenter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM
>> on the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.
>> On top of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame
>> is the dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you
>> had extremely high adjacent channel interference.
>>
>>
>>
>> I should really put it on eBay or something.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam – Please see this forum post…
>>
>>
>>
>> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>>
>>
>>
>> I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an
>> audio speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[chuck]

I misspelled resistors in a letter once.  The boss made fun of me and I never 
forgot the difference.
Same thing with circuit.  First day of university, first EE prof, dinged me for 
spelling it circut.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Oh, resisters.  Got it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I think most of the resisters in Canada were probably out in the bush.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:20 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Same stores that sell high flush toilets and incandescent bulbs?  Or can we buy 
those again, wasn’t that part of MAGA?  Wall, toilets, bulbs, done.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

You usta could get resisters in Canada.

 

From: Sam Lambie 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:

  The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may 
prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps 
inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software 
revision. 

   

  The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

   

  Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on 
the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top 
of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

   

  I should really put it on eBay or something.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  Sam – Please see this forum post…

   

  https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

   

  Matt

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

   

  What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, resisters.  Got it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I think most of the resisters in Canada were probably out in the bush.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:20 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Same stores that sell high flush toilets and incandescent bulbs?  Or can we buy 
those again, wasn’t that part of MAGA?  Wall, toilets, bulbs, done.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

You usta could get resisters in Canada.

 

From: Sam Lambie 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision. 

 

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898 

 

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[chuck]

I think most of the resisters in Canada were probably out in the bush.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:20 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Same stores that sell high flush toilets and incandescent bulbs?  Or can we buy 
those again, wasn’t that part of MAGA?  Wall, toilets, bulbs, done.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

You usta could get resisters in Canada.

 

From: Sam Lambie 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:

  The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may 
prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps 
inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software 
revision. 

   

  The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

   

  Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on 
the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top 
of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

   

  I should really put it on eBay or something.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  Sam – Please see this forum post…

   

  https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

   

  Matt

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

   

  I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

   

  What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

Same stores that sell high flush toilets and incandescent bulbs?  Or can we buy 
those again, wasn’t that part of MAGA?  Wall, toilets, bulbs, done.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

You usta could get resisters in Canada.

 

From: Sam Lambie 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision. 

 

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898 

 

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

BTW we never use a headset, we use those little amplified speaker pucks that 
you charge with a USB charger.  Drives customer dogs crazy, but sometimes 
useful to demonstrate an issue to customer down on the ground.  Like yes, their 
tall tree swaying in the wind is the problem.  Or see how I shift my weight and 
your TV tower tilts and it affects the signal.  Or listen to the tone change 
with the wind turbine blades turning.  Oh wow, the tech isn’t feeding me a line 
of B.S.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision. 

 

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898 

 

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[chuck]

You usta could get resisters in Canada.

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear 
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a good 
test.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:

  The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may 
prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps 
inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software 
revision. 



  The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?



  I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.



  Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on 
the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top 
of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.



  I should really put it on eBay or something.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?



  Sam – Please see this forum post…



  https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898



  Matt



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?



  I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 



  What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Sam Lambie]

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't hear
shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this will be a
good test.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
wrote:

> The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may
> prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps
> inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with updates to the software
> revision.
>
>
>
> The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand
> experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so
> couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of
> software.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>
>
>
> I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with
> the integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built
> one of those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I
> suspect aren’t really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No
> more Radio Shacks, Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in
> the discontinued items bin at MicroCenter.
>
>
>
> Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on
> the shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On
> top of everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is
> the dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had
> extremely high adjacent channel interference.
>
>
>
> I should really put it on eBay or something.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>
>
>
> Sam – Please see this forum post…
>
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898
> 
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?
>
>
>
> I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an
> audio speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.
>
>
>
> What am I missing?
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> AF@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Ken Hohhof]

And the store was out of Grey Poupon.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

Plebs just dont understand the struggle

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:52 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Dropping from 4096QAM to 2048 or 1024 is a first world problem.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

I have a link I'm considering like that right now. 4096 has like 27 days annual 
out but I still stay over a gig. 

It brings a ring in and still is better thanni get on my ptp650 and force 200 
link

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:23 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages.  I used to 
think reliability was everything.  Lately, customers whine about bandwidth 
constantly.  If there is a several hour outage once or twice a year, they whine 
a little and then forget it.  But speed is at the top of the hierarchy of 
needs, above things like food and sex.

 

Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links.  I used to 
think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with 
climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL).  So if I couldn’t find an 
intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz channel 
width to get a little incremental system gain.  Now I will go for the most 
capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year was more 
important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year.  And if I don’t need all 
that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future.  The need for speed is 
not going away.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different upstreams 
but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, 
even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else 
(and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.

 

Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient 
to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.

 



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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" mailto:m...@mailmt.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
need to start thinking about getting some more.

Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
 It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
 That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.

 The question is which would be "better"?

 A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
 Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.

 B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
 possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
3rd data center.

 I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
 down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
 install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
 customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
 build out.

 Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
 have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
 mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.

 Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

My techs bug me all the time why does Cambium keep changing the tones between 
models and firmware versions.

 

We recently had an install of a second 450b mid-gain right next to an existing 
one, the only difference was the old one was still on 15.2 FW and the new one 
was on 16.2.2.  The signal levels were the same, but the tones were completely 
different frequencies.

 

I realize many WISPs don’t use tone alignment, and others don’t use it for 
anything but a relative indication for the purpose of aiming.  So most are 
probably wondering what does it matter if a -65 signal is 2000 Hz and after a 
firmware update that same signal is 1000 Hz.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision. 

 

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898 

 

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

What am I missing? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Brian Webster]

And the US Navy is known to pull a nuclear powered ship (any more the surface 
ships are carriers) in to a disaster stricken community/port and become the 
power generation for a temporary fix. It’s certainly one very large generator. 
When it’s a carrier they also become a local hospital and meal preparation 
facility. Their helicopters also make for neat little rapid transit rescue 
vehicles. The only problem is they are also usually a tactical war deterrent 
and each one carriers has its own air wing that is larger than most countries 
air forces. A delicate choice of deciding to help while putting that carrier 
out of service for other deployment duties. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

 

Russia is doing just that.

On 8/27/20 11:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I wonder if there are any regulations about having a reactor on a ship 12 miles 
offshore.

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

 

Mitsubishi was one that came out with a MSR that you buried. I tried to get one 
when I was Mayor of a tiny town on a grant/proof of concept deal but the 
impenetrable walls of the Dept of Energy stymied me. and wore me down. 

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Dennis Burgess via AF  wrote:

There were a number of companies that were working on small buried reactors 
that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay buried ..  need 
more power bury another one.  

 

 

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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

 

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

 

https://www.terrapower.com/  

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some people may prefer 
the tone without any resistors at all… and sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) 
the tone frequency changes with updates to the software revision.

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first hand 
experience using it with a cable with that specific value resistor… so couldn’t 
tell you what it sounds like on the currently released version of software.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

I should really put it on eBay or something.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Robert]

Russia is doing just that.

On 8/27/20 11:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I wonder if there are any regulations about having a reactor on a ship 
12 miles offshore.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
Mitsubishi was one that came out with a MSR that you buried. I tried 
to get one when I was Mayor of a tiny town on a grant/proof of concept 
deal but the impenetrable walls of the Dept of Energy stymied me. and 
wore me down.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
 wrote:


There were a number of companies that were working on small buried
reactors that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then
stay buried ..  need more power bury another one.

*LTI-Full_175px*

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*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the
price plummet?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Ken Hohhof]

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz SM with the 
integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came out.  And I built one of 
those stupid cables, including the 220 ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t 
really needed).  Have you tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, 
Frys doesn’t carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items 
bin at MicroCenter.

 

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put that SM on the 
shelf where it still sits today.  I’m not sure why you’d want one.  On top of 
everything else, it’s very expensive.  I think its claim to fame is the 
dynamically tuned front end filter, which I guess would help if you had 
extremely high adjacent channel interference.

 

I should really put it on eBay or something.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

Sam – Please see this forum post…

 

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

 

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[chuck]

I wonder if there are any regulations about having a reactor on a ship 12 miles 
offshore.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Mitsubishi was one that came out with a MSR that you buried. I tried to get one 
when I was Mayor of a tiny town on a grant/proof of concept deal but the 
impenetrable walls of the Dept of Energy stymied me. and wore me down. 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Dennis Burgess via AF  wrote:

  There were a number of companies that were working on small buried reactors 
that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay buried ..  need 
more power bury another one.  







  Dennis Burgess


  Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer

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  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder



  Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.



  https://www.terrapower.com/  



  On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?



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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Steve Jones]

Plebs just dont understand the struggle

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:52 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Dropping from 4096QAM to 2048 or 1024 is a first world problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
>
>
> I have a link I'm considering like that right now. 4096 has like 27 days
> annual out but I still stay over a gig.
>
> It brings a ring in and still is better thanni get on my ptp650 and force
> 200 link
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages.  I used
> to think reliability was everything.  Lately, customers whine about
> bandwidth constantly.  If there is a several hour outage once or twice a
> year, they whine a little and then forget it.  But speed is at the top of
> the hierarchy of needs, above things like food and sex.
>
>
>
> Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links.  I used to
> think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with
> climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL).  So if I couldn’t find an
> intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz
> channel width to get a little incremental system gain.  Now I will go for
> the most capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year
> was more important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year.  And if I
> don’t need all that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future.  The
> need for speed is not going away.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
>
>
> I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different
> upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional
> wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going
> somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.
>
>
>
> Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are
> sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>  It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>  That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>
>  The question is which would be "better"?
>
>  A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>  Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>
>  B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>  possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a
> possible 3rd data center.
>
>  I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>  down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>  install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>  customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>  build out.
>
>  Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>  have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>  mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>
>  Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Robert]

Pebble reactors..

On 8/27/20 11:21 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:


There were a number of companies that were working on small buried 
reactors that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay 
buried ..  need more power bury another one.


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*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM > wrote:


If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Lewis Bergman]

Mitsubishi was one that came out with a MSR that you buried. I tried to get
one when I was Mayor of a tiny town on a grant/proof of concept deal but
the impenetrable walls of the Dept of Energy stymied me. and wore me down.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> There were a number of companies that were working on small buried
> reactors that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay
> buried ..  need more power bury another one.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> * Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless
> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security
> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
>
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>
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>
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
>
>
>
> Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.
>
>
>
> https://www.terrapower.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:
>
> If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Robert]

Except on Mars

On 8/27/20 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Party pooper.
*From:* castarritt
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by 
rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

There were a number of companies that were working on small buried reactors 
that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay buried ..  need 
more power bury another one.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
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[AFMUG] 450m antenna patterns

[Adam Moffett]

Does anyone have a polar antenna plot for the 3.5ghz 450m?  It seems to 
be absent from the spec sheet.




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Re: [AFMUG] Durable Tower Compass

[John Osmon]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 04:54:20PM -0500, Matt wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a compass for tower work?  Need
> to insure sectors are somewhat accurate.  Compass on phone hard to see
> in bright light etc.

I'd look for a Brunton that is meant for geologic work.  You can sight
with them, take vertical angles, etc.

You can find leather holsters for them to attach to a belt.

Surveyors often had them as well in the before time of non-digital
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Jason McKemie]

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

> If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Adam Moffett]

Thanks.  Never saw that video before, but it hits a lot of the same 
points as the article I read.



On 8/27/2020 1:34 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
Adam, That was talked about here as a great replacement for prime 
rated diesel generators.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtog_gOaGQ=0s

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:30 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Interesting.  I'd heard of tractor trailer sized units. It was
supposed to be a replacement for the big diesels at remote places.


On 8/27/2020 1:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I've seen some interesting reports on what they're calling micro
nuclear generators. Smaller than a car.

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Party pooper.
*From:* castarritt
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to
design by rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio 
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Zach Underwood]

Adam, That was talked about here as a great replacement for prime rated
diesel generators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtog_gOaGQ=0s

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Interesting.  I'd heard of tractor trailer sized units.  It was supposed
> to be a replacement for the big diesels at remote places.
>
>
> On 8/27/2020 1:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I've seen some interesting reports on what they're calling micro nuclear
> generators. Smaller than a car.
>
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07 AM  wrote:
>
>> Party pooper.
>>
>> *From:* castarritt
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
>>
>> I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by
>> rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Adam Moffett]

Interesting.  I'd heard of tractor trailer sized units.  It was supposed 
to be a replacement for the big diesels at remote places.



On 8/27/2020 1:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I've seen some interesting reports on what they're calling micro 
nuclear generators. Smaller than a car.


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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07 AM > wrote:


Party pooper.
*From:* castarritt
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design
by rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the
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[AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Sam Lambie]

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with an audio
speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Bill Prince]

I've seen some interesting reports on what they're calling micro nuclear
generators. Smaller than a car.

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07 AM  wrote:

> Party pooper.
>
> *From:* castarritt
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
>
> I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by
> rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[chuck]

Party pooper.

From: castarritt 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by rapid 
iteration through exploding prototypes.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

  If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[castarritt]

I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by rapid
iteration through exploding prototypes.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Bill Prince]

We could power Mars for centuries.
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[AFMUG] OT I wonder

[chuck]

If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?
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Re: [AFMUG] KPLC-TV tower collapse in Louisiana

[Nate Burke]

Back in the early PTP400 days, didn't Motorola have a similar picture 
and were like 'Look, our radio is still linked up even though the tower 
is twisted and lying on the ground'  Mind you it was at like 30k/s, but 
it was still linked and they were proud of that.


On 8/27/2020 10:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

That will sure mess up your antenna aim.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:48 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] KPLC-TV tower collapse in Louisiana

https://1079ishot.com/lake-charles-television-station-tower-crumbles-during-hurricane-laura/

Doing a Google search, this is not the first time they have lost their 
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Re: [AFMUG] KPLC-TV tower collapse in Louisiana

[chuck]

That will sure mess up your antenna aim.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] KPLC-TV tower collapse in Louisiana

https://1079ishot.com/lake-charles-television-station-tower-crumbles-during-hurricane-laura/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Ken Hohhof]

Dropping from 4096QAM to 2048 or 1024 is a first world problem.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

I have a link I'm considering like that right now. 4096 has like 27 days annual 
out but I still stay over a gig. 

It brings a ring in and still is better thanni get on my ptp650 and force 200 
link

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:23 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages.  I used to 
think reliability was everything.  Lately, customers whine about bandwidth 
constantly.  If there is a several hour outage once or twice a year, they whine 
a little and then forget it.  But speed is at the top of the hierarchy of 
needs, above things like food and sex.

 

Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links.  I used to 
think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with 
climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL).  So if I couldn’t find an 
intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz channel 
width to get a little incremental system gain.  Now I will go for the most 
capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year was more 
important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year.  And if I don’t need all 
that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future.  The need for speed is 
not going away.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different upstreams 
but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, 
even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else 
(and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.

 

Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient 
to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.

 



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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" mailto:m...@mailmt.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
need to start thinking about getting some more.

Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
 It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
 That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.

 The question is which would be "better"?

 A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
 Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.

 B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
 possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
3rd data center.

 I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
 down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
 install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
 customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
 build out.

 Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
 have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
 mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.

 Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.


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[AFMUG] KPLC-TV tower collapse in Louisiana

[Ken Hohhof]

https://1079ishot.com/lake-charles-television-station-tower-crumbles-during-
hurricane-laura/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Steve Jones]

Holy cow, this and bringing back sticky notes takes Microsoft off my
shitlist

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 9:12 PM Charles Boening  wrote:

> How about this?
>
>
>
> Microsoft has finally implemented an official way to use both Static and
> Dynamic IP simultaneously on one NIC. Reportedly, this feature was added in
> Windows 10 Creators Update 1703.
>
>
>
> The key to using this feature is the new *dhcpstaticipcoexistence* parameter
> in netsh.
>
>
>
> https://trae.sk/view/34/
>
>
>
>
> https://superuser.com/questions/679134/add-a-static-ip-alias-to-a-dhcp-interface-on-windows-8-and-above
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question
>
>
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or
> sharing sensitive information.
>
> I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better
> way.
>
> Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.
>
>
>
> Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.
> 192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or
> some such thing.
>
> Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right
> back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go
> to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.
>
>
>
> Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to
> reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from
> time to time.
>
> Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Steve Jones]

I have a link I'm considering like that right now. 4096 has like 27 days
annual out but I still stay over a gig.
It brings a ring in and still is better thanni get on my ptp650 and force
200 link

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages.  I used
> to think reliability was everything.  Lately, customers whine about
> bandwidth constantly.  If there is a several hour outage once or twice a
> year, they whine a little and then forget it.  But speed is at the top of
> the hierarchy of needs, above things like food and sex.
>
>
>
> Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links.  I used to
> think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with
> climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL).  So if I couldn’t find an
> intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz
> channel width to get a little incremental system gain.  Now I will go for
> the most capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year
> was more important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year.  And if I
> don’t need all that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future.  The
> need for speed is not going away.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
>
>
> I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different
> upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional
> wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going
> somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.
>
>
>
> Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are
> sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>  It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>  That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>
>  The question is which would be "better"?
>
>  A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>  Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>
>  B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>  possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a
> possible 3rd data center.
>
>  I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>  down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>  install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>  customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>  build out.
>
>  Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>  have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>  mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>
>  Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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