Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Josh Baird]

I'll second this.  I wouldn't touch CRS for years because of weird bugs and
terrible L2 VLAN config.

The CRS3XX switches have been pretty stable for us (*knocks on wood*) and
the VLAN configuration, while completely different than Cisco/Juni EX, is
leaps and bounds better than it used to be.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 6:58 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> The crs have improved quite a bit from the crs1x and crs2x flavor. The new
> vlan scheme is much easier to configure as well.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> He feels they’re flaky. My experience is that they sometimes do
>> inexplicable things. If you get them to work they work fine, but Juniper
>> works always basically. I have a CCR I’m fighting with port rate limiting,
>> which is “supposed” to work but does nothing. No help on the forums besides
>> “hey, that’s really interesting”, stuff like that. If you get MT support it
>> costs the same as Juniper/Cisco from what I’ve found. At that point, you
>> could just get a Juniper/Cisco.
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> whats the aversion to MT? we are looking for something similar and I
>> dont know that im comfortable with MT, but i dont have a valid reason other
>> than gut feeling for the distrust
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:47 PM Darren Shea  wrote:
>>
>>> We've had pretty good luck with the Dell X4012 switch - 12 SFP+ ports,
>>> decent GUI, easy to set up with VLANs, but they aren't fanless.
>>>
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>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:17 AM
>>> To: AF@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?
>>>
>>> I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router,
>>> preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than
>>> rack mount and not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more
>>> fiber out of a single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at
>>> Juniper, etc. but hasn’t found a match.
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Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[TJ Trout]

The crs have improved quite a bit from the crs1x and crs2x flavor. The new
vlan scheme is much easier to configure as well.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 3:41 PM Dev  wrote:

> He feels they’re flaky. My experience is that they sometimes do
> inexplicable things. If you get them to work they work fine, but Juniper
> works always basically. I have a CCR I’m fighting with port rate limiting,
> which is “supposed” to work but does nothing. No help on the forums besides
> “hey, that’s really interesting”, stuff like that. If you get MT support it
> costs the same as Juniper/Cisco from what I’ve found. At that point, you
> could just get a Juniper/Cisco.
>
> On Feb 3, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> whats the aversion to MT? we are looking for something similar and I
> dont know that im comfortable with MT, but i dont have a valid reason other
> than gut feeling for the distrust
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:47 PM Darren Shea  wrote:
>
>> We've had pretty good luck with the Dell X4012 switch - 12 SFP+ ports,
>> decent GUI, easy to set up with VLANs, but they aren't fanless.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:17 AM
>> To: AF@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?
>>
>> I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router,
>> preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than
>> rack mount and not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more
>> fiber out of a single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at
>> Juniper, etc. but hasn’t found a match.
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Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Dev]

He feels they’re flaky. My experience is that they sometimes do inexplicable 
things. If you get them to work they work fine, but Juniper works always 
basically. I have a CCR I’m fighting with port rate limiting, which is 
“supposed” to work but does nothing. No help on the forums besides “hey, that’s 
really interesting”, stuff like that. If you get MT support it costs the same 
as Juniper/Cisco from what I’ve found. At that point, you could just get a 
Juniper/Cisco.

> On Feb 3, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> whats the aversion to MT? we are looking for something similar and I dont 
> know that im comfortable with MT, but i dont have a valid reason other than 
> gut feeling for the distrust
> 
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:47 PM Darren Shea  > wrote:
> We've had pretty good luck with the Dell X4012 switch - 12 SFP+ ports, decent 
> GUI, easy to set up with VLANs, but they aren't fanless.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Dev
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: AF@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?
> 
> I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router, 
> preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than 
> rack mount and not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more 
> fiber out of a single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at 
> Juniper, etc. but hasn’t found a match.
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Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Steve Jones]

whats the aversion to MT? we are looking for something similar and I
dont know that im comfortable with MT, but i dont have a valid reason other
than gut feeling for the distrust

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:47 PM Darren Shea  wrote:

> We've had pretty good luck with the Dell X4012 switch - 12 SFP+ ports,
> decent GUI, easy to set up with VLANs, but they aren't fanless.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: AF@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?
>
> I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router,
> preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than
> rack mount and not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more
> fiber out of a single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at
> Juniper, etc. but hasn’t found a match.
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Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Darren Shea]

We've had pretty good luck with the Dell X4012 switch - 12 SFP+ ports, decent 
GUI, easy to set up with VLANs, but they aren't fanless.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:17 AM
To: AF@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router, preferrably 
with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than rack mount and 
not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more fiber out of a 
single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at Juniper, etc. but 
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[TJ Trout]

I think you want the lvd below (not above) the bms cut volts, once the
rectifier powers back up the bms will automatically reconnect.

Ideally you want to adjust the charge profile and float voltage, if using
sla type rectifier just the float and charge current is sufficient I think.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 1:16 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> For the 100AH ones we just put them on a battery shelf mounted at the
> bottom of our telco rack.  For the 60AH ones we put them in a
> separate battery enclosure in the cabinet.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:00 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> No, they go in dedicated battery enclosures and/or sit on mats in larger
>> buildings.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:53 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Specifically for ICT, you need to adjust the LVD to be higher than the
>>> BMS's cut off.  If you let it drop with the BMS, it's 0v and then the
>>> battery is basically gone until you reset it (like drive out there and
>>> physically push a button).  Float voltage I'm told you need to change, too.
>>>
>>> Looking at the NSB100FT RED, these are nearly a foot tall.  Are you
>>> mounting them in the rack?  That's 7U of space, which I suppose isn't
>>> massive (I was previously looking at lithium ion before learning about the
>>> complications, that was 6U).
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I presume if the float voltages are the same you could.  But not if
 they are different.

 *From:* SmarterBroadband
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:52 AM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut


 Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a
 system like ICT made for SLA/AGM?

 Adam



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Louis
 Arsenault
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut



 We have been using PowerTec Solutions


 https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series

 We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.

 They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging /
 overcurrenting



 On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of
 run time.  Everything's 48vdc.



 I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
 supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.



 What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
 pretty good:


 https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus



 12v*80a=960whr

 4 of these = 3840whr

 Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but
 shouldn't I expect 2+ hours)?



 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber Repairs

[Nate Burke]

That's kinda how I feel, but there were rumors that UBNT was going to 
stop selling the bare radios and only sell them in the kit with the 
dish, so now you'd end up with a bunch of dishes you'd just throw out.  
At least repaired radios would sit on the shelf nicely.


On 2/3/2021 2:33 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't bother getting one repaired for $600. Even at 
$300-400, I don't think I would, other than maybe to use as a spare, 
but for $600, you aren't saving enough to be worth it over buying a 
new one, in my opinion.


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:24 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


SWG has been the go to repair for WISP stuff for like 10+ years I
feel like.  I remember they fixed some AN50 for me back in the
late 2000's.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Anybody do Airfiber repairs?  I have a couple AF11 units that
are dead
to me unless someone can fix them.

One shorts the power supply as soon as it's plugged in
(lightening
storm, but no external physical damage).

Another looses Ethernet when the ambient temp is <15F.

A $300 or $400 repair is cheaper than a new one.

Once upon a time UNBT was doing some sort of repair program,
but I think
that might have only been for the 24ghz radios.

A quick google search returned SWG.  Anybody use them? Says
$600 for a
AF11 repair.

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Carl Peterson]

For the 100AH ones we just put them on a battery shelf mounted at the
bottom of our telco rack.  For the 60AH ones we put them in a
separate battery enclosure in the cabinet.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:00 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> No, they go in dedicated battery enclosures and/or sit on mats in larger
> buildings.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:53 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Specifically for ICT, you need to adjust the LVD to be higher than the
>> BMS's cut off.  If you let it drop with the BMS, it's 0v and then the
>> battery is basically gone until you reset it (like drive out there and
>> physically push a button).  Float voltage I'm told you need to change, too.
>>
>> Looking at the NSB100FT RED, these are nearly a foot tall.  Are you
>> mounting them in the rack?  That's 7U of space, which I suppose isn't
>> massive (I was previously looking at lithium ion before learning about the
>> complications, that was 6U).
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I presume if the float voltages are the same you could.  But not if they
>>> are different.
>>>
>>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:52 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a
>>> system like ICT made for SLA/AGM?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Louis
>>> Arsenault
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been using PowerTec Solutions
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
>>>
>>> We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
>>>
>>> They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging /
>>> overcurrenting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of
>>> run time.  Everything's 48vdc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
>>> supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
>>> pretty good:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 12v*80a=960whr
>>>
>>> 4 of these = 3840whr
>>>
>>> Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but
>>> shouldn't I expect 2+ hours)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Josh Baird]

No, they go in dedicated battery enclosures and/or sit on mats in larger
buildings.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:53 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Specifically for ICT, you need to adjust the LVD to be higher than the
> BMS's cut off.  If you let it drop with the BMS, it's 0v and then the
> battery is basically gone until you reset it (like drive out there and
> physically push a button).  Float voltage I'm told you need to change, too.
>
> Looking at the NSB100FT RED, these are nearly a foot tall.  Are you
> mounting them in the rack?  That's 7U of space, which I suppose isn't
> massive (I was previously looking at lithium ion before learning about the
> complications, that was 6U).
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I presume if the float voltages are the same you could.  But not if they
>> are different.
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:52 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>>
>>
>> Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a
>> system like ICT made for SLA/AGM?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Louis
>> Arsenault
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>>
>>
>>
>> We have been using PowerTec Solutions
>>
>>
>> https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
>>
>> We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
>>
>> They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging /
>> overcurrenting
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run
>> time.  Everything's 48vdc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
>> supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
>> pretty good:
>>
>>
>> https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus
>>
>>
>>
>> 12v*80a=960whr
>>
>> 4 of these = 3840whr
>>
>> Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't
>> I expect 2+ hours)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Josh Luthman]

Specifically for ICT, you need to adjust the LVD to be higher than the
BMS's cut off.  If you let it drop with the BMS, it's 0v and then the
battery is basically gone until you reset it (like drive out there and
physically push a button).  Float voltage I'm told you need to change, too.

Looking at the NSB100FT RED, these are nearly a foot tall.  Are you
mounting them in the rack?  That's 7U of space, which I suppose isn't
massive (I was previously looking at lithium ion before learning about the
complications, that was 6U).

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I presume if the float voltages are the same you could.  But not if they
> are different.
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:52 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>
>
> Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a
> system like ICT made for SLA/AGM?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Louis Arsenault
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut
>
>
>
> We have been using PowerTec Solutions
>
>
> https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
>
> We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
>
> They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging /
> overcurrenting
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run
> time.  Everything's 48vdc.
>
>
>
> I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
> supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.
>
>
>
> What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
> pretty good:
>
>
> https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus
>
>
>
> 12v*80a=960whr
>
> 4 of these = 3840whr
>
> Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't
> I expect 2+ hours)?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber Repairs

[Mathew Howard]

Personally, I wouldn't bother getting one repaired for $600. Even at
$300-400, I don't think I would, other than maybe to use as a spare, but
for $600, you aren't saving enough to be worth it over buying a new one, in
my opinion.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:24 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> SWG has been the go to repair for WISP stuff for like 10+ years I feel
> like.  I remember they fixed some AN50 for me back in the late 2000's.
>
> Josh Luthman
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>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Anybody do Airfiber repairs?  I have a couple AF11 units that are dead
>> to me unless someone can fix them.
>>
>> One shorts the power supply as soon as it's plugged in (lightening
>> storm, but no external physical damage).
>>
>> Another looses Ethernet when the ambient temp is <15F.
>>
>> A $300 or $400 repair is cheaper than a new one.
>>
>> Once upon a time UNBT was doing some sort of repair program, but I think
>> that might have only been for the 24ghz radios.
>>
>> A quick google search returned SWG.  Anybody use them?  Says $600 for a
>> AF11 repair.
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber Repairs

[Josh Luthman]

SWG has been the go to repair for WISP stuff for like 10+ years I feel
like.  I remember they fixed some AN50 for me back in the late 2000's.

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Anybody do Airfiber repairs?  I have a couple AF11 units that are dead
> to me unless someone can fix them.
>
> One shorts the power supply as soon as it's plugged in (lightening
> storm, but no external physical damage).
>
> Another looses Ethernet when the ambient temp is <15F.
>
> A $300 or $400 repair is cheaper than a new one.
>
> Once upon a time UNBT was doing some sort of repair program, but I think
> that might have only been for the 24ghz radios.
>
> A quick google search returned SWG.  Anybody use them?  Says $600 for a
> AF11 repair.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium's new 802.11ax ePMP PTP solution, the ePMP Force 400 Series -- 1GBps PTP

[Josh Luthman]

Me Josh?

I've got a PTP Force425 up between a 4 story building and a tiny little
Rohn SSV about 4 miles away.  It was a Force 200-25.  Signal is great, only
noise is us, etc.  We get 12.5 b/hz.  So 20 MHz is 250 mbps.  I can ramp
that up to 500 mbps for 40 MHz and, while I haven't tried it, upwards of
1gbps in 80 MHz.

Hardware is wonderful, we get the perfected Force 200 hardware back.  The
only complaint I have is we're switching to 48v.  So far an AC site it's
just a minor inconvenience but for a DC without a 48v bus you're going to
need a solution.

It's a great product.  It's Cambium.  Not sure what else there is to say -
buy them, hang them, move on to the next install.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:19 AM Lincs_Chel  wrote:

> Hi Josh;
>
> I am not sure if it is you that Cambium was referring to in their
> Webinar introducing the new ePMP Force 400 series PTP, but if it is, can
> you speak about the performance and any other experiences with
> reference  in regards to this.
>
> Or if anyone else have experiences so far with this new series.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lincs
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I presume if the float voltages are the same you could.  But not if they are 
different.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a system 
like ICT made for SLA/AGM?

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Louis Arsenault
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

 

We have been using PowerTec Solutions

https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series

We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.

They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging / overcurrenting 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman  wrote:

  I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run 
time.  Everything's 48vdc.

   

  I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power supply 
and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.

   

  What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked pretty 
good:

  
https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus

   

  12v*80a=960whr

  4 of these = 3840whr

  Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't I 
expect 2+ hours)?


   

  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[SmarterBroadband]

Can you connect batteries like this, with built in BMS, directly into a system 
like ICT made for SLA/AGM?

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Louis Arsenault
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

 

We have been using PowerTec Solutions

https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series

We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.

They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging / overcurrenting 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run time. 
 Everything's 48vdc.

 

I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power supply 
and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.

 

What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked pretty 
good:

https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus

 

12v*80a=960whr

4 of these = 3840whr

Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't I 
expect 2+ hours)?


 

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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[AFMUG] Airfiber Repairs

[Nate Burke]

Anybody do Airfiber repairs?  I have a couple AF11 units that are dead 
to me unless someone can fix them.


One shorts the power supply as soon as it's plugged in (lightening 
storm, but no external physical damage).


Another looses Ethernet when the ambient temp is <15F.

A $300 or $400 repair is cheaper than a new one.

Once upon a time UNBT was doing some sort of repair program, but I think 
that might have only been for the 24ghz radios.


A quick google search returned SWG.  Anybody use them?  Says $600 for a 
AF11 repair.


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Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Carl Peterson]

ACX2200 almost fits.  Only get 6 SFP + two SFP+.  Fanless hardened.  We use
ACX1100 /1000s in cabinets.  Not technically a switch but does lots of
switching stuff

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:17 AM Dev  wrote:

> I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router,
> preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than
> rack mount and not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more
> fiber out of a single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at
> Juniper, etc. but hasn’t found a match.
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Charles Boening]

We got a quote from Power & Tel for a 100Ah Narada unit and it was half the 
price of a 100Ah PSI unit.

https://mpinarada.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Narada-NPFC-FLS-NA-V1R11.pdf

Also found some software that runs on a Pi to remote monitor.  Not sure how 
good any of it is or what else is out there.

https://www.microfusion.org/Software/solstus/

https://iccsoftware.co.za/product/icc-pi/

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or 
sharing sensitive information.
So those are the battery?  What does the cost look like?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 6:48 AM Louis Arsenault 
mailto:louis.arsena...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We have been using PowerTec Solutions
https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging / overcurrenting

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run time. 
 Everything's 48vdc.

I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power supply 
and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.

What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked pretty 
good:
https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus

12v*80a=960whr
4 of these = 3840whr
Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't I 
expect 2+ hours)?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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[AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

[Dev]

I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router, preferrably 
with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than rack mount and 
not Mikrotik to mount in remote cabinets where he needs more fiber out of a 
single backhaul strand. Any suggestions? He’s looking at Juniper, etc. but 
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Carl Peterson]

So those are the battery?  What does the cost look like?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 6:48 AM Louis Arsenault 
wrote:

> We have been using PowerTec Solutions
>
> https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
> We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
> They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging /
> overcurrenting
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run
>> time.  Everything's 48vdc.
>>
>> I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
>> supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.
>>
>> What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
>> pretty good:
>>
>> https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus
>>
>> 12v*80a=960whr
>> 4 of these = 3840whr
>> Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't
>> I expect 2+ hours)?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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[AFMUG] Cambium's new 802.11ax ePMP PTP solution, the ePMP Force 400 Series -- 1GBps PTP

[Lincs_Chel]

Hi Josh;

I am not sure if it is you that Cambium was referring to in their 
Webinar introducing the new ePMP Force 400 series PTP, but if it is, can 
you speak about the performance and any other experiences with 
reference  in regards to this.


Or if anyone else have experiences so far with this new series.

Thanks,


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Re: [AFMUG] Battery recommendations at fiber hut

[Louis Arsenault]

We have been using PowerTec Solutions
https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-vision-48v-rackmount-battery-series
We have 4 of them setup in the fiber hut.
They have a BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging / overcurrenting

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm looking at a 1200 watt load and would like to see 2 or 3 hours of run
> time.  Everything's 48vdc.
>
> I'm kind of leary about using lithium ion since I'm using an ICT power
> supply and their system is designed for SLA/AGM.
>
> What kind of things should I be looking for?  I thought these looked
> pretty good:
>
> https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/battery/sla-sealed-lead-acid/12/wkdc12=80pus
>
> 12v*80a=960whr
> 4 of these = 3840whr
> Runtime upwards of 3.2 hours (obviously there will be loss, but shouldn't
> I expect 2+ hours)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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