date:20200926

Thanks for all that info. Can you give me insight into virtualization? What
do you use for tha? I know I probably should use it but I haven't. The
licensing seems really confusing for VM and not sure there are any good
alternatives.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 10:30 AM Ryan McAfee  wrote:

> That's the kind of situation where blades can make sense.
> For general use, unless you have crazy space requirements, up until about
> 8-12 servers, at least, I wouldn't consider them. At a pay-per-U
> datacenter, that could make sense.
>
> Yes, we've used NetApp SANs for NFS/iSCSI. I've also seen good results
> with many other brands of storage enclosure. Even QNAP has a decent storage
> system at reasonable prices.
>
> Blade systems CAN simplify cabling (unless you still need a ton of
> uplinks).
> The HP c7000 system was pretty easy to manage, but we had issues with the
> management cards in both chassis. Over time ping to the OAs would get
> longer and longer until they quit responding and the onboard administrators
> had to be reset. We had the issue with C7000 acquired in 2008 and another
> in 2010. HP, of course, said "We've never seen this before". We just
> accepted it as normal, eventually, and did a failover of the OAs, primary
> to secondary, and rebooted them about once a month. That was non-disruptive
> to the workload.
> HP's converged networking makes a lot more sense to me than Cisco
> UCS's (acquired 2013).
>
> Overall, the blade system increased the price, left us constrained on
> things like memory slots and ability to put in PCI cards and local disks.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM  wrote:
>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. Re: servers (Lewis Bergman)
>>2. Re: servers (Erich Kaiser)
>>3. Re: servers (Chuck McCown)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:05:00 -0500
>> From: Lewis Bergman 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] servers
>> Message-ID:
>> <
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>>
>> I am really glad I read your post. I have always done it the way you
>> describe but thought I would try blades this time. We do have to put this
>> project in Equinix which means power requirements really matter a lot and
>> it costs a decent amount to add more. Do you just have a big iSCSI for
>> storage?
>>
>> By the way Chuck, I did not mention the HP DL20. It is a shallow 1U that
>> could be mounted on a single post rack. Like any single post 1U, it could
>> really use a shelf to add support to the back. They do fit anywhere. Not
>> the fastest machines ever but more than enough to do what you want. But so
>> are Atoms, Pi's and a tone of other tiny form factors. Even the NUC would
>> bang out what you have for requirements.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:59 PM Ryan McAfee  wrote:
>>
>> > Blade systems can be awesome, but they add a TON of complexity over
>> > regular pizza-box servers.
>> > Unless you need the hardware density of blades, I'd much rather have a
>> > stack of HP DL360/DL380 or the Dell R740xd type servers (can't remember
>> the
>> > 1U equivalent on the Dell side).
>> >
>> > I've managed HP blade chassis (2 different generations) and Cisco UCS
>> > blades in a VMWare environment. I've really not cared for either types.
>> >
>> > The 1U/2U servers are much easier to work on, have easy expansion slots,
>> > places to mount disk bays, etc...
>> > Plus you can get a 2-generation old server for a couple hundred dollars
>> on
>> > ebay and other vendors.
>> >
>> > At my $dayjob, we just put in a Dell R740xd2 stack of Hyper-V servers.
>> The
>> > hardware is pretty awesome.
>> > We didn't even consider blades this time.
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:48 PM  wrote:
>> >
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>> >> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long
>> time.
>> >> Thinking blade servers.
>> >> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
>> >>
>> >> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper
>> V,
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>> >> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Mike Hammett

I just bought a handful of Dell R630s with DC power supplies. Cost effective. 




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Subject: [AFMUG] servers 




I need to put in some servers. I want to go durable. Last a long time. 
Thinking blade servers. 
Email, DNS etc, Perhaps in the future DHCP. Other things an ISP uses. 

Suggestions? I like the idea of hot swap etc. I realize VM and Hyper V, all 
kinds of virtualization makes life easy. 
But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

As long as he doesn’t have a pink iPhone with a Hello Kitty case.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

Just messing with you...wife and I have Motorola phones...tough suckers...

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 12:50 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I only use an iPhone because many years ago, my Motorola flip phone was deemed 
insufficient for my work and the company got me a new smart phone.  They 
selected iPhone and I have been on them ever since.  I actually really like it. 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:42 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

But you use an iPhone and probably wear flip flops to Home Depot... 

There is bin where you can drop off your man card...

Lol

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 9:37 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

I did not know Audacity did video.  

Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm home 
movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I 
didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of course I 
didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no experience with 
video editing.  So you might fare better.

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do video 
editing on any platform other than a Mac.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows movie 
maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc etc.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

2020-09-26 Thread Mike Hammett

We mostly use Camtasia at TBW. 




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Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

Just messing with you...wife and I have Motorola phones...tough suckers...


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 12:50 PM  wrote:

> I only use an iPhone because many years ago, my Motorola flip phone was
> deemed insufficient for my work and the company got me a new smart phone.
> They selected iPhone and I have been on them ever since.  I actually really
> like it.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing
>
> But you use an iPhone and probably wear flip flops to Home Depot...
> There is bin where you can drop off your man card...
> Lol
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 9:37 AM  wrote:
>
>> It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing
>> says country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small
>> town “City”.
>>
>> I did not know Audacity did video.
>>
>> Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing
>>
>>
>> You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not
>> the video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or
>> town council or something, then go for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm
>> home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for
>> video.  I didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but
>> of course I didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no
>> experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also
>> have subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo
>> discount on the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do
>> video editing on any platform other than a Mac.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT video editing
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows
>> movie maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.
>> Any other free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc
>> etc.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What's Next?

They are doing some long links with Cambium 6GHz ePMP  from Cd. Juarez to
Casas Grandes to Mennonite Camps north of Cuahthemoc ..tower to mountain to
mountain to mountain to towers

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:24 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I'm curious to see how 6Ghz will propagate through foliage.  It shouldn't
> be good at all and will require CLOS.
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, September 25, 2020 12:57:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What's Next?
>
> How about carrier aggregation?  That seems to be the main advantage the
> mobile guys have over us.
>
>
>
> Or some kind of breakthrough so a MU-MIMO AP doesn’t have to be as big as
> a house and use just as much electricity.  If they were to develop a 450m
> that aggregates 3, 5 and 6 GHz spectrum, it can’t be 3 times the size and
> power consumption of the current 450m. Those factors are already preventing
> me from deploying the 3 GHz 450m in many places.  Too big, too much power,
> too many batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 11:26 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What's Next?
>
>
>
> Yeah I had heard they are opening up 6Ghz.. Shows you how out of the loop
> on the wireless side I've been lately.
>
>
>
> 160Mhz channels.. oh the huge manatee...
>
>
>
> [image: Oh, the Huge Manatee | Know Your Meme]
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283W: www.wavedirect.net
> *
>
>
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> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, September 25, 2020 12:22:06 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What's Next?
>
>
>
> Total guess?   450Wideband in 6Ghz with 160Mhz channels with 32x32 MIMO :-)
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>
>
> So I've been a bit out of the loop on the wireless side.  Since we have
> had Cambium Medusa's as the best you can get in our industry,  what is
> their next line of AP's they'll be pushing to compete against 5g Skylink
> and the rest?
>
>
>
> Or is there anything in the works?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

Thanks everyone.  

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] servers

You can get used off lease servers for pennies on the dollar.  You can get a 2 
socket 12 core 24 thread Xeon machine with 128 Gb of ram and SAS drives for 
under $800 CDN.  All from NOC environments so if you put them back into a good 
environment they will run for years.  

Don't bother with blades.  You won't need that until you get really big.   Go 
Dell, HP or Supermicro.  I've used them all for many years.  They are built 
well and last long.  Supermicro is the cheapest by far but surprisingly well 
built and supported.  

STEVEN KENNEY 

  DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY 
  A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 

  E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283

  W: www.wavedirect.net

From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:08:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] servers

I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.  
Thinking blade servers.
Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.  

Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V, all 
kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability. 

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Re: [AFMUG] What's Next?

2020-09-26 Thread Steven Kenney

I'm curious to see how 6Ghz will propagate through foliage. It shouldn't be 
good at all and will require CLOS. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:57:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What's Next? 



How about carrier aggregation? That seems to be the main advantage the mobile 
guys have over us. 



Or some kind of breakthrough so a MU-MIMO AP doesn’t have to be as big as a 
house and use just as much electricity. If they were to develop a 450m that 
aggregates 3, 5 and 6 GHz spectrum, it can’t be 3 times the size and power 
consumption of the current 450m. Those factors are already preventing me from 
deploying the 3 GHz 450m in many places. Too big, too much power, too many 
batteries. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:26 AM 
To: af  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What's Next? 





Yeah I had heard they are opening up 6Ghz.. Shows you how out of the loop on 
the wireless side I've been lately. 





160Mhz channels.. oh the huge manatee... 











[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ ] 


[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 


STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 






From: "Mark Radabaugh" < [ mailto:m...@amplex.net | m...@amplex.net ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:22:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What's Next? 





Total guess? 450Wideband in 6Ghz with 160Mhz channels with 32x32 MIMO :-) 





Mark 







On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 





So I've been a bit out of the loop on the wireless side. Since we have had 
Cambium Medusa's as the best you can get in our industry, what is their next 
line of AP's they'll be pushing to compete against 5g Skylink and the rest? 





Or is there anything in the works? 








[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ ] 


[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 


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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Steven Kenney

You can get used off lease servers for pennies on the dollar. You can get a 2 
socket 12 core 24 thread Xeon machine with 128 Gb of ram and SAS drives for 
under $800 CDN. All from NOC environments so if you put them back into a good 
environment they will run for years. 

Don't bother with blades. You won't need that until you get really big. Go 
Dell, HP or Supermicro. I've used them all for many years. They are built well 
and last long. Supermicro is the cheapest by far but surprisingly well built 
and supported. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:08:50 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] servers 

I need to put in some servers. I want to go durable. Last a long time. 
Thinking blade servers. 
Email, DNS etc, Perhaps in the future DHCP. Other things an ISP uses. 
Suggestions? I like the idea of hot swap etc. I realize VM and Hyper V, all 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I only use an iPhone because many years ago, my Motorola flip phone was deemed 
insufficient for my work and the company got me a new smart phone.  They 
selected iPhone and I have been on them ever since.  I actually really like it. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

But you use an iPhone and probably wear flip flops to Home Depot... 
There is bin where you can drop off your man card...
Lol

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 9:37 AM  wrote:

  It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

  I did not know Audacity did video.  

  Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

  You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

  Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm 
home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for 
video.  I didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of 
course I didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no 
experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.

  Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

  I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do 
video editing on any platform other than a Mac.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

  I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows movie 
maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc etc.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

Don’t wanna piss off Trump.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You could make a TikTok.  Can you dance?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

VideoLeap for Ipad, easy with lots of options 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 

www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 11:12 AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I got that after it was pointed out to me.

I think I will work on the script and voice then hire someone to match it up 
with images.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

Oh, in that case, go for it.

And I did not mean to imply that Audacity did video.  What I meant was that the 
PowerDirector GUI was reminiscent of Audacity, which I use occasionally for 
audio (things like MOH for VoIP PBX).

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

I did not know Audacity did video.  

Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm home 
movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I 
didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of course I 
didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no experience with 
video editing.  So you might fare better.

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do video 
editing on any platform other than a Mac.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

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maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
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[AFMUG] OT - end of days in San Francisco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4BU74_PT8

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

Newspaper today had an interview with Lorne Michaels about the return of 
Saturday Night Live.  He mentioned skits they probably couldn’t do today.  
Gilda Radner couldn’t do Rosanne Rosannadanna, John Belushi couldn’t do the 
Samurai, Steve Martin and Dan Aykroyd couldn’t do the Czech Brothers because 
they’re not Czech, Garrett Morris couldn’t do News for the Hard of Hearing.

 

I wonder if the Olympia Restaurant would also be off limits.  Cheeseburger, 
cheeseburger, cheeseburger.  No fries, chips.  No Coke, Pepsi.  But it made fun 
of Greek people.

 

And what about the killer bees?  Weren’t they like Mexican banditos?

 

Probably couldn’t do King Tut either, isn’t that disrespectful to Egyptians?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I concur

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:48 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Good one.  According to Ancestry.com I am mostly Scottish.  Love Scottish and 
Irish jokes.  There used to be Mc jokes and Mike and Ike jokes.  I say we 
cancel PC culture.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 25, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Are we still allowed to tell Scottish jokes?

http://www.joke-of-the-day.com/jokes/scottish-private-condom

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

Speaking of prophylactic, did you see the click bait news articles about 
Vietnam company “recycling” condoms as new 

That is a new level of nasty as far as I am concerned.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:37 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I went full Prophylactic with mine. Last time I got a new phone, I put it in a 
super-thin bump guard, and then dropped my glasses on the face when I had it 
sitting face-up on the counter. 

 

I replaced it; the darn thing was only a few days old. After I got the 
replacement, I put the bump guard back on plus a thin screen protector. 

 

Cracked phones are just a pisser.

 

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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:27 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I don’t have a case.  I like it thin.  But that screen protector really does 
the job.  And the speaker is still working so the plastic inside was probably 
compatible with brake cleaner.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:22 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

The second time I had the screen replaced on my S8 I gave in and bought a case. 
 Don’t have a screen protector though.  When it would drop, it would hit on a 
corner or an edge.

 

The Fixit guy thought I was crazy the second time for having it fixed because 
it was still fully functional despite having a crack.  Perhaps he was right.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I have dropped it quite a few times.  It has the plastic screen protector.  So 
far so good.  Have had it a few years now.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

Just don't drop it from more than 10 inches...it will shatter into million 
pieces

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:28 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Was steam cleaning a while back and got me phone coated with greasy dirt, or 
maybe it was dirty grease.  I noticed it got increasingly hard to hear.  To the 
point I started using the speakerphone.  Jenny has a phone fixer guy, great he 
will change out the speaker.  They are available as are videos as to how to 
swap them out.  Nope her guy was just going to clean it with alcohol and a 
tooth brush.  He said you can’t get any solvent inside it...  screw that, took 
a spray can of brake cleaner, hosed it out, Blew it out with air.  So far as 
good as new.

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But you use an iPhone and probably wear flip flops to Home Depot...
There is bin where you can drop off your man card...
Lol

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 9:37 AM  wrote:

> It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing
> says country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small
> town “City”.
>
> I did not know Audacity did video.
>
> Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing
>
>
> You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not
> the video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or
> town council or something, then go for it.
>
>
>
> Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm
> home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for
> video.  I didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but
> of course I didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no
> experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.
>
>
>
> Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also
> have subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo
> discount on the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do
> video editing on any platform other than a Mac.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT video editing
>
>
>
> I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows
> movie maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.
> Any other free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc
> etc.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

2020-09-26 Thread Steve Jones

I concur

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:48 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Good one.  According to Ancestry.com I am mostly Scottish.  Love Scottish
> and Irish jokes.  There used to be Mc jokes and Mike and Ike jokes.  I say
> we cancel PC culture.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Are we still allowed to tell Scottish jokes?
>
> http://www.joke-of-the-day.com/jokes/scottish-private-condom
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 7:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> Speaking of prophylactic, did you see the click bait news articles about
> Vietnam company “recycling” condoms as new
>
> That is a new level of nasty as far as I am concerned.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:37 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> I went full Prophylactic with mine. Last time I got a new phone, I put it
> in a super-thin bump guard, and then dropped my glasses on the face when I
> had it sitting face-up on the counter.
>
>
>
> I replaced it; the darn thing was only a few days old. After I got the
> replacement, I put the bump guard back on plus a thin screen protector.
>
>
>
> Cracked phones are just a pisser.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:27 PM  wrote:
>
> I don’t have a case.  I like it thin.  But that screen protector really
> does the job.  And the speaker is still working so the plastic inside was
> probably compatible with brake cleaner.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:22 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> The second time I had the screen replaced on my S8 I gave in and bought a
> case.  Don’t have a screen protector though.  When it would drop, it would
> hit on a corner or an edge.
>
>
>
> The Fixit guy thought I was crazy the second time for having it fixed
> because it was still fully functional despite having a crack.  Perhaps he
> was right.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 6:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> I have dropped it quite a few times.  It has the plastic screen
> protector.  So far so good.  Have had it a few years now.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:02 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> Just don't drop it from more than 10 inches...it will shatter into million
> pieces
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:28 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Was steam cleaning a while back and got me phone coated with greasy dirt,
> or maybe it was dirty grease.  I noticed it got increasingly hard to hear.
> To the point I started using the speakerphone.  Jenny has a phone fixer
> guy, great he will change out the speaker.  They are available as are
> videos as to how to swap them out.  Nope her guy was just going to clean it
> with alcohol and a tooth brush.  He said you can’t get any solvent inside
> it...  screw that, took a spray can of brake cleaner, hosed it out, Blew it
> out with air.  So far as good as new.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You could make a TikTok.  Can you dance?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

VideoLeap for Ipad, easy with lots of options 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 

  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 11:12 AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com  " mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

2020-09-26 Thread Gino A. Villarini

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To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I would second Colin’s motion to farm this out.  Certainly there must be a 
talented gig worker somewhere who will do this for peanuts.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I put out an email to a guy that has done pro videos for me before.  He has not 
responded.  Probably a millennial that only checks email once a week

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:46 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I think that Ken meant "like Audacity, except for video instead of audio".  

You can try OpenShot video editor, but if you want to release this to the 
public and influence opinion, it may be easier to pay a local media student 
some cash to do a snazzy job instead of spending your efforts to do a very 
basic video that may obscure the message.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 10:37 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

I did not know Audacity did video.  

Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm home 
movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I 
didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of course I 
didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no experience with 
video editing.  So you might fare better.

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do video 
editing on any platform other than a Mac.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

2020-09-26 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
I would probably second that opinion. I needed to do a dirt
  simple bit of video editing and installed Lightworks, which I
  think is one of the most popular editors for Youtube videos. I did
  not find it all that intuitive, but I was also not familiar with
  most of the jargon, and had never done it before. It might have
  been fine if I could devote more time to figuring it out, but I
  wasn't in a position to devote the time.


bp

On 9/26/2020 8:46 AM, Colin Stanners
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I think that Ken meant "like Audacity, except for video
  instead of audio". 
  
  
  You can try OpenShot video editor, but if you want to release
  this to the public and influence opinion, it may be easier to
  pay a local media student some cash to do a snazzy job instead
  of spending your efforts to do a very basic video that may
  obscure the message.

  
  
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020,
  10:37 AM  wrote:


  

  
It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to
  try to block it.  Nothing says country living like
  being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small
  town “City”.  
 
I did not know Audacity did video.  
 
Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a
  Mac.

  
 

  From: Ken
  Hohhof 
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020
9:29 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video
editing

  
   


  
You’re sure you want to do
  that?  I mean the political youtube video, not
  the video editing software.  Unless you’re
  running for road commissioner or town council
  or something, then go for it.
 
Regarding software, I tried
  Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm
  home movies that I had transferred to
  digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I
  didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of
  stumbled around, but of course I didn’t read
  the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also
  have no experience with video editing.  So you
  might fare better.
 
Looks like I paid $80 for
  the Ultra version lifetime license, they also
  have subscriptions.  Also the website says
  something about a 25% promo discount on the
  latest version 19 ending tomorrow.
 
I know there’s a whole
  religious argument out there about how dare
  you do video editing on any platform other
  than a Mac.
 
 
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020
  10:11 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing
  

 

  

  I
  need to make a short political youtube
  video.  I really like windows movie
  maker but it is increasingly hard to
  find and load on a new machine.  Any
  other free or low cost platforms out
  there that are easy to use etc etc.

Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

Oh, in that case, go for it.

 

And I did not mean to imply that Audacity did video.  What I meant was that the 
PowerDirector GUI was reminiscent of Audacity, which I use occasionally for 
audio (things like MOH for VoIP PBX).

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

 

It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

 

I did not know Audacity did video.  

 

Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

 

You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

 

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm home 
movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I 
didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of course I 
didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no experience with 
video editing.  So you might fare better.

 

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

 

I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do video 
editing on any platform other than a Mac.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

 

I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows movie 
maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc etc.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-26 Thread Sean Heskett

I like to also have sync over Ethernet too so incase you loose a sync
source the AP stays up.  But we are in Colorado and can’t always drive
right up to the tower to fix it in a blizzard lol.

-Sean


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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I put out an email to a guy that has done pro videos for me before.  He has not 
responded.  Probably a millennial that only checks email once a week

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

I think that Ken meant "like Audacity, except for video instead of audio".  

You can try OpenShot video editor, but if you want to release this to the 
public and influence opinion, it may be easier to pay a local media student 
some cash to do a snazzy job instead of spending your efforts to do a very 
basic video that may obscure the message.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 10:37 AM  wrote:

  It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

  I did not know Audacity did video.  

  Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

  You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

  Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm 
home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for 
video.  I didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of 
course I didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no 
experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.

  Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

  I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do 
video editing on any platform other than a Mac.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

  I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows movie 
maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc etc.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

2020-09-26 Thread Colin Stanners

I think that Ken meant "like Audacity, except for video instead of audio".

You can try OpenShot video editor, but if you want to release this to the
public and influence opinion, it may be easier to pay a local media student
some cash to do a snazzy job instead of spending your efforts to do a very
basic video that may obscure the message.


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 10:37 AM  wrote:

> It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing
> says country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small
> town “City”.
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> I did not know Audacity did video.
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> Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.
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> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing
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> You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not
> the video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or
> town council or something, then go for it.
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> Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm
> home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for
> video.  I didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but
> of course I didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no
> experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.
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> have subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo
> discount on the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.
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> video editing on any platform other than a Mac.
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> movie maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.
> Any other free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc
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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

It is a local incorporation effort.  I want to try to block it.  Nothing says 
country living like being forced to be in an HOA from hell, aka small town 
“City”.  

I did not know Audacity did video.  

Sadly, I have too much testosterone to use a Mac.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You’re sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not the 
video editing software.  Unless you’re running for road commissioner or town 
council or something, then go for it.

 

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad’s 16mm home 
movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for video.  I 
didn’t find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but of course I 
didn’t read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no experience with 
video editing.  So you might fare better.

 

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have 
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount on 
the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

 

I know there’s a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do video 
editing on any platform other than a Mac.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT video editing

 

I need to make a short political youtube video.  I really like windows movie 
maker but it is increasingly hard to find and load on a new machine.  Any other 
free or low cost platforms out there that are easy to use etc etc.  




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Re: [AFMUG] servers

We are, but I still like hardware redundancy.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] servers

Virtualizing often increases reliability.  You should consider it.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:09 PM  wrote:

  I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.  
  Thinking blade servers.
  Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.  

  Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V, all 
kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
  But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability. 

  Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.  
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Ryan McAfee

That's the kind of situation where blades can make sense.
For general use, unless you have crazy space requirements, up until about
8-12 servers, at least, I wouldn't consider them. At a pay-per-U
datacenter, that could make sense.

Yes, we've used NetApp SANs for NFS/iSCSI. I've also seen good results with
many other brands of storage enclosure. Even QNAP has a decent storage
system at reasonable prices.

Blade systems CAN simplify cabling (unless you still need a ton of uplinks).
The HP c7000 system was pretty easy to manage, but we had issues with the
management cards in both chassis. Over time ping to the OAs would get
longer and longer until they quit responding and the onboard administrators
had to be reset. We had the issue with C7000 acquired in 2008 and another
in 2010. HP, of course, said "We've never seen this before". We just
accepted it as normal, eventually, and did a failover of the OAs, primary
to secondary, and rebooted them about once a month. That was non-disruptive
to the workload.
HP's converged networking makes a lot more sense to me than Cisco
UCS's (acquired 2013).

Overall, the blade system increased the price, left us constrained on
things like memory slots and ability to put in PCI cards and local disks.

Ryan


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM  wrote:

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> project in Equinix which means power requirements really matter a lot and
> it costs a decent amount to add more. Do you just have a big iSCSI for
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> really use a shelf to add support to the back. They do fit anywhere. Not
> the fastest machines ever but more than enough to do what you want. But so
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> > places to mount disk bays, etc...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT video editing

You're sure you want to do that?  I mean the political youtube video, not
the video editing software.  Unless you're running for road commissioner or
town council or something, then go for it.

 

Regarding software, I tried Cyberlink PowerDirector to edit my dad's 16mm
home movies that I had transferred to digital.  Kind of like Audacity for
video.  I didn't find it very intuitive and I kind of stumbled around, but
of course I didn't read the manual or watch any tutorials.  I also have no
experience with video editing.  So you might fare better.

 

Looks like I paid $80 for the Ultra version lifetime license, they also have
subscriptions.  Also the website says something about a 25% promo discount
on the latest version 19 ending tomorrow.

 

I know there's a whole religious argument out there about how dare you do
video editing on any platform other than a Mac.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Josh Baird

Virtualizing often increases reliability.  You should consider it.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:09 PM  wrote:

> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.
> Thinking blade servers.
> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
>
> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V,
> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>
> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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[AFMUG] OT video editing

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Re: [AFMUG] servers

Erich,
What model of chassis and blades do you use?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 8:20 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Go with a blade server with support.  We have a Dell blade server and it
> has been rock solid, we had an issue with one of the management cards (Has
> 2 for redundancy) but Dell sent us a new one overnight (They would
> have even sent a tech out to replace it, but we just used our own) if your
> business depends on it spend the money and get the support.We also have
> stand alone servers that do other things as well (Other POP sites), but our
> primary stuff resides on the blade server.  The server was purchased
> through an acquisition we did and it came with Windows Datacenter on it
> already, I would probably not use it if we were rebuilding the system from
> scratch, would probably use VMWare but it has been rock solid.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM  wrote:
>
>> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.
>> Thinking blade servers.
>> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
>>
>> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V,
>> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
>> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>>
>> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-26 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Fiber+power and syncbox at each AP

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on using 
fiber, too.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid 
ethernet issues.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses like 
1.21 gigawatts.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

If you need sync...power it over that too.

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No 
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field techs 
know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems happen look 
there and try a reboot.

-Sean

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT 
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules to 
provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the 
RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could power 
them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.

Both solutions are managed (can turn th

Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] servers

Chuck,

For the big stuff (mail server and virtual hosts), i use dell R620's I get off of ebay. Knock on wood the run very well. 1U units, not very deep. DNS i just run on some ITX boards, I think they are A6-5200 or in that ballpark. DNS doesn't need much. I run 5 DNS servers in total. 3 that are resolvers for our customers. 1 main server for all our hosts and 1 backup server in the cloud.

email is always fun. I went with the linuxmagic guys years ago. Haven't looked back. I think it is a nice balance of having a system onsite and them doing 99% of the maintenance.

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Saturday, September 26, 2020, 9:45:04 AM, you wrote:

The problem with gmail is paying for each account. Unless we are doing it wrong. Something like $10/mo per account,

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Anything DC is going to severely limit your choices. You need almost nothing for DNS and DHCP but email...useful email takes a decent machine nowadays for all the spam checking and header checks. I gave up doing email ages ago and went to gmail. Best decision I ever made. No need to spark a war, just a sideline comment.

As for reliability, Either Dell or HP I think are the best. Haven't done Dell in a while but when I did I was happy with them. They both make blade servers. I have been researching blade servers recently for a new project. HP has an 8 slot C3000 and a 16 slot C7000. Dell has the M1000e. The HP has a storage blade that holds 16 drives and can serve as DAS, ISCSI, fiber channel and about any other disk access you like. I think you can put 8 of those in. They both have chassis management so you can manage the blades from a central admin console on a hardware level. Dell is more tightly integrated with VMWare than HP from what I could tell but I don't know what that integration buys you.

Both are available on the refurb market.
This next bit may be incorrect but I don't think so from what I could tell:
No matter if you buy refurb or brand new blades appear to come out a generation behind their rack mounted brothers. For instance in HP I think the latest you can get in a blade is a Gen9 server while current rack units and desktop servers are at Gen 10. Gen 10 has a better iLO5 (Integrated Lights Out) than Gen 8 and 9 iLO4. I don't believe you can upgrade that iLO separately as it is built into the MB. Dell used to have their DRAC which does the same thing and it plugged into a special slot so was independant of the MB and could be upgraded but I don't know what they have now. I assume HP moved to the on MB way to save money so I am assuming they have both moved that way.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM wrote:

I need to put in some servers. I want to go durable. Last a long time.
Thinking blade servers.
Email, DNS etc, Perhaps in the future DHCP. Other things an ISP uses.

Suggestions? I like the idea of hot swap etc. I realize VM and Hyper V, all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.

Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - cone of silence

https://youtu.be/Htf15gXDkYw

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:51 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I would buy it if it had one way glass and had sound cancellation I would
> wear it on every flight. Well that is if it has a drink hole.
> On 9/24/2020 10:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Chuck, I know you like the cone of silence from Get Smart.  I keep getting
> ads for this thing:
>
> https://microclimate.com/
>
>
>
> I can’t decide if it’s goofy or creepy or what.  Maybe it’s a joke but
> looks like it’s a real thing.  Hi there, I’m in my own personal bubble,
> literally.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium epmp 1000

Thanks!!! Didn't know

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 8:01 AM Joe Novak  wrote:

> You can't access the AP through the CPE by default like Josh had said.
>
> Configuration > Network > 'Advanced box' > Management Access - 'Ethernet
> and Wireless' has to be selected if you want to access via the wireless
> interface.
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 5:27 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Nope...I purchased two new Force 180s...will configure them over the
>> weekend and install them on Monday.
>> I have tons of work since I was out for so long
>> I am blessed.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:09 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> didnt find the ap?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That IP worked on CPE but I didn't find the AP...

 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:03 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Actually if you can't access it and ping it, you're probably trying to
> hit the master/AP side coming from the station side.  You can't do that
> with the default security config.  You will have to access it on the 
> master
> side.
>
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> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> The radio is accessible at 169.254.1.1/24 if it's a version past
>> like...2015...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:41 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey ..I have an AP radio that I can ping across a PTP link from CPE
>>> but not access via browser.
>>> It seems to be keeping DHCP from getting delivered
>>> I drove to other side and connected to it via switch...even made an
>>> IP address change...I have Internet if I give my laptop a static IP 
>>> address
>>> but it does not receive DHCP 
>>> The RF link is solid... getting  10 by 7 mbps consistently..
>>> Cambium tool doesn't work...
>>> Tried https , nothing...any ideas?
>>> Is radio bad?
>>> Perplexed in El Paso..
>>> Links have been up 4 years.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium epmp 1000

2020-09-26 Thread Joe Novak

You can't access the AP through the CPE by default like Josh had said.

Configuration > Network > 'Advanced box' > Management Access - 'Ethernet
and Wireless' has to be selected if you want to access via the wireless
interface.


Joe

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 5:27 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Nope...I purchased two new Force 180s...will configure them over the
> weekend and install them on Monday.
> I have tons of work since I was out for so long
> I am blessed.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:09 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> didnt find the ap?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That IP worked on CPE but I didn't find the AP...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:03 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Actually if you can't access it and ping it, you're probably trying to
 hit the master/AP side coming from the station side.  You can't do that
 with the default security config.  You will have to access it on the master
 side.

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> The radio is accessible at 169.254.1.1/24 if it's a version past
> like...2015...
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:41 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey ..I have an AP radio that I can ping across a PTP link from CPE
>> but not access via browser.
>> It seems to be keeping DHCP from getting delivered
>> I drove to other side and connected to it via switch...even made an
>> IP address change...I have Internet if I give my laptop a static IP 
>> address
>> but it does not receive DHCP 
>> The RF link is solid... getting  10 by 7 mbps consistently..
>> Cambium tool doesn't work...
>> Tried https , nothing...any ideas?
>> Is radio bad?
>> Perplexed in El Paso..
>> Links have been up 4 years.
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Chuck McCown

The problem with gmail is paying for each account.   Unless we are doing it 
wrong.  Something like $10/mo per account,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anything DC is going to severely limit your choices. You need almost nothing 
> for DNS and DHCP but email...useful email takes a decent machine nowadays for 
> all the spam checking and header checks. I gave up doing email ages ago and 
> went to gmail. Best decision I ever made. No need to spark a war, just a 
> sideline comment.
> 
> As for reliability, Either Dell or HP I think are the best. Haven't done Dell 
> in a while but when I did I was happy with them.  They both make blade 
> servers. I have been researching blade servers recently for a new project. HP 
> has an 8 slot C3000 and a 16 slot C7000. Dell has the M1000e. The HP has a 
> storage blade that holds 16 drives and can serve as DAS, ISCSI, fiber channel 
> and about any other disk access you like. I think you can put 8 of those in. 
> They both have chassis management so you can manage the blades from a central 
> admin console on a hardware level. Dell is more tightly integrated with 
> VMWare than HP from what I could tell but I don't know what that integration 
> buys you.
> 
> Both are available on the refurb market. 
> This next bit may be incorrect but I don't think so from what I could tell:  
> No matter if you buy refurb or brand new blades appear to come out a 
> generation behind their rack mounted brothers. For instance in HP I think the 
> latest you can get in a blade is a Gen9 server while current rack units and 
> desktop servers are at Gen 10. Gen 10 has a better iLO5 (Integrated Lights 
> Out) than Gen 8 and 9 iLO4. I don't believe you can upgrade that iLO 
> separately as it is built into the MB. Dell used to have their DRAC which 
> does the same thing and it plugged into a special slot so was independant of 
> the MB and could be upgraded but I don't know what they have now. I assume HP 
> moved to the on MB way to save money so I am assuming they have both moved 
> that way.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM  wrote:
>> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time. 
>> Thinking blade servers.
>> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses. 
>>  
>> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V, 
>> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
>> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>>  
>> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it. 
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Chuck McCown

DC is not a must.  I have 4000 watts of modular sine wave inverters fed from 
the DC plant.  Just one more thing to fail, but if they fail I am screwed 
anyhow.  They fail over to generator backed commercial power so I am probably 
good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anything DC is going to severely limit your choices. You need almost nothing 
> for DNS and DHCP but email...useful email takes a decent machine nowadays for 
> all the spam checking and header checks. I gave up doing email ages ago and 
> went to gmail. Best decision I ever made. No need to spark a war, just a 
> sideline comment.
> 
> As for reliability, Either Dell or HP I think are the best. Haven't done Dell 
> in a while but when I did I was happy with them.  They both make blade 
> servers. I have been researching blade servers recently for a new project. HP 
> has an 8 slot C3000 and a 16 slot C7000. Dell has the M1000e. The HP has a 
> storage blade that holds 16 drives and can serve as DAS, ISCSI, fiber channel 
> and about any other disk access you like. I think you can put 8 of those in. 
> They both have chassis management so you can manage the blades from a central 
> admin console on a hardware level. Dell is more tightly integrated with 
> VMWare than HP from what I could tell but I don't know what that integration 
> buys you.
> 
> Both are available on the refurb market. 
> This next bit may be incorrect but I don't think so from what I could tell:  
> No matter if you buy refurb or brand new blades appear to come out a 
> generation behind their rack mounted brothers. For instance in HP I think the 
> latest you can get in a blade is a Gen9 server while current rack units and 
> desktop servers are at Gen 10. Gen 10 has a better iLO5 (Integrated Lights 
> Out) than Gen 8 and 9 iLO4. I don't believe you can upgrade that iLO 
> separately as it is built into the MB. Dell used to have their DRAC which 
> does the same thing and it plugged into a special slot so was independant of 
> the MB and could be upgraded but I don't know what they have now. I assume HP 
> moved to the on MB way to save money so I am assuming they have both moved 
> that way.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM  wrote:
>> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time. 
>> Thinking blade servers.
>> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses. 
>>  
>> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V, 
>> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
>> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>>  
>> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it. 
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

2020-09-26 Thread Erich Kaiser

Go with a blade server with support.  We have a Dell blade server and it
has been rock solid, we had an issue with one of the management cards (Has
2 for redundancy) but Dell sent us a new one overnight (They would
have even sent a tech out to replace it, but we just used our own) if your
business depends on it spend the money and get the support.We also have
stand alone servers that do other things as well (Other POP sites), but our
primary stuff resides on the blade server.  The server was purchased
through an acquisition we did and it came with Windows Datacenter on it
already, I would probably not use it if we were rebuilding the system from
scratch, would probably use VMWare but it has been rock solid.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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Office: 815-570-3101

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM  wrote:

> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.
> Thinking blade servers.
> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
>
> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V,
> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>
> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

I am really glad I read your post. I have always done it the way you
describe but thought I would try blades this time. We do have to put this
project in Equinix which means power requirements really matter a lot and
it costs a decent amount to add more. Do you just have a big iSCSI for
storage?

By the way Chuck, I did not mention the HP DL20. It is a shallow 1U that
could be mounted on a single post rack. Like any single post 1U, it could
really use a shelf to add support to the back. They do fit anywhere. Not
the fastest machines ever but more than enough to do what you want. But so
are Atoms, Pi's and a tone of other tiny form factors. Even the NUC would
bang out what you have for requirements.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:59 PM Ryan McAfee  wrote:

> Blade systems can be awesome, but they add a TON of complexity over
> regular pizza-box servers.
> Unless you need the hardware density of blades, I'd much rather have a
> stack of HP DL360/DL380 or the Dell R740xd type servers (can't remember the
> 1U equivalent on the Dell side).
>
> I've managed HP blade chassis (2 different generations) and Cisco UCS
> blades in a VMWare environment. I've really not cared for either types.
>
> The 1U/2U servers are much easier to work on, have easy expansion slots,
> places to mount disk bays, etc...
> Plus you can get a 2-generation old server for a couple hundred dollars on
> ebay and other vendors.
>
> At my $dayjob, we just put in a Dell R740xd2 stack of Hyper-V servers. The
> hardware is pretty awesome.
> We didn't even consider blades this time.
>
> Ryan
>
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>> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V,
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