Re: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

[David Coudron]

Yep.   We need the whole crew back.   Where else can you find out about things 
like the trunk monkey, which I never knew existed.   I have been calling every 
car dealer in the 5 state area to get one.   They all act like they have never 
heard of it.  Bastards.   Must be a Covid thing…….

Steve, can’t offer any advice on the class ring thing.   All I can say is that 
when our two winning swimmers graduated recently, no one in their classes got 
any of that stuff except the year books.   Prom is still a pretty big deal 
though.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

We never did yearbooks. I lost the first year if my oldest boys pics just after 
I started the format of a hard drive a decade an a half ago. That realization 
sucks, being the interim generation of analog to digital. As I age, having 
almost zero of that little bastards pics for his first years sucks. (Pre 2005 
housefire survivors probably want to beat my head in).
That's the whole reason I joined the shitshow called facebook.

But just got this little homos sophomore class ring notice. Being an optional 
high school dropout( was given the administrative option to drop out or await 
the next board meeting for expulsion) I see the opportunities missed.
I dont 8intend to send the kids back to brick and mortar school again, too much 
politics when theres legitimate online options now. But dumb shit, class rings, 
homecomings, proms, selling oregano and empty blotters paper to rich kids, 
graduation ceremonies... at what point does that nonsense matter? This 
generation of testes winner swimmers has got to have something, being the 
interims, I call them generation I.
What's worth having? A ring, a book of pics, a prom night kid?

Wheres the line?

 Before me and jaime broke afmug again there were a lot of old people here, who 
know more than my semi old ass. Call Ken an mr type, get them back here and 
tell them theres some non wisp, non political shit going on, and a dad needs 
answers.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

[Adam Moffett]

Our homeschooling co-op talked about arranging a prom.  Problem was the 
people who wanted one were the same people incapable of organizing one.  
Good luck.



On 4/1/2021 11:33 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We never did yearbooks. I lost the first year if my oldest boys pics 
just after I started the format of a hard drive a decade an a half 
ago. That realization sucks, being the interim generation of analog to 
digital. As I age, having almost zero of that little bastards pics for 
his first years sucks. (Pre 2005 housefire survivors probably want to 
beat my head in).

That's the whole reason I joined the shitshow called facebook.

But just got this little homos sophomore class ring notice. Being an 
optional high school dropout( was given the administrative option to 
drop out or await the next board meeting for expulsion) I see the 
opportunities missed.
I dont 8intend to send the kids back to brick and mortar school again, 
too much politics when theres legitimate online options now. But dumb 
shit, class rings, homecomings, proms, selling oregano and empty 
blotters paper to rich kids, graduation ceremonies... at what point 
does that nonsense matter? This generation of testes winner swimmers 
has got to have something, being the interims, I call them generation I.

What's worth having? A ring, a book of pics, a prom night kid?

Wheres the line?

 Before me and jaime broke afmug again there were a lot of old people 
here, who know more than my semi old ass. Call Ken an mr type, get 
them back here and tell them theres some non wisp, non political shit 
going on, and a dad needs answers.


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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Bill Prince]

I might argue with that statement. New cases in Texas right now is 
running about 3,500 per day, and active cases is right about 100,000.


Only about 100 are dying per day, so if that's what you're referring to, 
maybe that's OK.


bp


On 4/1/2021 6:35 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

In most states, if you want a covid shot, you will have it by the show.
The single shot effectiveness is 70-80% depending on which study you read.

So, lets break it down: Very few people are infected with covid in Texas.  Most 
people who want a shot will have their first shot by the show, yielding them 
70-80% immune to a disease that very few people would be ill with.
Your likelihood of encountering the covid virus is very low and most people's 
immunity will already be in place yielding a very low risk threshold.

I'm be more concerned with the drive to the airport than picking up covid from 
the conference.

Now, of course it makes sense to be careful but the paranoia has got to stop at 
some point.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 8:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

That answer would be totally ignoring the question.   Texas isn't a mask 
requirement state and what numbers they are reporting might not have any 
relationship to the actual state of the disease at the time of the conference.  
Wear a mask, maintain distance, don't eat indoors or go to bars.   Don't touch 
your face with your hands unless you have disinfected your hands.   Remember 
how well they prepared for an ice storm for their citizens.  Remember that 
their representatives get out of town when there are problems in town.


On 4/1/21 5:46 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Don't lick the doorknobs.  You'll be fine.

Texas' numbers are way down and will be further down by the time the show rolls 
around.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 6:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Does anyone know what the Covid guidelines for the conference are?

Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...

We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel
before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make
any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to
settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to
reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending.

As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both
Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the
show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get
everything together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some
internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't
really be put on hold at this point.   So we're going to have to miss
this one.

Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll
be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're
planning on attending.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

  Im waiting for vegas show


  On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
  there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

  Sam,

  I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all
  things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance
  levels than what WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020
  before it was canceled.

  WA historically has been the "engineering" show. Deeper
  dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep
  dives like the old and much cherished Animal Farm shows).
  Turn-out is always smaller because there are less
  business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

  Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a
  very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows
  (and I'm not just saying that).

  photograph
  Daniel White
  Co-Founder
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
  direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


  Sam Lambie 
  March 30, 2021 at 14:00
  Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there
  will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
  I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is
   

[AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Josh Luthman]

>Is her daughter still involved with the organization?

Yes.  https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>
> I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
>
> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like this:  No
> way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have some broad walking the
> floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
>
> But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>
> Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>
> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel before
> June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make any
> plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to settle
> down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to reduce my
> risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending.
>
> As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both
> Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the show.
> But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get everything
> together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some internal projects in
> progress we would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>
> Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll be in
> vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're planning on
> attending.
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  wrote:
>
>> Im waiting for vegas show
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be
>> nice to see people in person finally.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> Sam,
>>>
>>> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things
>>> considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what
>>> WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
>>>
>>> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An
>>> "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much
>>> cherished Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because there are
>>> less business/accounting/HR focused tracks.
>>>
>>> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very
>>> different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just
>>> saying that).
>>>
>>> [image: photograph]
>>> Daniel White
>>> Co-Founder
>>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>>
>>> Sam Lambie
>>> March 30, 2021 at 14:00
>>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a
>>> crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
>>> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any
>>> more informative and better organized or??
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Josh Luthman]

Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
wrote:

> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>
> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
> tower?
>
> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

I won't do anything until I hear from the powers that be. Wondering if
anyone has been down this road before.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:22 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Definitely don't climb now.
>
> Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
>> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
>> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
>> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
>> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
>> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
>> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>>
>> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
>> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
>> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
>> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
>> tower?
>>
>> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Adam Moffett]

We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  
Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and 
carried it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.


So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it? Is the 
bird arguably in danger?



On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless > wrote:


I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys
are building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that
because it's a protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they
leave in the fall. I have an email into the state DNR but no
response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't expect a
response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount
a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding
off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that
climbing can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner
(a small private owner, not one of the big three) who suggested
adding a ring below the platform with the nest for the new PTPs.
Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Adam Moffett]

https://www.facebook.com/10176979049/videos/1828026127213269/


On 4/2/2021 10:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle 
it.  Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and 
carried it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.


So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is 
the bird arguably in danger?



On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:


I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys
are building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that
because it's a protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they
leave in the fall. I have an email into the state DNR but no
response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't expect a
response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to
mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am
holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my
WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that
climbing can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner
(a small private owner, not one of the big three) who suggested
adding a ring below the platform with the nest for the new PTPs.
Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.
> Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried
> it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.
>
> So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the
> bird arguably in danger?
>
>
> On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Definitely don't climb now.
>
> Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
>> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
>> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
>> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
>> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
>> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
>> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>>
>> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
>> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
>> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
>> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
>> tower?
>>
>> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Adam Moffett]

Can you put the bird INTO danger?

On 4/2/2021 10:33 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle
it.  Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in
and carried it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it? 
Is the bird arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that
Ospreys are building a nest on my monopole platform. He's
saying that because it's a protected bird, I can't climb the
tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov
holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda
freaking out here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was
planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that
climbing can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower
owner (a small private owner, not one of the big three) who
suggested adding a ring below the platform with the nest for
the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Adam Moffett]

That's tongue in cheek.  I don't advocate endangering the birds 
intentionally.


On 4/2/2021 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Can you put the bird INTO danger?

On 4/2/2021 10:33 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to
untangle it.  Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was
tangled in and carried it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird
away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it? 
Is the bird arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that
Ospreys are building a nest on my monopole platform. He's
saying that because it's a protected bird, I can't climb the
tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov
holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda
freaking out here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was
planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that
climbing can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower
owner (a small private owner, not one of the big three) who
suggested adding a ring below the platform with the nest for
the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[David Coudron]

From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the nest 
is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks in it.   
I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.   Ospreys are 
managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be good if you could 
find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If not, I would work with 
the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done without running afoul of 
any state based regulations.  I don’t think federal regulations stop you from 
working on the pole if the nest is inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick 
google search.   However, I would press the state wildlife guy for the printed 
regulations.   His understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  Climber 
put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried it down.  A 
DEC guy came and took the bird away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the bird 
arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't
have the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is
responsible for the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to
LinkedIn, she is a state biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher
volunteer guy says they're at the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an
egg yet. I very much got the feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the
full picture.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the
> nest is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks
> in it.   I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.
> Ospreys are managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be
> good if you could find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If
> not, I would work with the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done
> without running afoul of any state based regulations.  I don’t think
> federal regulations stop you from working on the pole if the nest is
> inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick google search.   However, I
> would press the state wildlife guy for the printed regulations.   His
> understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Aeron Wireless
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
>
>
> Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.
> Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried
> it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.
>
> So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the
> bird arguably in danger?
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Definitely don't climb now.
>
>
> Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>
>
>
> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
> tower?
>
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[David Coudron]

From reading some quick information online, it appears you have a lot more 
options if the nest is inactive, including removing the nest in the state of 
Michigan.   However, if you don’t intend to remove it, and it is inactive, I 
don’t see any regulations prohibiting you from working on the tower, especially 
if you aren’t going to disturb the nest.   But, I would press anyone you 
interact with for the printed/online official regulation.  There is likely lots 
of exaggerated information out there.   Basically the federal law treats them 
as a protected  species, which means you cannot posses the bird, the chicks, or 
the eggs.   Doesn’t really say anything about the nests.  Nebraska is pretty 
clear about the difference between active and inactive nests.   Whatever you 
do, getting your work done before the nest goes active if the nest is currently 
inactive, would be a good plan.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't have 
the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is responsible for 
the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to LinkedIn, she is a state 
biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher volunteer guy says they're at 
the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an egg yet. I very much got the 
feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the full picture.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the nest 
is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks in it.   
I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.   Ospreys are 
managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be good if you could 
find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If not, I would work with 
the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done without running afoul of 
any state based regulations.  I don’t think federal regulations stop you from 
working on the pole if the nest is inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick 
google search.   However, I would press the state wildlife guy for the printed 
regulations.   His understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  Climber 
put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried it down.  A 
DEC guy came and took the bird away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the bird 
arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

Thank you, David. I planned on getting this done today but got the call
yesterday about the nest building. I won't do anything without DNR approval
but waiting to hear back is killing me.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> From reading some quick information online, it appears you have a lot more
> options if the nest is inactive, including removing the nest in the state
> of Michigan.   However, if you don’t intend to remove it, and it is
> inactive, I don’t see any regulations prohibiting you from working on the
> tower, especially if you aren’t going to disturb the nest.   But, I would
> press anyone you interact with for the printed/online official regulation.
> There is likely lots of exaggerated information out there.   Basically the
> federal law treats them as a protected  species, which means you cannot
> posses the bird, the chicks, or the eggs.   Doesn’t really say anything
> about the nests.  Nebraska is pretty clear about the difference between
> active and inactive nests.   Whatever you do, getting your work done before
> the nest goes active if the nest is currently inactive, would be a good
> plan.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Aeron Wireless
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 9:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
>
>
> The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't
> have the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is
> responsible for the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to
> LinkedIn, she is a state biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher
> volunteer guy says they're at the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an
> egg yet. I very much got the feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the
> full picture.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the
> nest is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks
> in it.   I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.
> Ospreys are managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be
> good if you could find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If
> not, I would work with the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done
> without running afoul of any state based regulations.  I don’t think
> federal regulations stop you from working on the pole if the nest is
> inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick google search.   However, I
> would press the state wildlife guy for the printed regulations.   His
> understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Aeron Wireless
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
>
>
> Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.
> Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried
> it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.
>
> So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the
> bird arguably in danger?
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Definitely don't climb now.
>
>
> Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>
>
>
> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
> tower?
>
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Steve Jones]

when i looked into it for a tower we are on that had a nest, non osprey, It
is no climb/no work until there is a DNR blessing, and all work had to be
performed in the presence of a DNR rep. if the birds were in a threat
environment, they would relocate them. Seemed like everything  was
completely doable but it all had to be done with blessing and oversight of
DNR, we lucked out tand the discovered nest was dead.

If you need it to be under threat, call a couple of the anti 5G mopes and
tell them theres an osprey at risk of catching brain cancer or chin
grimmits. theyll bother DNR so much that DNR will relocate the nest and
bird to an undisclosed location

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:09 AM Aeron Wireless 
wrote:

> Thank you, David. I planned on getting this done today but got the call
> yesterday about the nest building. I won't do anything without DNR approval
> but waiting to hear back is killing me.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> From reading some quick information online, it appears you have a lot
>> more options if the nest is inactive, including removing the nest in the
>> state of Michigan.   However, if you don’t intend to remove it, and it is
>> inactive, I don’t see any regulations prohibiting you from working on the
>> tower, especially if you aren’t going to disturb the nest.   But, I would
>> press anyone you interact with for the printed/online official regulation.
>> There is likely lots of exaggerated information out there.   Basically the
>> federal law treats them as a protected  species, which means you cannot
>> posses the bird, the chicks, or the eggs.   Doesn’t really say anything
>> about the nests.  Nebraska is pretty clear about the difference between
>> active and inactive nests.   Whatever you do, getting your work done before
>> the nest goes active if the nest is currently inactive, would be a good
>> plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Aeron Wireless
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 9:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>>
>>
>>
>> The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't
>> have the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is
>> responsible for the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to
>> LinkedIn, she is a state biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher
>> volunteer guy says they're at the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an
>> egg yet. I very much got the feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the
>> full picture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>> From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the
>> nest is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks
>> in it.   I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.
>> Ospreys are managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be
>> good if you could find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If
>> not, I would work with the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done
>> without running afoul of any state based regulations.  I don’t think
>> federal regulations stop you from working on the pole if the nest is
>> inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick google search.   However, I
>> would press the state wildlife guy for the printed regulations.   His
>> understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Aeron Wireless
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>>
>>
>>
>> Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.
>> Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried
>> it down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.
>>
>> So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the
>> bird arguably in danger?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Definitely don't climb now.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
>> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
>> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
>> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
>> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
>> here. I need to mount a few PTP link

Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Chuck McCown via AF]

https://natehome.com/safety-education/nate-webinars/register-for-live-nate-webinar/

From: Aeron Wireless 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP. 

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before? 



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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Aeron Wireless]

I read this which gave me hope.

sent from my android phone

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 11:39 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

>
> https://natehome.com/safety-education/nate-webinars/register-for-live-nate-webinar/
>
> *From:* Aeron Wireless
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 8:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>
> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
> tower?
>
> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If the osprey built a next on top of a VOR station or and ICBM silo I am pretty 
sure something would be done.  I read that power companies can call and have 
the nest relocated if the put up a pole nearby with a platform on it.  

I would argue the “critical infrastructure” angle with any DNR person if it 
gets pissy.

Flight plans are filed over the internet, thus any internet connection is part 
of the “air traffic control” system
VOIP can be used to call 911, thus it is part of “public safety critical 
communications”.  
Ongoing federal law enforcement actions are using the internet, you would not 
want the DNR to obstruct justice would you?
The bird can cause a fire.
DNR is engaged in a “taking” without compensation which is prohibited by the 
5th amendment of the US Constitution. 
The DNR in interfering with interstate commerce.   

The whole cook their brains with RF has been studied and shot down by birders.  
Obviously anticipating that argument.  

I am sure I can come up with more.  
I think a good windstorm could cause a nest to fall, windstorms happen all the 
time.
Sometimes an osprey will fly across a skeet shooting range accidentally.  

If they say no climb they are not saying no bucket truck and no crane with man 
basket.  

I would check it out with a drone and see if there are eggs or chicks.  

From: Aeron Wireless 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Thank you, David. I planned on getting this done today but got the call 
yesterday about the nest building. I won't do anything without DNR approval but 
waiting to hear back is killing me.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Coudron  
wrote:

  From reading some quick information online, it appears you have a lot more 
options if the nest is inactive, including removing the nest in the state of 
Michigan.   However, if you don’t intend to remove it, and it is inactive, I 
don’t see any regulations prohibiting you from working on the tower, especially 
if you aren’t going to disturb the nest.   But, I would press anyone you 
interact with for the printed/online official regulation.  There is likely lots 
of exaggerated information out there.   Basically the federal law treats them 
as a protected  species, which means you cannot posses the bird, the chicks, or 
the eggs.   Doesn’t really say anything about the nests.  Nebraska is pretty 
clear about the difference between active and inactive nests.   Whatever you 
do, getting your work done before the nest goes active if the nest is currently 
inactive, would be a good plan.



  Regards,



  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
  Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:48 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers



  The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't 
have the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is responsible 
for the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to LinkedIn, she is a 
state biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher volunteer guy says 
they're at the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an egg yet. I very much got 
the feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the full picture.



  On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron  
wrote:

From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the 
nest is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks in 
it.   I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.   Ospreys 
are managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be good if you 
could find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If not, I would work 
with the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done without running afoul 
of any state based regulations.  I don’t think federal regulations stop you 
from working on the pole if the nest is inactive.   However, that was a pretty 
quick google search.   However, I would press the state wildlife guy for the 
printed regulations.   His understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.



Regards,



David Coudron



From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers



Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.



On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  
Climber put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried it 
down.  A DEC guy came and took the bird away.

  So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the 
bird arguably in danger?



  On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely don't climb now. 


Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.




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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Well, when they left 4 years ago, I invited them back one by one and they came. 
 I am not doing it again.  However if one of you guys want to do the invites 
please do so.  We lost about 20% of the group this time.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

Yep.   We need the whole crew back.   Where else can you find out about things 
like the trunk monkey, which I never knew existed.   I have been calling every 
car dealer in the 5 state area to get one.   They all act like they have never 
heard of it.  Bastards.   Must be a Covid thing…….

 

Steve, can’t offer any advice on the class ring thing.   All I can say is that 
when our two winning swimmers graduated recently, no one in their classes got 
any of that stuff except the year books.   Prom is still a pretty big deal 
though.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

 

We never did yearbooks. I lost the first year if my oldest boys pics just after 
I started the format of a hard drive a decade an a half ago. That realization 
sucks, being the interim generation of analog to digital. As I age, having 
almost zero of that little bastards pics for his first years sucks. (Pre 2005 
housefire survivors probably want to beat my head in).

That's the whole reason I joined the shitshow called facebook.

 

But just got this little homos sophomore class ring notice. Being an optional 
high school dropout( was given the administrative option to drop out or await 
the next board meeting for expulsion) I see the opportunities missed. 

I dont 8intend to send the kids back to brick and mortar school again, too much 
politics when theres legitimate online options now. But dumb shit, class rings, 
homecomings, proms, selling oregano and empty blotters paper to rich kids, 
graduation ceremonies... at what point does that nonsense matter? This 
generation of testes winner swimmers has got to have something, being the 
interims, I call them generation I. 

What's worth having? A ring, a book of pics, a prom night kid?

 

Wheres the line?

 

Before me and jaime broke afmug again there were a lot of old people here, who 
know more than my semi old ass. Call Ken an mr type, get them back here and 
tell them theres some non wisp, non political shit going on, and a dad needs 
answers.




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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[Jan-GAMs]

 I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let 
alone a ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor 
speaker, mount it as close as you can get it to the nest and play a 
looped recording of a yapping chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around where 
they can't listen and talk to each other, even anti-social ones like 
raptors I think wouldn't like it.  These are a world-wide species, why 
is it protected?


On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are 
building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's 
a protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the 
fall. I have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and 
today being a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. 
Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was 
planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear definitively. 
This is the main tower for my WISP.


Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing 
can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small 
private owner, not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring 
below the platform with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done 
with the birds on the tower?


Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?

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[AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Jason McKemie]

What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?  Is
part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does it
come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want to
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[AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Adam Moffett]

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows 
me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be 
a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom 
why it's not a commodity item.




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Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm range 
would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows me a 
> few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be a really 
> useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why it's not a 
> commodity item.
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Pretty sure you can just use the right wdm equipment and do this.  I know I 
have seen power points from Calix showing how you layer GPON with NGPON, 
NGPON_2, NGPON-3 etc etc on the same strand.


It would be similar to a diplex filter I would think.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 2:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows
me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be
a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom
why it's not a commodity item.



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Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Adam Moffett]

GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up

I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.

DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.

DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only 
touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it 
through the wrong lens.



On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm range 
would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).


On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows me a 
few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be a really 
useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why it's not a 
commodity item.



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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Matt Hoppes]

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got 
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away 
with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something is 
the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?  
Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does 
it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want 
to make sure I have everything in-place.




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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Josh Luthman]

*[
https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc
18awg4c cable]
*[
https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Singlemode-Outdoor-Armored-Preterminated-Fiber
preterminated fiber]
*[
https://www.amazon.com/Molex-63811-1000-Service-Grade-Crimping/dp/B00OVF2AKI
Molex 63811-1000 crimper]
*[
https://www.amazon.com/Molex-11-03-0044-Connector-Accessories-Extraction/dp/B00GOIY1NE/
Molex 11-03-0044 extractor]
*[https://www.fs.com/products/97935.html Armored UV resistant 1m armored
patch cable dual duplex LC UPC]
*[
https://www.streakwave.com/cambium-n00l140a-silver-rj-45-gland-spare-pg16-long
N00L140A SFP glands]

We use FS bidi that we've got a shelf of already.
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.
>
> Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
> pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.
>
> Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got
> some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
> with the 4 wire.
>
> You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something is
> the part number).
>
> On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?
> > Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does
> > it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want
> > to make sure I have everything in-place.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[dave]

we use 4-wire riser cable from the local wholesale company which is 
perfect for outdoor protection

we use only best-tronics tactical pair fiber with or without glands.
we use only FS SFP modules. Cisco compatible with high range temperature.

Been installed for over 3 years no issues.

The whole power thing we solved by using something similar to squid 
distribution box but only for hybrid cable.
The first deployment was tough we used a 3 wire #8 riser cable into a 
3'x4' nema enclosure using lugs. Which was
not the best due to surge protection. I now have a new standard for 
design that basically incorporates the PacketFlux DC cards
and EtherWan fiber switches. The only thing coming down the tower is a 
single armored fiber with the 3 wire#8 for Power.

The new design cleans up the wire management for sure.

Medusa are the big boy toys which need the big boy deployments.


On 4/2/21 3:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something 
is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first 
one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.






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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[dave]

Josh this should make your day

https://eupen.us/products/hybrid-fiber-cable-systems/

A rep stopped by to see our two-way rep and I got intrigued LOL!


On 4/2/21 4:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
*[https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc 
18awg4c cable]
*[https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Singlemode-Outdoor-Armored-Preterminated-Fiber 
preterminated fiber]
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-63811-1000-Service-Grade-Crimping/dp/B00OVF2AKI 
Molex 63811-1000 crimper]
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-11-03-0044-Connector-Accessories-Extraction/dp/B00GOIY1NE/ 
Molex 11-03-0044 extractor]
*[https://www.fs.com/products/97935.html Armored UV resistant 1m 
armored patch cable dual duplex LC UPC]
*[https://www.streakwave.com/cambium-n00l140a-silver-rj-45-gland-spare-pg16-long 
N00L140A SFP glands]


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Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.

Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI...
he's got
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
with the 4 wire.

You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or
something is
the part number).

On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz
450M?
> Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP
and does
> it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and
I want
> to make sure I have everything in-place.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Adam Moffett]

What's the issue with 4 wires?


On 4/2/2021 4:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something 
is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first 
one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.






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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks for all of the information everyone.

Does Best-tronics make a cable with a gland included?

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:26 PM dave  wrote:

> we use 4-wire riser cable from the local wholesale company which is
> perfect for outdoor protection
> we use only best-tronics tactical pair fiber with or without glands.
> we use only FS SFP modules. Cisco compatible with high range temperature.
>
> Been installed for over 3 years no issues.
>
> The whole power thing we solved by using something similar to squid
> distribution box but only for hybrid cable.
> The first deployment was tough we used a 3 wire #8 riser cable into a
> 3'x4' nema enclosure using lugs. Which was
> not the best due to surge protection. I now have a new standard for design
> that basically incorporates the PacketFlux DC cards
> and EtherWan fiber switches. The only thing coming down the tower is a
> single armored fiber with the 3 wire#8 for Power.
> The new design cleans up the wire management for sure.
>
> Medusa are the big boy toys which need the big boy deployments.
>
>
> On 4/2/21 3:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.
>
> Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
> pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.
>
> Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got
> some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away with
> the 4 wire.
>
> You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something is
> the part number).
>
> On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?  Is
> part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does it
> come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want to
> make sure I have everything in-place.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Chuck McCown via AF]

And you can even use it as heliax!  (Wait, what is the date...)

From: dave 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

Josh this should make your day

https://eupen.us/products/hybrid-fiber-cable-systems/

A rep stopped by to see our two-way rep and I got intrigued LOL!




On 4/2/21 4:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  
*[https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc
 18awg4c cable]
  
*[https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Singlemode-Outdoor-Armored-Preterminated-Fiber
 preterminated fiber]
  
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-63811-1000-Service-Grade-Crimping/dp/B00OVF2AKI 
Molex 63811-1000 crimper]
  
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-11-03-0044-Connector-Accessories-Extraction/dp/B00GOIY1NE/
 Molex 11-03-0044 extractor]
  *[https://www.fs.com/products/97935.html Armored UV resistant 1m armored 
patch cable dual duplex LC UPC]
  
*[https://www.streakwave.com/cambium-n00l140a-silver-rj-45-gland-spare-pg16-long
 N00L140A SFP glands]


  We use FS bidi that we've got a shelf of already.
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.

Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got 
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away 
with the 4 wire.

You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something is 
the part number).

On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?  
> Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does 
> it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want 
> to make sure I have everything in-place.
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Josh Baird]

Power really isn't a pain in the ass.  Just use this (which is what Josh L.
linked):

https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc

You don't need to buy special glands either.  Just buy the package of
glands that Cambium sells.  They work fine.

Fiberstore generic SFPs work fine.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.
>
> Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
> pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.
>
> Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got
> some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
> with the 4 wire.
>
> You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something is
> the part number).
>
> On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 450M?
> > Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP and does
> > it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and I want
> > to make sure I have everything in-place.
> >
>
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