Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[dmmoffett]

What the doctor told me was if the drug was classified as a controlled 
substance (which amphetamines are, including lisdexamphetamine/Vyvanse) then 
there’s a quota applied to geographic areas.  The distributors are only allowed 
to sell x amount in a given region, and they parse the quota out to the 
different pharmacies.  Apparently this was some change implemented to combat 
opioid abuse.  He suggested try a rural pharmacy because they’re less likely to 
use up their quota.  So far that has worked out for me.  

 

If you were popping opioids it’s probably harder to maintain that habit now, 
but everyone who was using their pills as prescribed is collateral damage.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2024 2:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

People who take Vyvanse or even the generic equivalent probably wish they could 
make their own.  It ain’t cheap.

 

I thought we were now out of the 6 months exclusivity that the first generic 
gets, but the price hasn’t come down, and there are still shortages.  
Supposedly demand was up because people without any particular condition take 
it as kind of a performance enhancing drug.

 

If it works for someone’s ADHD symptoms, then you don’t want to be unable to 
refill your prescription and go back to feeling like a 4th of July fireworks 
show inside your brain.  Oddly, people with ADHD can also be somewhat autistic, 
they can go down a rabbit hole focusing on one thing for hours, but they can’t 
multitask because of all the mental distractions.  SQUIRREL!

 

Sometimes I suspect social media is giving everybody the equivalent of ADHD.  I 
have 5 things to do today.  Oh, look, Facebook.  Tiktok.  Texts.  Now where did 
the day go?

 

It makes me feel like a drug dealer selling Internet.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.  My 
focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more 
quickly.

 

ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his 
mother does.  The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s a 
survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures of 
our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a settled 
one.  The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each 
population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the settled population 
the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and the adults were less 
well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes 
were more well nourished.  

 

We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m saying in 
my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good.  

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a 
prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and 
it's not like he's a meth head.

That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the 
workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him 
operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree.

Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs" 
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the employee 
until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I 
wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not impaired and 
have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time.

On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

My google-foo says it can be:

Kevin
Ken
Gary
Terry

but I like Darren too.

 

bp


On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

Also CPE observation time is 3 minutes...

On 5/6/24 1:10 PM, Robert wrote:
If you look at the orbits the density of the non-polar paths get 
higher at higher latitudes so when there were only 200-500 sats in 
orbit, you got a lot more sat "hits" looking farther north.   The pass 
off time from one sat to another is much lower than you might expect 
when the sat is actually visible for 4-10 minutes in the 100 degree 
arc that the CPE observes.  On the order of 1-3 minutes pass-off 
time.    Now that they are at 5->10K sats you can look anywhere and 
get massive number of hits in that 1-3 minutes. They didn't start 
polar orbits until about a year ago to hit Alaska and higher 
latitudes.   They needed the cross sat relays to work before they 
could reach decent ground stations from that north/south.   Looking 
north doesn't help anymore except to optimize avoiding the Clark orbits.


On 5/6/24 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I presumed they were in polar orbits.
Google shows a bunch of criss cross inclined orbits.
I don’t see how looking in the northern direction would help.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the 
understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter.   I would be 
pretty sure she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen 
others say the same problem she mentioned about Weboost but both 
times it was proven to be a bad setup.   ( I have weboost but don't 
need it )


Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are 
using the same frequencies.  So they use the northern hemisphere.   
If you aren't on the equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the 
Clark Belt no problemo.  Beam steering decides the pointing and tilt 
is just a hangover of the earlier constraints..


Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to 
use a higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get 
more density at the northern inclinations of the orbits.   That is 
going away rapidly.   I flat mount my dish in the shower bubble of my 
RV for mobile use.   It shows no obstructions when not under an 
actual obstruction.   It now takes a pretty high/close cliff to 
obstruct the dish and we are seeing the latest s/w doing much better 
with a smaller sky area and probably 15 degrees higher in latitude 
than in the past.  Some people have seen their dishes pointing east 
and west and, amazingly, south.  I suspect that was because Starlink 
was testing the relay system on them. The latest version of the dish 
is supposed to support dual beams from what people are reading in the 
software analysis.  It comes with a fixed stand that only tilts it 
about 15-20 degrees off vertical.  The understanding is that the tilt 
is now just for snow/water shedding.



Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users.  It puts 
the mobile users behind the fixed users for b/w.  _Not_ throttled.   
Lower speeds during 6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks 
experience it and Starlink has loaded on the customers way heavier 
than we probably would.


It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink.   
I've seen no issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain. Granted that is rare in N. 
NV.  But they are transmitting with a lot of power in both 
directions.   I got my first solid disconnection during a massive 
storm in TX when we were there for the eclipse.   That was enough 
rain that it was piling up in the street.  I didn't check my weather 
station as we were headed for a storm shelter.


On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:

  * Starlink needs a _Northern_ sky exposure
  * Starlink has busy hour throttling
  * Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had
not heard that before)

I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good 
stuff.  But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she 
was paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and 
promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long 
enough for the bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what 
she is promoting, it's now $160/month


On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the 
service with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage 
became too high in just over a ye

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

oops I misremembered...   15 SECOND pass-off time...

On 5/6/24 1:10 PM, Robert wrote:
If you look at the orbits the density of the non-polar paths get 
higher at higher latitudes so when there were only 200-500 sats in 
orbit, you got a lot more sat "hits" looking farther north.   The pass 
off time from one sat to another is much lower than you might expect 
when the sat is actually visible for 4-10 minutes in the 100 degree 
arc that the CPE observes.  On the order of 1-3 minutes pass-off 
time.    Now that they are at 5->10K sats you can look anywhere and 
get massive number of hits in that 1-3 minutes. They didn't start 
polar orbits until about a year ago to hit Alaska and higher 
latitudes.   They needed the cross sat relays to work before they 
could reach decent ground stations from that north/south.   Looking 
north doesn't help anymore except to optimize avoiding the Clark orbits.


On 5/6/24 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I presumed they were in polar orbits.
Google shows a bunch of criss cross inclined orbits.
I don’t see how looking in the northern direction would help.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the 
understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter.   I would be 
pretty sure she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen 
others say the same problem she mentioned about Weboost but both 
times it was proven to be a bad setup.   ( I have weboost but don't 
need it )


Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are 
using the same frequencies.  So they use the northern hemisphere.   
If you aren't on the equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the 
Clark Belt no problemo.  Beam steering decides the pointing and tilt 
is just a hangover of the earlier constraints..


Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to 
use a higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get 
more density at the northern inclinations of the orbits.   That is 
going away rapidly.   I flat mount my dish in the shower bubble of my 
RV for mobile use.   It shows no obstructions when not under an 
actual obstruction.   It now takes a pretty high/close cliff to 
obstruct the dish and we are seeing the latest s/w doing much better 
with a smaller sky area and probably 15 degrees higher in latitude 
than in the past.  Some people have seen their dishes pointing east 
and west and, amazingly, south.  I suspect that was because Starlink 
was testing the relay system on them. The latest version of the dish 
is supposed to support dual beams from what people are reading in the 
software analysis.  It comes with a fixed stand that only tilts it 
about 15-20 degrees off vertical.  The understanding is that the tilt 
is now just for snow/water shedding.



Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users.  It puts 
the mobile users behind the fixed users for b/w.  _Not_ throttled.   
Lower speeds during 6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks 
experience it and Starlink has loaded on the customers way heavier 
than we probably would.


It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink.   
I've seen no issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain. Granted that is rare in N. 
NV.  But they are transmitting with a lot of power in both 
directions.   I got my first solid disconnection during a massive 
storm in TX when we were there for the eclipse.   That was enough 
rain that it was piling up in the street.  I didn't check my weather 
station as we were headed for a storm shelter.


On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:

  * Starlink needs a _Northern_ sky exposure
  * Starlink has busy hour throttling
  * Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had
not heard that before)

I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good 
stuff.  But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she 
was paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and 
promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long 
enough for the bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what 
she is promoting, it's now $160/month


On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the 
service with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage 
became too high in jus

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

If you look at the orbits the density of the non-polar paths get higher 
at higher latitudes so when there were only 200-500 sats in orbit, you 
got a lot more sat "hits" looking farther north.   The pass off time 
from one sat to another is much lower than you might expect when the sat 
is actually visible for 4-10 minutes in the 100 degree arc that the CPE 
observes.  On the order of 1-3 minutes pass-off time.    Now that they 
are at 5->10K sats you can look anywhere and get massive number of hits 
in that 1-3 minutes.   They didn't start polar orbits until about a year 
ago to hit Alaska and higher latitudes.   They needed the cross sat 
relays to work before they could reach decent ground stations from that 
north/south. Looking north doesn't help anymore except to optimize 
avoiding the Clark orbits.


On 5/6/24 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I presumed they were in polar orbits.
Google shows a bunch of criss cross inclined orbits.
I don’t see how looking in the northern direction would help.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the 
understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter.   I would be 
pretty sure she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen 
others say the same problem she mentioned about Weboost but both times 
it was proven to be a bad setup.   ( I have weboost but don't need it )


Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are using 
the same frequencies.  So they use the northern hemisphere.   If you 
aren't on the equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the Clark Belt 
no problemo. Beam steering decides the pointing and tilt is just a 
hangover of the earlier constraints..


Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to 
use a higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get 
more density at the northern inclinations of the orbits.   That is 
going away rapidly.   I flat mount my dish in the shower bubble of my 
RV for mobile use.   It shows no obstructions when not under an actual 
obstruction.   It now takes a pretty high/close cliff to obstruct the 
dish and we are seeing the latest s/w doing much better with a smaller 
sky area and probably 15 degrees higher in latitude than in the past.  
Some people have seen their dishes pointing east and west and, 
amazingly, south.  I suspect that was because Starlink was testing the 
relay system on them. The latest version of the dish is supposed to 
support dual beams from what people are reading in the software 
analysis.  It comes with a fixed stand that only tilts it about 15-20 
degrees off vertical.  The understanding is that the tilt is now just 
for snow/water shedding.



Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users. It puts the 
mobile users behind the fixed users for b/w. _Not_ throttled.   Lower 
speeds during 6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks experience 
it and Starlink has loaded on the customers way heavier than we 
probably would.


It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink.   I've 
seen no issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain. Granted that is rare in N. NV.  
But they are transmitting with a lot of power in both directions.   I 
got my first solid disconnection during a massive storm in TX when we 
were there for the eclipse.   That was enough rain that it was piling 
up in the street.  I didn't check my weather station as we were headed 
for a storm shelter.


On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:

  * Starlink needs a _Northern_ sky exposure
  * Starlink has busy hour throttling
  * Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had
not heard that before)

I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good 
stuff.  But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she 
was paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and 
promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long 
enough for the bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what 
she is promoting, it's now $160/month


On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the 
service with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became 
too high in just over a year.


On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDya

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I presumed they were in polar orbits.  
Google shows a bunch of criss cross inclined orbits.  
I don’t see how looking in the northern direction would help.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the 
understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter.   I would be pretty sure 
she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen others say the same 
problem she mentioned about Weboost but both times it was proven to be a bad 
setup.   ( I have weboost but don't need it )  

Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are using the same 
frequencies.  So they use the northern hemisphere.   If you aren't on the 
equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the Clark Belt no problemo.  Beam 
steering decides the pointing and tilt is just a hangover of the earlier 
constraints..  

Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to use a 
higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get more density at 
the northern inclinations of the orbits.   That is going away rapidly.   I flat 
mount my dish in the shower bubble of my RV for mobile use.   It shows no 
obstructions when not under an actual obstruction.   It now takes a pretty 
high/close cliff to obstruct the dish and we are seeing the latest s/w doing 
much better with a smaller sky area and probably 15 degrees higher in latitude 
than in the past.  Some people have seen their dishes pointing east and west 
and, amazingly, south.  I suspect that was because Starlink was testing the 
relay system on them.  The latest version of the dish is supposed to support 
dual beams from what people are reading in the software analysis.  It comes 
with a fixed stand that only tilts it about 15-20 degrees off vertical.  The 
understanding is that the tilt is now just for snow/water shedding.   


Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users.  It puts the mobile 
users behind the fixed users for b/w.  _Not_ throttled.   Lower speeds during 
6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks experience it and Starlink has 
loaded on the customers way heavier than we probably would. 

It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink.   I've seen no 
issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain.  Granted that is rare in N. NV.  But they are 
transmitting with a lot of power in both directions.   I got my first solid 
disconnection during a massive storm in TX when we were there for the eclipse.  
 That was enough rain that it was piling up in the street.  I didn't check my 
weather station as we were headed for a storm shelter.   


On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:
a.. Starlink needs a Northern sky exposure 
b.. Starlink has busy hour throttling 
c.. Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had not 
heard that before) 

  I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.  




  From: Robert 
  Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

  I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff.  But 
on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for and in a 
few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.  

  She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted a 
really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the bad to 
come out.  Then claimed innocence...  

  Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people using 
T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what she is 
promoting, it's now $160/month

  On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out if the 
provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and switch.   ATT did 
exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service with mobile users just to 
pull it all away after usage became too high in just over a year.  


  On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY


 


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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

There are a +Lot+ of pissed off people. T-Mobile (Actual employees, not 
resellers ) was showing up at RV shows with their home boxes and taking 
orders with a wink and a nod...  They sold thousands of them that way.   
They were dealing off the bottom of the deck on this one.   "How do you 
know a cell salesperson is lying?"


On 5/6/24 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Excellent point about the new TMHI “Away” plan.  Reminds me of the 
Netflix crackdown on password sharing.


https://tmo.report/2024/04/uh-oh-t-mobile-will-now-enforce-home-internet-address-eligibility/

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 12:59 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good 
stuff.  But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was 
paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


 She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and 
promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long 
enough for the bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


 Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home. If you want to do what she 
is promoting, it's now $160/month


 On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service 
with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became too high 
in just over a year.


On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY




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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the 
understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter.   I would be 
pretty sure she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen 
others say the same problem she mentioned about Weboost but both times 
it was proven to be a bad setup.   ( I have weboost but don't need it )


Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are using 
the same frequencies.  So they use the northern hemisphere.   If you 
aren't on the equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the Clark Belt no 
problemo.  Beam steering decides the pointing and tilt is just a 
hangover of the earlier constraints..


Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to use 
a higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get more 
density at the northern inclinations of the orbits. That is going away 
rapidly.   I flat mount my dish in the shower bubble of my RV for mobile 
use.   It shows no obstructions when not under an actual obstruction.   
It now takes a pretty high/close cliff to obstruct the dish and we are 
seeing the latest s/w doing much better with a smaller sky area and 
probably 15 degrees higher in latitude than in the past.  Some people 
have seen their dishes pointing east and west and, amazingly, south.  I 
suspect that was because Starlink was testing the relay system on them.  
The latest version of the dish is supposed to support dual beams from 
what people are reading in the software analysis.  It comes with a fixed 
stand that only tilts it about 15-20 degrees off vertical.  The 
understanding is that the tilt is now just for snow/water shedding.



Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users.  It puts the 
mobile users behind the fixed users for b/w.  _Not_ throttled.   Lower 
speeds during 6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks experience it 
and Starlink has loaded on the customers way heavier than we probably 
would.


It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink. I've 
seen no issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain.  Granted that is rare in N. NV.  
But they are transmitting with a lot of power in both directions.   I 
got my first solid disconnection during a massive storm in TX when we 
were there for the eclipse.   That was enough rain that it was piling up 
in the street.  I didn't check my weather station as we were headed for 
a storm shelter.


On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:

  * Starlink needs a _Northern_ sky exposure
  * Starlink has busy hour throttling
  * Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had not
heard that before)

I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good 
stuff.  But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was 
paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted 
a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the 
bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home. If you want to do what she 
is promoting, it's now $160/month


On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service 
with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became too high 
in just over a year.


On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY




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Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[Bill Prince]

Sounds like it made a big meth.


bp


On 5/6/2024 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.
*From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much 
higher.  My focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my 
main task more quickly.


ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or 
his mother does. The current thinking is that it’s so widespread 
because it’s a survival adaptation which happens to not always fit 
well into the structures of our modern life.  A study in Kenya 
compared a nomadic population with a settled one.  The genes 
responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each 
population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the settled 
population the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and 
the adults were less well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer 
nomads, the people with ADHD genes were more well nourished.


We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m 
saying in my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me 
good.


-Adam

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My 
son has a prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's 
not impaired, and it's not like he's a meth head.


That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint 
in the workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't 
want him operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would 
probably agree.


Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs"
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the 
employee until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that 
doesn't impair but I wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd 
find someone not impaired and have them do the job.  Put the doper in 
charge of a broom until layoff time.


On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Pot

My google-foo says it can be:

Kevin
Ken
Gary
Terry

but I like Darren too.

bp



On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

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“I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male
Karen, is it Darren?)

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot

I have always had employees that were in rehab.  But never had
anyone using at work before this guy.  He pointed to the fact
he has a pot card for anxiety.  I have a card in my pocket
that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any
employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working.

I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you
not safe to operate equipment.  But this guy had to operate
equipment as part of his job.  I would make an accommodation
for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a
bit impaired but not as an every day thing.

This guy was MAX drama too.  One thing I tell everyone when I
hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama.  Do
not bring your drama to work.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Pot

lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18?AM  wrote:

I think the

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Ken Hohhof]

Excellent point about the new TMHI “Away” plan.  Reminds me of the Netflix 
crackdown on password sharing.

https://tmo.report/2024/04/uh-oh-t-mobile-will-now-enforce-home-internet-address-eligibility/

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 12:59 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

 

I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff.  But on 
the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for and in a few 
cases gotten caught promoting bad products.  

 She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted a 
really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the bad to 
come out.  Then claimed innocence...  

 Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people using 
T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what she is 
promoting, it's now $160/month

 On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out if the 
provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and switch.   ATT did 
exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service with mobile users just to 
pull it all away after usage became too high in just over a year.  

On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[Ken Hohhof]

People who take Vyvanse or even the generic equivalent probably wish they could 
make their own.  It ain’t cheap.

 

I thought we were now out of the 6 months exclusivity that the first generic 
gets, but the price hasn’t come down, and there are still shortages.  
Supposedly demand was up because people without any particular condition take 
it as kind of a performance enhancing drug.

 

If it works for someone’s ADHD symptoms, then you don’t want to be unable to 
refill your prescription and go back to feeling like a 4th of July fireworks 
show inside your brain.  Oddly, people with ADHD can also be somewhat autistic, 
they can go down a rabbit hole focusing on one thing for hours, but they can’t 
multitask because of all the mental distractions.  SQUIRREL!

 

Sometimes I suspect social media is giving everybody the equivalent of ADHD.  I 
have 5 things to do today.  Oh, look, Facebook.  Tiktok.  Texts.  Now where did 
the day go?

 

It makes me feel like a drug dealer selling Internet.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.  My 
focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more 
quickly.

 

ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his 
mother does.  The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s a 
survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures of 
our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a settled 
one.  The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each 
population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the settled population 
the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and the adults were less 
well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes 
were more well nourished.  

 

We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m saying in 
my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good.  

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a 
prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and 
it's not like he's a meth head.

That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the 
workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him 
operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree.

Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs" 
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the employee 
until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I 
wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not impaired and 
have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time.

On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

My google-foo says it can be:

Kevin
Ken
Gary
Terry

but I like Darren too.

 

bp


On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

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“I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it 
Darren?)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I have always had employees that were in rehab.  But never had anyone u

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know:
  a.. Starlink needs a Northern sky exposure 
  b.. Starlink has busy hour throttling 
  c.. Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had not heard 
that before)

I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well.  




From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff.  But on 
the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for and in a few 
cases gotten caught promoting bad products.  

She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted a really 
dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the bad to come out.  
Then claimed innocence...  

Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people using 
T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what she is 
promoting, it's now $160/month

On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out if the 
provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and switch.   ATT did 
exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service with mobile users just to 
pull it all away after usage became too high in just over a year.  


On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY


   





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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Robert]

I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff.  
But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for 
and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products.


 She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted 
a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the 
bad to come out.  Then claimed innocence...


 Well here she was again.  T-Mobile just chomped down on those people 
using T-mobile home service away from home.   If you want to do what she 
is promoting, it's now $160/month


 On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out 
if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and 
switch.   ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service 
with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became too high 
in just over a year.


On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY

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Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[Chuck McCown via AF]

After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.  



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.  My 
focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more 
quickly.

 

ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his 
mother does.  The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s a 
survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures of 
our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a settled 
one.  The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each 
population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the settled population 
the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and the adults were less 
well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes 
were more well nourished.  

 

We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m saying in 
my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good.  

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a 
prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and 
it's not like he's a meth head.

That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the 
workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him 
operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree.

Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs" 
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the employee 
until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I 
wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not impaired and 
have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time.

On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

   

   

   

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

   

  My google-foo says it can be:

  Kevin
  Ken
  Gary
  Terry

  but I like Darren too.

   

bpOn 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

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“I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it 
Darren?)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I have always had employees that were in rehab.  But never had anyone using 
at work before this guy.  He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. 
 I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I 
doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working.  

 

I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to 
operate equipment.  But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job.  
I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that 
left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing.  

 

This guy was MAX drama too.  One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, 
the only thing I really care about is no drama.  Do not bring your drama to 
work.  

 

 

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment

 

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18?AM  wrote:

  I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in 
someone’s work schedule.  

  …..which I would do anyway.  If they’re working on getting straight I 
don’t want to stand in their way.  I don’t know if anyone goes to rehab for pot 
though.  Probably not.

   

  -Ad

[AFMUG] Interesting (to me)

[Chuck McCown via AF]

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Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[dmmoffett]

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.  My
focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more
quickly.

 

ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his
mother does.  The current thinking is that it's so widespread because it's a
survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures
of our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a
settled one.  The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify
who in each population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the
settled population the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and
the adults were less well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the
people with ADHD genes were more well nourished.  

 

We probably shouldn't medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I'm saying
in my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good.  

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son
has a prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not
impaired, and it's not like he's a meth head.

That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in
the workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him
operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably
agree.

Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs" 
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the employee
until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I
wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not impaired and
have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time.

On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

My google-foo says it can be:

Kevin
Ken
Gary
Terry

but I like Darren too.

 

bp


On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

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"I have a card" = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it
Darren?)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I have always had employees that were in rehab.  But never had anyone using
at work before this guy.  He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for
anxiety.  I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky
too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while
working.  

 

I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to
operate equipment.  But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his
job.  I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds
temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing.  

 

This guy was MAX drama too.  One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the
only thing I really care about is no drama.  Do not bring your drama to
work.  

 

 

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment

 

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18?AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone's
work schedule.  

...which I would do anyway.  If they're working on getting straight I don't
want to stand in their way.  I don't know if anyone goes to rehab for pot
though.  Probably not.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2024 5:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

Utah code 26-61a-111(4)..

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

[Dan P via AF]

Not to mention Zayo has a way of adding on tons of random fees so that $700 
floor really is like a 1k floor

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2024 5:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

$700 seems to be Zayo's floor.


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From: "Zach Underwood" mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:27:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic
We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data 
center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 
10km optics.

On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien 
mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases,
it's one of these things where every situation and provider is
different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and
as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they
suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a
datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money.
Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and
a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run
that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices.

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
>
> For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have?
>
> I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, 
> swaps with other providers, etc?
>
> I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start 
> looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths.
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien 
> mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands
>> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM
>> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a
>> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a
>> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands
>> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our
>> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any
>> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss.
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber.  These will 
>> > allow us to build a loop between two points on our network.  We have been 
>> > told we can also break into this fiber within our loop.  I'm guessing when 
>> > we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our 
>> > handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut 
>> > into that fiber.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we 
>> > don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location.  
>> > I was thinking of CWDM.  I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send 
>> > multiple wave lengths down the fiber.  Is there a way for me to break out 
>> > just one wavelength at a hand hole passively?
>> >
>> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole 
>> > and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer.  Is there away for me in 
>> > the hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm.  Put something like a 
>> > 1x2 splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the 
>> > customer site.  Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to 
>> > preserve the loop for that one customer.
>> >
>> > Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in the 
>> > DWDM/CWDM modules?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >  Mark  
>> > mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

[dmmoffett]

This non-profit joint exists due to ARRA funding.  At the time I was annoyed 
that they got money for middle mile that doesn’t serve anybody and we didn’t 
get funding for our wireless project that actually *would* serve people.

 

In hindsight I don’t mind them being there.  We looked at an IRU for 48 fibers 
for one mile to get around a bad make-ready situation.  They said they’d have 
to include a non-recurring charge for an overlash because 48 would consume 
everything they had left on the cable and make all the miles before and after 
that point worthless.  Even with the overlash cost it was an order of magnitude 
cheaper than building it ourselves.  

 

Instead we leased one fiber and we’re building a small POP.  That’s less CapEx 
but more OpEx to maintain another site, and powers higher than me think that’s 
better in this case.  …..and either way having them available saved the day.  

 

I’ve seen much higher quotes for IRU’s and often times, like you said, they’re 
high enough to be comparable to building it yourself.  I think they sell I to 
people who don’t want to own plant, or people who need to execute immediately.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2024 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

 

I remember the first IRU I got quoted.  It amounted to a figure equal to 
building it ourselves.  My first time hearing the term IRU too.  

That was probably 25 years ago.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 2:15 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

 

>From a non-profit middle-mile provider we pay $42/month/fiber-mile for a 
>lease.  Same company does a 20-year IRU for $1000/fiber-mile.  There’s a 
>recurring maintenance fee on the IRU, but it’s peanuts.   I’m betting these 
>prices are near the floor.  I don’t believe there’s a ceiling.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 11:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

 

We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data 
center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 
10km optics. 

 

On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote:

We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases,
it's one of these things where every situation and provider is
different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and
as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they
suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a
datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money.
Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and
a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run
that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices.

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:
>
> For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have?
>
> I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, 
> swaps with other providers, etc?
>
> I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start 
> looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths.
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien   > wrote:
>>
>> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands
>> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM
>> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a
>> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a
>> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands
>> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our
>> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any
>> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss.
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber.  These will 
>> > allow us to build a loop between two points on our network.  We have been 
>> > told we can also break into this fiber within our loop.  I'm guessing when 
>> > we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our 
>> > handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut 
>> > into that fiber.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we 
>> > don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location.  
>> > I was thinking of CWDM.  I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send 
>> > multiple wave lengths down the fiber.  Is there a way for me to break out 
>> > jus