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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett





On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee on 
her crotch


This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180 
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued for 
$7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was 
intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that 
temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they 
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she was 
old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The jury 
awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) because they 
found McDonald's argument so offensive.


Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone saying 
"That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".


There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never 
happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician 
pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from tort reform, but 
I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need 
because it literally never happened.


Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it didn't 
go down the way people portray it.




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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Bill Prince


Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.


bp


On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:




On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee 
on her crotch


This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180 
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued 
for $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was 
intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that 
temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they 
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she 
was old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The 
jury awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) 
because they found McDonald's argument so offensive.


Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone 
saying "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's 
over 40".


There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never 
happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a 
politician pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from 
tort reform, but I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence 
of the need because it literally never happened.


Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it 
didn't go down the way people portray it.






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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread James Howard

But your keyboard was old and didn't work half the time anymore anyway.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.


bp


On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> 
>
> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee
>> on her crotch
>
> This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180
> degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued
> for $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was
> intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that
> temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they
> shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she
> was old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The
> jury awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for)
> because they found McDonald's argument so offensive.
>
> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee
> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone
> saying "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's
> over 40".
>
> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a
> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never
> happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a
> politician pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from
> tort reform, but I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence
> of the need because it literally never happened.
>
> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it
> didn't go down the way people portray it.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett


Do men your age still use keyboards?

On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.


bp


On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:




On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee 
on her crotch


This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180 
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued 
for $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was 
intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that 
temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they 
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she 
was old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The 
jury awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) 
because they found McDonald's argument so offensive.


Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone 
saying "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's 
over 40".


There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That 
never happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a 
politician pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from 
tort reform, but I'm just saying that particular story is not 
evidence of the need because it literally never happened.


Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it 
didn't go down the way people portray it.








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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

If you can get someone else to do the typing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Do men your age still use keyboards?
> 
>> On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee on her 
 crotch
>>> 
>>> This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180 degrees 
>>> and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued for $7,000 for 
>>> her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was intended to be 
>>> consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that temperature.  McDonald's 
>>> lawyers actually made an argument that they shouldn't have to pay for 
>>> medical care for her lady bits because she was old (50 something) and 
>>> therefore didn't need them anymore.  The jury awarded punitive damages 
>>> (which the woman never asked for) because they found McDonald's argument so 
>>> offensive.
>>> 
>>> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
>>> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone saying 
>>> "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".
>>> 
>>> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
>>> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never 
>>> happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician 
>>> pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from tort reform, but 
>>> I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need because 
>>> it literally never happened.
>>> 
>>> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it didn't go 
>>> down the way people portray it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers, review

2021-03-22 Thread Josh Luthman

I always left something like 3/8" of that foil around the 8 pins to go in
the RJ45.  Not sure if that's necessary/useful.

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On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:53 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> send me your shipping address Jan (or anyone on the list) and I'll send
> you some of these connectors and see if they help speed up the process.
>
> Amazon Crimpers
> 
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:21 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
>> That was quick n handy, what brand were those crimpers?
>> On 3/21/21 6:51 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I made a video of how easy is should be to terminate shielded cable,
>> maybe it can help someone
>>
>> https://youtu.be/b3ZmGqZeNcc
>>
>> &
>>
>> https://youtu.be/jNnOg4X_HqA
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 1:04 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I never use the shield stripper, I use a razor knife to cut it about an
>>> inch back, pull out the tear string if there is one and use that to split
>>> the jacket another inch or so (longer the exposed pairs are the easier they
>>> are to untwist). I cut the jacket with scissors or razor knife, doesnt have
>>> to be super neat since its past the jacket crimp in the connector anyway.
>>> theres a trick to untwisting the pairs, you kind of wrap it around your
>>> finger, pinch and pull out toward the end all at oonce and theyll untwist
>>> as you go. when the twist is out, put your wires in order and pinch the
>>> jacket end. grab the ordered pairs between your thumb and forefinger and
>>> kind of rock and pull at the same time, it clears the kinks. cut your ends
>>> flush, theyll slide into the connector easier and not get out of order. a
>>> truck a tech showed me is once theyre through you twist them so one doesnt
>>> bottom out in the crimper.
>>>
>>> for shielded I pull back about 8 inches of the jacket, if the foil will
>>> fold back I fold I gut it to about a half inch and fold it back over the
>>> inner jacket (outer as well if is a small diameter. then i take the drain
>>> and wrap it around the jacked minimum 6 times, nice and tight. take pliers
>>> and gently flatten it, it will slip into the shielded connector. I tape the
>>> tail with a clean piece of black tape (always cut the tape, dont tear it or
>>> it wont sit down smooth.) ends look nice and clean, the connector makes
>>> good contact to the drain and shield.
>>>
>>> For heavy cable like bbdge I used to flatten the copper shield into the
>>> connector.. dont, its too much diameter and eventually the end will crack
>>> and you have broken cable end in your port that failed. For those use
>>> unshielded ends on the inner jacket ad an external ground kit to bond the
>>> copper shield to the radio chassis.
>>>
>>> unshielded ends take maybe 2 or 3 minutes, shielded take maybe 3 or 4 if
>>> youre not doing them very often. if youre doing a bunch they get done
>>> pretty quick if you do it assembly line (strip all of them, untwist all of
>>> them, order all of them, flatten all of them, trim all of them, crimp all
>>> of them)
>>>
>>> I dont use the strain reliefs you can get for them because of all the
>>> variance in cable diameter, the boot offers little gain and half the time
>>> theyre forgotten until after the crimp. I dont like the ones with the
>>> external drain crimp so I dont use them, just seems in the way and has less
>>> shield contact than the wrapped drain inside the connector.
>>>
>>> With the EZRJ45 you never have that pissy brown wire that doesnt want to
>>> seat any time temps drop below freezing and you didnt bring your gloves.
>>> Avoid overly cheap ends, ttheyre not worth the risk to find out after a
>>> couple hundred in field that the pins will slip. The pennies per job dont
>>> cover the cost of one of the many truck rolls they cause. And anybody who
>>> doesnt replace their blades the minute they see beveling start of when the
>>> wires start catching needs their throats slit and filled with salt. the
>>> blades are like ten bucks, the truck rolls are more. Off brand crimpers
>>> will save 20 or 30 bucks, the truck rolls will cost more. I cringe every
>>> time i see an off brand crimper get pulled out, I just want to get my bag
>>> of salt and straight razor out.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:26 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>>>
 Just trying to be fair>>

 I decided to just go make ends!  un-boxed CMX brand CAT5e- no issues
 except for brown wire didn't cut clean, True-Cable CAT5e -Ditto,
 Honeywell-Ditto, PremeirTek CAT5e -Ditto, Ubiquiti-w/foil CAT5e - cutter
 nics the wire, brown wire

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread James Howard

He just needs to take one of those colored pills first……

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

If you can get someone else to do the typing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett 
>  wrote:
>
> Do men your age still use keyboards?
>
>> On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee on her 
 crotch
>>>
>>> This case is misrepresented all the time. The coffee was over 180 degrees 
>>> and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates. She only sued for $7,000 for 
>>> her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was intended to be 
>>> consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that temperature. McDonald's 
>>> lawyers actually made an argument that they shouldn't have to pay for 
>>> medical care for her lady bits because she was old (50 something) and 
>>> therefore didn't need them anymore. The jury awarded punitive damages 
>>> (which the woman never asked for) because they found McDonald's argument so 
>>> offensive.
>>>
>>> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
>>> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot. Then imagine someone saying 
>>> "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".
>>>
>>> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
>>> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never 
>>> happened. It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician 
>>> pushing for tort reform. I think we could benefit from tort reform, but I'm 
>>> just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need because it 
>>> literally never happened.
>>>
>>> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story. That DID happen, but it didn't go 
>>> down the way people portray it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett


When you get older you do it like this:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llx0omSooR1qg7tbu.gif

hello compuer


On 3/22/2021 11:27 AM, James Howard wrote:


He just needs to take one of those colored pills first……

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

If you can get someone else to do the typing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett  
 wrote:

>
> Do men your age still use keyboards?
>
>> On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot 
coffee on her crotch

>>>
>>> This case is misrepresented all the time. The coffee was over 180 
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates. She only sued for 
$7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was 
intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that 
temperature. McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they 
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she 
was old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore. The 
jury awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) 
because they found McDonald's argument so offensive.

>>>
>>> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the 
coffee wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot. Then imagine 
someone saying "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz 
he's over 40".

>>>
>>> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing 
a homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That 
never happened. It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a 
politician pushing for tort reform. I think we could benefit from tort 
reform, but I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence of 
the need because it literally never happened.

>>>
>>> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story. That DID happen, but it 
didn't go down the way people portray it.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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[AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Nate Burke

I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
answer.  To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a 
straight through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?


I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to 
RJ45, but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS 
Timing cable is a straight or crossed cable.


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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Mathew Howard

I'm having a hard time believing their lawyers actually made that argument,
since I don't see anything on the internet about it, and if that actually
happened, it should be in every article about the incident. It is true that
she initially only wanted $20k to cover medical expenses, but that all
changed as soon as she got lawyers involved.

But why doesn't anybody question why it is that McDonald's keeps serving
coffee that hot? My guess is that they get a lot of complaints if they
lower the temperature... which means that, although it may not be fit for
consumption that way, it most likely is what their customers want/demand.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:34 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
> 
>
> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee on
> > her crotch
>
> This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180
> degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued for
> $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was
> intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that
> temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they
> shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she was
> old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The jury
> awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) because they
> found McDonald's argument so offensive.
>
> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee
> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone saying
> "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".
>
> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a
> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never
> happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician
> pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from tort reform, but
> I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need
> because it literally never happened.
>
> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it didn't
> go down the way people portray it.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Steve Jones

i dont think you can say colored anymore

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:28 AM James Howard  wrote:

> He just needs to take one of those colored pills first……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama
>
>
>
> If you can get someone else to do the typing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > Do men your age still use keyboards?
> >
> >> On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>  Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee
> on her crotch
> >>>
> >>> This case is misrepresented all the time. The coffee was over 180
> degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates. She only sued for
> $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was intended
> to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that temperature.
> McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they shouldn't have to
> pay for medical care for her lady bits because she was old (50 something)
> and therefore didn't need them anymore. The jury awarded punitive damages
> (which the woman never asked for) because they found McDonald's argument so
> offensive.
> >>>
> >>> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee
> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot. Then imagine someone saying
> "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".
> >>>
> >>> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a
> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never
> happened. It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician
> pushing for tort reform. I think we could benefit from tort reform, but I'm
> just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need because it
> literally never happened.
> >>>
> >>> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story. That DID happen, but it didn't
> go down the way people portray it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread James Howard

Are you trying to restrict my 16th amendment rights?

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i dont think you can say colored anymore

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:28 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
He just needs to take one of those colored pills first……

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

If you can get someone else to do the typing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett 
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> Do men your age still use keyboards?
>
>> On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee on her 
 crotch
>>>
>>> This case is misrepresented all the time. The coffee was over 180 degrees 
>>> and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates. She only sued for $7,000 for 
>>> her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was intended to be 
>>> consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that temperature. McDonald's 
>>> lawyers actually made an argument that they shouldn't have to pay for 
>>> medical care for her lady bits because she was old (50 something) and 
>>> therefore didn't need them anymore. The jury awarded punitive damages 
>>> (which the woman never asked for) because they found McDonald's argument so 
>>> offensive.
>>>
>>> Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee 
>>> wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot. Then imagine someone saying 
>>> "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".
>>>
>>> There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
>>> homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That never 
>>> happened. It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a politician 
>>> pushing for tort reform. I think we could benefit from tort reform, but I'm 
>>> just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need because it 
>>> literally never happened.
>>>
>>> Neither is the McDonald's coffee story. That DID happen, but it didn't go 
>>> down the way people portray it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Matt Mangriotis via AF

Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugps/44663

If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
straight through Ethernet cable...

There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base here: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19

Thanks,
Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable

I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact answer. 
 To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight through 
RJ45 to RJ45 cable?

I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing cable 
is a straight or crossed cable.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett

Maybe it's a figment of my imagination.but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

On 3/22/2021 12:50 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I'm having a hard time believing their lawyers actually made that 
argument, since I don't see anything on the internet about it, and if 
that actually happened, it should be in every article about the 
incident. It is true that she initially only wanted $20k to cover 
medical expenses, but that all changed as soon as she got lawyers 
involved.

But why doesn't anybody question why it is that McDonald's keeps 
serving coffee that hot? My guess is that they get a lot of complaints 
if they lower the temperature... which means that, although it may not 
be fit for consumption that way, it most likely is what their 
customers want/demand.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:34 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:

On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot
coffee on
> her crotch

This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only
sued for
$7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee was
intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that
temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because
she was
old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore. The jury
awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) because
they
found McDonald's argument so offensive.

Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the coffee
wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine someone
saying
"That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore cuz he's over 40".

There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a
homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That
never
happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a
politician
pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from tort
reform, but
I'm just saying that particular story is not evidence of the need
because it literally never happened.

Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it
didn't
go down the way people portray it.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Nate Burke

Thanks for the reply.  Maybe I'm confused on the part then.  I though 
that UGPS and cnPulse were the same.  Is there a UGPS that is different 
than cnpulse?


I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse.  I have tested it 
with a 450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine.  I just 
wanted to make sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.  
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to 
cnPulse Aux to make that work?


Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:

Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugps/44663

If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
straight through Ethernet cable...

There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base here: 
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19

Thanks,
Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable

I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact answer. 
 To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight through 
RJ45 to RJ45 cable?

I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing cable 
is a straight or crossed cable.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: lawsuit drama

2021-03-22 Thread Bill Prince


Nope. I have a neural implant.


bp


On 3/22/2021 7:03 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Do men your age still use keyboards?

On 3/22/2021 9:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Imma gonna sue Adam for the coffee I just spewed on my keyboard.


bp


On 3/22/2021 5:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:




On 3/22/2021 12:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Some dumb broad sued McDonald's successfully for dumping hot coffee 
on her crotch


This case is misrepresented all the time.  The coffee was over 180 
degrees and caused 2nd degree burns on her privates.  She only sued 
for $7,000 for her medical bills, and the argument was the coffee 
was intended to be consumed and nobody could ever consume it at that 
temperature.  McDonald's lawyers actually made an argument that they 
shouldn't have to pay for medical care for her lady bits because she 
was old (50 something) and therefore didn't need them anymore.  The 
jury awarded punitive damages (which the woman never asked for) 
because they found McDonald's argument so offensive.


Imagine your scalded and blistered member and then tell me the 
coffee wasn't abnormally and unreasonably too hot.  Then imagine 
someone saying "That's fine, Steve doesn't need a schlong anymore 
cuz he's over 40".


There's another story that's often repeated about a burglar suing a 
homeowner after getting injured falling through a skylight. That 
never happened.  It was nothing but a rhetorical story made up by a 
politician pushing for tort reform.  I think we could benefit from 
tort reform, but I'm just saying that particular story is not 
evidence of the need because it literally never happened.


Neither is the McDonald's coffee story.  That DID happen, but it 
didn't go down the way people portray it.










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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Matt Mangriotis via AF

You got it right.

The UGPS was part number 1096K.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Thanks for the reply.  Maybe I'm confused on the part then.  I though that UGPS 
and cnPulse were the same.  Is there a UGPS that is different than cnpulse?

I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse.  I have tested it with a 
450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine.  I just wanted to make 
sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.  
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to cnPulse 
Aux to make that work?

Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this: 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft%2Fcable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp
> s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
> %7C0%7C637520314949005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BrR1
> vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
>
> If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
> straight through Ethernet cable...
>
> There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base 
> here: 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fc%2Fknowledge-base%2Fcnpulse%2F19&data
> =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
> f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C63752031494
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> byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3D&reserved=0
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
> answer.  To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight 
> through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
>
> I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
> but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing 
> cable is a straight or crossed cable.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Can you power the CN Pulse from the 450M? and receive sync on that port?


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From: AF  on behalf of Matt Mangriotis via AF 

Date: Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
You got it right.

The UGPS was part number 1096K.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm confused on the part then. I though that UGPS 
and cnPulse were the same. Is there a UGPS that is different than cnpulse?

I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse. I have tested it with a 
450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine. I just wanted to make 
sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to cnPulse 
Aux to make that work?

Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp
> s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
> %7C0%7C637520314949005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BrR1
> vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
>
> If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
> straight through Ethernet cable...
>
> There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base
> here:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19
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> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
> answer. To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight 
> through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
>
> I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
> but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing 
> cable is a straight or crossed cable.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Just saw that its possible.  Can I also provide sync to a second 450M?

From: AF  on behalf of Gino A. Villarini 

Date: Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
Can you power the CN Pulse from the 450M? and receive sync on that port?

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From: AF  on behalf of Matt Mangriotis via AF 

Date: Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
You got it right.

The UGPS was part number 1096K.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm confused on the part then. I though that UGPS 
and cnPulse were the same. Is there a UGPS that is different than cnpulse?

I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse. I have tested it with a 
450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine. I just wanted to make 
sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to cnPulse 
Aux to make that work?

Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp
> s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
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> vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
>
> If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
> straight through Ethernet cable...
>
> There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base
> here:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19
>  &data
> =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
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> byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3D&reserved=0
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
> answer. To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight 
> through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
>
> I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to RJ45, 
> but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS Timing 
> cable is a straight or crossed cable.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Nate Burke

For the cost of the 450M vs the cost of the cnPulse, why not just do 1 
per AP?  Then a single failure doesn't take out 2 Radios.


On 3/22/2021 2:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Just saw that its possible.  Can I also provide sync to a second 450M?

*From: *AF  on behalf of Gino A. Villarini 


*Date: *Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:55 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Can you power the CN Pulse from the 450M? and receive sync on that port?

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*Date: *Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:10 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc: *Matt Mangriotis 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

You got it right.

The UGPS was part number 1096K.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm confused on the part then. I though 
that UGPS and cnPulse were the same. Is there a UGPS that is different 
than cnpulse?


I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse. I have tested 
it with a 450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine. I 
just wanted to make sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.
Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to 
cnPulse Aux to make that work?


Nate

On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp 


> s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
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> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BrR1
> vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
>
> If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then 
it's a straight through Ethernet cable...

>
> There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base
> here:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19 
 &data

> =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
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> byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3D&reserved=0
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the 
exact answer. To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just 
a straight through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?

>
> I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 
to RJ45, but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to 
UGPS Timing cable is a straight or crossed cable.

>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Cassidy B. Larson


https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cnpulse-synchronizing-two-radios-with-one-cnpulse/59281
 




> On Mar 22, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> For the cost of the 450M vs the cost of the cnPulse, why not just do 1 per 
> AP?  Then a single failure doesn't take out 2 Radios.
> 
> On 3/22/2021 2:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>> Just saw that its possible.  Can I also provide sync to a second 450M?
>> 
>> From: AF   on 
>> behalf of Gino A. Villarini  
>> Date: Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:55 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
>> 
>> Can you power the CN Pulse from the 450M? and receive sync on that port?
>> 
>> Gino Villarini
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  www.aeronetpr.com  | 
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>> 
>> From: AF   on 
>> behalf of Matt Mangriotis via AF  
>> Date: Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:10 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>> 
>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis  
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
>> 
>> You got it right.
>> 
>> The UGPS was part number 1096K.
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF   On 
>> Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
>> 
>> Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm confused on the part then. I though that 
>> UGPS and cnPulse were the same. Is there a UGPS that is different than 
>> cnpulse?
>> 
>> I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse. I have tested it with 
>> a 450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine. I just wanted to 
>> make sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.
>> Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to cnPulse 
>> Aux to make that work?
>> 
>> Nate
>> 
>> On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
>> > Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this:
>> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm 
>> > 
>> > unity.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp 
>> > 
>> > s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
>> > 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
>> > %7C0%7C637520314949005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
>> > LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BrR1
>> > vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's a 
>> > straight through Ethernet cable...
>> >
>> > There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base
>> > here:
>> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm 
>> > 
>> > unity.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19 
>> >  &data
>> > =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
>> > f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C63752031494
>> > 9005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC
>> > JBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NO7k%2BV2t%2B9r7QuBxDcNp
>> > byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Matt
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF   On 
>> > Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
>> > To: Animal Farm  
>> > Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
>> >
>> > I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact 
>> > answer. To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a 
>> > straight through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
>> >
>> > I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to 
>> > RJ45, but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS 
>> > Timing cable is a straight or cross

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

UPDATE

I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down. Remote IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port 443). Customer 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my testing equipment and headed on out. Well both IT guy and customer never mentioned that the VPN appliance is connected to their router via a 100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the house. They did at least have it tape down in places. When I tried to connect my notebook using the cable, I got no connection. Pulled out the old CAT5 tester and only 3 or of 8 lit up. Replaced the cable and guess what, VPN now working.

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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:

I'm working a very similar issue right now. I think I have tracked it down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks like it's doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets. Doing a packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 2062 bytes in size, and it's not getting to the other end. ICMP Packets will flow regardless of size (of course fragmenting) If I route the traffic over any of my other upstreams, it works fine. I have a ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to understand what the issue is has been cumbersome.
On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:

Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you can test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t usually like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide and conquer to track down VPN issues often because the error reporting is vague at best typically.

On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue. Could be anything. Been working fine since June. I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.

But there is an issue on her link. This is a fiber link BTW. Her Internet works fine.

Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me. Not sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is using yet. Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it. Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on their equipment. Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.

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Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:

I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries can mess with a VPN.

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I have a customer that has some type of VPN router device on our
system. Her VPN isn't working anymore. Her Internet is fine. I did
a packet capture for her IT guys and sent it to them. Their answer
is the usual "It's your ISPs fault". I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump. Looks like things are talking back
and forth. Any issues anyone can see?

Thanks,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett


So do you bill the customer or his employer?


On 3/22/2021 3:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues UPDATE

I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down. 
 Remote IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port 443). 
 Customer 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my testing 
equipment and headed on out.  Well both IT guy and customer never 
mentioned that the VPN appliance is connected to their router via a 
100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the house.  They did at least 
have it tape down in places.  When I tried to connect my notebook 
using the cable, I got no connection.  Pulled out the old CAT5 tester 
and only 3 or of 8 lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess what, VPN now 
working.



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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:


	I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked 
it down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks 
like it's doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets. 
 Doing a packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 
2062 bytes in size, and it's not getting to the other end.  ICMP 
Packets will flow regardless of size (of course fragmenting)  If I 
route the traffic over any of my other upstreams, it works fine.  I 
have a ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to understand 
what the issue is has been cumbersome.

On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:

	Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you 
can test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t 
usually like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide and 
conquer to track down VPN issues often because the error reporting is 
vague at best typically.



	On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since 
June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.


But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her 
Internet works fine.


Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not 
sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance 
she is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to 
it.  Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on their 
equipment.  Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what errors are 
showing up on server logs.





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Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:


	I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment 
boundaries can mess with a VPN.


bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Josh Luthman

You charged a hefty service call for that I hope...

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 3:35 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> UPDATE
>
> I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down.  Remote
> IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port 443).  Customer
> 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my testing equipment and headed on
> out.  Well both IT guy and customer never mentioned that the VPN appliance
> is connected to their router via a 100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across
> the house.  They did at least have it tape down in places.  When I tried to
> connect my notebook using the cable, I got no connection.  Pulled out the
> old CAT5 tester and only 3 or of 8 lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess
> what, VPN now working.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked it
> down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks like it's
> doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets.  Doing a packet
> capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 2062 bytes in size,
> and it's not getting to the other end.  ICMP Packets will flow regardless
> of size (of course fragmenting)  If I route the traffic over any of my
> other upstreams, it works fine.  I have a ticket open with this upstream,
> but getting them to understand what the issue is has been cumbersome.
> On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:
>
> Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you can
> test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t usually
> like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide and conquer to track
> down VPN issues often because the error reporting is vague at best
> typically.
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
> Bill,
>
> Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since
> June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.
>
> But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her
> Internet works fine.
>
> Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure
> how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is
> using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt
> they are going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I
> don't get the opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries
> can mess with a VPN.
>
> bp
> 
> On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
> I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
> system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
> a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
> is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
> attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
> and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 3/22/21 12:36, Adam Moffett wrote:

So do you bill the customer or his employer?



I'll always bill the customer, but if someone else installed the cable 
I'd say take it up with them for reimbursement.


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Robert Andrews

I agree, this one needs to be billed for time to and from as well, and 
at least $100/hour...


On 03/22/2021 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You charged a hefty service call for that I hope...

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 3:35 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


UPDATE

I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down. 
Remote IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port

443).  Customer 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my testing
equipment and headed on out.  Well both IT guy and customer never
mentioned that the VPN appliance is connected to their router via a
100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the house.  They did at
least have it tape down in places.  When I tried to connect my
notebook using the cable, I got no connection.  Pulled out the old
CAT5 tester and only 3 or of 8 lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess
what, VPN now working.


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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:


I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked
it down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks
like it's doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets. 
Doing a packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about

2062 bytes in size, and it's not getting to the other end.  ICMP
Packets will flow regardless of size (of course fragmenting)  If I
route the traffic over any of my other upstreams, it works fine.  I
have a ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to
understand what the issue is has been cumbersome.
On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:

Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you
can test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s
don’t usually like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide
and conquer to track down VPN issues often because the error
reporting is vague at best typically.


On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since
June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.

But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her
Internet works fine.

Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me. 
Not sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what

appliance she is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no
access to it.  Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on
their equipment.  Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what
errors are showing up on server logs.




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Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:


I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment
boundaries can mess with a VPN.

bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

Adam,

Yes they were billed.

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Monday, March 22, 2021, 3:36:55 PM, you wrote:

So do you bill the customer or his employer?

On 3/22/2021 3:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues UPDATE

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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:

On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue. Could be anything. Been working fine since June. I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.

But there is an issue on her link. This is a fiber link BTW. Her Internet works fine.

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Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:

I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries can mess with a VPN.

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Bill Prince

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

  
  
That is just classic.


bp

On 3/22/2021 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies wrote:


  
  
  UPDATE

I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down.
 Remote IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port
443).  Customer 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my
testing equipment and headed on out.  Well both IT guy and
customer never mentioned that the VPN appliance is connected to
their router via a 100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the
house.  They did at least have it tape down in places.  When I
tried to connect my notebook using the cable, I got no
connection.  Pulled out the old CAT5 tester and only 3 or of 8
lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess what, VPN now working.


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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:

  
  

  


I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I
think I have tracked it down to an issue with a single
upstream connection, and it looks like it's doing
something with fragmenting/dropping large packets.
 Doing a packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup
packet is about 2062 bytes in size, and it's not getting
to the other end.  ICMP Packets will flow regardless of
size (of course fragmenting)  If I route the traffic
over any of my other upstreams, it works fine.  I have a
ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to
understand what the issue is has been cumbersome.
On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:
  
  

  


Do you have other customers
with similar config/topology where you can test,
maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside,
VPN’s don’t usually like NAT and firewall
changes, but you have to divide and conquer to
track down VPN issues often because the error
reporting is vague at best typically. 

  
  

  


On Mar 17, 2021, at
8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues 
Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be
anything.  Been working fine since June.
 I have many many more people using
VPN's with no issues.

But there is an issue on her link.  This
is a fiber link BTW.  Her Internet works
fine.

Her IT guys have washed their hands of
it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure how
I'm going to figure it out being I don't
know what appliance she is using yet.
 Even when I get that info, I'll have no
access to it.  Doubt they are going to
give me admin privileges on their
equipment.  Also, I don't get the
opportunity to see what errors are
showing up on server logs.




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you wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable

2021-03-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

FYI, this product:

https://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/

Will do 4 radios without any special cabling.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 1:08 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cnpulse-synchronizing-two-radios-with-one-cnpulse/59281
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> For the cost of the 450M vs the cost of the cnPulse, why not just do 1 per
> AP?  Then a single failure doesn't take out 2 Radios.
>
> On 3/22/2021 2:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Just saw that its possible.  Can I also provide sync to a second 450M?
>
>
> *From: *AF   on behalf
> of Gino A. Villarini  
> *Date: *Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:55 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
> Can you power the CN Pulse from the 450M? and receive sync on that port?
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>
> *From: *AF   on behalf
> of Matt Mangriotis via AF  
> *Date: *Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:10 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Cc: *Matt Mangriotis 
> 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
> You got it right.
>
> The UGPS was part number 1096K.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF   On Behalf Of
> Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 12:37 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M to UGPS Cable
>
> Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm confused on the part then. I though that
> UGPS and cnPulse were the same. Is there a UGPS that is different than
> cnpulse?
>
> I have part C00L066B which I guess is the cnPulse. I have tested it
> with a 450 radio with the RJ45toRJ12 cable and it works fine. I just wanted
> to make sure that I hook it up to my 450M radio correctly.
> Sounds like it just needs a straight through RJ45 cable, 450M Aux to
> cnPulse Aux to make that work?
>
> Nate
>
> On 3/22/2021 12:04 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:
> > Nate - If you're connecting to UGPS, then use this:
> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> > unity.cambiumnetworks.com/t/cable-diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-ugp
> > s%2F44663&data=04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7
> > 853f411c75b443ebf3f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0
> > %7C0%7C637520314949005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
> > LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BrR1
> > vnO7lNXDyB0466mwdJAe95oXVxcwbPXFBvrV31s%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > If you really mean the cnPulse device (that has RJ-45 ports), then it's
> a straight through Ethernet cable...
> >
> > There's some good information on this device in the knowledge base
> > here:
> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> > unity.cambiumnetworks.com/c/knowledge-base/cnpulse/19 &data
> > =04%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7853f411c75b443ebf3
> > f08d8ed5943b3%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C63752031494
> > 9005650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC
> > JBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NO7k%2BV2t%2B9r7QuBxDcNp
> > byow1USyo8uQEXdR8%2F37inI%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF   On Behalf
> Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:46 AM
> > To: Animal Farm  
> > Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M to UGPS Cable
> >
> > I'm searching through the Canopy bible, but I must be missing the exact
> answer. To connect a 450M to the UGPS on the AUX port, it's just a straight
> through RJ45 to RJ45 cable?
> >
> > I find the Pinout on page 197 for the other 450 Radios with the RJ12 to
> RJ45, but I don't find where it explicitly states that the 450M to UGPS
> Timing cable is a straight or crossed cable.
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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Nate Burke

Did your cat5 fix do my customer too?  This morning my customer that was 
having the VPN problems suddenly started working.  Maybe what they told 
me was a VPN Concentrator at a Datacenter was really at this guys house.


On 3/22/2021 2:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues UPDATE

I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down. 
 Remote IT guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port 443). 
 Customer 100% I changed something. So, I gathered my testing 
equipment and headed on out.  Well both IT guy and customer never 
mentioned that the VPN appliance is connected to their router via a 
100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the house.  They did at least 
have it tape down in places.  When I tried to connect my notebook 
using the cable, I got no connection.  Pulled out the old CAT5 tester 
and only 3 or of 8 lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess what, VPN now 
working.



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Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:


	I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked 
it down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks 
like it's doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets. 
 Doing a packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 
2062 bytes in size, and it's not getting to the other end.  ICMP 
Packets will flow regardless of size (of course fragmenting)  If I 
route the traffic over any of my other upstreams, it works fine.  I 
have a ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to understand 
what the issue is has been cumbersome.

On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:

	Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you 
can test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t 
usually like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide and 
conquer to track down VPN issues often because the error reporting is 
vague at best typically.



	On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since 
June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.


But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her 
Internet works fine.


Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not 
sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance 
she is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to 
it.  Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on their 
equipment.  Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what errors are 
showing up on server logs.





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Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:


	I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment 
boundaries can mess with a VPN.


bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Dev

Did they blame you for breaking their cable when you hooked up to it? :)

We had a customer who’s cat ate a switch power cord - they insisted it wasn’t 
their cat. We swapped it and the cat ate the new one shortly thereafter. 
Somehow I recall them thinking we caused it in some manner, their cat wouldn’t 
dare think of it apparently. Nevermind the other cat chew marks on surrounding 
areas.

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
> UPDATE
> 
> I couldn't take the whining and crying about the VPN being down.  Remote IT 
> guys 100% sure it is my issue (must be blocking port 443).  Customer 100% I 
> changed something. So, I gathered my testing equipment and headed on out.  
> Well both IT guy and customer never mentioned that the VPN appliance is 
> connected to their router via a 100' CAT5e cable run on the floor across the 
> house.  They did at least have it tape down in places.  When I tried to 
> connect my notebook using the cable, I got no connection.  Pulled out the old 
> CAT5 tester and only 3 or of 8 lit up.  Replaced the cable and guess what, 
> VPN now working.
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
> 
> --
> 
> Thursday, March 18, 2021, 1:37:08 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked it down 
> to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks like it's doing 
> something with fragmenting/dropping large packets.  Doing a packet capture, 
> it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 2062 bytes in size, and it's not 
> getting to the other end.  ICMP Packets will flow regardless of size (of 
> course fragmenting)  If I route the traffic over any of my other upstreams, 
> it works fine.  I have a ticket open with this upstream, but getting them to 
> understand what the issue is has been cumbersome.
> On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:
> 
> Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you can test, 
> maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t usually like NAT 
> and firewall changes, but you have to divide and conquer to track down VPN 
> issues often because the error reporting is vague at best typically. 
> 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  > wrote:
> 
> Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues 
> Bill,
> 
> Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since June.  I 
> have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.
> 
> But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her Internet 
> works fine.
> 
> Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure 
> how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is using 
> yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt they are 
> going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I don't get the 
> opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
> 
> --
> 
> Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries can 
> mess with a VPN.
> 
> bp
> 
> On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> 
> I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
> system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
> a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
> is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
> attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
> and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?
> 
> 
> --
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> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

2021-03-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


I am behind the eight ball on this.  Just submitted the application on the FCC 
website.  Haven't done anything with USAC nor
have I submitted any pricing information (or been asked) - - what should I 
expect next?

I thought Friday was the last day for "expedited" processing - - noticed today 
is the deadline.  Whopps.At least I had planned
on doing it today. :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program


  For what it’s worth I said:


  "Details of all service offerings are available at 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-wireless and 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-fiber.   For historical information please 
see the Web Achive at: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20200406144022/https://www.amplex.net/.   Service 
plans and pricing available on December 1, 2020 are unchanged as of the date of 
this letter. “



  and


  "Please see our prior and current FCC form 477 filings for verification of 
our service areas and product offerings.  Our most recent filing covering 
12/31/2020 was entered on 2/19/2021.”


  I scanned a copy of our trifold brochure(s) with the service plans and 
attached those to the letter.


  Approval came back an hour after I submitted it.


  Mark

  



On Mar 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:


That's something I dont like about the government using subscription data. 
Its dumb because it's not realistic, the customer defines that. If you offer a 
cheap 1Mbps plan, and a customer came from dialup, they're happier than a pig 
in shit with it, but does that mean its underserved?


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:47 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

  USAC  wants "Evidence that the provider had the same service offerings
  available  on December 1, 2020".  I'm not sure what type of evidence I
  can  give  them.   Pointer to website wouldn't help.  I don't think we
  have ever filed any FCC or USAC paperwork that shows our pricing.  Was
  thinking  about  printing out a December invoice from random customers
  for each plan and blanking out the customer info.

  Thoughts?


  --
  Best regards,
   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

  --

  Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 1:21:48 PM, you wrote:

  RC> Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't 
seem to
  RC> find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really 
knows
  RC> yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. 
I've
  RC> also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm 
not
  RC> certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous 
that we'll
  RC> have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, 
school
  RC> lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We 
shall
  RC> see. 




  RC> -Original Message-
  RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
  RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
  RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  RC> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

  RC> Randy,

  RC> We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
  RC> tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

  RC> I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

  RC> Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
  RC> higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
  RC> detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
  RC> thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
  RC> automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 
10 days.

  RC> Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?


  RC> --
  RC> Best regards,
  RC>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  RC> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  RC> www.Myakka.com

  RC> --

  RC> Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 11:15:04 AM, you wrote:

  RC>> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

  RC>> Randy Cosby
  RC>> InfoWest



  RC>> -Original Message-
  RC>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
  RC>> Technologies
  RC>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
  RC>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  RC>> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

  RC>> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


  RC>> --

  RC>> Thanks,
  RC>>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

  RC>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  RC>> www.Myakka.com


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  RC>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.af

Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

2021-03-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I see most of the user fees process and documentation is part of the USAC 
election process.
Do I need to wait on the FCC approval before starting the USAC part of it?

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 5:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

  I am behind the eight ball on this.  Just submitted the application on the 
FCC website.  Haven't done anything with USAC nor
  have I submitted any pricing information (or been asked) - - what should I 
expect next?

  I thought Friday was the last day for "expedited" processing - - noticed 
today is the deadline.  Whopps.At least I had planned
  on doing it today. :)

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Radabaugh 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

For what it’s worth I said: 

"Details of all service offerings are available at 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-wireless and 
https://www.amplex.net/residential-fiber.   For historical information please 
see the Web Achive at: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20200406144022/https://www.amplex.net/.   Service 
plans and pricing available on December 1, 2020 are unchanged as of the date of 
this letter. “

and

"Please see our prior and current FCC form 477 filings for verification of 
our service areas and product offerings.  Our most recent filing covering 
12/31/2020 was entered on 2/19/2021.”

I scanned a copy of our trifold brochure(s) with the service plans and 
attached those to the letter.

Approval came back an hour after I submitted it.

Mark

  On Mar 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  That's something I dont like about the government using subscription 
data. Its dumb because it's not realistic, the customer defines that. If you 
offer a cheap 1Mbps plan, and a customer came from dialup, they're happier than 
a pig in shit with it, but does that mean its underserved?

  On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:47 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:

USAC  wants "Evidence that the provider had the same service offerings
available  on December 1, 2020".  I'm not sure what type of evidence I
can  give  them.   Pointer to website wouldn't help.  I don't think we
have ever filed any FCC or USAC paperwork that shows our pricing.  Was
thinking  about  printing out a December invoice from random customers
for each plan and blanking out the customer info.

Thoughts?

--
Best regards,
 Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 1:21:48 PM, you wrote:

RC> Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't 
seem to
RC> find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody 
really knows
RC> yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies 
themselves. I've
RC> also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but 
I'm not
RC> certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous 
that we'll
RC> have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, 
school
RC> lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  
We shall
RC> see. 

RC> -Original Message-
RC> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
RC> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

RC> Randy,

RC> We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC 
stuff
RC> tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

RC> I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

RC> Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on 
our
RC> higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a 
fairly
RC> detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  
I'm
RC> thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage 
about
RC> automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 
10 days.

RC> Have you looked at any of the verification stuff yet?

RC> --
RC> Best regards,
RC>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

RC> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
RC> www.Myakka.com

RC> --

RC> Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 11:15:04 AM, you wrote:

RC>> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

RC>> Randy Cosby
RC>> InfoWest

RC>> -Original Message-
RC>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
RC>> Technologies

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

2021-03-22 Thread Steve Jones

That cable you put on the floor just became your responsibility in their
eyes. I would have put theirs back in place. May have sold them a new on on
the spot but made them plug it in.
This also means their IT didnt do any testing locally with the employee.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 2:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/22/21 12:36, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > So do you bill the customer or his employer?
>
>
> I'll always bill the customer, but if someone else installed the cable
> I'd say take it up with them for reimbursement.
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