Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Jason McKemie]

Defender or commuter model?

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero
> damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Jaime Solorza]

I spit out my beer...Pinchi Steve

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Nokia 6015... the phone of phones. This is the mans man of phones, john
> mother f-ing wayne.
> Otterbox?
> Otterbox was a twinkle in its father's eye when the 6015 was getting run
> over by ambulances, left in blizzards over night and falling off 110 foot
> towers to the pavement. You know how to fix a 6015 that fell off a tower?
> You chuck it against the concrete again and it starts working.
> Last charged in 2010, still at 91 percent.
> Otterbox... sounds like my wife's underwear drawer.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Did not see the word “phone”.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
>>
>> Reading back over it, I see how it could say that.  Isn't that the oxford
>> comma or something.  My PHONE fell 70' onto concrete.
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ though,
>> unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending flowers to your
>> family.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
>>
>> Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero
>> damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Steve Jones]

You can stack more of them

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:35 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why midgets though?  Could be people of any height.
> On 3/30/2021 4:45 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> It seems like a reasonable solution to me. And if they're well-armed, it
> will also be quite secure.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:25 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Im am unopposed to this
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:49 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Well right, but there's not really any way around that, short of having
>>> a bunch of midgets you keep stacked in the basement with passwords written
>>> on their foreheads and you summon them by yelling the name of the site or
>>> service you need the password for.
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:42:19 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>>
>>> I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff stored in
>>> one place, if somebody gets access to that place, they have all your stuff.
>>> Whether that place is Lastpass, a TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly
>>> important.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as
 well said that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or
 written backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead.



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 *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

 from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access

 Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that
 were previously stored in the LastPass
  account of a Ubiquiti IT
 employee, and gained root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS
 accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application logs, all
 databases, all user database credentials, and secrets required to forge
 single sign-on (SSO) cookies.

 On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other
> than that's where someone stored a password.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>
> hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way
> when i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off
> with the basket and make an omelette
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Steve Jones]

Nokia 6015... the phone of phones. This is the mans man of phones, john
mother f-ing wayne.
Otterbox?
Otterbox was a twinkle in its father's eye when the 6015 was getting run
over by ambulances, left in blizzards over night and falling off 110 foot
towers to the pavement. You know how to fix a 6015 that fell off a tower?
You chuck it against the concrete again and it starts working.
Last charged in 2010, still at 91 percent.
Otterbox... sounds like my wife's underwear drawer.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Did not see the word “phone”.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
>
> Reading back over it, I see how it could say that.  Isn't that the oxford
> comma or something.  My PHONE fell 70' onto concrete.
>
> On 3/30/2021 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ though,
> unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending flowers to your
> family.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
>
> Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero
> damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Adam Moffett]

Why midgets though?  Could be people of any height.

On 3/30/2021 4:45 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It seems like a reasonable solution to me. And if they're well-armed, 
it will also be quite secure.


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:25 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Im am unopposed to this

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:49 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Well right, but there's not really any way around that, short
of having a bunch of midgets you keep stacked in the basement
with passwords written on their foreheads and you summon them
by yelling the name of the site or service you need the
password for.



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*From: *"Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:42:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the
truth?

I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff
stored in one place, if somebody gets access to that place,
they have all your stuff. Whether that place is Lastpass, a
TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly important.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could
have just as well said that they were previously stored in
a TXT file on the desktop or written backwards on the
SysAdmin's forehead.



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*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with
the truth?

from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access

Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged
credentials that were previously stored in the LastPass
 account of a
Ubiquiti IT employee, and gained root administrator access
to all Ubiquiti AWS accounts, including all S3 data
buckets, all application logs, all databases, all user
database credentials, and secrets required to forge single
sign-on (SSO) cookies.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do
with it, other than that's where someone stored a
password.



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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol..

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:49 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> uh oh. dads home, put the cat back outside
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Did not see the word “phone”. 

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

Reading back over it, I see how it could say that.  Isn't that the oxford comma 
or something.  My PHONE fell 70' onto concrete.  


On 3/30/2021 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ though, 
unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending flowers to your 
family.  

  From: Nate Burke 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

  Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero 
damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Jaime Solorza]

I have dropped by Motorola E5 play from 45ft twice..i know have a Motorola
reveler or some silly name but need to get a better case...phone doesn't
feel as tough as other one

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 4:27 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Reading back over it, I see how it could say that.  Isn't that the oxford
> comma or something.  My PHONE fell 70' onto concrete.
>
> On 3/30/2021 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ though,
> unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending flowers to your
> family.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
>
> Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero
> damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steve Jones]

You should tell everybody its animal farm, with a bunch of  "challenges".
But really you're just bringing the wisp industry out to do free labor on
your projects.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 5:05 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Yeah, if you wanna see micro trenching.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> I had planned on strongarming the boss into letting me go last year, then
> it all went tits up... I suspect im bad luck, so probably wont try
> strongarming boss this year, especially since we missed the price party.
> Apparently its already almost april.
>
> I think chuck should just do Animal Farm at his house
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:01 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a
>> crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
>> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any
>> more informative and better organized or??
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Nate Burke]

Reading back over it, I see how it could say that.  Isn't that the 
oxford comma or something.  My PHONE fell 70' onto concrete.


On 3/30/2021 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ 
though, unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending 
flowers to your family.

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox
Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. 
Zero damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the 
case



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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Chuck McCown via AF]

You scared me.  As I was reading it I was thinking you fell.  70’ though, 
unless it was into a snow bank we would probably be sending flowers to your 
family.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:59 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero damage. 
Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case 



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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah, if you wanna see micro trenching.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

I had planned on strongarming the boss into letting me go last year, then it 
all went tits up... I suspect im bad luck, so probably wont try strongarming 
boss this year, especially since we missed the price party. Apparently its 
already almost april. 

I think chuck should just do Animal Farm at his house

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:01 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

  Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a crowd 
or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.   
  I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more 
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[AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Nate Burke]

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Mathew Howard]

It seems like a reasonable solution to me. And if they're well-armed, it
will also be quite secure.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:25 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Im am unopposed to this
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:49 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Well right, but there's not really any way around that, short of having a
>> bunch of midgets you keep stacked in the basement with passwords written on
>> their foreheads and you summon them by yelling the name of the site or
>> service you need the password for.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
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>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:42:19 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>
>> I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff stored in one
>> place, if somebody gets access to that place, they have all your stuff.
>> Whether that place is Lastpass, a TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly
>> important.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as
>>> well said that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or
>>> written backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>>
>>> from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access
>>>
>>> Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were
>>> previously stored in the LastPass
>>>  account of a Ubiquiti IT
>>> employee, and gained root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS
>>> accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application logs, all
>>> databases, all user database credentials, and secrets required to forge
>>> single sign-on (SSO) cookies.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other
 than that's where someone stored a password.



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 *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

 hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way
 when i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off
 with the basket and make an omelette

 On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...
>>
>> So:
>>
>> Why am I surprised?
>>
>> On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steve Jones]

I had planned on strongarming the boss into letting me go last year, then
it all went tits up... I suspect im bad luck, so probably wont try
strongarming boss this year, especially since we missed the price party.
Apparently its already almost april.

I think chuck should just do Animal Farm at his house

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:01 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a
> crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more
> informative and better organized or??
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Daniel White]

Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things
considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what
WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An
"Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and
much cherished Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because
there are less business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very
different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just
saying that).

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> Sam Lambie 
> March 30, 2021 at 14:00
> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a
> crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.  
> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any
> more informative and better organized or??
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Steve Jones]

Im am unopposed to this

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:49 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Well right, but there's not really any way around that, short of having a
> bunch of midgets you keep stacked in the basement with passwords written on
> their foreheads and you summon them by yelling the name of the site or
> service you need the password for.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:42:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>
> I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff stored in one
> place, if somebody gets access to that place, they have all your stuff.
> Whether that place is Lastpass, a TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly
> important.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as
>> well said that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or
>> written backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>
>> from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access
>>
>> Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were
>> previously stored in the LastPass
>>  account of a Ubiquiti IT
>> employee, and gained root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS
>> accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application logs, all
>> databases, all user database credentials, and secrets required to forge
>> single sign-on (SSO) cookies.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than
>>> that's where someone stored a password.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>>
>>> hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way
>>> when i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off
>>> with the basket and make an omelette
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!

 On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
 wrote:

> I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...
>
> So:
>
> Why am I surprised?
>
> On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
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[AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Sam Lambie]

Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a crowd
or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more
informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Mike Hammett]

Well right, but there's not really any way around that, short of having a bunch 
of midgets you keep stacked in the basement with passwords written on their 
foreheads and you summon them by yelling the name of the site or service you 
need the password for. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:42:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff stored in one 
place, if somebody gets access to that place, they have all your stuff. Whether 
that place is Lastpass, a TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly important. 



On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as well said 
that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or written 
backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access 


Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were 
previously stored in the LastPass account of a Ubiquiti IT employee, and gained 
root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS accounts, including all S3 data 
buckets, all application logs, all databases, all user database credentials, 
and secrets required to forge single sign-on (SSO) cookies. 



On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than that's 
where someone stored a password. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way when i 
have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off with the 
basket and make an omelette 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



We are shocked. SHOCKED I say! 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews < i...@avantwireless.com > 
wrote: 


I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting... 

So: 

Why am I surprised? 

On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: 
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Mathew Howard]

I think Steve's point is that if you have all of your stuff stored in one
place, if somebody gets access to that place, they have all your stuff.
Whether that place is Lastpass, a TXT file or a forehead isn't particularly
important.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as well
> said that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or
> written backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>
> from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access
>
> Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were
> previously stored in the LastPass  
> account
> of a Ubiquiti IT employee, and gained root administrator access to all
> Ubiquiti AWS accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application logs,
> all databases, all user database credentials, and secrets required to forge
> single sign-on (SSO) cookies.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than
>> that's where someone stored a password.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>>
>> hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way
>> when i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off
>> with the basket and make an omelette
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...

 So:

 Why am I surprised?

 On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 >
 https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Mike Hammett]

Right, I read that. That doesn't mean anything. It could have just as well said 
that they were previously stored in a TXT file on the desktop or written 
backwards on the SysAdmin's forehead. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:18:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access 


Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were 
previously stored in the LastPass account of a Ubiquiti IT employee, and gained 
root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS accounts, including all S3 data 
buckets, all application logs, all databases, all user database credentials, 
and secrets required to forge single sign-on (SSO) cookies. 



On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than that's 
where someone stored a password. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way when i 
have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off with the 
basket and make an omelette 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



We are shocked. SHOCKED I say! 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews < i...@avantwireless.com > 
wrote: 


I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting... 

So: 

Why am I surprised? 

On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: 
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber followup crews

[Jason McKemie]

I see a bit of both. I think Comcast takes the lowest bid that can meet
their quantity numbers.

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

> These crews that come in to do the home drops after the providers drop the
> cable across the yard. How does one end up on the list of calls for that?
> do the bigger carriers have their own teams or do they contract locally?
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber followup crews

[Josh Luthman]

Generally contract work.  Join the Drop Crew Nation facebook group.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> These crews that come in to do the home drops after the providers drop the
> cable across the yard. How does one end up on the list of calls for that?
> do the bigger carriers have their own teams or do they contract locally?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Steve Jones]

from the sounds of it thats how they gained the access

Adam says the attacker(s) had access to privileged credentials that were
previously stored in the LastPass
 account
of a Ubiquiti IT employee, and gained root administrator access to all
Ubiquiti AWS accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application logs,
all databases, all user database credentials, and secrets required to forge
single sign-on (SSO) cookies.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than
> that's where someone stored a password.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
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>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?
>
> hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way
> when i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off
> with the basket and make an omelette
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...
>>>
>>> So:
>>>
>>> Why am I surprised?
>>>
>>> On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> >
>>> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't know that LastPass really had anything to do with it, other than that's 
where someone stored a password. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:06:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth? 


hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way when i 
have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off with the 
basket and make an omelette 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



We are shocked. SHOCKED I say! 


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews < i...@avantwireless.com > 
wrote: 


I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting... 

So: 

Why am I surprised? 

On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: 
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Steve Jones]

hahaha, lastpass. I like to keep all eggs in a single basket, that way when
i have both hands in the cookie jar, all a guy need to do is walk off with
the basket and make an omelette

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:59 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...
>>
>> So:
>>
>> Why am I surprised?
>>
>> On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> >
>> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Cameron Crum]

We are shocked. SHOCKED I say!

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...
>
> So:
>
> Why am I surprised?
>
> On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
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> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 34, Issue 343

[Cameron Crum]

Good to see you Rick! If you get out to Hudson Oaks, let me know. I'm not
far.

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:06 PM Robert Andrews 
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> Quick, hide the guns!
>
> On 03/30/2021 10:51 AM, Richard Harnish wrote:
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> > Respectively,
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> >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
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> >> I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love
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> >>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin 
> wrote:
> >>> Things only get better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> roland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats
> to look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering?
> >>>
> >>> On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally
> just a click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Roland
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
> >>> To: Animal Farm 
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
> >>>
> >>> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive
> >>> tower crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that
> >>> we don't have to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original
> >>> 450 Sectors at the top of the tower so we can run the AP's with
> >>> Fiber.  We don't have the capacity need yet for a full 450M, so we
> >>> were thinking of putting up the 450M limited, and saving the $6k until
> capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
> >>>
> >>> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M
> >>> limited, but I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability.
> >>> There's not a SM limit or throughput limit or 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Robert Andrews]

I guess I should have not just put in a link without commenting...

So:

Why am I surprised?

On 03/30/2021 11:15 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ 





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[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Ubiquiti played fast and loose with the truth?

[Robert Andrews]

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/

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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 34, Issue 343

[Robert Andrews]

Quick, hide the guns!

On 03/30/2021 10:51 AM, Richard Harnish wrote:

I'm baack! 

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From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It is somewhat more expensive to buy the limited and then upgrade.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

?
I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love Them!!!


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
Things only get better.

  


roland

  


From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

  


For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to look 
out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering?

On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a 
click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).

  


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  

  


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:

The only limit is the mu-mimo..


Roland

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive
tower crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that
we don't have to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original
450 Sectors at the top of the tower so we can run the AP's with
Fiber.  We don't have the capacity need yet for a full 450M, so we
were thinking of putting up the 450M limited, and saving the $6k until capacity 
requires Mu-Mimo.

It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M
limited, but I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability.
There's not a SM limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:43:02 -0600
From: Jaime Solorza 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Newest printer
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Yes.  We are funding out

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:49 AM Nate Burke  wrote:


Very Nice.  I think I have one model before that.  I have to take the
batteries out when not in use or else it drains them.

On 3/30/2021 10:39 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

The other on

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another RUD for SN11

[Robert Andrews]

Someone wishes they had a helicopter flying above the crud out of the 
restricted area for this one, it would have been spectacular!


On 03/30/2021 10:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Another RUD for SN11
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/03/30/spacexs-latest-high-altitude-starship-test-flight-ends-in-apparent-explosion/


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[AFMUG] fiber followup crews

[Steve Jones]

These crews that come in to do the home drops after the providers drop the
cable across the yard. How does one end up on the list of calls for that?
do the bigger carriers have their own teams or do they contract locally?
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 34, Issue 343

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I'm baack! 

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From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It is somewhat more expensive to buy the limited and then upgrade.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love Them!!!
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> Things only get better.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> roland
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to 
>> look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering? 
>> 
>> On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a 
>> click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> 
>> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
>> 
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive 
>> tower crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that 
>> we don't have to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 
>> 450 Sectors at the top of the tower so we can run the AP's with 
>> Fiber.  We don't have the capacity need yet for a full 450M, so we 
>> were thinking of putting up the 450M limited, and saving the $6k until 
>> capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
>> 
>> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M 
>> limited, but I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. 
>> There's not a SM limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?
>> 
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Hello Rick...

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification

[Steve Jones]

uh oh. dads home, put the cat back outside

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

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[AFMUG] OT: Another RUD for SN11

[Bill Prince]

  
  


Another RUD for SN11
  https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/03/30/spacexs-latest-high-altitude-starship-test-flight-ends-in-apparent-explosion/


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Re: [AFMUG] Newest printer

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes.  We are funding out

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:49 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Very Nice.  I think I have one model before that.  I have to take the
> batteries out when not in use or else it drains them.
>
> On 3/30/2021 10:39 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The other one died...
>
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[AFMUG] Fw: AF subscription notification

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Hello Rick...

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It is somewhat more expensive to buy the limited and then upgrade.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love Them!!!
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> Things only get better.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> roland
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to 
>> look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering? 
>> 
>> On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a 
>> click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> 
>> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
>> 
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
>> crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't have
>> to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
>> of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
>> need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
>> limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
>> 
>> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited, but
>> I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
>> limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Sam Lambie]

I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love
Them!!!

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin  wrote:

> Things only get better.
>
>
>
> roland
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>
>
>
> For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to
> look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering?
>
> On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a
> click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
>
>
> Roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>
> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
> crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't
> have
> to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
> of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
> need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
> limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
>
> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited,
> but
> I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
> limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Roland Houin]

Things only get better.

 

roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

 

For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to
look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering?  

On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a
click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

The only limit is the mu-mimo..


Roland

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Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't have
to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.

It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited, but
I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
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Re: [AFMUG] Newest printer

[Nate Burke]

Very Nice.  I think I have one model before that.  I have to take the 
batteries out when not in use or else it drains them.


On 3/30/2021 10:39 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

The other one died...





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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Nate Burke]

For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to 
look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering?


On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally 
just a click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).


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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin > wrote:


The only limit is the mu-mimo..


Roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very
expensive tower
crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we
don't have
to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors
at the top
of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the
capacity
need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.

It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M
limited, but
I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not
a SM
limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Josh Luthman]

It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a
click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:

> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
>
>
> Roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>
> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
> crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't
> have
> to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
> of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
> need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
> limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
>
> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited,
> but
> I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
> limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Roland Houin]

The only limit is the mu-mimo..


Roland

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't have
to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.

It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited, but
I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?

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[AFMUG] 450M Limited

[Nate Burke]

We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive 
tower crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we 
don't have to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 
Sectors at the top of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We 
don't have the capacity need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of 
putting up the 450M limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires 
Mu-Mimo.


It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited, 
but I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a 
SM limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?


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