Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ryan Ray]

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.
https://www.selector.ai

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported
for a long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things
like Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is
good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates
if you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect
all your devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter
what you want to report from each device. Get the devices on a network
where your contractor can reach them, and have them build the templates for
you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for
> remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind
> of what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Bash it is!
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS
> needed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
> contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
> down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
> shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

 

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Bash it is!

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  

 

 

 

From: castarritt 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

 

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  

 

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a few servers that need to send error notifications. Trying to keep
Google accepting those notifications was a real struggle, even when using
TLS + SMTP AUTH. They seem to have set up some options recently, but I
moved those to a third-party mail provider before those became an option so
I don't know if they've fixed this.

I'm looking at options for the next firmware update where a purchaser can
either use their own infrastructure or something we provide.  How much of
"something we provide" is free vs paid or even if we go down this path is
still very much up in the air.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
>
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Josh Luthman]

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS
> needed.
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
> contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
> down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
> shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
>> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an
>> MTA rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
>> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
>> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
>> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
>> (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>>
>> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
>> the way this happens varies between devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
>> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
>> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
>> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
>> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
>> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
>> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
>> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet
>> been completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the
>> sitemonitor system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know
>> at this point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to
>> provide some sort of email server resources for those who don't have an
>> email system which will accept email from random devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>>
>> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
>> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
>> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
>> email or text message.
>>
>> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set
>> trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input
>> voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for
>> more than 2 minutes.
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
>> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
>> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>>
>>
>>
>> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>>
>> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
>> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
>> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>>
>> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
>> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>>
>> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
>> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  



From: castarritt 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.



  Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



  Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.



  My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  



  The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.



  On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?



\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  





From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and 
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you 
add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of



On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment 
alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps







  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might 
be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is 
nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bpOn 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest 
has.  



Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?





Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[castarritt]

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
>
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

 

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  

 

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).

 

bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com  
www.microtrench.pro  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

 


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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

If you don’t need to monitor more than 100 “sensors”, PRTG has a free edition.  
Note it runs on Windows (doesn’t have to be Windows Server).

 

https://www.paessler.com/howto-free-network-monitoring

 

100 sensors is not the same as 100 devices.

 

The paid versions are kind of pricey.  Based on number of sensors, and renewing 
software maintenance is 25% of the upfront purchase price annually.  They also 
have a cloud hosted version but it ain’t cheap either.

 

But if you only need to monitor a few things, and have a suitable Windows box 
sitting around, it could be a solution for you.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

As others have mentioned, the existing firmware in the base 3's is basically 
SNMP-polling only.  The Base 3 was built to be able to do all of the other 
items, but the whole covid supply chain pretty much killed R around here for 
a couple years other than keeping product shipping.   It has finally resumed in 
earnest, but we're still working through catching up with upstream underlying 
firmware/RTOS updates at this point so I don't know when any additional 
features will make it out the door orther than a few that we know we need to 
get out asap (SNMP writes, auto-cycling of devices based on ping or voltages, 
etc).

 

So, with the existing firmware/software you can monitor all the things you 
mentioned; you'll just need an SNMP server to do so, and it will be polling 
only.

 

If you want onboard everything, yes, there are other solutions - such as the 
controlbyweb products.   Some do this onboard, some require an external 
cloud-based solution.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).

 

bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com  
www.microtrench.pro  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

 


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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
the way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
hardware just because of code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
which will accept email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
>> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>>
>> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
>> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

As others have mentioned, the existing firmware in the base 3's is
basically SNMP-polling only.  The Base 3 was built to be able to do all of
the other items, but the whole covid supply chain pretty much killed R
around here for a couple years other than keeping product shipping.   It
has finally resumed in earnest, but we're still working through catching up
with upstream underlying firmware/RTOS updates at this point so I don't
know when any additional features will make it out the door orther than a
few that we know we need to get out asap (SNMP writes, auto-cycling of
devices based on ping or voltages, etc).

So, with the existing firmware/software you can monitor all the things you
mentioned; you'll just need an SNMP server to do so, and it will be polling
only.

If you want onboard everything, yes, there are other solutions - such as
the controlbyweb products.   Some do this onboard, some require an external
cloud-based solution.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
>> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>>
>> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
>> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring 
system.Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that 
an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls 
every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by 
email or text message.I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or 
current, then set trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like 
UPS input voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V 
for more than 2 minutes. Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PMTo: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: chuck@go-mtc.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



So how do Forrest?s products let you know of an issue?? Traps?
?
\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.? 
?


?

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
?

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and 
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you 
add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
?

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

  
  
  
  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment 
  alarm contacts.? Circuit breaker alarms.? That is why historically I 
  liked the netguardian product.? It eats everything.? Monitors DC 
  voltages etc.? Temps
  ?
  ?
  
  
  ?
  
  From: Bill Prince 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
  ?
  
  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might 
  be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
  universal (because some implementations are better than others).
  ?bp

  On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  


We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.? In the past I used Netguardians.? Not sure 
what Forrest has.? 
?
Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?
?
?
Best 
Regards,Chuck McCownMcCown Technology Corporation 8401 N 
Commerce DrLake Point, Utah 84074801-250-9503 Office435-830-4306 
Cellwww.mccowntech.comwww.microtrench.prowww.terabitnetworks.com
 
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Thanks, I am going to take a look at the 408 ControlByWeb unit.  
It would get us there.  


From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: TJ Trout ; Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Chuck, the PacketFlux products are great for many use cases but I'm not sure 
this is one of them as the non-GPS-sync built in functionality in PF units is 
very basic.

Look at the ControlByWeb products, amusingly their location in Nibley UT is not 
far from you. I think their X-408 is cost effective at $250 and with 8 digital 
inputs and e-mail notifications etc. probably would serve this case well.

There is also the Ethertek RMS-100, RMS-200 OR RMS-300 or the Tycon 
TPDIN-monitor-web3 series.



On Wed, May 8, 2024, 2:24 p.m. Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need 
contact closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not sure 
the differences in all his products.  Email notification would probably be the 
best for me.  

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
  To: Josh Luthman 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe 
they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might 
be an option  

  https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/


  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure 
out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I 
though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

  We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter 
fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the 
generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest 
has.  

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Colin Stanners]

Chuck, the PacketFlux products are great for many use cases but I'm not
sure this is one of them as the non-GPS-sync built in functionality in PF
units is very basic.

Look at the ControlByWeb products, amusingly their location in Nibley UT is
not far from you. I think their X-408 is cost effective at $250 and with 8
digital inputs and e-mail notifications etc. probably would serve this case
well.

There is also the Ethertek RMS-100, RMS-200 OR RMS-300 or the Tycon
TPDIN-monitor-web3 series.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, 2:24 p.m. Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need
> contact closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not
> sure the differences in all his products.  Email notification would
> probably be the best for me.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe
> they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this
> might be an option
>
> https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
>> out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
>> software works better in this situation.
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
>>> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
>>> system.
>>>
>>> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter
>>> fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
>>> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>>
>>> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a
>>> box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are
>>> cloud solutions as well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts
 in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what
 Forrest has.

 Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more
 modern stuff out there we should be looking at?


 Best Regards,
 Chuck McCown

 McCown Technology Corporation
 8401 N Commerce Dr
 Lake Point, Utah 84074
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 435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps



  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp
On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

 


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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[TJ Trout]

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need contact 
closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not sure the 
differences in all his products.  Email notification would probably be the best 
for me.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
To: Josh Luthman 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe they 
have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might be 
an option  

https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/


On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman  wrote:

  What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure out 
if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

  On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I 
though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault 
so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator 
to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps



From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp
On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one 
of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

   



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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[TJ Trout]

I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe
they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this
might be an option

https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
> out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
> software works better in this situation.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
>> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
>> system.
>>
>> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter
>> fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
>> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>>
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
>> with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
>> solutions as well.
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>>> has.
>>>
>>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more
>>> modern stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Chuck McCown
>>>
>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>>> 801-250-9503 Office
>>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>>> www.mccowntech.com
>>> www.microtrench.pro
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Bill Prince]

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there 
might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.


However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is 
nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what 
Forrest has.
Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

The alarms come off various devices.  They are generally contact closures.  We 
need to route those to something.  Netguardians will take a wide variety of 
discrete inputs, analog voltages, ethernet pings etc.  And it puts out things 
link SNMP traps and even pots dial up pager type of notification.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: TJ Trout ; ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure out 
if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I though 
I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

  We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so 
our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to 
start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Josh Luthman]

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
software works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
> system.
>
> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault
> so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
> with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
> solutions as well.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I though I 
would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so 
our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to 
start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with 
built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions 
as well. 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one 
of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

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What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
solutions as well.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
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[Chuck McCown via AF]

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
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