Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Trey Scarborough]

for that type of project in that area I would say you are probably 
looking at $20 a ft mainly do to it being a small gig so your pricing 
will be  higher. If you had several Jobs like this you may be able to 
get  the pricing down some, or you catch it being close to other work 
they have.


On 12/22/22 9:23 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:


What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two 
SDR11 ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  
All materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.


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Re: [AFMUG] MUX Monitor port

[Trey Scarborough]

typically unless you have a roadm or something that will be causing the 
individual channels to change or you can remotely attenuate them a 
permanently installed monitor isn't necessary. If its just a static 
filters at each end I would recommend just purchasing a channel checker 
or simple OSA.


channel checker like this
https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/jdsu-channel-checker.html

OSA I would recommend picking up a used JDSU 6000 and a OSA-110M they 
can be picked up for descent prices.


https://www.trsrentelco.com/products/viavi-solutions-inc-osa-110m


On 12/5/22 10:29 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


Well they’re certainly not giving those away.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
*Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2022 11:20 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MUX Monitor port

If you find something that is fairly cheap let me know as we have a 
few 50-80KM runs that could use one on each side.   You are looking at 
something like this  - https://www.fs.com/products/71586.html


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com 

*Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2022 8:57 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >

*Subject:* [AFMUG] MUX Monitor port

Fiber multiplexers usually have a monitor port and 1%-5% of the light 
is sent to the monitor port so you can know the status of each wave.


That’s all well and good, but what device can I plug into the monitor 
port if I actually want to monitor them?  I have an OPM of course, but 
is there a network managed, SNMP capable device that I can get for this?


It must exist, but my Google Fu is not working.


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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[dmmoffett]

We can get drop cable plowed by a reputable, insured contractor for $3.50 on a 
good day, but OSP cable in a duct is a different story.

 

To get under $3.50 we’d be dealing with a one-man band moonlighting as an 
excavator.

 

In NY there’s more work than there are contractors to do it so that may have 
something to do with the prices.

  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 3:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 

I wish I could get that for plowing.  Normally it is in the $4.50 range 
assuming wide open range.  I have seen it as low as $1.50.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:33 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 

The highest I saw was $50/ft.

 

$6-8 sounds like plowing prices. I’d expect at least $15/ft for HDD.  Whoever’s 
doing it for $6-8/ft don’t lose that guy’s number.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 

That varies greatly.  Somewhere between $6-8/ft here in central Texas rural 
roads and rural subdivisions.  Anywhere with more obstructions will cost 
significantly more due to the effort to avoid other utilities.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 




What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I wish I could get that for plowing.  Normally it is in the $4.50 range 
assuming wide open range.  I have seen it as low as $1.50.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 1:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

The highest I saw was $50/ft.

 

$6-8 sounds like plowing prices. I’d expect at least $15/ft for HDD.  Whoever’s 
doing it for $6-8/ft don’t lose that guy’s number.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 

That varies greatly.  Somewhere between $6-8/ft here in central Texas rural 
roads and rural subdivisions.  Anywhere with more obstructions will cost 
significantly more due to the effort to avoid other utilities.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 




What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[dmmoffett]

The highest I saw was $50/ft.

 

$6-8 sounds like plowing prices. I’d expect at least $15/ft for HDD.  Whoever’s 
doing it for $6-8/ft don’t lose that guy’s number.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 

That varies greatly.  Somewhere between $6-8/ft here in central Texas rural 
roads and rural subdivisions.  Anywhere with more obstructions will cost 
significantly more due to the effort to avoid other utilities.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 




What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

 

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[AFMUG] West TX WISP

[Craig House]

I may have a project in W Texas around Odessa / Midland coming up in late Feb/ 
Early March.   Any Wisp guys in the group in that area that might be interested 
in helping?  Hit me offlist.

Craig

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I always had a rock adder, and a minimum of $2500 for repeated attempts.
Mobilization expense as well.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

$7 for non rock (in town, out of town, short shot, long shot) 
$100 for rock.  Had a handful of this with creek beds

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:57 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  I'm paying $15 and supplying all duct, trace, and mule tape.  Seems high but 
it is a rush project and other utilities are tight in some areas.  Getting the 
project done on time is important so I wasn't as concerned with the cost.  Just 
wondering what I should be looking for for ongoing work.  

  On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:31 AM Aeron Wireless  wrote:

I think this past summer we paid $11/ft in Michigan. We negotiated that 
price winter of '2. I'm sure it's higher now. 
HDD drill plus 2x 1.24" SDR11 with tracer pull back. We supplied all 
materials.

sent from my android phone

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:


  What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two 
SDR11 ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All 
materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Josh Luthman]

$7 for non rock (in town, out of town, short shot, long shot)
$100 for rock.  Had a handful of this with creek beds

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:57 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'm paying $15 and supplying all duct, trace, and mule tape.  Seems high
> but it is a rush project and other utilities are tight in some areas.
> Getting the project done on time is important so I wasn't as concerned with
> the cost.  Just wondering what I should be looking for for ongoing work.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:31 AM Aeron Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>> I think this past summer we paid $11/ft in Michigan. We negotiated that
>> price winter of '2. I'm sure it's higher now.
>> HDD drill plus 2x 1.24" SDR11 with tracer pull back. We supplied all
>> materials.
>>
>> sent from my android phone
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two
>>> SDR11 ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All
>>> materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Chuck McCown via AF]

When I was drilling $15 was the lowest I would take.  I got $23 for some jobs.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

I'm paying $15 and supplying all duct, trace, and mule tape.  Seems high but it 
is a rush project and other utilities are tight in some areas.  Getting the 
project done on time is important so I wasn't as concerned with the cost.  Just 
wondering what I should be looking for for ongoing work.  

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:31 AM Aeron Wireless  wrote:

  I think this past summer we paid $11/ft in Michigan. We negotiated that price 
winter of '2. I'm sure it's higher now. 
  HDD drill plus 2x 1.24" SDR11 with tracer pull back. We supplied all 
materials.

  sent from my android phone

  On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:


What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Chuck McCown via AF]

You cannot plow or microtrench?

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

That varies greatly.  Somewhere between $6-8/ft here in central Texas rural 
roads and rural subdivisions.  Anywhere with more obstructions will cost 
significantly more due to the effort to avoid other utilities.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

 




What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Carl Peterson]

I'm paying $15 and supplying all duct, trace, and mule tape.  Seems high
but it is a rush project and other utilities are tight in some areas.
Getting the project done on time is important so I wasn't as concerned with
the cost.  Just wondering what I should be looking for for ongoing work.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:31 AM Aeron Wireless 
wrote:

> I think this past summer we paid $11/ft in Michigan. We negotiated that
> price winter of '2. I'm sure it's higher now.
> HDD drill plus 2x 1.24" SDR11 with tracer pull back. We supplied all
> materials.
>
> sent from my android phone
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two
>> SDR11 ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All
>> materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Aeron Wireless]

I think this past summer we paid $11/ft in Michigan. We negotiated that
price winter of '2. I'm sure it's higher now.
HDD drill plus 2x 1.24" SDR11 with tracer pull back. We supplied all
materials.

sent from my android phone

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11
> ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All
> materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] YouTube

[Josh Luthman]

It's always the new guy...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 7:55 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Tracked it down to the IX.  Got the IX guys on the phone.  Did a few
> packet captures to figure out exact IPs and got the BGP paths.  Once I got
> that to the IX guys they figured out a new comer to the IX had a bad BGP
> configuration.  They took them off the IX and everything works normally.
>
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>
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> Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 6:33:11 PM, you wrote:
>
> CMvA> I am trying to upload a video and it is dreadfully slow.  Never seen
> it this slow before.  5mbps and we have 10G on this computer.
>
> CMvA> -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
> CMvA> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 2:33 PM
> CMvA> To: af@af.afmug.com
> CMvA> Subject: [AFMUG] YouTube
>
> CMvA> Anyone else seeing any YouTube issues.  YouTube TV see to be slow to
> load a channel, once channel is loaded everything is fine.  YouTube on
> computer seems hang at ad loading, but then loads fine and plays normally.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

That varies greatly.  Somewhere between $6-8/ft here in central Texas rural 
roads and rural subdivisions.  Anywhere with more obstructions will cost 
significantly more due to the effort to avoid other utilities.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] HDD per foot cost


What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11 
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All materials 
provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT pie

[Josh Luthman]

Pee Can

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:24 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> With epipen for me.   Or at least a big dose of antihistamine.
>
> And it's pee con.  Or more "pee cahn",
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 4:17 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> With chocolate chips?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2022 4:24 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT pie
>>
>>
>>
>> Ding ding ding
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2022 2:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT pie
>>
>>
>>
>> Puh Con
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2022 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT pie
>>
>>
>>
>> Puh Can
>>
>> Puh Con
>>
>> Pee Can
>>
>> Pee Con
>>
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] HDD per foot cost

[Carl Peterson]

What is the going rate per foot for HDD drilling and pullback of two SDR11
ducts and a trace wire?  Very sandy soil in the FL panhandle.  All
materials provided?  Around 4-5K' split into three or four runs.

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