date:20210422

Yep

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 8:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> There seem to be a lot of colorful tower people.
> On 4/22/2021 8:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> When I had my company and got a large tower erection contract, i hired two
> new guys one of them had worked on towers 10 years and was very
> knowledgeable.
> Few first tower builds , nada, no problems. One of the crews is working in
> Uvalde, Texas. Get a call from foreman...this guy in his 30s is trying to
> pick up high school girls , the high school guys call him a pervert, he
> gets angry and tries to fight several kids... foreman yanks him into the
> vancalls me...i told Mario , take him to hotel, have him pack up, buy
> him a bus ticket and give him $20.00 for food. Send me his hours and i will
> have check ready for him.
>  he goes all pissed off ...
> Next day he goes by to pick up check...he is cussing at secretary...my son
> happened to be there shipping some stuff to us and asks him to leavehe
> tells my son that he is going to kick my ass when he sees me...my son
> laughs at him...he comes toward my son...son kicked him in shin, dropped
> him and threw him out.
> The guy is outside yelling calling my son out...he went outguy walked
> away talking shit.
> Never saw him or heard about him again.
>
> He was making more money than he had ever made...great tower guy, lousy
> attitude.
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:50 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High
>> performer.  But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass etc.
>> Damaged a vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a write up.
>> Started having absentee issues.
>>
>> Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They
>> guy said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and when
>> asked what things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think of a single
>> thing”.  Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So the supervisor said
>> he was done, someone would give him a ride at the end of the shift.  He
>> started throwing around the his lawyer was going to contacting us.  He was
>> going to sue the company, sue the supervisor etc.
>>
>> Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial issue.
>> I have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is black.  If I had
>> to guess, he was Italian.  Most of my crew has some shade of brown.  I
>> actually prefer that.
>>
>> He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the last 5
>> jobs he worked.
>>
>> Dang, he could have been one of the good ones.  Toxic employee though.  I
>> value the lack of drama more than almost anything else.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy today


There seem to be a lot of colorful tower people.

On 4/22/2021 8:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
When I had my company and got a large tower erection contract, i hired 
two new guys one of them had worked on towers 10 years and was 
very knowledgeable.
Few first tower builds , nada, no problems. One of the crews is 
working in Uvalde, Texas. Get a call from foreman...this guy in his 
30s is trying to pick up high school girls , the high school guys call 
him a pervert, he gets angry and tries to fight several kids... 
foreman yanks him into the vancalls me...i told Mario , take him 
to hotel, have him pack up, buy him a bus ticket and give him $20.00 
for food. Send me his hours and i will have check ready for him.

 he goes all pissed off ...
Next day he goes by to pick up check...he is cussing at secretary...my 
son happened to be there shipping some stuff to us and asks him to 
leavehe tells my son that he is going to kick my ass when he sees 
me...my son laughs at him...he comes toward my son...son kicked him in 
shin, dropped him and threw him out.
The guy is outside yelling calling my son out...he went outguy 
walked away talking shit.

Never saw him or heard about him again.

He was making more money than he had ever made...great tower guy, 
lousy attitude.


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:50 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High
performer.  But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers
ass etc.  Damaged a vehicle and acted like it was no big deal. 
Got a write up. Started having absentee issues.
Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action. 
They guy said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total
idiot” and when asked what things he could do to improve:
“nothing, can’t think of a single thing”.  Copped an attitude for
about the 5th time.  So the supervisor said he was done, someone
would give him a ride at the end of the shift.  He started
throwing around the his lawyer was going to contacting us.  He was
going to sue the company, sue the supervisor etc.
Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial
issue.  I have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is
black.  If I had to guess, he was Italian.  Most of my crew has
some shade of brown.  I actually prefer that.
He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the
last 5 jobs he worked.
Dang, he could have been one of the good ones. Toxic employee
though.  I value the lack of drama more than almost anything else.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy today

When I had my company and got a large tower erection contract, i hired two
new guys one of them had worked on towers 10 years and was very
knowledgeable.
Few first tower builds , nada, no problems. One of the crews is working in
Uvalde, Texas. Get a call from foreman...this guy in his 30s is trying to
pick up high school girls , the high school guys call him a pervert, he
gets angry and tries to fight several kids... foreman yanks him into the
vancalls me...i told Mario , take him to hotel, have him pack up, buy
him a bus ticket and give him $20.00 for food. Send me his hours and i will
have check ready for him.
 he goes all pissed off ...
Next day he goes by to pick up check...he is cussing at secretary...my son
happened to be there shipping some stuff to us and asks him to leavehe
tells my son that he is going to kick my ass when he sees me...my son
laughs at him...he comes toward my son...son kicked him in shin, dropped
him and threw him out.
The guy is outside yelling calling my son out...he went outguy walked
away talking shit.
Never saw him or heard about him again.

He was making more money than he had ever made...great tower guy, lousy
attitude.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:50 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High
> performer.  But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass etc.
> Damaged a vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a write up.
> Started having absentee issues.
>
> Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They guy
> said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and when asked
> what things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think of a single
> thing”.  Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So the supervisor said
> he was done, someone would give him a ride at the end of the shift.  He
> started throwing around the his lawyer was going to contacting us.  He was
> going to sue the company, sue the supervisor etc.
>
> Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial issue.  I
> have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is black.  If I had to
> guess, he was Italian.  Most of my crew has some shade of brown.  I
> actually prefer that.
>
> He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the last 5
> jobs he worked.
>
> Dang, he could have been one of the good ones.  Toxic employee though.  I
> value the lack of drama more than almost anything else.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy today

2021-04-22 Thread Dev

Good riddance probably, the longer a toxic employee stays the worst it gets 
usually, and it spreads to less toxic folks.

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High performer.  
> But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass etc.  Damaged a 
> vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a write up.  Started having 
> absentee issues.
>  
> Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They guy 
> said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and when asked 
> what things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think of a single thing”. 
>  Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So the supervisor said he was 
> done, someone would give him a ride at the end of the shift.  He started 
> throwing around the his lawyer was going to contacting us.  He was going to 
> sue the company, sue the supervisor etc. 
>  
> Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial issue.  I 
> have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is black.  If I had to 
> guess, he was Italian.  Most of my crew has some shade of brown.  I actually 
> prefer that. 
>  
> He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the last 5 
> jobs he worked. 
>  
> Dang, he could have been one of the good ones.  Toxic employee though.  I 
> value the lack of drama more than almost anything else. 
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[AFMUG] OT fired a guy today

2021-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High performer.  
But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass etc.  Damaged a 
vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a write up.  Started having 
absentee issues.

Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They guy said 
two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and when asked what 
things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think of a single thing”.  
Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So the supervisor said he was done, 
someone would give him a ride at the end of the shift.  He started throwing 
around the his lawyer was going to contacting us.  He was going to sue the 
company, sue the supervisor etc.  

Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial issue.  I have 
no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is black.  If I had to guess, he 
was Italian.  Most of my crew has some shade of brown.  I actually prefer that. 
 

He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the last 5 jobs 
he worked.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

One of the new managers at water company used to work for an outfit that
does fiber.
All of sudden...that IT company is bidding on SCADA projects.
We have done several fiber projects for them at waste water plants which
have a ton of EMI and RFI noise so Ethernet cabling had a lot of issues.
All of them solid for years...we test everything...just like we do with all
our wiring...
Never asked us for certification...oh well , i don't mind learning new
tricks and getting another certification...i just don't want to travel far..

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 3:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I agree, they have pretty much any cert you can ask for when it comes to
> fiber.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2021 12:52 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in
> Albuquerque area
>
> Jaime,
>
> If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.
>
> I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class
> with them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.
>
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> Thursday, April 22, 2021, 2:28:41 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know of a place? Sam i Am Lambie?
> It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
> Thanks
> Jaime
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

Lol...i was alluding to Sam Lambie

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 3:11 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Here’s the correct syntax:
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>
> It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, I does not like it Sam I
> am.
>
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> Albuquerque area
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a place? Sam i Am Lambie?
>
> It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

2021-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque areaI 
agree, they have pretty much any cert you can ask for when it comes to fiber.  

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in 
Albuquerque area

Jaime,

If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.

I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class with 
them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.

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  It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
  Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

2021-04-22 Thread James Howard

Here's the correct syntax:

It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, I does not like it Sam I am.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque 
area

Does anyone know of a place? Sam i Am Lambie?
It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
Thanks
Jaime

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

Ok thanks..

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:59 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> Our class had 6 people in it.  Only two of us from our company.  Other 4
> were for different companies.   Noe is the time to do it, being they are
> keeping class size down.  I think they have some online classes also, not
> sure if you can get certified though those.
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> We are only two and many of these outfits need 6 to 8 students..
> We know how to do it...but need "Certification" for some bids...
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 12:53 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> Jaime,
>
> If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.
>
> I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class
> with them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

2021-04-22 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area


Jaime,

Our class had 6 people in it.  Only two of us from our company.  Other 4 were for different companies.   Noe is the time to do it, being they are keeping class size down.  I think they have some online classes also, not sure if you can get certified though those.

 
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We are only two and many of these outfits need 6 to 8 students..
We know how to do it...but need "Certification" for some bids...

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 12:53 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:




Jaime,

If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.

I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class with them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.

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Does anyone know of a place? Sam i Am Lambie?
It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

We are only two and many of these outfits need 6 to 8 students..
We know how to do it...but need "Certification" for some bids...

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wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.
>
> I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class
> with them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

2021-04-22 Thread Matt Hoppes


No.. fiber doesn't work unless you log in and tell it to.

On 4/22/21 3:47 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
And if you have both plugged into a switch, does recovery mode create a 
loop and blow up the whole site?  Just wondering.



On 4/22/2021 2:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Hmm that I did not test.  That's kind of annoying they could do that 
in recovery mode but not production mode. May limit the pps/overall 
capacity if that were the case?


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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:06 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


I was able to get to it over the fiber too on the bench.  It's
like they were bridged in recovery mode.

On 4/22/2021 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yes if you put it in recovery mode it's only the cat5 cable
(default OOB config).

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Ok, that makes me feel a little better

Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and
Cat5  From there you can enter 'default mode' which will set
the data path to the Cat5, and you can update and reboot from
there.

On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Is Cat5 the default setting?  So in recovery console mode
you'd have the Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?


https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936


On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Not that I've found. It's a single drop down box to select
the data path, that's the only setting.  I set it for
Fiber, the Cat5 port still has a physical link, but passes
no traffic.

I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the
cat5 and rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through,
(maybe 5 or 6) during the bootup process, then it stopped
responding completely. I thought maybe if it had no Link
during a boot it would automatically switch to the
interface with an active link, but no.

On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if
they're not bridged at least a way to back door in through
the second port?

On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the
air, that's completely unusable just because what
should/can be redundant, isn't, because of software.

On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you
can't because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M
radios, from my bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have
to Choose which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber? And the only
way to switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an
SM connection over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside
the radio so both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the
450M.  Does the 450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL
unless you can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing
where you set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able
to find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

And if you have both plugged into a switch, does recovery mode create a 
loop and blow up the whole site?  Just wondering.



On 4/22/2021 2:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Hmm that I did not test.  That's kind of annoying they could do that 
in recovery mode but not production mode. May limit the pps/overall 
capacity if that were the case?


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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:06 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


I was able to get to it over the fiber too on the bench.  It's
like they were bridged in recovery mode.

On 4/22/2021 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yes if you put it in recovery mode it's only the cat5 cable
(default OOB config).

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Ok, that makes me feel a little better

Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and
Cat5  From there you can enter 'default mode' which will set
the data path to the Cat5, and you can update and reboot from
there.

On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Is Cat5 the default setting?  So in recovery console mode
you'd have the Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?


https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936




On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Not that I've found. It's a single drop down box to select
the data path, that's the only setting.  I set it for
Fiber, the Cat5 port still has a physical link, but passes
no traffic.

I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the
cat5 and rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through,
(maybe 5 or 6) during the bootup process, then it stopped
responding completely. I thought maybe if it had no Link
during a boot it would automatically switch to the
interface with an active link, but no.

On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if
they're not bridged at least a way to back door in through
the second port?

On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the
air, that's completely unusable just because what
should/can be redundant, isn't, because of software.

On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you
can't because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M
radios, from my bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have
to Choose which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber? And the only
way to switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an
SM connection over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside
the radio so both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the
450M.  Does the 450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL
unless you can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing
where you set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able
to find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

2021-04-22 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area


Jaime,

If you're looking for an official class, try https://lightbrigade.com/.

I just finished a two day OTDR class with them.  Took a basic fiber class with them about 10 years ago.  They do classes all around the country.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Hmm that I did not test.  That's kind of annoying they could do that in
recovery mode but not production mode.  May limit the pps/overall capacity
if that were the case?

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:06 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I was able to get to it over the fiber too on the bench.  It's like they
> were bridged in recovery mode.
>
> On 4/22/2021 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Yes if you put it in recovery mode it's only the cat5 cable (default OOB
> config).
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Ok, that makes me feel a little better
>>
>> Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and Cat5  From
>> there you can enter 'default mode' which will set the data path to the
>> Cat5, and you can update and reboot from there.
>>
>> On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Is Cat5 the default setting?  So in recovery console mode you'd have the
>> Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?
>>
>>
>> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936
>>
>>
>> On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> Not that I've found.  It's a single drop down box to select the data
>> path, that's the only setting.  I set it for Fiber, the Cat5 port still has
>> a physical link, but passes no traffic.
>>
>> I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and
>> rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6) during the
>> bootup process, then it stopped responding completely.  I thought maybe if
>> it had no Link during a boot it would automatically switch to the interface
>> with an active link, but no.
>>
>> On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I don't have a 450m
>>
>> Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not
>> bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?
>> On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's
>> completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't,
>> because of software.
>>
>> On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> It sucks.  That's how it is.
>>
>> If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because
>> it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke < 
>> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my bench
>>> testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
>>> data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch it if
>>> that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over
>>> the RF?  That can't be right can it?
>>>
>>> The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so both are
>>> active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the 450M
>>> only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can gain
>>> sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
>>> primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

Depends what you want to know.  Maybe you could head up to Chuck's place
and he'd show you around?

You're welcome to come up this way, too, but it's way farther than Dallas :)

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:30 PM Jaime Solorza 
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> It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
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[AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

I was able to get to it over the fiber too on the bench. It's like they
were bridged in recovery mode.

On 4/22/2021 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Yes if you put it in recovery mode it's only the cat5 cable (default
OOB config).

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke > wrote:

Ok, that makes me feel a little better

Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and Cat5
From there you can enter 'default mode' which will set the data

path to the Cat5, and you can update and reboot from there.

On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Is Cat5 the default setting? So in recovery console mode you'd
have the Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936

On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Not that I've found. It's a single drop down box to select the
data path, that's the only setting. I set it for Fiber, the
Cat5 port still has a physical link, but passes no traffic.

I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and
rebooted. I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6)
during the bootup process, then it stopped responding
completely. I thought maybe if it had no Link during a boot it
would automatically switch to the interface with an active link,
but no.

On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's? Even if they're
not bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?

On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Oh, that's bad. A fully functional AP, hanging in the air,
that's completely unusable just because what should/can be
redundant, isn't, because of software.

On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks. That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF. If it's 3 GHz you can't
because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios,
from my bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to
Choose which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber? And the only way
to switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM
connection over
the RF? That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the
radio so both are
active. That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.
Does the 450M

only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL
unless you can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP? I have be missing where
you set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to
find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Yes if you put it in recovery mode it's only the cat5 cable (default OOB
config).

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Ok, that makes me feel a little better
>
> Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and Cat5  From
> there you can enter 'default mode' which will set the data path to the
> Cat5, and you can update and reboot from there.
>
> On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Is Cat5 the default setting?  So in recovery console mode you'd have the
> Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936
>
>
> On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Not that I've found.  It's a single drop down box to select the data path,
> that's the only setting.  I set it for Fiber, the Cat5 port still has a
> physical link, but passes no traffic.
>
> I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and
> rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6) during the
> bootup process, then it stopped responding completely.  I thought maybe if
> it had no Link during a boot it would automatically switch to the interface
> with an active link, but no.
>
> On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I don't have a 450m
>
> Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not
> bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?
> On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's
> completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't,
> because of software.
>
> On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It sucks.  That's how it is.
>
> If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because
> it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my bench
>> testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
>> data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch it if
>> that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over
>> the RF?  That can't be right can it?
>>
>> The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so both are
>> active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the 450M
>> only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can gain
>> sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
>> primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Ok, that makes me feel a little better

Recovery mode appears to be available on both the Fiber and Cat5 From
there you can enter 'default mode' which will set the data path to the
Cat5, and you can update and reboot from there.

On 4/22/2021 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Is Cat5 the default setting? So in recovery console mode you'd have
the Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936

On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Not that I've found. It's a single drop down box to select the data
path, that's the only setting. I set it for Fiber, the Cat5 port
still has a physical link, but passes no traffic.

I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and
rebooted. I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6) during
the bootup process, then it stopped responding completely. I thought
maybe if it had no Link during a boot it would automatically switch
to the interface with an active link, but no.

On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's? Even if they're not
bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?

On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Oh, that's bad. A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's
completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant,
isn't, because of software.

On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks. That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF. If it's 3 GHz you can't
because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke > wrote:

I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from
my bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose
which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber? And the only way to
switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM
connection over
the RF? That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio
so both are
active. That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M. Does
the 450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you
can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP? I have be missing where you
set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Is Cat5 the default setting?  So in recovery console mode you'd have the 
Cat5 and you could get in on 169.254.1.1?


https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-enter-default-mode-or-recovery-console-for-450b-450i-and-450m-series-products/44936


On 4/22/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Not that I've found.  It's a single drop down box to select the data 
path, that's the only setting.  I set it for Fiber, the Cat5 port 
still has a physical link, but passes no traffic.


I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and 
rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6) during 
the bootup process, then it stopped responding completely. I thought 
maybe if it had no Link during a boot it would automatically switch to 
the interface with an active link, but no.


On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not 
bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?


On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's 
completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, 
isn't, because of software.


On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't 
because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.


Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from
my bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose
which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to
switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM
connection over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so
both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does
the 450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you
can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you
set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

2021-04-22 Thread Carl Peterson

nope.  It is one or the other.  Dumbo but at least they put a SFP cage on
it.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:11 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I don't have a 450m
>
> Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not
> bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?
> On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's
> completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't,
> because of software.
>
> On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It sucks.  That's how it is.
>
> If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because
> it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my bench
>> testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
>> data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch it if
>> that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over
>> the RF?  That can't be right can it?
>>
>> The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so both are
>> active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the 450M
>> only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can gain
>> sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
>> primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Not that I've found.  It's a single drop down box to select the data 
path, that's the only setting.  I set it for Fiber, the Cat5 port still 
has a physical link, but passes no traffic.


I unplugged the Fiber cable, plugged my laptop into the cat5 and 
rebooted.  I got a handfull of pings through, (maybe 5 or 6) during the 
bootup process, then it stopped responding completely.  I thought maybe 
if it had no Link during a boot it would automatically switch to the 
interface with an active link, but no.


On 4/22/2021 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not 
bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?


On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's 
completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't, 
because of software.


On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't 
because it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.


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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my
bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose
which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to
switch it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection
over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so
both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M. Does
the 450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you
can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set
the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path


I don't have a 450m

Can you have both ports on with different IP's?  Even if they're not 
bridged at least a way to back door in through the second port?


On 4/22/2021 12:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's 
completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't, 
because of software.


On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because 
it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my
bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch
it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection
over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so
both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M. Does the
450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you
can gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

Oh, that's bad.  A fully functional AP, hanging in the air, that's 
completely unusable just because what should/can be redundant, isn't, 
because of software.


On 4/22/2021 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because 
it'll have to reach a SAS to transmit.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my
bench
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch
it if
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over
the RF?  That can't be right can it?

The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so
both are
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the
450M
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can
gain
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M data path

It sucks.  That's how it is.

If it's 5 GHz you can do it over RF.  If it's 3 GHz you can't because it'll
have to reach a SAS to transmit.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my bench
> testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which
> data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch it if
> that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over
> the RF?  That can't be right can it?
>
> The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so both are
> active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the 450M
> only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can gain
> sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the
> primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.
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[AFMUG] 450M data path

I'm getting ready to deploy my first set of 450M radios, from my bench 
testing, and reading through the manual, do you have to Choose which 
data path is active, Copper OR Fiber?  And the only way to switch it if 
that path is down is to log into the Radio with an SM connection over 
the RF?  That can't be right can it?


The EPMP radios bridge the copper and Fiber inside the radio so both are 
active.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the 450M.  Does the 450M 
only allow one data path, and if it breaks your SOL unless you can gain 
sudo-physical access to the AP?  I have be missing where you set the 
primary/secondary data path, but I haven't been able to find it yet.


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