Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

2020-12-23 Thread James Howard 
Does fry sauce have relish in it?  The picture looked like it and the 
ingredient list (despite the “Top Secret” on the front label) lists pickle 
relish as the  2nd ingredient but no tomato products at all.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Supposedly this is a clone of McDonalds special sauce:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Secret-Sauce-for-Burgers-Dipping-12-fl-oz/757318378

The photo looks like fry sauce to me.


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James Howard
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:23 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

You’re going to kill Adam over cookies?

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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger


As Jean-Luc says, "Make it so."



bp


On 12/21/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I always thought Hydrox was some cheap imitation, but it turns out they came 
first and Oreo is the copy.

Oreo is better though.  I will die on this hill.


On 12/21/2020 1:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could always use Hydrox instead of Oreos. That would be a better cookie as 
well.



bp


On 12/21/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
How could you make one yourself?  You would need a hamburger bun, spam, oreos, 
and mayonnaise.  Where would you possibly acquire such things?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:27 PM
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Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

I may have to make one.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Here you go, Chuck.  Unfortunately you’ll have to travel to China to get it.  
And it’s today only.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1339875467302735872

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

2020-12-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Well then the article that claimed it was identical to McD’s secret sauce lied 
to me.  If it has pickle relish, doesn’t that make it Thousand Island Dressing?

 

I suspect fry sauce came from seeing people at diners mixing ketchup and mayo 
on their plate to dip their fries, and seeing a business opportunity.  Let’s 
bottle that and sell it as fry sauce!  I only know fry sauce as something they 
have at Arctic Circle.  People here just use ketchup.  Or … gasp … eat the 
fries naked.  And I guess there’s cheese fries.  Not to mention cheesy tots.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

Does fry sauce have relish in it?  The picture looked like it and the 
ingredient list (despite the “Top Secret” on the front label) lists pickle 
relish as the  2nd ingredient but no tomato products at all.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

Supposedly this is a clone of McDonalds special sauce:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Secret-Sauce-for-Burgers-Dipping-12-fl-oz/757318378

 

The photo looks like fry sauce to me.

 

 

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Of James Howard
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:23 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

You’re going to kill Adam over cookies?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

As Jean-Luc says, "Make it so."

 

bp


On 12/21/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I always thought Hydrox was some cheap imitation, but it turns out they came 
first and Oreo is the copy. 

Oreo is better though.  I will die on this hill.

 

On 12/21/2020 1:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could always use Hydrox instead of Oreos. That would be a better cookie as 
well.

 

bp


On 12/21/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How could you make one yourself?  You would need a hamburger bun, spam, oreos, 
and mayonnaise.  Where would you possibly acquire such things?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Cc: Chuck McCown   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

I may have to make one.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:25 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

Here you go, Chuck.  Unfortunately you’ll have to travel to China to get it.  
And it’s today only.

 

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1339875467302735872


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

2020-12-23 Thread Larry Smith 
On Wed December 23 2020 09:52, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> And I guess there’s cheese fries.  Not to mention cheesy tots.

chilli-cheese fries are the bomb...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

2020-12-23 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
A local eatery (Alice's Restaurant as it happens) serves sweet
  potato fries as an alternative to plain fries, garlic fries, and
  fried onion rings. They serve them with a brown-colored sauce that
  looks to have a fair amount of mayonnaise, but it's spicy. I think
  the hotness comes from cayenne, but I'm not an expert except to
  say that I like it.


bp

On 12/23/2020 7:52 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Well then the article that claimed it was
  identical to McD’s secret sauce lied to me.  If it has pickle
  relish, doesn’t that make it Thousand Island Dressing?
 
I suspect fry sauce came from seeing people
  at diners mixing ketchup and mayo on their plate to dip their
  fries, and seeing a business opportunity.  Let’s bottle that
  and sell it as fry sauce!  I only know fry sauce as something
  they have at Arctic Circle.  People here just use ketchup.  Or
  … gasp … eat the fries naked.  And I guess there’s cheese
  fries.  Not to mention cheesy tots.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of James
  Howard
  Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:34 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam
  burger
  

 
Does fry sauce have relish in it?  The
  picture looked like it and the ingredient list (despite the
  “Top Secret” on the front label) lists pickle relish as the  2nd
  ingredient but no tomato products at all.
 

  
From: AF  On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:00 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam
  burger
  

 
Supposedly this is a clone of McDonalds
  special sauce:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Secret-Sauce-for-Burgers-Dipping-12-fl-oz/757318378
 
The photo looks like fry sauce to me.
 
 

  
From: AF  On
Behalf Of James Howard
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:23 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam
  burger
  

 
You’re going to
kill Adam over cookies?
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:52 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam
  burger
  

 
As Jean-Luc says, "Make it so."
 
bp


  On 12/21/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett
wrote:


  I always thought Hydrox was some cheap imitation, but it
turns out they came first and Oreo is the copy. 
  Oreo is better though.  I will die on this hill.
   
  
On 12/21/2020 1:42 PM, Bill Prince
  wrote:
  
  
You could always use Hydrox instead of Oreos. That would
  be a better cookie as well.
 
bp


  On 12/21/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:


  
How could you make one yourself? 
  You would need a hamburger bun, spam, oreos, and
  mayonnaise.  Where would you possibly acquire such
  things?
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:27 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo
  Spam burger
  

 

  

  I may
  have to make one.  


  

   


  
From:
Ken Hohhof 
  
  
Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

2020-12-23 Thread James Howard 
Actually, the recipes that I’ve seen to make your own Thousand Island dressing 
all have ketchup in them.  Maybe that’s actually the “secret” that McD’s sauce 
has vs Thousand Island is no ketchup?

I’ve never bought fry sauce but we do occasionally mix mayo and ketchup and 
some of my kids love that but other’s not so much.  I am going to get a bottle 
of that stuff from Walmart if I ever see it there though (I maybe go to Walmart 
once every few months) just to see if it’s close to Big Mac flavor.  It would 
interesting to put that on a burger that wasn’t a tiny little piece of gray 
matter.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Well then the article that claimed it was identical to McD’s secret sauce lied 
to me.  If it has pickle relish, doesn’t that make it Thousand Island Dressing?

I suspect fry sauce came from seeing people at diners mixing ketchup and mayo 
on their plate to dip their fries, and seeing a business opportunity.  Let’s 
bottle that and sell it as fry sauce!  I only know fry sauce as something they 
have at Arctic Circle.  People here just use ketchup.  Or … gasp … eat the 
fries naked.  And I guess there’s cheese fries.  Not to mention cheesy tots.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Does fry sauce have relish in it?  The picture looked like it and the 
ingredient list (despite the “Top Secret” on the front label) lists pickle 
relish as the  2nd ingredient but no tomato products at all.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Supposedly this is a clone of McDonalds special sauce:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Secret-Sauce-for-Burgers-Dipping-12-fl-oz/757318378

The photo looks like fry sauce to me.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:23 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

You’re going to kill Adam over cookies?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger


As Jean-Luc says, "Make it so."



bp


On 12/21/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I always thought Hydrox was some cheap imitation, but it turns out they came 
first and Oreo is the copy.

Oreo is better though.  I will die on this hill.


On 12/21/2020 1:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could always use Hydrox instead of Oreos. That would be a better cookie as 
well.



bp


On 12/21/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
How could you make one yourself?  You would need a hamburger bun, spam, oreos, 
and mayonnaise.  Where would you possibly acquire such things?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

I may have to make one.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

Here you go, Chuck.  Unfortunately you’ll have to travel to China to get it.  
And it’s today only.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1339875467302735872

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[AFMUG] cnMaestro any issues?

2020-12-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Anybody else unable to log into their cloud account?  I'm out in the field
so it could be at my end, but it doesn't look like it.

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[AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they need 
steel toed boots.
We don’t provide safety glasses.  

Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls and 
claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting workers 
compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the doctor).

I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker phone, 
Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced him to 
do the right thing. He apologized.  

Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

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spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro any issues?

2020-12-23 Thread Jason Wilson 
I was just in my account a few minutes ago.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 11:59 Ken Hohhof  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

2020-12-23 Thread Daniel White 
Algo (https://www.algosolutions.com/) and CyberData
(https://www.cyberdata.net/collections/sip) are the go to brands for
paging equipment that is SIP compatible along with adapters.  Viking
Electronics (https://www.vikingelectronics.com/) does make a number of
items that make it easy to work with old paging systems.  I didn't look
at the manual, but the RAD-1A
(https://www.vikingelectronics.com//products/rad-1a/) from Viking is
probably what you are looking for paired with an ATA.

Depending on the layout and configuration of what you are working with
you can do certain things with a standard ATA (usually just FXS ports)
and certain things with an ATA with an FXO port (these usually have FXS
ports as well).

As far as Atheral goes... I won't support trying to jury rig an ATA into
these situations typically just because they can be finicky and I can't
see how someone is installing something.  Although some ATA
manufacturers have different terms for configurations that should do
what you want, in my experience they typically don't behave the way I'd
expect.  Algo, CyberData, and Viking make all of this stuff simple so it
is just better to go that route.

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> Nate Burke 
> December 22, 2020 at 17:02
> So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in
> High School
>
> Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone
> system over to VoIP.
>
> I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf
>
> It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with
> Any Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to
> plug into it?  Or is this something special?
>
> There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page
> Ring'  And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the
> 2 wires that would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?
>
> Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

2020-12-23 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
If you configure an ATA that will actually draw dial tone from a POTS line, 
then it will work with this paging adapter.  I think that would be an FXS 
config.  FXO would give you dial tone from the ATA.  Been a very long time 
since I use the linksys/cisco spa products to extend dial tone over the 
internet, but they seemed to work fine.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Nate Burke 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

Algo (https://www.algosolutions.com/) and CyberData 
(https://www.cyberdata.net/collections/sip) are the go to brands for paging 
equipment that is SIP compatible along with adapters.  Viking Electronics 
(https://www.vikingelectronics.com/) does make a number of items that make it 
easy to work with old paging systems.  I didn't look at the manual, but the 
RAD-1A (https://www.vikingelectronics.com//products/rad-1a/) from Viking is 
probably what you are looking for paired with an ATA.

Depending on the layout and configuration of what you are working with you can 
do certain things with a standard ATA (usually just FXS ports) and certain 
things with an ATA with an FXO port (these usually have FXS ports as well).

As far as Atheral goes... I won't support trying to jury rig an ATA into these 
situations typically just because they can be finicky and I can't see how 
someone is installing something.  Although some ATA manufacturers have 
different terms for configurations that should do what you want, in my 
experience they typically don't behave the way I'd expect.  Algo, CyberData, 
and Viking make all of this stuff simple so it is just better to go that route.


 Daniel White
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direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
 

  Nate BurkeDecember 22, 2020 at 17:02
  So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in High 
School 

  Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone system 
over to VoIP. 

  I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf 

  It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any 
Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug into it?  
Or is this something special? 

  There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page Ring'  
And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2 wires that 
would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing? 

  Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before? 








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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

2020-12-23 Thread Dev 
In utility pole world, those “sidewalk guys” are sometimes called Queen’s 
posts, super common, very strong. They’re normally anchored with 5-6 foot 
anchors you twist into the bottom of a hole and fill and compact with rocks. 
All cheap and plentiful to buy. Same concept used to rig sailboat masts which 
work just fine, even being anchored at multiple points up the mast like 20, 40 
feet etc.

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> That’s a consideration thanks Bill
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 14:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some sort of strong 
>> arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get fairly robust schedule 40 
>> pipe in 28' lengths around here. That would allow you to brace 2/3 of the 
>> way or so. With a strong arm, it would brace both in compression and 
>> extension.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House wrote:
>>> Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
>>> service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot 
>>> into it
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  
  wrote:
 
 
 I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true 
 self-supporter?  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
  
 From: AF   On 
 Behalf Of Craig House
 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
  
 Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way 
 taller 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
 guy it properly?
  
 On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave >>> > wrote:
 How is it unstable?
  does it wobble?
 or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
 
 Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
 middle bottom.
 more if needed
 
  
 
 On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
 On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
 wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
 wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  
 Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
 The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
 tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
  
 I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
 degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
 neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
 make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
 for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
 not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
 design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
 some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
 the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
 unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might 
 help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base 
 but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

2020-12-23 Thread Craig House 
The sailboat mouse store exactly where I came up with this idea to start with 
I’ve also seen them used on green legs that may not be running perfectly 
vertical where they’re trying to support the big pipe on a long stretch of 
unsupported run otherwise

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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 15:41, Dev  wrote:
> 
> In utility pole world, those “sidewalk guys” are sometimes called Queen’s 
> posts, super common, very strong. They’re normally anchored with 5-6 foot 
> anchors you twist into the bottom of a hole and fill and compact with rocks. 
> All cheap and plentiful to buy. Same concept used to rig sailboat masts which 
> work just fine, even being anchored at multiple points up the mast like 20, 
> 40 feet etc.
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s a consideration thanks Bill
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 22, 2020, at 14:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some sort of 
>>> strong arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get fairly robust 
>>> schedule 40 pipe in 28' lengths around here. That would allow you to brace 
>>> 2/3 of the way or so. With a strong arm, it would brace both in compression 
>>> and extension.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
 On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House wrote:
 Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
 service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot 
 into it
 
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>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
> 
> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true 
> self-supporter?  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>  
> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way 
> taller 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough 
> to guy it properly?
>  
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
> How is it unstable?
>  does it wobble?
> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
> 
> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
> middle bottom.
> more if needed
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep. 
>  Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>  
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like 
> to make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been 
> there for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so 
> it is not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy 
> wire design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower 
> using some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might 
> make the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some 
> of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it 
> might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from 
> the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the 
> base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Dave 

Sounds like the rest of the world... Im entitled to everything.. Me me me!


On 12/23/2020 2:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them 
they need steel toed boots.

We don’t provide safety glasses.
Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he 
calls and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening 
legal action, called my wife a F.. C...
(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting 
workers compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to 
the doctor).
I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on 
speaker phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole 
but I convinced him to do the right thing. He apologized.
Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.
Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  
Potholing does spray mud.  And they are cheap.

I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...

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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro any issues?

2020-12-23 Thread Dave 

its net neutrality coming back :)


On 12/23/2020 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody else unable to log into their cloud account?  I’m out in the 
field so it could be at my end, but it doesn’t look like it.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Saying bad things about your wife reminds me of an old joke.

 

Boss:  Where are you from?

Employee:  Canada.

Boss:  Why did you leave Canada?

Employee:  There’s nothing up there but whores and hockey players.

Boss:  My wife is from Canada.

Employee:  What team did she play for?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 5:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

 

Sounds like the rest of the world... Im entitled to everything.. Me me me!

 

On 12/23/2020 2:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they need 
steel toed boots.

We don’t provide safety glasses.  

 

Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls and 
claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

 

(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting workers 
compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the doctor).

 

I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker phone, 
Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced him to 
do the right thing. He apologized.  

 

Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

 

Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing does 
spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

 

I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...





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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Steve Jones 
Eye protection is an employer responsibility.
Calling a mans wife those words mitigates all that.
If a random plane ticket were to show up here with a street address on a
piece of paper, he could have his eyes examined. It's best to get the whole
thing out so a guy can get a real good look at the entire eye. It's about
being thorough

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 5:47 PM Dave  wrote:

> Sounds like the rest of the world... Im entitled to everything.. Me me me!
>
>
> On 12/23/2020 2:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they
> need steel toed boots.
> We don’t provide safety glasses.
>
> Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls
> and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal
> action, called my wife a F.. C...
>
> (He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting
> workers compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the
> doctor).
>
> I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker
> phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I
> convinced him to do the right thing. He apologized.
>
> Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not
> apologize.
>
> Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing
> does spray mud.  And they are cheap.
>
> I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I just discovered one of the team leaders tells all new hires where the safety 
glasses are and to get some.  He specifically remembers telling this guy to get 
some.  But we are making it part of the “onboarding” process.  Adding it to the 
paper they sign saying they got PPE.  

It was satisfying getting him to knuckle under and apologize with just my 
winning personality...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 5:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

Eye protection is an employer responsibility.  
Calling a mans wife those words mitigates all that.
If a random plane ticket were to show up here with a street address on a piece 
of paper, he could have his eyes examined. It's best to get the whole thing out 
so a guy can get a real good look at the entire eye. It's about being thorough 

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 5:47 PM Dave  wrote:

  Sounds like the rest of the world... Im entitled to everything.. Me me me!



  On 12/23/2020 2:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they 
need steel toed boots.
We don’t provide safety glasses.  

Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls 
and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting 
workers compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the 
doctor).

I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker 
phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced 
him to do the right thing. He apologized.  

Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing 
does spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...

 
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[AFMUG] OT - Spark Outrage

2020-12-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Not trying to start a political discussion, but I went to look something up
and a news headline on the home page said "Trump Pardons Spark Outrage".

 

I guess my brain was worn down from all the day-before-a-holiday support
calls, but I probably spent a full 15 seconds trying to remember who this
guy Spark Outrage was, and why he needed a pardon.  I thought maybe he was
an associate of Lev and Igor.

 

That would be a good name for an electrician in a graphic novel.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Spark Outrage

2020-12-23 Thread Jason Wilson 
I had to read it a few times wondering what the outage was.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 17:04 Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not trying to start a political discussion, but I went to look something
> up and a news headline on the home page said “Trump Pardons Spark Outrage”.
>
>
>
> I guess my brain was worn down from all the day-before-a-holiday support
> calls, but I probably spent a full 15 seconds trying to remember who this
> guy Spark Outrage was, and why he needed a pardon.  I thought maybe he was
> an associate of Lev and Igor.
>
>
>
> That would be a good name for an electrician in a graphic novel.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Spark Outrage

2020-12-23 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
He is the red-necked brother of Buzz Lightyear. 

Headline authoring is running out of superlatives.  We are all getting 
superlative and bombast immune.  To get us to read crap they may have to resort 
to the opposite tact.  “Trump pardons welcome by some”

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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not trying to start a political discussion, but I went to look something up 
> and a news headline on the home page said “Trump Pardons Spark Outrage”.
>  
> I guess my brain was worn down from all the day-before-a-holiday support 
> calls, but I probably spent a full 15 seconds trying to remember who this guy 
> Spark Outrage was, and why he needed a pardon.  I thought maybe he was an 
> associate of Lev and Igor.
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 


Wow..Merry Christmas.. lol :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT PPE


  We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they need 
steel toed boots.
  We don’t provide safety glasses.  

  Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls 
and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

  (He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting workers 
compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the doctor).

  I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker 
phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced 
him to do the right thing. He apologized.  

  Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

  Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing does 
spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

  I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...


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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

2020-12-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
If you search for the origin of the traditional toast “here’s mud in your eye”, 
there seem to be two competing explanations.

 

One is that it comes from horse racing, where all the jockeys except the leader 
will get mud kicked in their eye.

 

The other is that it comes from Jesus curing a blind man by rubbing mud in his 
eye.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/john/9?lang=eng

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

 

 

 

Wow..Merry Christmas.. lol :)

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Chuck McCown via AF   

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Cc: Chuck McCown   

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:07 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] OT PPE

 

We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them they need 
steel toed boots.

We don’t provide safety glasses.  

 

Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he calls and 
claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening legal action, 
called my wife a F.. C...

 

(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting workers 
compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to the doctor).

 

I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on speaker phone, 
Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole but I convinced him to 
do the right thing. He apologized.  

 

Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.  

 

Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  Potholing does 
spray mud.  And they are cheap. 

 

I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Spark Outrage

2020-12-23 Thread Steve Jones 
Can you imagine that.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> He is the red-necked brother of Buzz Lightyear.
>
> Headline authoring is running out of superlatives.  We are all getting
> superlative and bombast immune.  To get us to read crap they may have to
> resort to the opposite tact.  “Trump pardons welcome by some”
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 23, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not trying to start a political discussion, but I went to look something
> up and a news headline on the home page said “Trump Pardons Spark Outrage”.
>
>
>
> I guess my brain was worn down from all the day-before-a-holiday support
> calls, but I probably spent a full 15 seconds trying to remember who this
> guy Spark Outrage was, and why he needed a pardon.  I thought maybe he was
> an associate of Lev and Igor.
>
>
>
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