Re: [AFMUG] G.fast or G.hn for MDUs with older wiring

2021-05-19 Thread Tim Withrow via AF 
Sharing cables is a headache. Constant truck rolls fixing  what others (ie, 
telco or cableco)has modified after your install. 
competitive pressures keep the budget tight on capex costs related to what's 
practical to get it going but in the long run those truck rolls start eating 
into the diminishing returns.
Ethernet cable or Fiber has a longer ROI  on investment however, if you can 
structure your easement or property agreements sufficiently you have better 
choices to chose from at your disposal in making the upgrades more practical.
 
 
  On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM, Brough Turner wrote:   
We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most of 
these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor) into 
each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2 gear 
over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after such 
buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet has 
discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only spare DSLAM, 
so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to obtain spares to 
keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
I have some G.hn experience.  Back in 2017, we did a demonstration project with 
Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:   
http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/The
 building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66 blocks, i.e. 
1970s(?) wiring.  As we connected customers, the results got worse and worse, 
presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the end, results 
were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our Planet VDSL2 gear, 
but not much.  One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had 
individual RJ11 jacks for each line.  This compares with G.fast equipment that 
seems to connect via 25-pair cables.  Talking to a KT engineer who came to 
Boston to help with the installation, I got the impression that most MDUs where 
this gear is used in Korea have Cat3 cabling, not 25-pair bundles.  In any 
event, I'm a bit discouraged with G.hn.
The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection, for 
example this:   
http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdfbut
 I have no experience as yet.
If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)AdtranCalix
I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any 
experience with any G.fast equipment.
If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about the 
setup and your experience.

Thanks,
Brough

Brough Turner
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Mobile:  617-285-0433   Skype:  brough
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 36, Issue 122

2021-05-19 Thread Ryan McAfee 
gt;
> >>
> http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
> >> but I have no experience as yet.
> >>
> >> If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
> >>
> >> Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
> >> Adtran
> >> Calix
> >>
> >> I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any
> >> experience with any G.fast equipment.
> >>
> >> If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
> >> the setup and your experience.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brough
> >>
> >> Brough Turner
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 36, Issue 113

2021-05-19 Thread Brough Turner 
Thanks Ryan,

Have you deployed it and, if so, can you describe the cabling, # of
customers and the results they see?

Thanks,
Brough

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:02 AM Ryan McAfee  wrote:

> There is also Positron
> https://www.positronaccess.com/
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>> We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most
>> of
>> these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor)
>> into
>> each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2
>> gear over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after
>> such buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet
>> has discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only
>> spare DSLAM, so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to
>> obtain spares to keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
>>
>> I have some G.hn experience.  Back in 2017, we did a demonstration
>> project with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:
>>
>>
>> http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
>> The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66
>> blocks,
>> i.e. 1970s(?) wiring.  As we connected customers, the results got worse
>> and
>> worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the
>> end, results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our
>> Planet VDSL2 gear, but not much.  One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM
>> (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line.  This compares
>> with G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables.  Talking
>> to
>> a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation, I got the
>> impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have Cat3
>> cabling, not 25-pair bundles.  In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with
>> G.hn.
>>
>> The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection,
>> for example this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
>> but I have no experience as yet.
>>
>> If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
>>
>> Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
>> Adtran
>> Calix
>>
>> I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any
>> experience with any G.fast equipment.
>>
>> If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
>> the setup and your experience.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brough
>>
>> Brough Turner
>> netBlazr Inc. ? Free your Broadband!
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Re: [AFMUG] http://G.fast or http://G.hn for MDUs with older wiring

2021-05-19 Thread Brough Turner 
Thanks Gino,

With multiple customers in the same 25-pair cable??

Thanks,
Brough

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:24 AM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> We had better experience with Positron .HN
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> *Date: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] http://G.fast or http://G.hn for MDUs with older wiring
>
> We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most
> of these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor)
> into each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet
> VDSL2 gear over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going
> after such buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now
> Planet has discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our
> only spare DSLAM, so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if
> only to obtain spares to keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
>
>
>
> I have some G.hn experience. Back in 2017, we did a demonstration project
> with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:
>
>
> http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
>
> The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66
> blocks, i.e. 1970s(?) wiring. As we connected customers, the results got
> worse and worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair
> bundles. In the end, results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we
> get from our Planet VDSL2 gear, but not much. One thing I noticed was the
> KT DSLAM (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line. This
> compares with G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables.
> Talking to a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation,
> I got the impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have
> Cat3 cabling, not 25-pair bundles. In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with
> G.hn.
>
>
>
> The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection,
> for example this:
>
>
> http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
>
> but I have no experience as yet.
>
>
>
> If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
>
> Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
>
> Adtran
>
> Calix
>
> I know Robert and have talked with him recently. But I don't have any
> experience with any G.fast equipment.
>
>
>
> If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
> the setup and your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
>
> Brough Turner
> netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Nate Burke 
I found the video on this page 
https://insidetowers.com/cell-tower-news-uscellulars-new-ad-campaign-as-americas-locally-grown-wireless/ 
it talks about the 'faux tower on a studio set'


On 5/19/2021 12:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I was having this talk last week, this is why you NEVER put images in 
public of tower work


On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They
surely didn't setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower.



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and
movies. Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard
safety system in use.  But I assume everyone in the USA knows what
a ladder is.



On 5/19/2021 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" 

*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock
climbing walls.

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when
there was a ladder right behind her the entire time.


On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not
sure if that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.

On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Where's the link

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially
free climbing a tower while her hook is strapped
to her chest?

That's going to get some fun Twitter
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Steve Jones 
I was having this talk last week, this is why you NEVER put images in
public of tower work

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely
> didn't setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
>
> I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies.
> Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in
> use.  But I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is.
>
>
>
> On 5/19/2021 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Adam Moffett"  
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
>
> Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls.
>
> .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a
> ladder right behind her the entire time.
>
>
> On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw
>
> She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if that's
> 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.
>
> On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Where's the link
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower
>> while her hook is strapped to her chest?
>>
>> That's going to get some fun Twitter
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Craig House 
I’ve been wondering when someone would bring this up. My wife mentioned it like 
three months ago. She has never climbed anything in her life and she thought it 
looked odd. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2021, at 11:27, Andy Trimmell  wrote:
> 
> 
> That dog wasn’t tied off properly! Horrible commercial!
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 12:24 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
>  
> It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely didn't 
> setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
> 
> I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies. 
> Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in 
> use.  But I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is.
>  
>  
> On 5/19/2021 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
> 
> Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls.
> .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder 
> right behind her the entire time.
>  
> On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw
> 
> She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if that's 100% 
> kosher, but she is tethered at all times. 
> 
> On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Where's the link
>  
> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while 
> her hook is strapped to her chest?
>  
> That's going to get some fun Twitter 
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

2021-05-19 Thread Dave via AF 

Best I have found and includes other useful features such as QOE/QOS

Preseem.com


On 5/8/2021 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is 
using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to 
send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for 
the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site 
Netflow tools.


Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.

Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure 
their pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run 
something for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of 
traffic are.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Andy Trimmell 
That dog wasn’t tied off properly! Horrible commercial!

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

 

It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely didn't 
setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower.



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From: "Adam Moffett" 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies. Maybe 
1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in use.  But 
I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is.

 

 

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From: "Adam Moffett"   
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing 
walls. 

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a 
ladder right behind her the entire time.

 

On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure 
if that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.  

On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Where's the link

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially 
free climbing a tower while her hook is strapped to her chest? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Mike Hammett 
It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely didn't 
setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower. 




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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial 


I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies. Maybe 
1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in use. But I 
assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is. 




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https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw 




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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial 


Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls. 

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder 
right behind her the entire time. 


On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: 


This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw 

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time. Not sure if that's 100% 
kosher, but she is tethered at all times. 


On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: 



Where's the link 


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Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while her 
hook is strapped to her chest? 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Adam Moffett 
I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and 
movies. Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety 
system in use.  But I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is.




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*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls.

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a 
ladder right behind her the entire time.



On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if
that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.

On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Where's the link

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free
climbing a tower while her hook is strapped to her chest?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Mike Hammett 
https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw 




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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial 


Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls. 

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder 
right behind her the entire time. 


On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: 


This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw 

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time. Not sure if that's 100% 
kosher, but she is tethered at all times. 


On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: 



Where's the link 


On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while her 
hook is strapped to her chest? 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
I had the same thought. 

There are several aspects to this that make you wonder. Like (1)
  someone had to climb conventionally to put the tether in place (2)
  most toweres that have a ladder also have a safety cable installed
  (3) what's with the desk and person sitting at it? (4) why isn't
  the tether installed at the top of the ladder instead of off at an
  angle and wrapped around the leg?

I could go on and on.

bp

On 5/19/2021 9:04 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock
climbing walls. 
  
  .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there
was a ladder right behind her the entire time.
  
  
  On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke
wrote:
  
  

This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure
if that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.  

On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime
  Solorza wrote:


  Where's the link
  
  
On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23
  AM Steve Jones 
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  Anybody see this yet? With the lady
essentially free climbing a tower while her hook is
strapped to her chest?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Adam Moffett 

Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls.

.I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a 
ladder right behind her the entire time.



On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if 
that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.


On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Where's the link

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a
tower while her hook is strapped to her chest?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
How in the world would they move that from one leg to the other or go
through the weird roof in the middle of the tower?

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:55 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw
>
> She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if that's
> 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.
>
> On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Where's the link
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower
>> while her hook is strapped to her chest?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Nate Burke 

This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw

She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if that's 
100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times.


On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Where's the link

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a
tower while her hook is strapped to her chest?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Where's the link

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower
> while her hook is strapped to her chest?
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Re: [AFMUG] http://G.fast or http://G.hn for MDUs with older wiring

2021-05-19 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
We had better experience with Positron .HN


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From: AF  on behalf of Brough Turner 

Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] http://G.fast or http://G.hn for MDUs with older wiring
We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most of 
these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor) into 
each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2 gear 
over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after such 
buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet has 
discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only spare DSLAM, 
so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to obtain spares to 
keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).

I have some G.hn experience. Back in 2017, we did a demonstration 
project with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:
   
http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66 blocks, 
i.e. 1970s(?) wiring. As we connected customers, the results got worse and 
worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the end, 
results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our Planet 
VDSL2 gear, but not much. One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM (UbiQuoss 
U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line. This compares with 
G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables. 
Talking to a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation, I 
got the impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have Cat3 
cabling, not 25-pair bundles. In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with 
G.hn.

The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better 
crosstalk protection, for example this:
   
http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
but I have no experience as yet.

If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
Adtran
Calix
I know Robert and have talked with him recently. But I don't have any 
experience with any G.fast equipment.

If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to 
hear about the setup and your experience.


Thanks,
Brough

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[AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

2021-05-19 Thread Steve Jones 
Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while
her hook is strapped to her chest?

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving from cnMaestro Cloud to onPrem

2021-05-19 Thread Nate Burke 
I'd hate to loose the historical data, but I also have MRTG and Sonar 
running monitoring, so it's not a huge deal.  My driving motivation for 
having to move is loading the STA Firmware in.  I had the Boss check 
with Cambium when he was at WISPA in Dallas, and they assured him that 
cloud cnMaestro could do it, and Cambium support says the same thing, 
but so far nobody has been able to figure out how to get the firmware 
into the Cloud.  I have a feeling that the firmware will only work with 
an on Prem cnMaestro.


When I initially brought up cnMaestro, I used SNMP to point them all to 
the cloud, so moving them shouldn't be a big deal.


On 5/19/2021 8:25 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Moving the historical data seems like a nightmare. I'd just use snmp 
to change the CNM credentials - I did it ages ago this way: 
http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42


I'm using the VM on ESXi, so capacity/devices really isn't a concern 
for the hardware.


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On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


Anyone converted from the Cloud to on premise for cnMaestro?  I
haven't
done any digging around the forums yet.

I see the C4000 is out, but for $2300, I expect it to be able to
handle
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving from cnMaestro Cloud to onPrem

2021-05-19 Thread Steve Jones 
There was a thread about this on the community forum.

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 8:47 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thread jacking.  Anyone else using on-prem have an issue with devices
> nesting correctly?  eg CnPilot nesting under the 450SM.  It randomly works
> and there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it when it doesn't.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:26 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Moving the historical data seems like a nightmare.  I'd just use snmp to
>> change the CNM credentials - I did it ages ago this way:
>> http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42
>>
>> I'm using the VM on ESXi, so capacity/devices really isn't a concern for
>> the hardware.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone converted from the Cloud to on premise for cnMaestro?  I haven't
>>> done any digging around the forums yet.
>>>
>>> I see the C4000 is out, but for $2300, I expect it to be able to handle
>>> more than 50 devices.
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 36, Issue 113

2021-05-19 Thread Ryan McAfee 
There is also Positron
https://www.positronaccess.com/

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> We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most of
> these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor) into
> each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2
> gear over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after
> such buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet
> has discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only
> spare DSLAM, so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to
> obtain spares to keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
>
> I have some G.hn experience.  Back in 2017, we did a demonstration
> project with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:
>
>
> http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
> The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66 blocks,
> i.e. 1970s(?) wiring.  As we connected customers, the results got worse and
> worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the
> end, results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our
> Planet VDSL2 gear, but not much.  One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM
> (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line.  This compares
> with G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables.  Talking to
> a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation, I got the
> impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have Cat3
> cabling, not 25-pair bundles.  In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with
> G.hn.
>
> The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection,
> for example this:
>
>
> http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
> but I have no experience as yet.
>
> If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
>
> Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
> Adtran
> Calix
>
> I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any
> experience with any G.fast equipment.
>
> If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
> the setup and your experience.
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
>
> Brough Turner
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving from cnMaestro Cloud to onPrem

2021-05-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
Do you have a customer router between the 450sm and cnpilot?  It needs to
see each other (layer 2).  Never had the problem myself.

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:47 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thread jacking.  Anyone else using on-prem have an issue with devices
> nesting correctly?  eg CnPilot nesting under the 450SM.  It randomly works
> and there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it when it doesn't.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:26 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Moving the historical data seems like a nightmare.  I'd just use snmp to
>> change the CNM credentials - I did it ages ago this way:
>> http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42
>>
>> I'm using the VM on ESXi, so capacity/devices really isn't a concern for
>> the hardware.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone converted from the Cloud to on premise for cnMaestro?  I haven't
>>> done any digging around the forums yet.
>>>
>>> I see the C4000 is out, but for $2300, I expect it to be able to handle
>>> more than 50 devices.
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[AFMUG] G.fast or G.hn for MDUs with older wiring

2021-05-19 Thread Brough Turner 
We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most of
these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor) into
each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2
gear over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after
such buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet
has discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only
spare DSLAM, so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to
obtain spares to keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).

I have some G.hn experience.  Back in 2017, we did a demonstration
project with Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:

http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/
The building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66 blocks,
i.e. 1970s(?) wiring.  As we connected customers, the results got worse and
worse, presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the
end, results were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our
Planet VDSL2 gear, but not much.  One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM
(UbiQuoss U4224BU) had individual RJ11 jacks for each line.  This compares
with G.fast equipment that seems to connect via 25-pair cables.  Talking to
a KT engineer who came to Boston to help with the installation, I got the
impression that most MDUs where this gear is used in Korea have Cat3
cabling, not 25-pair bundles.  In any event, I'm a bit discouraged with
G.hn.

The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection,
for example this:

http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdf
but I have no experience as yet.

If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:

Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)
Adtran
Calix

I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any
experience with any G.fast equipment.

If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about
the setup and your experience.

Thanks,
Brough

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving from cnMaestro Cloud to onPrem

2021-05-19 Thread Carl Peterson 
Thread jacking.  Anyone else using on-prem have an issue with devices
nesting correctly?  eg CnPilot nesting under the 450SM.  It randomly works
and there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it when it doesn't.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:26 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Moving the historical data seems like a nightmare.  I'd just use snmp to
> change the CNM credentials - I did it ages ago this way:
> http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42
>
> I'm using the VM on ESXi, so capacity/devices really isn't a concern for
> the hardware.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Anyone converted from the Cloud to on premise for cnMaestro?  I haven't
>> done any digging around the forums yet.
>>
>> I see the C4000 is out, but for $2300, I expect it to be able to handle
>> more than 50 devices.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving from cnMaestro Cloud to onPrem

2021-05-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
Moving the historical data seems like a nightmare.  I'd just use snmp to
change the CNM credentials - I did it ages ago this way:
http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42

I'm using the VM on ESXi, so capacity/devices really isn't a concern for
the hardware.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Anyone converted from the Cloud to on premise for cnMaestro?  I haven't
> done any digging around the forums yet.
>
> I see the C4000 is out, but for $2300, I expect it to be able to handle
> more than 50 devices.
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