Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

[Craig House]

I'm here for the help I get from WISP guys and to give help if I can. I 
couldn't care less about your or anyone that opposes your views political 
opinion. If I want that I will go to social media. If you cant be civil to 
those that disagree with you your no better than the hate you espouse the other 
side is full of. I dont need to come here for that divisiveness. If all I'm 
doing is deleting messages then I dont see the point in being here to search 
through the garbage for valuable insights. Please know when to stop (usually 
after 4-5 others ask you nicely to) 




From: "Jan-GAMs"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 2:37:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun 



Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. 
Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it as 
fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up news just 
to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone watch that 
channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known factoid for 
years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until Congress makes laws 
concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present as truth and still have 
a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially 
FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more 
or less ended news reporting facts and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts 
and news have been at odds since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up 
FOX news. Real news may never recover. 
On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: 



Evan and others, 

You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing 
to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way. 

Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google 
search with reputable sources. 

It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the 
conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're 
associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? 

I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party. 
Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and 
empathetic. 

Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried 
for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the 
attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good 
people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to 
her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if 
someone said that to your wife? 

Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't 
agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of 
people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6. 
But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be 
arrested? It's hypocritical. 

Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally. 
That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones 
accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are 
good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them 
out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd 
was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!! 
Sick people with sick minds. 

The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people 
hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote 
republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the 
old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. 

There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human 
rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass 
more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right. 
That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians 
on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party 
tries to do so we end up in the middle. 

Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and 
opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're 
offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could 
list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal 
republican ideas I do agree with. 

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist 
but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of 
an electoral mass of minds a

[AFMUG] West TX WISP

[Craig House]

I may have a project in W Texas around Odessa / Midland coming up in late Feb/ 
Early March.   Any Wisp guys in the group in that area that might be interested 
in helping?  Hit me offlist.

Craig

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Re: [AFMUG] Wisp Tower climber pay scale

[Craig House]

I’m talking about for trained competent tower climbers who work for me. I’m 
legitimately trying to be fair and keep good employees. I have no desire to 
have untrained under qualified employees. I’m no longer a wisp owner although I 
do a lot of work for wisp companies as well as a lot of two-way communications 
work and contract work but nothing cellular. Thanks for all of the input guys

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> On Nov 16, 2022, at 12:38, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you talking tower climber with certification working for a tower company, 
> or just johnny with the harness at the WISP?
> I used to be Johnny with the harness, that was dumb.
> Nobody should be climbing towers without legitimate training, legitimate 
> equipment and legitimate pay. 20-35 is what that should be around here (IL)
> 
> If youre asking for yourself as a climber, if youre not offered certification 
> (or legitimate training) and legitimate equipment, dont worry about pay, just 
> quit, now.
> If youre asking as an owner, I really hope its because you're trying to 
> figure out how to pay for legitimate training and legitimate equipment while 
> offering a reasonable compensation.
> 
> Even with inflation, which will recede, a low man can live in most non cities 
> on 20, and experienced climber can make it on 25-35 for sure. Not talking 
> about "living wage" just reasonable compensation for skilled labor. I think 
> "living wage" according to those who use phrases like "living wage" and "this 
> tastes like cum" no one can even begin to survive on less than 75 dollars an 
> hour
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 12:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Be thankful we're not in Europe. US inflation is high, but in Europe 
>> it's astronomic.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/16/2022 9:28 AM, Craig House wrote:
>> > Read the recent inflation on everything in this country what is the going 
>> > ratr now for tower climbers pay. I did a Google search for the national 
>> > average on tower climbers pay scale and it seems to be around $17-$19 an 
>> > hour but that seems low to me given today’s economy and you can get a job 
>> > flipping burgers for 16
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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[AFMUG] Wisp Tower climber pay scale

[Craig House]

Read the recent inflation on everything in this country what is the going ratr 
now for tower climbers pay. I did a Google search for the national average on 
tower climbers pay scale and it seems to be around $17-$19 an hour but that 
seems low to me given today’s economy and you can get a job flipping burgers 
for 16

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Re: [AFMUG] Hardware between self support tower and 3.5" pipe

[Craig House]

Sitepro1.  Search upc1 or upc2

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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 12:19, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's what I need!!!
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product/double-clamp-pipe-to-pipe-standoff/
>>  
>> From: Chuck McCown via AF
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 9:10 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hardware between self support tower and 3.5" pipe
>>  
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product/pipe-standoff-24-inch/
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 8:05 AM
>> To: AFMUG
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Hardware between self support tower and 3.5" pipe
>>  
>> I need a standoff like M-TOW-D but that won't work because the top needs to 
>> be slightly longer to account for the slope of the tower.  Any suggestions?
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
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Re: [AFMUG] WTB used powerbeam 5ac gen 2 radios only

[Craig House]

It’s not that they’re hard to find I just thought I would give a wisp owner 
buddy a chance to unload some if they had some they didn’t want

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> On Sep 23, 2022, at 17:38, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> 
> ebay has some $50ish
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 2:23 PM Craig House  wrote:
>> If anyone has a couple of good used PB5AC gen 2 radios without dishes they 
>> would like to sell hit me off list.
>> 
>> Craig
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[AFMUG] WTB used powerbeam 5ac gen 2 radios only

[Craig House]

If anyone has a couple of good used PB5AC gen 2 radios without dishes they 
would like to sell hit me off list.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Wireless near Clark MO?

[Craig House]

http://www.airlinkrb.com/

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> On Jun 25, 2022, at 15:34, James Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone know of any providers around Clark MO?  A friend is buying his 
> family’s farm in that area and asked if I had any recommendations.  He said 
> it’s mostly Amish farms but looks like there’s a decent size grain leg within 
> a couple miles of their house. 
>  
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [AFMUG] LENT

[Craig House]

Nope but I 5 used diesel trucks so if I decide to retire they are my retirement 
plan. 

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> On May 25, 2022, at 20:01, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  Have you looked at used pricing?  Last I checked you are not going to save 
> money.
> 
> On 5/25/22 5:40 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a used one... I have 
>> some time to cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger.  This might be the 
>> last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?  
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>  
>> We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in September, which, after 
>> so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have been three months 
>> ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.   Getting into and 
>> out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now being 
>> replaced.   We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I think 
>> the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are willing to 
>> throw money at.   I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the prices for used 
>> stay this high.  $20K over our price would be hard to refuse, with the 
>> likely reduction in lead times in the next year or so as the factories ramp 
>> up.
>> 
>> On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>> Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla, our Model Y is is 
>>> 2 years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s car and I 
>>> still have the gas guzzling 911!
>>>  
>>> Peace out.
 On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
  
 Model 3  They predict Sept to December delivery.  $46K  375 mile range I 
 think.  I really like the cruise control.  It does lane keeping so I 
 really don’t see a use for an autopilot. 
  
 From: Cassidy B. Larson
 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Cc: Chuck McCown
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
  
 Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead time?
  
 
> On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>  
> Sorry, I started it.  
>  
> Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show.  Ken and Lewis 
> used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.  But we do have 
> the OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out.  
>  
> But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need 
> trolling.  Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments.  
>  
> So it is now dead until Lent is over.  Next year’s lent.
>  
> BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in July 
> so I took the leap.  Did a test drive today and really loved it.  I loved 
> the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of 
> enjoyment.  
>  
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] LENT

[Craig House]

What’s wrong with me then. I look at big trucks like I used to look at women.  
What turns my head now is a F650 dully flatbed diesel that gets 7 mpg.  Prices 
of fuel are killing me. Hard to build towers and make money when you feed 200$ 
to the diesel pump every day for just one truck 

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> On May 25, 2022, at 19:46, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a used one... I have 
> some time to cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger.  This might be the 
> last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?  
>  
> From: Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>  
> We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in September, which, after 
> so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have been three months 
> ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.   Getting into and 
> out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now being replaced. 
>   We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I think the full 
> autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are willing to throw money 
> at.   I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the prices for used stay this 
> high.  $20K over our price would be hard to refuse, with the likely reduction 
> in lead times in the next year or so as the factories ramp up.
> 
>> On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>> Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla, our Model Y is is 2 
>> years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s car and I still 
>> have the gas guzzling 911!
>>  
>> Peace out.
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Model 3  They predict Sept to December delivery.  $46K  375 mile range I 
>>> think.  I really like the cruise control.  It does lane keeping so I really 
>>> don’t see a use for an autopilot. 
>>>  
>>> From: Cassidy B. Larson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>>  
>>> Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead time?
>>>  
>>> 
 On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
  
 Sorry, I started it.  
  
 Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show.  Ken and Lewis 
 used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.  But we do have the 
 OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out.  
  
 But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need 
 trolling.  Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments.  
  
 So it is now dead until Lent is over.  Next year’s lent.
  
 BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in July 
 so I took the leap.  Did a test drive today and really loved it.  I loved 
 the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of 
 enjoyment. 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

Liability for gun owners because someone stole their gun? By that same logic if 
someone car jacks your car and kill someone in a head on collision that makes 
you responsible? I’m not At all saying that someone with a gun shouldn’t be 
responsible with it. But I don’t see how you can pin liability on a gun owner 
because someone breaks into a car and steals it in order to use it to cause 
harm.

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> On May 25, 2022, at 14:49, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
> We need strict liability for gun owners.  If you leave a gun in an unlocked 
> car and some kid steals it and accidentally shoots his buddy you should be 
> liable.  All the special legal protections for being stupid with guns need to 
> go.   
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

That’s funny I was just about to post the exact same statistics. You would 
expect any statistics in the United States to be broken down equal to the 
population statistics or very close.  Where there are anomalies from those 
statistics is probably the best place to look for answers. So maybe the 
question that needs to be asked is why are Latinos less likely to participate 
in mass shootings. I’m not being facetious. Is it stronger family ties, do they 
have a better appreciation for what they have,? Maybe somewhere buried in those 
questions are the answers that we’re all looking for

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> On May 25, 2022, at 12:59, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> 57.8% of the US is white.  So proportionally mass shooters are even more 
> likely to be white than the fraction of the population would suggest. 
> But the same goes for blacks.  21% of the mass shooters/ 13% of the population
>  
> For Latinos, it is reversed.  18.7% of the population but only 10% of the 
> mass shooters.
>  
> The solution is more Latinos. 
>  
> From: Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:39 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>  
> 68% white Steve, 68%
>  
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>  
> ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
> You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you opinion 
> and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot
> Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially since it 
> can flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when you arent 
> supposed to, you should get a quick visit from authorities to clear it out
> How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the shootings 
> and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the majority of those? Its 
> always best to start with addressing the big problems first. white 
> supremacists, black supremacists, I dont think there are really any other 
> color supremacists out there. but both are the same card. best to focus on 
> criminals instead of idiots and emotions because CNN told you to.
> How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass shootings under 
> your god obama?
>  
> You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there.
>  
> Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly members, 
> racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of firearms in the 
> lot and in the building. So your whole premise that this is a white problem 
> is just you being a racist bigot. There were little to no mass shootings or 
> school shootings.
>  
> The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that was pretty 
> much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens where it happens 
> because there are no guns there. he was very clear in that. Mass shooters 
> (gang members and the CNN image of the white kid) have one thing in common, 
> theyre cowards. They wont target armed areas, thats why schools and gun free 
> zones are what they like to hit (and the fact that the schools abuse alot of 
> these guys)
>  
> The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death penalty, no 
> accountability for things they like, and then they wonder why the natural 
> progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental illness. victimology 
> and cliche dont get the job done. never has, never will, fiddle and watch burn
>  
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
>> Ban all assault weapons...
>> Normal folks don't need those...
>> Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks..
>> Go after white supremacist groups aggressively  ..
>> Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump
>>  
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> What would you have them do?
>>>  
>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>  
>>> I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun 
>>> supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
>>> Tony Gonzales for one .
>>> I call it as it is...
>>>  
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
 This has been building for decades and multiple administrations.  So why 
 is it always the total fault of Republicans?  Are Democrats so feckless 
 they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes?
 
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> On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with 
> assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
> You don't live near the

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

The last guy I picked up and shoved into a corner in the hall between classes 
ended up being the guy that helped me wire my house when I built. Fist fights 
were a weekly thing for our school too. Your right. After it was all over they 
were friends again. Not so with the girls though 



From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:50:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 

In the 60s and 70s fist fights were a weekly occurrence. Most of the guys I got 
into fights with became good buddies. We actually had boxing equipment in the 
gym locker. Even the kids that got picked on would punch you of you pushed them 
too far. 
From: Craig House 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:43 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
it seems to me the schools have created a lot of these issues themselves. Zero 
tolerance policies for fighting in or out of school. I'm not saying fighting is 
the right solution but when kids are forced to bottle up their emotions and 
cant fight back against someone for being a bully or defend someone else that 
is being bullied, it has to go somewhere. I have zero psych training and dont 
claim to understand a kids mind at all. (I have a 22 YO) But when I was in HS 
in the 80's, I got pushed around some. I learned how much I could deal with and 
when to fight back. I only ever through one punch at a kid. He deserved it and 
the whole class and the substitute (the bullys aunt) teacher saw it. After the 
class and the bully caught his breath and picked himself up off the floor, the 
teacher went back to grading her papers and never said a word. I was never 
bothered by him again. Kids dont have that chance today to defend themselves. 
While that doesn't excuse whats going on with the shootings, it does maybe 
explain it some. Why do kids have so many emotional, dysfunctional, identity 
crisis issues today? It wasn't a thing 30 years or more ago. Sure kids will 
always have some issues, But if they are not allowed to deal with them what 
kind of results do we expect? 

From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:29:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
Guns have always been available. But something has changed with the youth. It 
is a mental health/upbringing issue. Kids that are picked on now turn to more 
and more destructive coping tactics. Either they kill themselves or do this 
kind of crap. This nation will never do a New Zealand cure, so we have to focus 
on the kids. But it seems that the trend is in the opposite direction to me. 
Use the wrong pronoun and the kid feels justified to commit murder. I have a 
simplistic outlook, kids need stern and loving parents that are not afraid of 
corporal punishment and teaching them the value of work. Some of my adult 
children (two of the girls, one is a JR High science teacher) feel now that I 
abused them with this outlook. Oh well. At least none of my kids have shot up 
the place yet. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:11 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
The time for action is now, we must love the forgotten and teach virtues to our 
youth. Prayers are nothing without action. We can and we will a change this 
world. GOD is merciful 
Thurston High School. 
Columbine High School. 
Heritage High School. 
Deming Middle School. 
Fort Gibson Middle School. 
Buell Elementary School. 
Lake Worth Middle School. 
University of Arkansas. 
Junipero Serra High School. 
Santana High School. 
Bishop Neumann High School. 
Pacific Lutheran University. 
Granite Hills High School. 
Lew Wallace High School. 
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. 
Appalachian School of Law. 
Washington High School. 
Conception Abbey. 
Benjamin Tasker Middle School. 
University of Arizona. 
Lincoln High School. 
John McDonogh High School. 
Red Lion Area Junior High School. 
Case Western Reserve University. 
Rocori High School. 
Ballou High School. 
Randallstown High School. 
Bowen High School. 
Red Lake Senior High School. 
Harlan Community Academy High School. 
Campbell County High School. 
Milwee Middle School. 
Roseburg High School. 
Pine Middle School. 
Essex Elementary School. 
Duquesne University. 
Platte Canyon High School. 
Weston High School. 
West Nickel Mines School. 
Joplin Memorial Middle School. 
Henry Foss High School. 
Compton Centennial High School. 
Virginia Tech. 
Success Tech Academy. 
Miami Carol City Senior High School. 
Hamilton High School. 
Louisiana Technical College. 
Mitchell High School. 
E.O. Green Junior High School. 
Northern Illinois University. 
Lakota Middle School. 
Knoxville Central High School. 
Willoughby South High School. 
Henry Ford High Sc

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

it would not have changed a thing. Like I said if you want to look a bit you 
can find someone on FB selling a squirt gun for 800.00 that shoots .223 and 
will meet you in a parking lot behind the mall 



From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:46:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 

The problem in banning assault weapons is defining what is an assault weapon, 
what parts would you ban, and do you also ban CNC milling machines and CAM 
files. Not so easy to even define the weapon. You saw on the one last week how 
easy it was to modify the magazine. 
I have no idea how hard or difficult it is to purchase, but the kid yesterday 
got guns the day he turned 18 so it must be pretty easy. But would a background 
check have done anything in that case? 
Was he a white supremacist leaning kid? Have not read up on it. But how do you 
go against any group for their beliefs? Same law would have to go against the 
Black Panthers and any group that does not like another group. I don’t know how 
you implement such a thing. If you had come precogs floating in a hot tub 
somewhere to prevent the groups from acting, then maybe. But the KKK is still a 
thing. How do you go after them aggressively? What do you actually do? 
Indicting Trump will halt gun violence? Really? I don’t connect the two. Why 
didn’t Bill Clinton do something about it when he had the chance? Or Barak? I 
am expecting that both sides have hopefully had enough now to do something 
meaningful, but with 3D printing so cheap these days, banning any physical 
object is not going to stop a determined person. But I agree, an 18 year old 
kid should not be allowed to walk into a store and walk out with two AR15s that 
easy. Especially when he could not buy a handgun until he was 21. 
Metal detectors at the schools would help. That is an item that will absolutely 
help. More security at the schools will help too. Those are changes that can be 
made today. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:29 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
Ban all assault weapons... 
Normal folks don't need those... 
Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks.. 
Go after white supremacist groups aggressively .. 
Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump 
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote: 



What would you have them do? 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun 
supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit... 
Tony Gonzales for one . 
I call it as it is... 
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why is it 
always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless they cannot do 
anything but whine raise taxes? 

Sent from my iPhone 


BQ_BEGIN
On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with 
assault weapons...they come here for a better life... 
You don't live near the border... 
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist assholes... 
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather of 16 
school age children this hit me very hard... 
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro life my 
ass.. 
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms we 
have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you have nothing but 
illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight very hard to 
ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that turns out. Disarm 
real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. Stop the hugathug 
campaigns and the shootings will be less. 
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You dont 
care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there shootings. 
Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable. 
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other country 
in the world and how much less gun violence they have. 
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every gun 
a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal 
background checks means no more private sales without a background check. Gun 
shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they should. 
If background checks are required for

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

it seems to me the schools have created a lot of these issues themselves. Zero 
tolerance policies for fighting in or out of school. I'm not saying fighting is 
the right solution but when kids are forced to bottle up their emotions and 
cant fight back against someone for being a bully or defend someone else that 
is being bullied, it has to go somewhere. I have zero psych training and dont 
claim to understand a kids mind at all. (I have a 22 YO) But when I was in HS 
in the 80's, I got pushed around some. I learned how much I could deal with and 
when to fight back. I only ever through one punch at a kid. He deserved it and 
the whole class and the substitute (the bullys aunt) teacher saw it. After the 
class and the bully caught his breath and picked himself up off the floor, the 
teacher went back to grading her papers and never said a word. I was never 
bothered by him again. Kids dont have that chance today to defend themselves. 
While that doesn't excuse whats going on with the shootings, it does maybe 
explain it some. Why do kids have so many emotional, dysfunctional, identity 
crisis issues today? It wasn't a thing 30 years or more ago. Sure kids will 
always have some issues, But if they are not allowed to deal with them what 
kind of results do we expect? 



From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:29:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 

Guns have always been available. But something has changed with the youth. It 
is a mental health/upbringing issue. Kids that are picked on now turn to more 
and more destructive coping tactics. Either they kill themselves or do this 
kind of crap. This nation will never do a New Zealand cure, so we have to focus 
on the kids. But it seems that the trend is in the opposite direction to me. 
Use the wrong pronoun and the kid feels justified to commit murder. I have a 
simplistic outlook, kids need stern and loving parents that are not afraid of 
corporal punishment and teaching them the value of work. Some of my adult 
children (two of the girls, one is a JR High science teacher) feel now that I 
abused them with this outlook. Oh well. At least none of my kids have shot up 
the place yet. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:11 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political 
The time for action is now, we must love the forgotten and teach virtues to our 
youth. Prayers are nothing without action. We can and we will a change this 
world. GOD is merciful 
Thurston High School. 
Columbine High School. 
Heritage High School. 
Deming Middle School. 
Fort Gibson Middle School. 
Buell Elementary School. 
Lake Worth Middle School. 
University of Arkansas. 
Junipero Serra High School. 
Santana High School. 
Bishop Neumann High School. 
Pacific Lutheran University. 
Granite Hills High School. 
Lew Wallace High School. 
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. 
Appalachian School of Law. 
Washington High School. 
Conception Abbey. 
Benjamin Tasker Middle School. 
University of Arizona. 
Lincoln High School. 
John McDonogh High School. 
Red Lion Area Junior High School. 
Case Western Reserve University. 
Rocori High School. 
Ballou High School. 
Randallstown High School. 
Bowen High School. 
Red Lake Senior High School. 
Harlan Community Academy High School. 
Campbell County High School. 
Milwee Middle School. 
Roseburg High School. 
Pine Middle School. 
Essex Elementary School. 
Duquesne University. 
Platte Canyon High School. 
Weston High School. 
West Nickel Mines School. 
Joplin Memorial Middle School. 
Henry Foss High School. 
Compton Centennial High School. 
Virginia Tech. 
Success Tech Academy. 
Miami Carol City Senior High School. 
Hamilton High School. 
Louisiana Technical College. 
Mitchell High School. 
E.O. Green Junior High School. 
Northern Illinois University. 
Lakota Middle School. 
Knoxville Central High School. 
Willoughby South High School. 
Henry Ford High School. 
University of Central Arkansas. 
Dillard High School. 
Dunbar High School. 
Hampton University. 
Harvard College. 
Larose-Cut Off Middle School. 
International Studies Academy. 
Skyline College. 
Discovery Middle School. 
University of Alabama. 
DeKalb School. 
Deer Creek Middle School. 
Ohio State University. 
Mumford High School. 
University of Texas. 
Kelly Elementary School. 
Marinette High School. 
Aurora Central High School. 
Millard South High School. 
Martinsville West Middle School. 
Worthing High School. 
Millard South High School. 
Highlands Intermediate School. 
Cape Fear High School. 
Chardon High School. 
Episcopal School of Jacksonville. 
Oikos University. 
Hamilton High School. 
Perry Hall School. 
Normal Community High School. 
University of South Alabama. 
Banner Academy South. 
University of Southern California. 
Sandy Hook Elementary School. 
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. 
Taft Union High School. 
Osbor

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

Also not trying to be argumentative but I honestly don’t believe gun laws will 
stop anything.  I’m pretty boring when it comes to life in general. No real 
friends I go out with, no known criminal or gang affiliations of anyone I know. 
 I don’t know any drug dealers and don’t go to bars   However I can and have 
purchased weapons in parking lots of malls and churches off of Facebook 
marketplace and direct through other fun private transfer sites.  I don’t even 
bust the dark web or want to but I’m sure they are available there as well.  
Yeah I know fb bans sale of guns.  It didn’t stop anything.  Neither will gun 
laws.  If I thought they would stop nut cases from getting guns I’d be all for 
it.  It won’t 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 20:00, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> Not being argumentative, curious, the guy that shot up the youth camp, where 
> did he get his gun?  I would presume Norway had more strict gun laws than the 
> US.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right. 
>> These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.
>> 
>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed. 
>> Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>> 
>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing. 
>> They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy. 
>> Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>> 
>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and 
>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians 
>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass 
>> shootings only happen in America.
>> 
>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your 
>> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! 
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>>> Figuratively inside the lines.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules 
>>> and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted 
>>> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides 
>>> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky 
>>> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix 
>>> on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he 
>>> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel 
>>> empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they 
>>> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job 
>>> where he emptied his sprayer. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down 
>>> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with 
>>> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year 
>>> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it 
>>> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to 
>>> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>> 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> but it's organic.
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and 
>>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of 
>>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile 
>>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no 
>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu install in Denver area

[Craig House]

Details?   How high on monopole ?   How long of a shot?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2021, at 16:24, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Guy on Reddit is looking for someone to install a pair of Siklu 8010s (1') 
> from a Monopol to a building.  Let me know if you are interested and I'll put 
> you together.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[Craig House]

Or maybe the question is how many might have died if they had successfully 
rolled a dumpster on fire into the gas station?  

Look I dont pretend to know what actually happened there that day.   I dont 
trust any media any more.  I dont trust what I read on any social media which 
is why I no longer have any social media.  I dont trust video any more due to 
deep fakes and edits to suit the purpose of those that release or edit said 
video.   I dont trust people in general any more.   Which is why I carry a gun. 
 And given the situation that seems to be the case as shown in the trial, I 
would have done the same thing.  But who knows if that is what actually 
happened.  However, I am more inclined to  believe that he was there to render 
first aid and his word that he was putting out fires to protect his family's 
business than I believe the 3 rioters with convictions for burglary, domestic 
abuse, and sexual abuse have for being there. 



- Original Message -
From: "Craig House" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 1:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

How many of them were defending their family’s business?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:53, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Well How many of them shot and killed someone?
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2021 11:47 AM, Craig House wrote:
> > So it’s your contention that the others didn’t go looking for trouble ??
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:29, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't see it that way. The twerp went looking for trouble, and he got it.
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2021 11:17 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Two people caused their own death that day. Yes, he should have
> >>> stayed home that day as well as all the rioters.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>> The point that should be made is that exactly two people died by any
> >>>> means that day, and the young twerp was the cause of both. If he had
> >>>> stayed home watching Walker Texas Ranger (or whatever gets his
> >>>> jollies up), no one would have died.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bp
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/20/2021 11:04 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>>>> I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more
> >>>>> than once.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>>>> Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hmmm.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still zero.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Shoot 'em anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bp
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>>>>>> As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two
> >>>>>>> punches to the head. In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to
> >>>>>>> death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any
> >>>>>>> caliber or style.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but
> >>>>>>>> the "rioters" didn't. I think if it was your relative that was
> >>>>>>>> dead in the street YOUR perspective might be different. No one
> >>>>>>>> died in this event _Except_ as a result of this kid. Was it right
> >>>>>>>> that the guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO. Was he going
> >>>>>>>> to die from the beating with a skateboard? Not likely... Was he
> >>>>>>>> at a house/business defending it/them? No Was he a perfect Media
> >>>>>>>> (either side) tool, most certainly...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> >>>>>>>>> the holding of them accountable. Wonder if it were your
> >>>>>>>>> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
> >>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[Craig House]

How many of them were defending their family’s business?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:53, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Well How many of them shot and killed someone?
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2021 11:47 AM, Craig House wrote:
> > So it’s your contention that the others didn’t go looking for trouble ??
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:29, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't see it that way. The twerp went looking for trouble, and he got it.
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2021 11:17 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Two people caused their own death that day. Yes, he should have
> >>> stayed home that day as well as all the rioters.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>> The point that should be made is that exactly two people died by any
> >>>> means that day, and the young twerp was the cause of both. If he had
> >>>> stayed home watching Walker Texas Ranger (or whatever gets his
> >>>> jollies up), no one would have died.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bp
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/20/2021 11:04 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>>>> I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more
> >>>>> than once.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>>>> Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hmmm.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still zero.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Shoot 'em anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bp
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>>>>>> As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two
> >>>>>>> punches to the head. In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to
> >>>>>>> death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any
> >>>>>>> caliber or style.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but
> >>>>>>>> the "rioters" didn't. I think if it was your relative that was
> >>>>>>>> dead in the street YOUR perspective might be different. No one
> >>>>>>>> died in this event _Except_ as a result of this kid. Was it right
> >>>>>>>> that the guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO. Was he going
> >>>>>>>> to die from the beating with a skateboard? Not likely... Was he
> >>>>>>>> at a house/business defending it/them? No Was he a perfect Media
> >>>>>>>> (either side) tool, most certainly...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> >>>>>>>>> the holding of them accountable. Wonder if it were your
> >>>>>>>>> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
> >>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[Craig House]

So it’s your contention that the others didn’t go looking for trouble ??

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:29, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Don't see it that way. The twerp went looking for trouble, and he got it.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2021 11:17 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > Two people caused their own death that day.  Yes, he should have 
> > stayed home that day as well as all the rioters.
> >
> > Bill Prince wrote:
> >> The point that should be made is that exactly two people died by any 
> >> means that day, and the young twerp was the cause of both. If he had 
> >> stayed home watching Walker Texas Ranger (or whatever gets his 
> >> jollies up), no one would have died.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2021 11:04 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more 
> >>> than once.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Prince wrote:
>  Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.
> 
>  Hmmm.
> 
>  Still zero.
> 
>  Shoot 'em anyway.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two 
> > punches to the head. In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to 
> > death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any 
> > caliber or style.
> >
> > Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but 
> >> the "rioters" didn't. I think if it was your relative that was 
> >> dead in the street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one 
> >> died in this event _Except_ as a result of this kid. Was it right 
> >> that the guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going 
> >> to die from the beating with a skateboard?  Not likely... Was he 
> >> at a house/business defending it/them? No  Was he a perfect Media 
> >> (either side) tool, most certainly...
> >>
> >> On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> >>> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> >>> the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
> >>> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA

[Craig House]

I’ve been seeing this thread on the list for a while but hadn’t really read it. 
Probably worth keeping in mind when we do turn our stuff on to see how much 
interference there might be

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> On Jul 25, 2021, at 10:09, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> T-Mobile took over lots of 2 and 3Ghz stuff from Sprint...maybe could be 
> related to that..
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 7:45 AM Tyson Burris  wrote:
>> LOL, Mike you got to get in the game bro.
>> 
>> I typed that up half asleep as well. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It’s not always that easy, but yes we have done all that.
>> 
>> You really think Crown, SBA, American care?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Crowns answer:  3ghz isn’t licensed anyone can use it plus you would need to 
>> contact the interfering party directly
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Well they are partially right. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Tyson Burris, President 
>> Internet Communications Inc. 
>> 739 Commerce Dr. 
>> Franklin, IN 46131 
>>   
>> Office # 317-738-0320 
>> Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
>> Online: www.surfici.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What can ICI do for you?
>> 
>> 
>> Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
>> Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. 
>>   
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>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:59 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the 
>> interference and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that 
>> tower and contact information?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Tyson Burris" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
>> 
>> Good morning AF Geeks-
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone help me understand this better.  Several questions below.
>> 
>> We operate in six counties in Indiana.  Some rural some not so much.
>> 
>> In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when 
>> we are connected to the SAS. 
>> 
>> While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on 
>> recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to 
>> pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> PAL winners for Johnson County, IN:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz
>> 
>> Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz
>> 
>> Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently 
>> not deploying in fixed wireless.
>> 
>> -Comcast floats off Verizon
>> 
>> -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally 
>> yet unless subleasing.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Questions are:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three?
>> 
>> Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country 
>> instead of just local counties?
>> 
>> Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum 
>> and causing all the interference?
>> 
>> Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender.  Did any data 
>> come from that?
>> 
>> What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this 
>> force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely?
>> 
>> Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE.  Starting 
>> to think their system is worthless or inaccurate.  Truth is I think this 
>> whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not fully tested on 
>> 3g.
>> 
>> If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync?  I ask because 
>> we found some very interesting work arounds and results with upload when we 
>> started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, channel.
>> 
>> If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a 
>> post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Things we have discovered:
>> 
>> Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable range 
>> and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference still trashes 
>> the uplinks.
>> In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which could be 
>> PAL related.
>> In some cases customer SM’s going off other ‘

Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial

[Craig House]

I’ve been wondering when someone would bring this up. My wife mentioned it like 
three months ago. She has never climbed anything in her life and she thought it 
looked odd. 

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> On May 19, 2021, at 11:27, Andy Trimmell  wrote:
> 
> 
> That dog wasn’t tied off properly! Horrible commercial!
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 12:24 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
>  
> It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely didn't 
> setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
> 
> I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies. 
> Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in 
> use.  But I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is.
>  
>  
> On 5/19/2021 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
> 
> Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls.
> .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder 
> right behind her the entire time.
>  
> On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> This video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw
> 
> She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time.  Not sure if that's 100% 
> kosher, but she is tethered at all times. 
> 
> On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Where's the link
>  
> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
> Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while 
> her hook is strapped to her chest?
>  
> That's going to get some fun Twitter 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

[Craig House]

Tell them to return the new 4k TV and use the money to upgrade plans.  

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:22:57 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

Every now and then you get a customer that just grinds your gears. 
Customer has multiple streaming services, including Youtube TV, so they 
have to be paying over $100/month for their OTT packages, but they 
REFUSE to spend more than $35/month for our lowest grandfathered base 
package, and continually complain about picture quality and buffering.  
We've offered our higher packages, but 'I can't afford that'  So we've 
told them multiple times that they're not happy with us and they need to 
switch to Comcast, but 'Comcast is too expensive'  and 'I'm just a poor 
teacher'  Then they had the audacity to tell us 'I even went and bought 
a new 4k Samsung smart TV thinking that would fix everything, but it's 
all still grainy and still buffering!'  Well, yes, it's maxing out your 
plan speed.  No matter how expensive of a TV you get it'll still have 
that problem. I'm not sure what the problem is with upgrading their 
package since apparently they can spend money on everything else.

Not really looking for any answers, just need someone to gripe to since 
I'm sitting here by myself this morning.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: penny stocks

[Craig House]

I still buy and sell ethereum almost daily.  It’s over 2k now but can vary 
100-150$ per day. If you time it right you can make a lot or miss out on a lot 
if you don’t.  Since March 1 I’ve made 43% on my money and feel like I can 
double my money in 3-6 months   Probably could do the same by just holding onto 
it rather than trading daily but it wouldn’t be as much fun 

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> On Apr 9, 2021, at 21:13, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> So I've been dicking around with the market, trivial amount, 5 shares per 
> stock. If I had put a lot in Tesco would have done me well.
> 
> I have 100 shares of this penny stock, it's a gold backed cryptocurrency, I 
> watch it bounce a lot throug the day and its followed the same trend for its 
> couple months existence. 
> 
> So I set up a paper account and was dicking today with another penny stock. 
> Set buy and sell limits with about 10,000 in the play money. It made 4k in 2 
> rounds. It's just a couple pennies it fluctuates but at 500,000 shares that 
> adds up.
> 
> I told the wife and of course she wants me to cash in something and play with 
> real money.
> 
> I'm more inclined to see how the play money performs, I have some limits on 
> the crypto stock that we will see what happens on monday morning.
> 
> I'm thinking to myself there has to be a catch. If it was that simple, 
> everybody would be doing it.
> 
> You guys who mess around probably went through a time where you tried that 
> kind of trading, and none of you talk about it now, so I assume the catch is 
> pretty straight forward.
> 
> I was looking at my IRA, it's done pretty good at 17 percent. But just taking 
> 10k of it and playing with this at 1 percent per trading day, that would be 
> another 27k annually.
> 
> I do see why day traders need low latency though, but with limits I dont see 
> it has a lot of impact.
> 
> What's to stop a guy from spending an hour or 2 every morning with a 
> relatively small amount in the big scheme of things like 10k trading to 1 
> percent or better and then going to work? 100 bucks a day or more doesnt seem 
> terrible for an hour. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] FB account deleted

[Craig House]

Can I get a service started to perform such a thing for people.  I’d pay to 
have mine deleted since I was banned and can’t log back into it without jumping 
thru hoops and I don’t even want it back

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> On Feb 23, 2021, at 18:32, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:
> 
> Some hacked my wife's FB account and deleted it. Looks like they got
> in through her e-mail being we found a couple of FB recovery message
> from late last night. It is very odd. Not sure why if they had
> access to her e-mail account, why they wouldn't have done more. Could
> have sent SPAM the all her friends. Also, why just delete a FB
> account. If you can take it over, why not use it for evil doings.
> Just seemed like a very targeted attack with the sole purpose of
> deleting her FB account.
> 
> I told her they did her a favor, but she isn't buying that. I don't
> use FB, so I have no idea if there is a way to contact them. I'm not
> finding much help with google. Looks like the only support you can
> get is if you are buying advertising.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
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> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bitcoin

[Craig House]

I mined in my house 2-3 years ago.  Trust me the heat is nice but not free.  I 
spent 1700$ a month on electricity and had to open my windows in my house if it 
was above 40 outside.I was mining eth with about 75 graphics cards.  Never 
got into ASICS machines cause they are single purpose and planned obsolescence 
so I never could justify the cost.  

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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:52, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Mining bitcoin with the rational of generating heat for your house is a 1 to 
> 1 efficiency from a thermodynamic standpoint. Every KW of heat costs you 
> whatever your electric rate is. You are earning some money (coin) for each KW 
> which reduces your effective heating cost. 
> 
> At this point I don’t think any of the currencies mining value is even close 
> to the electric rate required to produce it. Put your money into a good 
> geothermal system that gives you 3KW of heat for each 1KW of electricity you 
> put into it. 
> 
> I’m willing to bet you will be farther ahead spending your money on 
> geothermal, solar, and insulation.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Now this is an interesting idea I had never considered!
> > 
> > On 1/10/21 1:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> I'm intrigued by mining cryptocurrency to generate heat in my house that 
> >> pays for itself.
> >> I understand that there is something called profit switching that changes 
> >> which currency is being mined based on profitability.
> >> I understand that ASIC miners are way more profitable.
> >> I understand that algorithm support in ASIC miners varies.
> >> Where can I go to separate the wheat from the chaff? Google returns a lot 
> >> of crap.
> >> I understood that you mine the coin, stuff happens, then the coin goes 
> >> into your wallet, of whatever type. You then hold it or exchange it for 
> >> goods or cash.
> >> What are pools?
> >> What are stratums?
> >> Where can I find more information on asic miners, to find which ones are 
> >> best able to generate a return for their cost?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

[Craig House]

Thank you 


From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:37:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB 

Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil 
to do so. 
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and 
Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. 
Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. 
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. 
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB 
youre no fun dad 
Lent? 
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote: 



Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F 
words in a subject line. There have been complaints. 
From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit 
That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called 
news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which 
side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to 
either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a 
particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be 
done to fix it. 
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take 
every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case 
when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This 
includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really 
provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that 
group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages 
because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution 
to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress 
isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion 
on this list 

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit 


Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth 
with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled 
by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. 

The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. 


On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a 
coup. 
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every 
voter the same, it's not an "election". 
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is 
intolerable. 
[ http://hereistheevidence.com/ | hereistheevidence.com ] --- in case you dare 
open your mind to truth 
Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie 
plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. 
All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 
'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- 
saw it or believed in it. 
I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: 
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose 
of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to 
humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When 
people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious 
lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they 
lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in 
some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is 
thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to 
control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect 
and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple 
You arrogant asses, you've killed us! 
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind 
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted 
it... Trump enabled it. 
Go ahead and get off this list 
Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... 
This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was 
going to be wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit

[Craig House]

" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take 
every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case 
when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This 
includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really 
provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that 
group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages 
because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution 
to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress 
isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion 
on this list 



From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit 



Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth 
with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled 
by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. 

The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. 


On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: 



an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a 
coup. 
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every 
voter the same, it's not an "election". 
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is 
intolerable. 

[ http://hereistheevidence.com/ | hereistheevidence.com ] --- in case you dare 
open your mind to truth 

Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie 
plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. 

All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 
'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- 
saw it or believed in it. 

I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: 

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose 
of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to 
humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When 
people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious 
lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they 
lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in 
some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is 
thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to 
control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect 
and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple 

You arrogant asses, you've killed us! 
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
| thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted 
it... Trump enabled it. 

Go ahead and get off this list 
Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... 
This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was 
going to be wild ... 
So fuck them to hell. 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, unlike 
during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. god this 
is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and historically 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

WTF...third world country tactics... 
Insurrection... 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

The sailboat mouse store exactly where I came up with this idea to start with 
I’ve also seen them used on green legs that may not be running perfectly 
vertical where they’re trying to support the big pipe on a long stretch of 
unsupported run otherwise

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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 15:41, Dev  wrote:
> 
> In utility pole world, those “sidewalk guys” are sometimes called Queen’s 
> posts, super common, very strong. They’re normally anchored with 5-6 foot 
> anchors you twist into the bottom of a hole and fill and compact with rocks. 
> All cheap and plentiful to buy. Same concept used to rig sailboat masts which 
> work just fine, even being anchored at multiple points up the mast like 20, 
> 40 feet etc.
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s a consideration thanks Bill
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 14:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some sort of 
>>> strong arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get fairly robust 
>>> schedule 40 pipe in 28' lengths around here. That would allow you to brace 
>>> 2/3 of the way or so. With a strong arm, it would brace both in compression 
>>> and extension.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>> On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House wrote:
>>>> Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
>>>> service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot 
>>>> into it
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true 
>>>>> self-supporter?  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>>>>>  
>>>>> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way 
>>>>> taller 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough 
>>>>> to guy it properly?
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>>>>> How is it unstable?
>>>>>  does it wobble?
>>>>> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
>>>>> middle bottom.
>>>>> more if needed
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
>>>>> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
>>>>> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep. 
>>>>>  Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>>>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
>>>>> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>>>>>  
>>>>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>>>>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>>>>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like 
>>>>> to make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been 
>>>>> there for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so 
>>>>> it is not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy 
>>>>> wire design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower 
>>>>> using some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might 
>>>>> make the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some 
>>>>> of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it 
>>>>> might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from 
>>>>> the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the 
>>>>> base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

That’s a consideration thanks Bill

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 14:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some sort of strong 
> arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get fairly robust schedule 40 
> pipe in 28' lengths around here. That would allow you to brace 2/3 of the way 
> or so. With a strong arm, it would brace both in compression and extension.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House wrote:
>> Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
>> service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot 
>> into it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true self-supporter? 
>>>  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>>>  
>>> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way 
>>> taller 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
>>> guy it properly?
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>>> How is it unstable?
>>>  does it wobble?
>>> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>>> 
>>> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
>>> middle bottom.
>>> more if needed
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
>>> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
>>> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  
>>> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
>>> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>>>  
>>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
>>> not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
>>> design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
>>> some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
>>> the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
>>> but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
>>> that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
>>> the concrete.  Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot into it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true self-supporter?  
> Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>  
> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way taller 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
> guy it properly?
>  
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
> How is it unstable?
>  does it wobble?
> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
> 
> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
> middle bottom.
> more if needed
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole wants 
> to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  Could 
> you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>  
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for 
> some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind 
> of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more 
> rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of 
> the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth 
> the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just 
> doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way taller 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
> guy it properly?
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>> How is it unstable?
>>  does it wobble?
>> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>> 
>> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
>> middle bottom.
>> more if needed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
>>> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
>>> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  
>>> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
>>>> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>>>> 
>>>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>>>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>>>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>>>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>>>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
>>>> not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
>>>> design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
>>>> some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
>>>> the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>>>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might 
>>>> help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base 
>>>> but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just 
>>>> above the concrete.  Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

We live in a part of the country where it’s still considered your property to 
do what you want with for the most part.  These are very rural areas.  They 
sometimes still settle family disputes by who goes missing 

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 22:43, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Zoning Lol. What’s that? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 22:41, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm a little surprised he can put a tower so close to the neighbor's 
> > property.
> > 
> > In some places aren't you required to have it the height of the tower away, 
> > so if the tower falls, it falls entirely on your own land? Not sure if 
> > that's a zoning or insurance requirement.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:09 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> > 
> > Three feet is about how far sidewalk guys go. Literally across a sidewalk.
> > 
> > On 12/21/2020 10:54 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > > Its pretty much right in the corner of the yard. Maybe 2-3' at best. 
> > > The pic I sent was not the tower. This pic is of a 55g that is in a 
> > > concrete base. I chose it to try to draw the guy wire idea on because 
> > > it is on my computer already and I dont have a pic of the actual tower
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Chris Fabien" 
> > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:50:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> > >
> > > How many feet of space do you actually have on the closest side of the 
> > > tower. And what's the deal with that large base plate?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 PM Craig House  
> > > wrote:
> > >> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the 
> > >> link stable. Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the 
> > >> tower. So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align. I'm 
> > >> always about trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this. 
> > >> I like the engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> > >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> > >>
> > >> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault 
> > >> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do 
> > >> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea. It is 
> > >>> not the tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard 90 
> > >>> degree angle corner. Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> > >>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in. 25g 50' tall. I'd like 
> > >>> to make it more stable but how? The base is in concrete and has been 
> > >>> there for some time. Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so 
> > >>> it is not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves Would a 
> > >>> guy wire design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the 
> > >>> tower using some kind of stand off in the middle do anything? I think 
> > >>> it might make the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying? 
> > >>> Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it 
> > >>> seems like it might help but is it worth the effort? I maybe could move 
> > >>> out 3' from the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than 
> > >>> attaching to the base just above the concrete. Thoughts?--
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Zoning   Lol. What’s that?

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 22:41, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I'm a little surprised he can put a tower so close to the neighbor's 
> property.
> 
> In some places aren't you required to have it the height of the tower away, 
> so if the tower falls, it falls entirely on your own land? Not sure if that's 
> a zoning or insurance requirement.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:09 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> 
> Three feet is about how far sidewalk guys go. Literally across a sidewalk.
> 
> On 12/21/2020 10:54 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > Its pretty much right in the corner of the yard. Maybe 2-3' at best. 
> > The pic I sent was not the tower. This pic is of a 55g that is in a 
> > concrete base. I chose it to try to draw the guy wire idea on because 
> > it is on my computer already and I dont have a pic of the actual tower
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Chris Fabien" 
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:50:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> >
> > How many feet of space do you actually have on the closest side of the 
> > tower. And what's the deal with that large base plate?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 PM Craig House  
> > wrote:
> >> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the 
> >> link stable. Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the 
> >> tower. So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align. I'm 
> >> always about trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this. I 
> >> like the engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> >>
> >> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault 
> >> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do 
> >> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  
> >> wrote:
> >>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea. It is 
> >>> not the tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
> >>>
> >>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard 90 
> >>> degree angle corner. Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> >>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in. 25g 50' tall. I'd like to 
> >>> make it more stable but how? The base is in concrete and has been there 
> >>> for some time. Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
> >>> not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves Would a guy wire 
> >>> design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower 
> >>> using some kind of stand off in the middle do anything? I think it might 
> >>> make the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying? Since some 
> >>> of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it 
> >>> might help but is it worth the effort? I maybe could move out 3' from the 
> >>> base but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base 
> >>> just above the concrete. Thoughts?--
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Good thought. I hadn't considered that it would add force to the base point. I 
had considered tho that I could further stablize the base by adding a concrete 
form around the guy attachment point and encase that attachment point in some 
quickrete to further stablize the base 


From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:02:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 

If the wires are tight in your proposed in & out configuration they could limit 
the tower from bending in the middle, but it's still free to pivot on the base. 
The steel being free to bend right now must absorb some of the lateral force, 
and you'd instead be transferring all that force into the base. 


I think it would reduce, but not eliminate lateral movement, but it would 
increase stress at the point where the guy wires are attached to the base. 


I think you'd be better with the sidewalk guy. 

I'm not an engineer, but I play one on TV. 


On 12/21/2020 10:50 PM, Craig House wrote: 



Yeah So sidewalk guys is kind of what I was considering but using the base of 
the tower with a turnbuckle instead. 


From: "Ken Hohhof" [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com |  ] 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:47:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 



For utility poles, they have what is called a sidewalk guy. Or at grain 
elevators, if they can’t put the guy anchor far enough out, they will sink an 
I-beam and attach the guy to the top of that. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:41 PM 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 





Do they make tower struts? I would think rigid enough struts would probably be 
massive and so heavy that the down force would exceed the base load, but what 
do I know. Probably would cost less to put up a self supporting tower at that 
point anyway 





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The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea. It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up 

I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard 90 degree 
angle corner. Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in. 25g 50' tall. I'd like to make it more 
stable but how? The base is in concrete and has been there for some time. Heavy 
winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it is as 
much as how much it moves Would a guy wire design where all three legs were 
guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the middle 
do anything? I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it keep it 
from swaying? Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Its pretty much right in the corner of the yard.  Maybe 2-3' at best.  The pic 
I sent was not the tower.  This pic is of a 55g that is in a concrete base.  I 
chose it to try to draw the guy wire idea on because it is on my computer 
already and I dont have a pic of the actual tower 

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

How many feet of space do you actually have on the closest side of the
tower. And what's the deal with that large base plate?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 PM Craig House  wrote:
>
> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the link 
> stable.  Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the tower.  
> So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align.  I'm always about 
> trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this.  I like the 
> engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>
> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault
> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do
> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  wrote:
> >
> > The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> > tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
> >
> > I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> > degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> > neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> > make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
> > for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
> > not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
> > design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
> > some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
> > the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
> > unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
> > but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
> > that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
> > the concrete.  Thoughts?--
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Yeah So sidewalk guys is kind of what I was considering but using the base of 
the tower with a turnbuckle instead. 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:47:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 



For utility poles, they have what is called a sidewalk guy. Or at grain 
elevators, if they can’t put the guy anchor far enough out, they will sink an 
I-beam and attach the guy to the top of that. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:41 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 





Do they make tower struts? I would think rigid enough struts would probably be 
massive and so heavy that the down force would exceed the base load, but what 
do I know. Probably would cost less to put up a self supporting tower at that 
point anyway 





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cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 




The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea. It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up 

I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard 90 degree 
angle corner. Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in. 25g 50' tall. I'd like to make it more 
stable but how? The base is in concrete and has been there for some time. Heavy 
winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it is as 
much as how much it moves Would a guy wire design where all three legs were 
guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the middle 
do anything? I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it keep it 
from swaying? Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the link 
stable.  Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the tower.  So 
AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align.  I'm always about trying 
to figure out a way to resolve something like this.  I like the engineering 
challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.



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From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault
he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do
little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  wrote:
>
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for 
> some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind 
> of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more 
> rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of 
> the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth 
> the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just 
> doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

I thought about using uni strut and trying this out just to see if it helps. A 
10' piece of strut and a cable running from the top to the bottom over the end 
of the strut or through a ring. I'm willing to try it since I've got a bucket 
truck and this would only take a few hours at most to do. Just wondering mostly 
if anyone else has tried it and if I'm wasting my time. I realize the weak 
point is still the base just between my lower attachment point and the concrete 
but otherwise ...? 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:40:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower 

Do they make tower struts? I would think rigid enough struts would probably be 
massive and so heavy that the down force would exceed the base load, but what 
do I know. Probably would cost less to put up a self supporting tower at that 
point anyway 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 9:20 PM Craig House < [ mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net | 
cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 


The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea. It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up 

I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard 90 degree 
angle corner. Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in. 25g 50' tall. I'd like to make it more 
stable but how? The base is in concrete and has been there for some time. Heavy 
winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it is as 
much as how much it moves Would a guy wire design where all three legs were 
guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the middle 
do anything? I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it keep it 
from swaying? Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints 
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Re: [AFMUG] WISP Broker

[Craig House]

If you have the option to sell the stock of the company instead of the assets. 
That make the sale a capital gains tax. I think that only works if you are 
setup as a C corp or S corp though. Spread it out over a term if you trust the 
buyer to pay you off. That also reduces your income per year and spreads it out 
over a term . 


From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:26:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP Broker 

So for any of you who have solid: How did you cushion taxes? If you got 
600,000, 1 million or 2 million - that’s still going to be w huge tax hit. 

Also did you do anything for your employees? For example give them some of the 
sale proceeds? And if so did you just lump sum it or set something up to help 
them with money management and tax liability? 



On Dec 19, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote: 





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Maybe I ought to call them before you do. ;-) 



- 
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From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 9:34:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP Broker 

I just got a cold call yesterday, leaving a voicemail on almost every extension 
in the IVR, from a company wanting us to acquire one of their WISPS. CID came 
back as someone's personal name. Claimed to be from Wispbroker.com 

On 12/18/2020 8:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 

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You selling? 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 7:29 PM Matt Hoppes < [ 
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> wrote: 

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Anyone in our industry that brokers sales and buys of ISPs? 

For anyone who has sold - how did you find your buyer? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

As far as winter.  Arkansas isn’t warm enough.  As far as hurricanes, I’ve rode 
out 3 days of a cat5 when it hit St Thomas a few years back.  Hurricane Maria.  
Wasn’t any worse than a MO tornado just lasted longer.I hate winter more 
than you I guess 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 21:37, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> I hate winter so I'm gonna go to arkansas somewhere near the spring river in 
> timber where I can build a cabin with a basement house. I'll salt pack trout 
> and venison. Enough firewood to sleep through the winter. I'll spend my 
> summer on the bank catching trout and shooting floaters with a squirtgun. You 
> guys and your beaches, there are people on beaches. And sharks. And 
> hurricanes. And you cant operate a still on beaches. My only interest in that 
> is to look out over each ocean that touches each continent for 10 minutes. 
> I'd take a beach though if it was on an island but I don't have Paul's kind 
> of island buying money.
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> I am over it.  I am an optimist and it is all good.  I love America and 
>> really all the other nations I have visited.  However they eat far too much 
>> meat in the Balkins.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look 
>>> at any Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any 
>>> political post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides 
>>> trashing each other.  I’m pretty tired of it from both sides.  Too me it 
>>> seems like there is so much division and both sides are so entrenched in 
>>> their belief that the other side is fabricating stories.   Maybe at this 
>>> point the only way to coexist is as two separate countries.  Honestly I 
>>> don’t see either side “getting over it”
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:24, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I 
>>>> think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue 
>>>> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am 
>>>> hoping it will not be needed.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this 
>>>>> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with 
>>>>> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even 
>>>>> look at the content.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an 
>>>>>> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the 
>>>>>> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they 
>>>>>> are experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to 
>>>>>> poke at them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but 
>>>>>> nobody is actually posting those on this list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>>> Ha!
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

I might get bored too but I'd sure enjoy the getting there part. I'm a scuba 
diver. I could spend the rest of my days hopping from place to place just 
hiring out as a dive master until I get bored with one place and move on to 
another. 


From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:13:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

Yeah, I got to that point and quickly got bored. So I started micro trenching 
for Google Fiber. 

Sent from my iPhone 



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I used to be an optimist. Now I'm a realist. Just glad I'm close to retirement. 
If I can still stand to for another 5 years, I'll continue to work. If not, 
I'll find a beach in Mexico or Belize or some other laid back central American 
country that welcomes expats and spend the rest of my days watching waves and 
the cute margarita delivery girls. 


From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:50:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

I am over it. I am an optimist and it is all good. I love America and really 
all the other nations I have visited. However they eat far too much meat in the 
Balkins. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look at any 
Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any political 
post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides trashing each 
other. I’m pretty tired of it from both sides. Too me it seems like there is so 
much division and both sides are so entrenched in their belief that the other 
side is fabricating stories. Maybe at this point the only way to coexist is as 
two separate countries. Honestly I don’t see either side “getting over it” 

Sent from my iPhone 


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There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years. But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve). Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can. We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it will 
not be needed. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email 
group. I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks. These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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My brothers are in the Trump camp. They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story. They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger. It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list. 


We're all grown-assed adults here. 


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Ha! 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

Humidity who cares. I live in Missouri where we get the same humidity but 
without a beach. Never been to Panama but I've been to Guatemala, Belize, 
Mexico (mostly the Yucatan area), most of the Caribbean islands, and I love the 
islands but I've been taking Spanish lessons trying to get fluent. Not easy to 
do in a state that speaks fluent hick and not much else. 


From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:05:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

Our neighbor Larry Brent moved to Panama three years ago. He has a real nice 
place by a beach...he is a ladies man so he is having a great time. He had to 
adjust from El Paso Spanglish to Panamanian style. 
He rents his house in case he decides to come back but loves the weather, his 
bike rides and the food. Doesn't hurt that he retired a millionaire from sale 
of his business .. 
My sister lived in Panama when she worked for one of those three letter 
guvement agencies as a forensic accountant ...she liked it except for 
humidity... 


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:57 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 



San Miguel Allende 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:55 PM Craig House < [ mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net | 
cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 

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I used to be an optimist. Now I'm a realist. Just glad I'm close to retirement. 
If I can still stand to for another 5 years, I'll continue to work. If not, 
I'll find a beach in Mexico or Belize or some other laid back central American 
country that welcomes expats and spend the rest of my days watching waves and 
the cute margarita delivery girls. 


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Cc: "Chuck McCown" < [ mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com | ch...@go-mtc.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:50:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

I am over it. I am an optimist and it is all good. I love America and really 
all the other nations I have visited. However they eat far too much meat in the 
Balkins. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look at any 
Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any political 
post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides trashing each 
other. I’m pretty tired of it from both sides. Too me it seems like there is so 
much division and both sides are so entrenched in their belief that the other 
side is fabricating stories. Maybe at this point the only way to coexist is as 
two separate countries. Honestly I don’t see either side “getting over it” 

Sent from my iPhone 


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af@af.afmug.com ] > wrote: 


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There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years. But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve). Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can. We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it will 
not be needed. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 


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I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email 
group. I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks. These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 


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My brothers are in the Trump camp. They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story. They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger. It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list. 


We're all grown-assed adults here. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

Too far from a beach. NO 1 requirement beach Mexican beaches come with 
margaritas so NO2 is covered 


From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:57:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

San Miguel Allende 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:55 PM Craig House < [ mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net | 
cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 



I used to be an optimist. Now I'm a realist. Just glad I'm close to retirement. 
If I can still stand to for another 5 years, I'll continue to work. If not, 
I'll find a beach in Mexico or Belize or some other laid back central American 
country that welcomes expats and spend the rest of my days watching waves and 
the cute margarita delivery girls. 


From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
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Cc: "Chuck McCown" < [ mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com | ch...@go-mtc.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:50:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

I am over it. I am an optimist and it is all good. I love America and really 
all the other nations I have visited. However they eat far too much meat in the 
Balkins. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Craig House < [ mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net | 
cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 





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If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look at any 
Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any political 
post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides trashing each 
other. I’m pretty tired of it from both sides. Too me it seems like there is so 
much division and both sides are so entrenched in their belief that the other 
side is fabricating stories. Maybe at this point the only way to coexist is as 
two separate countries. Honestly I don’t see either side “getting over it” 

Sent from my iPhone 


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On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:24, Chuck McCown via AF < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > wrote: 


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There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years. But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve). Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can. We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it will 
not be needed. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House < [ mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net | 
cr...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote: 


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I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email 
group. I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks. These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 


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My brothers are in the Trump camp. They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story. They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger. It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list. 


We're all grown-assed adults here. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

I used to be an optimist. Now I'm a realist. Just glad I'm close to retirement. 
If I can still stand to for another 5 years, I'll continue to work. If not, 
I'll find a beach in Mexico or Belize or some other laid back central American 
country that welcomes expats and spend the rest of my days watching waves and 
the cute margarita delivery girls. 


From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:50:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share 

I am over it. I am an optimist and it is all good. I love America and really 
all the other nations I have visited. However they eat far too much meat in the 
Balkins. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Craig House  wrote: 





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If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look at any 
Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any political 
post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides trashing each 
other. I’m pretty tired of it from both sides. Too me it seems like there is so 
much division and both sides are so entrenched in their belief that the other 
side is fabricating stories. Maybe at this point the only way to coexist is as 
two separate countries. Honestly I don’t see either side “getting over it” 

Sent from my iPhone 


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On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:24, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote: 


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There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years. But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve). Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can. We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it will 
not be needed. 

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On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote: 


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group. I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks. These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content. 

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My brothers are in the Trump camp. They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story. They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger. It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list. 


We're all grown-assed adults here. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

If I want to witness Americans bickering with other Americans I can look at any 
Covid post or local tv channel post or any anti vaxer post or any political 
post and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from both sides trashing each 
other.  I’m pretty tired of it from both sides.  Too me it seems like there is 
so much division and both sides are so entrenched in their belief that the 
other side is fabricating stories.   Maybe at this point the only way to 
coexist is as two separate countries.  Honestly I don’t see either side 
“getting over it”

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:24, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think 
> we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue without 
> restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it 
> will not be needed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>>> 
>> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this 
>> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with 
>> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even 
>> look at the content.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an 
>>> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the 
>>> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are 
>>> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at 
>>> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is 
>>> actually posting those on this list.
>>> 
>>> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>> Ha!
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Craig House]

I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email  
group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an 
> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats 
> are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing 
> an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of 
> the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting 
> those on this list.
> 
> We're all grown-assed adults here.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> Ha!
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Re: [AFMUG] DIY Broadband rocks!

[Craig House]

Thanks Sam.  It was a pleasure to meet you and I appreciate the nice comments 

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 16:59, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Pictures?
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:31 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>> We just had the pleasure of getting a tower swapped out with Craig and Josh 
>> from DIY broadband this weekend. Both of them were pros and fun to work 
>> with. We got the job done in the allotted time in 25-35 mph winds with no 
>> drama.
>> I am always so appreciative of people who do what they are going to do on 
>> time and with a smile. Not many left out there now a days. 
>> Thanks Craig! 
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer prem poles/masts

[Craig House]

I get them directly from the utility pole producer. There’s a distribution yard 
in eastern Kansas that has them shipped to them from Alabama. They have to come 
by rail car. They will deliver a dozen of them at a time to me at my location 
for around $8000. Obviously you should find someplace close to you for delivery 
convenience and price is probably very depending on areas of the country. If 
you need someone to put them in for you and you had them already on your 
premises I’d be willing to talk to you off list. It wouldn’t make sense for one 
or two but if you had a dozen of them or half dozen of them sitting at the 
jobsites ready to go I have a Derek truck with a auger and Core That I set them 
with here 

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> On Sep 29, 2020, at 14:52, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume you get these poles from the utility company? Can you share how 
> much? 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:07 PM Craig House  wrote:
>> 60 foot utility poles go 8 feet in the ground in our area resulting in a 52 
>> foot above ground option and you can extend that with the pipe to pipe clamp 
>> and some rigid conduit. They are not cheap to get in the ground but I do 
>> have the equipment to do it. The nice thing about them is you can put them 
>> in the right of way with the proper permits. I would not recommend using 
>> them for licensed back holes because they do move substantially at the top 
>> in the wind and makes it very difficult to align them but for 5 GHz they 
>> work fine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 13:39, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > What are some cheap and easy options you guys have used to get remote 
>> > subscribers connectivity? Many rural subscribers have break over poles 
>> > that can reach 20-25 ft. I'm looking for 40-50 ft options. Looking to 
>> > mount Force 300-25 or 450b HG SM's.
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer prem poles/masts

[Craig House]

60 foot utility poles go 8 feet in the ground in our area resulting in a 52 
foot above ground option and you can extend that with the pipe to pipe clamp 
and some rigid conduit. They are not cheap to get in the ground but I do have 
the equipment to do it. The nice thing about them is you can put them in the 
right of way with the proper permits. I would not recommend using them for 
licensed back holes because they do move substantially at the top in the wind 
and makes it very difficult to align them but for 5 GHz they work fine

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> On Sep 29, 2020, at 13:39, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> 
> What are some cheap and easy options you guys have used to get remote 
> subscribers connectivity? Many rural subscribers have break over poles that 
> can reach 20-25 ft. I'm looking for 40-50 ft options. Looking to mount Force 
> 300-25 or 450b HG SM's.
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Craig House]

I wouldn't even consider a self supporting 45g over 40-50' 


From: "Josh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:26:55 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g 



What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting. 



Thanks, 




Josh Heide 
Operations Manager 
209-838-1221 | [ http://velociter.net/ | velociter.net ] 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Manlift for aerial work

[Craig House]

I second the bucket truck. I found one for five years and it’s amazing that 
uses that you can find for in the places that you can get one of them into that 
you couldn’t get into with a tow behind

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 13:12, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I used to build aerial with hooks, brace and bit and wrenches. 
> Pulled the lasher by hand etc.  Can be done. 
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:09 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Manlift for aerial work
>  
> " which concerns me a bit, even though I'll be well below the neutral"
> never stop being concerned
>  
> The cable company has a mix of boom trucks and van mount booms. Id like to 
> try one of the van ones, but i think the base takes up the bulk of the cargo 
> area. I just like the idea of driving it right where you need it instead of a 
> trailer pull.
>  
> Id looked at doing an aerial fiber patch from a location to my house to pick 
> up anything i could along the way. I honestly planned on seeing if i could 
> pull it off from a pole ladder
>  
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
>> I need a manlift for stringing some fiber.  I'm going the maximum height 
>> without being in the power zone (40" below neutral).  Has anyone used a 
>> standard articulating manlift for something like this?  They aren't 
>> insulated (other than the tires) which concerns me a bit, even though I'll 
>> be well below the neutral.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT business decorum

[Craig House]

I don’t use that kind of language especially in a business environment. It’s 
one thing to be hanging on a tower with guys that speak that way on a daily 
basis it’s quite another to be in a conference room or meeting a client and 
have someone using that kind of language. If I was making a decision between 
two vendors and everything else being equal, that sort of thing would help me 
make my choice because I wouldn’t wanna be around it During future 
transactions. Sort of seems like they’re setting the tone for all future 
conversations. I agree it’s much more common but it used to be and maybe I’m an 
old fart now , But it just doesn’t seem professional

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:15, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don’t think it is now or has ever been appropriate for a sales rep to use 
> that kind of language.  Other language like racial and ethnic jokes may have 
> changed over time, but it’s just plain stupid for a sales person to use 
> offensive language.
>  
> Trying to set language standards for a video blogger however is probably 
> expecting too much.
>  
> I have not noticed that millennials have thinner skins than the general 
> population.  I can think of a 73 year old politician who seems very thin 
> skinned.  And there are billionaire entrepreneurs who are surprised that 
> calling someone a “pedo guy” is considered defamatory.  Yes, there are 
> millennials with thin skin, and her name is Karen.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT business decorum
>  
> Had a vendor make a visit to my company a while back and during the visit he 
> was dropping the F bomb left and right.  I would have thought he would have 
> toned it down as my wife was in the meeting.  After he left I told a 
> manufacturer’s rep about it and he contacted the guys boss and the next thing 
> I know the guy is apologizing.  Was not trying to cause him problems as work, 
> just asking for a sanity check. 
>  
> I have been in probably thousands of board and business meetings over the 
> years, and don’t recall anyone ever being gratuitous in the use of the F 
> word.  I do recall one of the big bosses at Harris Broadcast in Quincy Il 
> complaining about their director of sales being too salty for high end 
> businesses meetings. 
>  
> Then yesterday I was taken to task by a video blogger which had done a pretty 
> good job in his Tesla review except for the F bomb every other sentence.  I 
> told him it was about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.  He thinks I am 
> too old to have a valid opinion.  I guess he is one of those thin skinned 
> millennials...
>  
> TV shows it all the time, but I don’t think it is common in the business 
> world.  Perhaps Utah is in a bubble?
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Track loaders

[Craig House]

I’d like to stay with something around the 9000 pound range

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 08:43, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Full size or compact?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Craig House" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:33:23 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Track loaders
> 
> Considering making a purchase of a track loader. I’m sure it’s a Chevy versus 
> Ford versus Dodge sort of scenario but what is the opinions of anyone in this 
> group as to which brand is best? If you have one how long have you had it and 
> how much or often do you have to do repair work?
> 
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[AFMUG] Track loaders

[Craig House]

Considering making a purchase of a track loader. I’m sure it’s a Chevy versus 
Ford versus Dodge sort of scenario but what is the opinions of anyone in this 
group as to which brand is best? If you have one how long have you had it and 
how much or often do you have to do repair work?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Craig House]

I went to St Thomas after Maria two years ago to help with recovery. I got 
there three days before Irma hit. I stayed and rode out the CAT5 because well 
there were 55000 other people that didnt' have the chance to leave like I did. 
As soon as it was over, everywhere on the island people were out with chainsaws 
and trucks moving debris and cutting trees etc. The power company still didn't 
have things fixed a year later but the people there were trying to help 
themselves. I remember so many news stories about how the federal government 
wasn't helping None of them were from St Thomas. They took the help if it was 
provided and they were extremely grateful for us being there. But I never heard 
any one complain. I love to help people that will help themselves but so many 
people want a hand out not a hand up. 

Craig 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:56:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People 

The thing about getting bit in the ass is that the people cant say nobody gave 
them a chance. It's good to help your fellow man, even if he wont help himself. 
My dad used to always say "but for the grace of god go i" sometimes it's one 
bad choice for you to be In the other guys shoes, and hopefully somebody is 
there offering an opportunity at a leg up. 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 3:37 PM Brian Webster < [ mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com 
| i...@wirelessmapping.com ] > wrote: 





Keep being you. Who knows how you may have helped some of these folks years 
later or how you might have made a difference in their kids lives for whatever 
time they were employed by you. Just because people do not really recognize the 
opportunity given, don’t let that change who you are. Just cautiously continue 
to help. 




Thank you, 

Brian Webster 

[ http://www.wirelessmapping.com/ | www.wirelessmapping.com ] 





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Subject: [AFMUG] OT People 





Had to fire a guy today. He had a checkered past. Drugs, prison etc. 


I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him). 





Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses. 


They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone. 


The front of his coat was bulging when he left. 


He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc. 


I told them I would pay for the stuff. They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took. 





Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it. 


Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc. 


I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place. 





He was a parolee. We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there. 


It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out. He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right. 


So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew. 


My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came. 


(howz that for a company health plan). 





I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years. It rarely works out. I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail. 


Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given. 





Sucks losing the training time I have invested... 


Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things. 


Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives. 





About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone. 


I told him I was not going to do this anymore. 


He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”. Nope, done. 


I guess he was right, I kept doing it. I will probably do it again. I think I 
am an idiot sometimes. 



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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

[Craig House]

We haven’t seen an ANUS. (Average network usage statistics) this bad in 10 
years. To quote an old friends episode

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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 09:18, Christopher Tyler  wrote:
> 
> We're seeing traffic at about 9-10am go up considerably and then stay there 
> until the evening rush starts, but the overall nightly peak is about the same 
> as before.
> 
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> 
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> 1091 W. Kathryn Street
> Nixa, MO 65714
> (417) 851-1107 x. 9002
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> 
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:58:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
> 
> > Looks like winter break to me.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com |
> > af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Businesses with no people at the office but “the server” and “the shared 
> > drive”
> > are still there may find they are not set up for their entire workforce to 
> > work
> > from home. The office could become the bottleneck.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I often get frustrated with everything going “to the cloud”, but this might 
> > be a
> > situation where that is a good thing.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On
> > Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:43 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> > af@af.afmug.com ] >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, it makes sense that would mainly be an increase in daytime usage, and
> > that's mostly what we're seeing as well.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I do expect the upload thing to be a problem though...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:21 PM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com |
> > af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all day.
> > Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm starting 
> > to
> > get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared drive at the
> > office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something must be wrong
> > because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.
> > 
> > I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+ 
> > or
> > even the ones actually doing schoolwork. But a lot of people working from 
> > home
> > seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit it, upload 
> > the
> > changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much built to deliver
> > Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.
> > 
> > I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change. I mean, we've got
> > upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our upstream
> > provider connections, but not on the last mile connections. And it's not 
> > just
> > WISPs. The Internet is built for downloading.
> > 
> > I would probably work on another task while the previous one was uploading, 
> > but
> > that apparently doesn't work for most people. I could also wish for IT
> > departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach like Google 
> > Sheets,
> > but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up their work 
> > computers in
> > their cars and take them home. And everything was set up for an office LAN
> > environment.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On
> > Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> > af@af.afmug.com ] >
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
> > 
> > From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up maybe 
> > 10%
> > if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of at 6pm. 
> > I'm
> > comparing late February to mid March.
> > 
> > A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not seeing 
> > a
> > difference in a way that actually matters. I'm sure consumption in terms of 
> > GB
> > will be higher, but I don't think we actually have to care.
> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Craig House]

We really have reached the point with articles like this that make me think the 
Babylon be is closer to reality than real news. Before all of this started I 
was thinking that already with regard to political satire. But the line between 
satire and reality has become very blurred in the last few months And days

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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 14:54, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> It’s pretty bad when ISIS says you’re too risky.
> https://www.foxnews.com/world/isis-tells-its-terrorists-not-to-travel-to-europe
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 2:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>  
> By now haven't we determined that total infected isn't a meaningful 
> statistic? Isn't it much more useful to know the infected at-risk population?
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> 
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> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 8:18:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
> 
> The "other locations" just passed the mainland China numbers today. Testing 
> has not really started in the US; reports are that we are 10-12 days after 
> the Italy numbers.  Hard to make a real gauge of this until testing actually 
> starts here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/15/2020 5:39 PM, Robert wrote:
> If we stay on the curve ( we are currently on it from the start ), then we 
> are 7 days away from national lock down of travel outside our domiciles.
> 
> On 3/15/20 4:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> While i still consider the virus a minimal issue, if there is going to be a 
> response, it needs to be a full response. You wont often hear this from me, 
> but prickster is on point here. The federal administration has met with the 
> retailers to address the hoarding issue, so that should resolve in the coming 
> week. I personally think they should limit domestic travel. If youre going to 
> do something, then do something, not a half measure. There is the added 
> benefit of bringing about the end of the flu season early
>  
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> He appeared to at one point to chastise the throngs of St. Patrick’s Day 
> revelers seen drinking and partying in Chicago bars and crowds along streets 
> over the weekend.
> “I tried earlier this week to appeal to everyone’s good judgment, to stay 
> home from bars, not to congregate in crowds,” he said. "It’s unfortunate that 
> many people didn’t take that seriously. The time for persuasion and public 
> appeals is over. The time for action is here. This is not a joke. No one is 
> immune to this. And you have an obligation to act in the best interests of 
> all the people of this state.”
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 4:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>  
> Now the hoarding will really start.  
> 
> Illinois just closed all restaurants and Bars until March 30.  People are 
> going to starve.  
> 
> Drive-through and Curbside Pickup can still operate. 
> 
> So Can I still go grab my Little Caesars pizza since there's no dining area?  
> What about the Subway in the Gas Station
> 
> On 3/15/2020 12:20 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Children under 6 will see almost nothing. For people between 6 and 50, it 
> will be largely like the flu. It's not until you get over 50, 60, or 70 that 
> the statistics (that we have so far) start to look scary. If you are a male, 
> or a smoker, or have other conditions like diabetes, COPD, and a few others 
> things will be worse.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/14/2020 7:52 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> In all seriousness, and even with the amount of shit I talk. I do hope all of 
> you are prepared, both in your family lives and in your networks. 
> We are working on contingencies, particularly in continuity for our 
> communities. Our staff is as protected as can reasonably be. We have plans 
> for dealing with customers.
> My home is as ready as reasonable. I even have a quarantine (heated camper) 
> if it comes to it to isolate my babies from the inevitable flu rampage. I 
> have resources ready for my people, and some excess for others in need.
> I still think this is not the end of the world the media is trying to frenzy 
> us with. I'm satisfied with our government's response. The resilience of the 
> average American is unmatched, so the hiccups in response make it more than 
> manageable.
>  
>  
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 8:10 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Three syllables are too much to type. Ouch. That hurt.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/14/2020 5:33 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I can tell you're joking because you said "clips".
> 
> Unless you have an M1 Garand or an SKS.
> 
> On 3/14/2020 8:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Ammo running thin here. I've had to chase off a couple dozen thieves trying 
> to get at my TP stash. So far I'm winning, 

Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand

[Craig House]

Thanks Chuck but that’s way more reel stand than I need

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:51, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Actually Adam that is one of the stands that I was considering. I would like to 
be able to store it away between uses so my intent is not to bolt down to the 
trailer permanently but to be able to move it from trailer to trailer as needed

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 07:49, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Actuallyignore me.  My  idea is idiotic for a trailer.  It works in 
> a van.
> 
> In a trailer the rain and mud would ruin the rollers.
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2020 8:41 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > There's a type that you bolt to a flat surface and it has rollers on 
> > it. You're limited to one width of reel based on where you bolt down 
> > the rollers.
> >
> > This is an example.though I wouldn't pay that much: 
> > https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/storage/bulk-rack/reel/variable-reel-dispenser?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9ZzzBRCKARIsANwXaeIz1Mg2YD4h7gzGfflkRwWvC9fwi4xuocE5CJFk0RzAZUFs11D1z98aApc9EALw_wcB
> >
> > You can bolt that down to your trailer and still use the trailer for 
> > other things.  Set the spool on it and run a big ratchet strap through 
> > the center hole to keep it secure during transport.
> >
> >
> > On 3/9/2020 9:25 PM, Craig House wrote:
> >> Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded.  
> >> Most of the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel.  Occasionally I 
> >> need it for a 5' spool but rarely
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> >> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> >>
> >> For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Craig House
> >> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> >>
> >> Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
> >> expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
> >> 400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
> >> spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in 
> >> between.
> >> I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past 
> >> with no
> >> problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does 
> >> anyone have
> >> a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
> >> recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
> >> though.
> >> '
> >> Craig
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Seems
Like it might be a bit much for my needs.  Do you have any pics of it ?  

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> On Mar 9, 2020, at 20:58, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> If you want, we can pull it off the truck. Not sure it still works. You 
> can have it for the cost of the freight.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:56 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> I just loaded a hydraulic adjustable one on a truck that is going to RB
> auctions in SLC...
> 
> -----Original Message- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded. Most of
> the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel. Occasionally I need it for a 5'
> spool but rarely
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
> expected. Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
> 400-500 lbs. I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
> spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between.
> I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no
> problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch. Does anyone have
> a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
> recommendation? Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
> though.
> '
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded.  Most of the 
time I just need it for a 24-30" reel.  Occasionally I need it for a 5' spool 
but rarely

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I 
expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is 
400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5' 
spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between. 
I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no 
problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have 
a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth 
recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire 
though.
'
Craig

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[AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I expected.  
Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is 400-500 lbs.  I 
would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5' spool of 7/8" coax for 
two way work and for basically anything in between.  I've used the traditional 
cable screw jack stand type in the past with no problem and I have also used a 
ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have a preferred type of cable spool 
stand that they feel is worth recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 
30" spools of guy wire though.
'
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Re: [AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb

[Craig House]

Nope. Just figured there might be a few on a shelf someone wants gone

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> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:40, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a reason you can't just use a gen 2?
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:54 AM Craig House  
>> wrote:
>> Anyone have a working Baicells gen 1 enb for sale?  How much?  Off list 
>> please
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Re: [AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb

[Craig House]

Enb

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> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:04, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> eNB or UE?
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:56 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Ask again in a month, I bet you'll have a bunch of them.  ;-)
>> 
>> SWG has them for $50.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>> From: "Craig House" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:54:09 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb
>> 
>> Anyone have a working Baicells gen 1 enb for sale?  How much?  Off list 
>> please
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Re: [AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb

[Craig House]

The base stations? Tower side?

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> On Feb 14, 2020, at 10:57, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ask again in a month, I bet you'll have a bunch of them.  ;-)
> 
> SWG has them for $50.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> From: "Craig House" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:54:09 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb
> 
> Anyone have a working Baicells gen 1 enb for sale?  How much?  Off list please
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[AFMUG] Enb gen1 wtb

[Craig House]

Anyone have a working Baicells gen 1 enb for sale?  How much?  Off list please

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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Craig House]

I would agree. Especially since I am a control freak anyway. Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me. My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend. What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car? If the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers 
seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI? 
They are not technically driving. And considering this is just the beginning of 
the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws 
on the books regarding this? I'm sure the states are already scrambling to 
figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines. I'm certainly not promoting 
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that 
will be sent all the way to the top at some point. 

Craig 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 



Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops. Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress. Implications for self driving cars? 



"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement. 



tl;dr – driving is fun 



[ 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
 | 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
 ] 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 




No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 





On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White < [ mailto:dwh...@atheral.com | 
dwh...@atheral.com ] > wrote: 





German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars. 






Daniel White 
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations 


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 


Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56: 


BQ_BEGIN


Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android 





We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep. 

















Ryan Hill 


Operations Manager 


Amplex I nternet 


(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 


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On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] > < 
[ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] > wrote: 





Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West. I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping. Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control. Also 
am apt to take my hands off the wheel. 





I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control. At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it. The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive. Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console. Very 
difficult to program in a destination address. 





Never drove a Mercedes before. Not likely to again. 


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Re: [AFMUG] 900 mhz PMP100 (LASTCALL)

[Craig House]

We threw away 100 of them last month

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> On Sep 6, 2019, at 14:38, Andy Trimmell  wrote:
> 
> Going in the trash Monday morning.
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 10:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 900 mhz PMP100
>  
> Anyone have any use for a bunch of 900 clients units along with antennas?  
> We’re moving and they’re either getting sent somewhere or I’m throwing them 
> away. I remembered at one point Cambium was taking some for overseas projects 
> to get internet to grief stricken areas.  Anyone?
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question

[Craig House]

Awesome. Thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2019, at 22:07, Edward H. Winters  wrote:
> 
> A pneumatic drill to make the holes;
> https://www.atlascopco.com/en-us/construction-equipment/products/handheld/rock-drills/pneumatic-rock-drills/BBD15ET
> 
> Then pipe and a funnel to get the stuff down in the holes.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/26/19 8:39 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > That’s cool I didn’t know such a thing existed. But that poses another 
> > problem how do I get it into the rock that I want to demolish that is 7 
> > feet down in an 18 inch diameter hole. Oh the logistics fun I run into
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Aug 26, 2019, at 21:36, Edward H. Winters  wrote:
> >>
> >> Then use a non explosive demolition agent.
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-explosive_demolition_agents
> >> https://www.dexpan.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/24/19 3:09 PM, Craig House wrote:
> >>> Not sure blasting is an option. It is 3' from the customers house
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:07:44 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question
> >>>
> >>> Drill and blast.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Craig House  
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are setting 60’ utility poles for customers and bought our own auger 
> >>>> truck and core barrel to do the work. It all has been going well up 
> >>>> until yesterday. We don’t have use The core barrel very often. Most of 
> >>>> the time the core comes out after you get it cut. However yesterday, we 
> >>>> cored down to the depth we needed but the rock core did not break off to 
> >>>> pull it out of the hole. Has anyone out there had any experience with 
> >>>> something like this what is the next step to get the core to break out? 
> >>>> Normally we wiggle the barrel around a little bit and the core comes 
> >>>> right out. In this case it will not break loose.
> >>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question

[Craig House]

That’s cool I didn’t know such a thing existed. But that poses another problem 
how do I get it into the rock that I want to demolish that is 7 feet down in an 
18 inch diameter hole.  Oh the logistics fun I run into 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2019, at 21:36, Edward H. Winters  wrote:
> 
> Then use a non explosive demolition agent.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-explosive_demolition_agents
> https://www.dexpan.com/
> 
> 
> On 8/24/19 3:09 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > Not sure blasting is an option. It is 3' from the customers house
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Chuck McCown" 
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:07:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question
> > 
> > Drill and blast.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> >>
> >> We are setting 60’ utility poles for customers and bought our own auger 
> >> truck and core barrel to do the work. It all has been going well up until 
> >> yesterday. We don’t have use The core barrel very often. Most of the time 
> >> the core comes out after you get it cut. However yesterday, we cored down 
> >> to the depth we needed but the rock core did not break off to pull it out 
> >> of the hole. Has anyone out there had any experience with something like 
> >> this what is the next step to get the core to break out? Normally we 
> >> wiggle the barrel around a little bit and the core comes right out. In 
> >> this case it will not break loose.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain

[Craig House]

That’s a great description but if your like me you want to know what 10 feels 
like.  Trust
Me it feels just about like 120v 

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> On Aug 24, 2019, at 17:34,   wrote:
> 
> I have set at about 50%. Almost feels like getting into 120 AC without the 
> pain. I think it said it is 80 Hz and 70 volts.
> 
> -Original Message----- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:12 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain
> 
> My wife uses a TENS as well almost nightly for shoulder and neck problems. 
> She swears by it. I personally have used it a few times for lower back pain 
> but I cant stand the sensation if it is turned up too much. She has a much 
> higher tolerance for it than I do so I cant let her set it or it feels like 
> she turns loose a hornets nest on my back.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:09:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain
> 
> Wearing TENS now. Odd sensation.  How long before I will know if it is 
> helping?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 24, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Jay Weekley  
> > wrote:
> >
> > You should probably be able to pick one up from a drug store. Mine came 
> > from Walgreens I think.
> >
> > Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> It might help. I know if I press my left thumb at the upper portion of 
> >> my pelvis in just the right spot, I can kill most of the pain when 
> >> walking. So nerve stuff helps and TENS does work on nerves. I guess my 
> >> wife will get to enjoy her favorite drug of choice, Intra Visa injections 
> >> of Amazon.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:17 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain
> >>
> >> A TENS unit helps me. I'm not sure if it's making the pain go away or
> >> if I'm just distracted from it by being electrocuted.
> >>
> >> Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>> Once or twice a year, I sit down wrong, or sneeze or just reach for 
> >>> something and my back will put me on the floor. Days of almost not being 
> >>> able to walk, yelling in pain to just roll over in bed.
> >>> Some years I take an IM torodol injection (or whatever its generic is 
> >>> called nowadays). Or I just take huge does of Tylenol and Motrin. I 
> >>> have tried the ice packs, hot baths, elastic belts etc. Nothing but 
> >>> massive doses of NSAIDs seem to work and they take time.
> >>> Have not had an MRI but the interwebs seem to think this is a very 
> >>> common thing and that I am doing what most do.
> >>> Not sure if they sell MJ out in Wendover Nevada yet, but I am only 99 
> >>> miles away. At least today I can walk.
> >>> Anyone have any secret therapy's for this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain

[Craig House]

My wife uses a TENS as well almost nightly for shoulder and neck problems.  She 
swears by it.  I personally have used it a few times for lower back pain but I 
cant stand the sensation if it is turned up too much.  She has a much higher 
tolerance for it than I do so I cant let her set it or it feels like she turns 
loose a hornets nest on my back.



- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:09:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain

Wearing TENS now. Odd sensation.  How long before I will know if it is helping?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> You should probably be able to pick one up from a drug store. Mine came from 
> Walgreens I think.
> 
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> It might help.  I know if I press my left thumb at the upper portion of my 
>> pelvis in just the right spot, I can kill most of the pain when walking.  So 
>> nerve stuff helps and TENS does work on nerves.  I guess my wife will get to 
>> enjoy her favorite drug of choice, Intra Visa injections of Amazon.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:17 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Back pain
>> 
>> A TENS unit helps me.  I'm not sure if it's making the pain go away or
>> if I'm just distracted from it by being electrocuted.
>> 
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> Once or twice a year, I sit down wrong, or sneeze or just reach for 
>>> something and my back will put me on the floor. Days of almost not being 
>>> able to walk, yelling in pain to just roll over in bed.
>>> Some years I take an IM torodol injection (or whatever its generic is 
>>> called nowadays).  Or I just take huge does of Tylenol and Motrin.  I have 
>>> tried the ice packs, hot baths, elastic belts etc.  Nothing but massive 
>>> doses of NSAIDs seem to work and they take time.
>>> Have not had an MRI but the interwebs seem to think this is a very common 
>>> thing and that I am doing what most do.
>>> Not sure if they sell MJ out in Wendover Nevada yet, but I am only 99 miles 
>>> away.  At least today I can walk.
>>> Anyone have any secret therapy's for this?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question

[Craig House]

Not sure blasting is an option.  It is 3' from the customers house


- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:07:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rock coring question

Drill and blast.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> We are setting 60’ utility poles for customers and bought our own auger truck 
> and core barrel to do the work.   It all has been going well up until 
> yesterday. We don’t have use The core barrel very often. Most of the time the 
> core comes out after you get it cut. However yesterday, we cored down to the 
> depth we needed but the rock core did not break off to pull it out of the 
> hole.  Has anyone out there had any experience with something like this what 
> is the next step to get the core to break out?   Normally we wiggle the 
> barrel around a little bit and the core comes right out. In this case it will 
> not break loose. 
> 
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[AFMUG] Rock coring question

[Craig House]

We are setting 60’ utility poles for customers and bought our own auger truck 
and core barrel to do the work.   It all has been going well up until 
yesterday. We don’t have use The core barrel very often. Most of the time the 
core comes out after you get it cut. However yesterday, we cored down to the 
depth we needed but the rock core did not break off to pull it out of the hole. 
 Has anyone out there had any experience with something like this what is the 
next step to get the core to break out?   Normally we wiggle the barrel around 
a little bit and the core comes right out. In this case it will not break 
loose. 

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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Craig House]

It does work. I use it frequently 


- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:40:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tecnu 

The best skunk on dog remedy is a blend of hydrogen peroxide (the strongest you 
can get at the drugsore) and baking soda. Mixed on the dog. Chemically 
denatures the stink. 
I think for poison ivy/oak, a mental treatment may be more effective. Weed is 
legal in Illinois now, right? 
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] tecnu 


There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil from 
poison ivy/oak if you use it right away. Can anyone verify? 



Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you, 
along with running cool water. Kind of like the products they sell at pet 
stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if you buy it before the 
actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and also have a hose. 



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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[Craig House]

That’s why I asked.  80 ghz at up to 2 miles here and they work pretty 
flawlessly   Pita to align but value is there for the capacity.  We used Siklu 
and have haven’t touched them since we installed them but that hasn’t been a 
long time yet.  6 months or so 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2019, at 16:43, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Ditto
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Daniel White" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:36:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz
> 
> For the short shots... don't discount 80GHz.  You could probably push that 
> out to 3 miles in your neck of the woods.
> 
> Siklu and SIAE are probably the two to look at there.  Both have 10Gbps 
> options at what the microwave 1Gbps is going to cost you.
> 
>   
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> 
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 5/25/19 15:19:
> Most of them would be minimum 1 mile to a max of perhaps 10 miles. 
>  
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:12 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz
>  
> How long of shot?
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:02:03 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz
>  
> Need to shoot some backbone links to subdivisions with perhaps 50 or 100 
> homes.  Fiber to the home but I have to build out to them so microwave to the 
> remote for now.  High number of subs it works out to about 4 Mbps per sub.  
> So 100 homes would be just fine with 500 Mbps link.  However it is hard to 
> sell Gig accounts if you cannot burst to Gig.
>  
> Trying to pick the radios.  Have not bought a microwave radio for some time 
> and not sure what is the best choice.  I used to love SAF but I know there 
> are new choices and lower cost choices out there now.
>  
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> dependable.  What would you use?
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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[Craig House]

How long of shot? 

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:02:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz 

Need to shoot some backbone links to subdivisions with perhaps 50 or 100 homes. 
Fiber to the home but I have to build out to them so microwave to the remote 
for now. High number of subs it works out to about 4 Mbps per sub. So 100 homes 
would be just fine with 500 Mbps link. However it is hard to sell Gig accounts 
if you cannot burst to Gig. 
Trying to pick the radios. Have not bought a microwave radio for some time and 
not sure what is the best choice. I used to love SAF but I know there are new 
choices and lower cost choices out there now. 
Looking for recommendations. Bang for the buck but also very solid and 
dependable. What would you use? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Missouri

[Craig House]

Yeah we’ve had a few problems. One silo that got took out by a tornado about 
two weeks ago replaced it with a 45G the next day. Since then it’s been 
tornadoes almost every night or every other night.  Been a ridiculous amount of 
rain. I think we’ve had over 10 inches here just this week.  Three people got 
killed in a town about 30 minutes from where I live and our state capital kind 
of got hit pretty hard Jefferson City two nights ago.  Of course there’s the 
normal lightning damage to equipment and the incessant rain that keep you from 
getting anything done to repair it. Which spawns the unhappy customers. But 
considering the amount of violent weather we’ve had, we’re faring pretty well.  
 Sleep would be nice again 

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> On May 24, 2019, at 19:02, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I was confused. You OK?
> 
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> > On May 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Craig House  wrote:
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> > Yeah. I’m in Missouri. Jay is in Alabama 
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> >> On May 24, 2019, at 17:34, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Missouri?
> >> 
> >> I thought they were in 'Bama?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> bp
> >> 
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> >>> On 5/24/2019 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>> How are Jay and Jay?
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Re: [AFMUG] Missouri

[Craig House]

We’re taking care of that storm
Average here for you this year.  Already about 40-50 tornados just this month 

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> On May 24, 2019, at 18:21, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:
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> 
> And no storms!   :)
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> - Reply message -
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> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Missouri
> Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 5:57 PM
> 
> The Jay (Fuller and Weekley) team is in Alabama thankful for some good though 
> hot weather.
> 
> Craig House wrote:
>> Yeah. I’m in Missouri.  Jay is in Alabama 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On May 24, 2019, at 17:34, Bill Prince  wrote:
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>>>> Missouri?
>>>> 
>>>> I thought they were in 'Bama?
>>>> 
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>>>> bp
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Re: [AFMUG] Missouri

[Craig House]

Yeah. I’m in Missouri.  Jay is in Alabama 

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> On May 24, 2019, at 17:34, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Missouri?
> 
> I thought they were in 'Bama?
> 
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> 
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> On 5/24/2019 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > How are Jay and Jay?
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Re: [AFMUG] Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

[Craig House]

Appears you must request a quote.  What is the price for such a device that 
guarantees protection for 10 years ? Can’t be that hard to install you would 
think 

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> On May 21, 2019, at 22:23, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had a conversation with another tower owner tonight regarding active 
> lightning suppressing.
> 
> https://www.preventlightning.com/
> 
> The theory sounds good, and I've seen similar things installed on at 
> least one other tower. My question -- does it actually work? And if 
> so, why is it not standard fare on towers? If I'm putting in a 160,000 
> commercial tower, why wouldn't one of these things just go on top of it?
> 
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[AFMUG] Baicells enb repair

[Craig House]

Anyone offer repairs on 3.65 enb units with any success ?

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Re: [AFMUG] ODD : Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

[Craig House]

I think everybody on the list got one someone sent it to the list

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Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

[Craig House]

That seems to me like a winning plan. If they take a lot longer to build out 
than they think, and you know they will, then they are paying you longer than 
they planned to and have a need to keep you on retainer to help with problems 
for longer. Plus for them it is an instant revenue stream and customer base and 
has to seem attractive to them. 

Craig 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:51:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network? 



How about this. Offer to sell them your assets in that area for $1 plus 50% of 
all revenue from wireless customers until they are converted to fiber. One 
month assistance with taking over the network, after that they pay $X per hour 
if they need help. They would take over all costs including bandwidth. 



How much revenue you got would depend on how long they took to convert the 
customers over to fiber. Once the fiber build was complete, they could choose 
to shut down the wireless network and force the remaining customers to switch, 
otherwise they would continue paying your share of the wireless revenue. 



If they build the fiber quick, you wouldn’t get that much money, but you would 
never be in the position of costs exceeding revenue, whatever you receive would 
be all profit. 



This might also have some tax advantages over a one-time cash buyout. 






From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:21 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network? 




Yeah, I was going to point this out too. If your town succeeds at this, then 
they are either smarter than an average town government or they're very lucky. 



Have they actually hung any fiber yet? Does the town own the poles, or are they 
owned by the electric and phone company? I bet they had a consultant or the 
town IT guy who has done the research and is telling them that it'll cost 
$x/mile or $x/pole or some such. Then they'll go apply to the incumbent 
utilities and suddenly say "Make-ready? What's make-ready?" If they're not 
smart (or don't have strong engineering support) they'll end up spending all 
their money upgrading the power company's system. 



I've also found that certain major cable companies are experts at being 
obstructive. At least that's true in these parts. 



Or you can make the play AT&T did against Google Fiber: keep tabs on where 
they're building and run along ahead of them upgrading your network and making 
special offers to your customers. 



-Adam 



On 3/5/2019 6:49 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 




And even worse trying run then one they are substantially complete. 


On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 5:39 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 





Muni fiber has a lousy track record of actually completing functional networks. 





From: Christopher Gray 


Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:26 PM 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network? 





I’ve made several inquiries. Originally, I was on the bid list to actually be 
the ISP on the network, but they went municipal to skip the bidding process 
(the committee decided it would be easier to do, and I understand their 
perspective). They are not allowing any other interaction with outside 
companies, but the committee says after the first contract is up they may make 
it open… which is 3 years out. 



I’ll I hadn’t thought about how long it will take relative to losing customers, 
thank you for pointing that out. They’re currently estimating almost a year to 
get the whole town connected. I’m seeing some good ideas to share as part of a 
proposal. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 5:39 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network? 




Would it make more sense to inquire about an arrangement where you could resell 
the FTTH service to your current customers? Assumption being that you would get 
a lower wholesale price that you could mark up to the same retail price, also 
probably some arrangement where you would do part of the installation work and 
handle first level tech support, let customers keep their email addresses, 
etc.? 



I assume they won’t complete the FTTH build overnight, so this would allow for 
a gradual transition. You could migrate customers to FTTH as it passed their 
house, and eventually decommission your WISP gear in that area. 



If you can’t sell and instead decide to just turn off the lights and close the 
door behind you, but then it takes the FTTH build another 6 months to reach all 
the customers, there are going to be a bunch of pissed off residents. 



If they expect you to keep serving fewer and fewer customers as they deploy 
their fiber, it’s like expecting you to dig your own grave. Yes, some customers 
may not swit

Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters

[Craig House]

POE when it’s powered affects the repeater equipment regardless of whether it’s 
from the manufacturer supplied power supply or a net tonics switch. Andean even 
one case it was from an old CMM micro. It would immediately cause noise as soon 
as the power lights on the radios would come on. What I did not try was seeing 
if there would be any noise while the cable had power but not plugged into the 
radio. I would tend to think if there is no power draw and no ethernet link 
there would not be interference. But now that I think about it most of those 
radios don’t establish an ethernet link that early in the boot up process. So 
I’m more inclined to believe it’s the power draw from the radio creating the 
interference but it seems to be present regardless of the POE device or the 
length of the cable

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> On Mar 1, 2019, at 08:39, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> POE when it's powered, but does that mean the POE on the ground is effecting 
> gear on the top or do you have cat5 plugged in and it could be the DC in your 
> cable to the radio?
> 
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>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:15 PM Craig House  
>> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure it is the POE.  The problem shows up on the spectrum 
>> analyzer as soon as the POE ports power on.  Before the radio has even the 
>> remotest chance of fully booting up.  I'm not sure however if that would be 
>> the case if the radio was not even on the other end of the cable that had 
>> POE power.  If I recall we eliminated the noise when we removed the POE CAT5 
>> from the radio even when it still had power.  Possibly due to power draw on 
>> the cable I suppose.  I think we probably should look at the double shielded 
>> cable   I'll try that first.  We already use metal tower boxes.  Thanks 
>> again Daniel.  You have always been a big help spanning the last 15 years.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Daniel White" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters
>> 
>> If these are all water tanks, you would probably be best served running 
>> Fiber + DC to a small box at the top and use double-shielded cable from the 
>> Netonix to the radios.  I would use a metal enclosure so no noise from the 
>> switch should be an issue.  Some FP-1204 from Shireen would do the trick for 
>> the cable run.
>> 
>> This would be far easier and less costly then conduit, liquid tight, or 
>> running brand new cables to each radio.
>> 
>> Of course those solutions only work if it is the cable, and not the radio 
>> itself causing the issue.
>> 
>>  
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> 
>> Craig House wrote on 2/28/19 20:44:
>> It doesn't seem  to be a particular radio.  At one point we were convinced 
>> it was some old 900 FSK radios that we removed eventually.  At one point we 
>> ran coax up to the omni and left the connectorized radio at the base of the 
>> tower which solved that problem at that time but it was the cable not the 
>> radio that was the problem.  We later added other UBNT and Cambium radios to 
>> the tower and the problem came back.  Added ferrite clamp beads and that 
>> reduced the problem but didn't totally eliminate it.  It does seem that the 
>> problem is consistently with on particular guy that is installing the 911 
>> equipment.  No other towers that we have equipment on are as drastically 
>> affected.  Maybe it is his equipment or method of installing but that 
>> doesn't solve our issue since the city and county are wanting us to fix it 
>> since we added the equipment that makes it not work.  We are not using POE 
>> injectors in most cases.  We used old CMM3 when we had the first problem but 
>> that has not been the case at the other sites.  We have Netonix 24 and 8 
>> port switches at the other sites.  I am thinking about the liquidtite but 
>> that is going to be a pain to do on long runs.  Grounding the shielded cable 
>> will be problem midspan because this cat5 is single shielded with the mylar 
>> inner jacket that is easy to cut and would probably not get a good ground.  
>> So replacing all my networks links BH cables in hopes that fixes it would be 
>> a lot of down time potentially for a "Hope it works" attempt.  I dont think 
>> we have our lines anywhere near the feed lines on the water t

Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters

[Craig House]

I'm pretty sure it is the POE. The problem shows up on the spectrum analyzer as 
soon as the POE ports power on. Before the radio has even the remotest chance 
of fully booting up. I'm not sure however if that would be the case if the 
radio was not even on the other end of the cable that had POE power. If I 
recall we eliminated the noise when we removed the POE CAT5 from the radio even 
when it still had power. Possibly due to power draw on the cable I suppose. I 
think we probably should look at the double shielded cable I'll try that first. 
We already use metal tower boxes. Thanks again Daniel. You have always been a 
big help spanning the last 15 years. 

Craig 


- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters 

If these are all water tanks, you would probably be best served running Fiber + 
DC to a small box at the top and use double-shielded cable from the Netonix to 
the radios. I would use a metal enclosure so no noise from the switch should be 
an issue. Some FP-1204 from Shireen would do the trick for the cable run. 

This would be far easier and less costly then conduit, liquid tight, or running 
brand new cables to each radio. 

Of course those solutions only work if it is the cable, and not the radio 
itself causing the issue. 

Daniel White 
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

Craig House wrote on 2/28/19 20:44: 



It doesn't seem to be a particular radio. At one point we were convinced it was 
some old 900 FSK radios that we removed eventually. At one point we ran coax up 
to the omni and left the connectorized radio at the base of the tower which 
solved that problem at that time but it was the cable not the radio that was 
the problem. We later added other UBNT and Cambium radios to the tower and the 
problem came back. Added ferrite clamp beads and that reduced the problem but 
didn't totally eliminate it. It does seem that the problem is consistently with 
on particular guy that is installing the 911 equipment. No other towers that we 
have equipment on are as drastically affected. Maybe it is his equipment or 
method of installing but that doesn't solve our issue since the city and county 
are wanting us to fix it since we added the equipment that makes it not work. 
We are not using POE injectors in most cases. We used old CMM3 when we had the 
first problem but that has not been the case at the other sites. We have 
Netonix 24 and 8 port switches at the other sites. I am thinking about the 
liquidtite but that is going to be a pain to do on long runs. Grounding the 
shielded cable will be problem midspan because this cat5 is single shielded 
with the mylar inner jacket that is easy to cut and would probably not get a 
good ground. So replacing all my networks links BH cables in hopes that fixes 
it would be a lot of down time potentially for a "Hope it works" attempt. I 
dont think we have our lines anywhere near the feed lines on the water tower at 
one site. Putting them all in Liquidtite is doable but on one water tower that 
means about 20 runs of it and I'm afraid of how messy that will end up looking 
vs just the 20 cat5 runs. 

How do the coils of cable help? you cant put them in the liquid tite if they 
are coiled. Seems to be counter to the idea of containing the RF but I'm not an 
RF engineer. 

Thanks guys 

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From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:19:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters 

Craig, 

While I've not experienced this on a network I was responsible for, I have 
helped a few times while at various manufacturers troubleshoot issues like 
this. 

Some tips in addition to what Chuck has written: 

- First make sure to localize which radio it is. Some radios are particularly 
nasty in these cases. Go to the site and turn off everything, then turn on each 
radio individually. You may find it is a common radio at every site, and 
replacing those radios with another brand/type might be easier. 

- Bad switching power supplies can sometimes be the culprit. An easy change is 
to replace the power supply/PoE injector.. ideally with a different model 
(instead of the vendor supplied one try maybe a McCown Tech injector). This can 
be the cause of the radio or cable affecting the repeater. 

- If the interference is adjacent or a harmonic notch filters or band filters 
on the 911 repeater may be an easy solution 

- Double shield cable works well if the noise is from the cable and not the 
radio. Shireen DC-2022 or Superior Essex BBDGE would be best bets... and these 
are also easy to ground with GKCAT5 from SitePro (or something equivalent): 
https://www.sitepro1.com/sto

Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters

[Craig House]

It doesn't seem to be a particular radio. At one point we were convinced it was 
some old 900 FSK radios that we removed eventually. At one point we ran coax up 
to the omni and left the connectorized radio at the base of the tower which 
solved that problem at that time but it was the cable not the radio that was 
the problem. We later added other UBNT and Cambium radios to the tower and the 
problem came back. Added ferrite clamp beads and that reduced the problem but 
didn't totally eliminate it. It does seem that the problem is consistently with 
on particular guy that is installing the 911 equipment. No other towers that we 
have equipment on are as drastically affected. Maybe it is his equipment or 
method of installing but that doesn't solve our issue since the city and county 
are wanting us to fix it since we added the equipment that makes it not work. 
We are not using POE injectors in most cases. We used old CMM3 when we had the 
first problem but that has not been the case at the other sites. We have 
Netonix 24 and 8 port switches at the other sites. I am thinking about the 
liquidtite but that is going to be a pain to do on long runs. Grounding the 
shielded cable will be problem midspan because this cat5 is single shielded 
with the mylar inner jacket that is easy to cut and would probably not get a 
good ground. So replacing all my networks links BH cables in hopes that fixes 
it would be a lot of down time potentially for a "Hope it works" attempt. I 
dont think we have our lines anywhere near the feed lines on the water tower at 
one site. Putting them all in Liquidtite is doable but on one water tower that 
means about 20 runs of it and I'm afraid of how messy that will end up looking 
vs just the 20 cat5 runs. 

How do the coils of cable help? you cant put them in the liquid tite if they 
are coiled. Seems to be counter to the idea of containing the RF but I'm not an 
RF engineer. 

Thanks guys 

- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:19:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters 

Craig, 

While I've not experienced this on a network I was responsible for, I have 
helped a few times while at various manufacturers troubleshoot issues like 
this. 

Some tips in addition to what Chuck has written: 

- First make sure to localize which radio it is. Some radios are particularly 
nasty in these cases. Go to the site and turn off everything, then turn on each 
radio individually. You may find it is a common radio at every site, and 
replacing those radios with another brand/type might be easier. 

- Bad switching power supplies can sometimes be the culprit. An easy change is 
to replace the power supply/PoE injector.. ideally with a different model 
(instead of the vendor supplied one try maybe a McCown Tech injector). This can 
be the cause of the radio or cable affecting the repeater. 

- If the interference is adjacent or a harmonic notch filters or band filters 
on the 911 repeater may be an easy solution 

- Double shield cable works well if the noise is from the cable and not the 
radio. Shireen DC-2022 or Superior Essex BBDGE would be best bets... and these 
are also easy to ground with GKCAT5 from SitePro (or something equivalent): 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=14 . For best effect, 
use every 50ft of cable run and wrap around the outside double shield. 

While these issues suck to troubleshoot... narrowing it down to the radio 
causing issues is key. 

Good luck Craig (hope your doing well BTW!) 

Daniel White 
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/28/19 15:20: 


I would first attempt to discover if it is the CAT5 or the radio itself. 
Ask the 911 guys if they have a spectrum analyzer they can lend you to puzzle 
this out. 
Shielded CAT5 helps. 
Putting in coils at the ends helps. 
Ferrite chokes help. 
Some run it in liquidtight or full metal conduit. 
You can put fiber media converters on the ends of a CAT5 and perhaps fix it. 

But every single ethernet device, every switch, hub, router, radio does radiate 
noise. Just because they passed FCC 
certification tests does not mean they are noise free. The 911 repeater 
probably has a high gain omni and probably a super low noise pre amplifier too. 
So it will naturally be more sensitive to noise than a normal 2 way repeater. 

Isolating it to a particular radio or cable is a good place to start. 

-Original Message- From: Craig House 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:45 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters 





I think I’ve posted this question on here before but I want to try again. We 
have multiple water towers where we have various types of equipment a mix of 
Mimosa cambium and ubiquity products. It seems 

[AFMUG] Interference with 911 repeaters

[Craig House]

> 
> I think I’ve posted this question on here before but I want to try again. We 
> have multiple water towers where we have various types of equipment a mix of 
> Mimosa cambium and ubiquity products. It seems that on many of these water 
> towers our cat five power over ethernet creates RF interference for the 
> repeater. In one instance we were able to install magnets that clamped around 
> the cable which did help enough they stopped complaining. In other cases 
> we’ve attempted to move our equipment from the top of the water tower down to 
> the catwalk to create some distance and installed the ferrite beads with 
> little success at all. I’m tired of playing with ideas that might or might 
> not work. Can someone give me advice that will solve this problem once and 
> for all. I understand that grounding the CAT5 might help I’ve also been told 
> that putting our wires inside of conduit might help or shortening the wires 
> might help. I don’t want anymore might help I would like someone who has 
> actually done this to be able to give me some advice
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] GPS Rollover Heads-up

[Craig House]

Y2k19? 


- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:07:51 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS Rollover Heads-up 

Just a heads-up for everyone: 

On April 6, 2019, the GPS week counter will rollover - something which happens 
every 1024 weeks, or about every 20 years. The last rollover was on August 21, 
1999. 

There is a non-zero chance that the date reported by some GPS receivers will 
start reporting a date in 1999 when this occurs. Most modern GPS receivers 
handle this reasonably well by assuming that the date reported by GPS is after 
the build date for the GPS firmware, which means they will report the correct 
date for 20 years after the firmware build date. 

I am only mentioning this here because I know that many of us rely on GPS for 
various date/time functions. Note that this should not affect in any way the 
1PPS signal used for timing for cambium and other radios since that will be the 
same alignment regardless of what year the GPS thinks it is. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

[Craig House]

https://www.globalxvehicles.com/models.html

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 12:06, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> I don't think there has been one made in maybe 5 years or more. 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:15 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>> Any decent install vans with 4wd?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway  
>>> wrote:
>>> This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost per 
>>> mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014 E-150/E-250. 
>>>  We get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a beating.  The 
>>> new Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and there are few 
>>> vendors.  We are planning on changing those wheels to 17” shortly.
>>> Didn’t catch that when we bought it.  Did find out the 2014 Chrysler Cargo 
>>> Mini-Vans are 17” and bought one of those also at a great price and they 
>>> get good gas mileage.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high top 
>>> long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said that, we 
>>> drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard height 
>>> which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it works. 
>>> It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage. Lots of 
>>> room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes findiing 
>>> stuff bunches easier.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup 
>>> trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be a 
>>> medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts 
>>> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.  
>>> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they 
>>> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or 
>>> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
>>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather, 
>>> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in 
>>> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is 
>>> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Transit
>>> 
>>> Nissan
>>> 
>>> Promasters
>>> 
>>> Sprinter
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul , PDMNet
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Thinking outside the box

[Craig House]

LOL now that sounds like a blast from the past


- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:32:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thinking outside the box




Yep, back in the 1990s, serving riverboat casinos with token ring...

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Thinking outside the box

Got a lake community that we are looking at distributing to.  Smaller lake 
about 2 miles long and 1/2 mile across.  Houses all sit pretty much on one 
road right at the edge of the lake and only 2 decent sized coves.  I know I 
can cover it by putting up multiple small towers on either side of the lake 
and getting pretty much everyone service from across the lake but has anyone 
ever built an AP from a floating surface such as a houseboat that never 
moves or a buoy.  I know power and a stable BH link is still a concern but 
the thought just crossed my mind.

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[AFMUG] Thinking outside the box

[Craig House]

Got a lake community that we are looking at distributing to.  Smaller lake 
about 2 miles long and 1/2 mile across.  Houses all sit pretty much on one road 
right at the edge of the lake and only 2 decent sized coves.  I know I can 
cover it by putting up multiple small towers on either side of the lake and 
getting pretty much everyone service from across the lake but has anyone ever 
built an AP from a floating surface such as a houseboat that never moves or a 
buoy.  I know power and a stable BH link is still a concern but the thought 
just crossed my mind. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

I get the yellow guy marker covers in 8' lengths for about 6 dollars each. I 
have been recently switching to what your talking about. Near the same cost but 
you can cut them longer which is nice if the wire is low hanging on a hill side 
or if someone is going to be driving taller equipment around the area.. I think 
I am going to purchase yellow paint like used in parking lots and gas stations 
to paint the poles once installed. Thanks Everyone 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:44:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes 

I purchase 1/2" poly gas line for the wire markers. You can get it at your 
local HVAC supply store. Cut it into 10' lengths for each wire, and it works 
like a champ. 

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Oh my. What's the address? 


On 9/30/2018 1:03 PM, Craig House wrote: 
> Adam the problem here is not that we don’t use the markers because we do the 
> problem is that this campground allows drunken night time ATV riding without 
> helmets. Apparently would be a great place for some video cameras to if I 
> wanted footage for girls gone wild or rednecks gone wild 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:55, < ch...@wbmfg.com > < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> Back in the olden days, I dug telephone pole holes up to 7 feet deep with 
>> very long handled shovels, spoons and a long digging bar. 
>> 
>> Then we would manually install the pole in the hole with pike poles. 
>> 
>> Don't miss that! 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Adam Moffett 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:49 AM 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes 
>> 
>> Yeah, what Mitch said. They make yellow guards for guy wires; 
>> specifically so people can see them and not get clotheslined. 
>> 
>> It would also seem if somebody could hit the wire, they could hit your 
>> pipe. Rather than getting clotheslined they've wrecked their ATV and 
>> face planted into a pole. Making it more visible would be the key. If 
>> the guy wire would physically cross an ATV trail, then moving the guy 
>> anchors farther out would give it more clearance. 
>> 
>> But I know I'm safely in my armchair here and can't see the situation on 
>> the ground. 
>> 
>> Telephone pole contractors can auger that deep. We had a guy doing 30" 
>> holes 10 feet deep for so we could plant an 80' pole. If you want to 
>> hit 6 feet depth, they might have something at the tool rental place for 
>> setting deck posts. If not, then a telephone pole contractor. They can 
>> go through rock if they have carbide rock teeth on the auger. 
>> 
>> -Adam 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: 
>>> Craig 
>>> 
>>> Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires 
>>> 
>>> to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy wires 
>>> is about 
>>> 
>>> 10 foot above ground??? 
>>> 
>>> We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires to the 
>>> ground lug 
>>> 
>>> Mitch 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote: 
>>>> Yes. Elevated guy supports. The location is an atv off road ranch and 
>>>> they are worried about people getting clothes lined. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:05, < ch...@wbmfg.com > < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 10 foot tall wooden poles for an aerial attachment only need to be set 
>>>>> maybe 
>>>>> 4 feet deep. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or are you talking about elevated supports for guy wires? 
>>>>> If so, you probably need to dig a trench for an L shaped sleeper and the 
>>>>> some rebar in sonotube for the poles and anchors. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- 
>>>>> From: Craig House 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:55 PM 
>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anchor holes 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a tower construction location which is going to require 10 foot 
>>>>> poles 
>>>>> above ground as an attachment point for the wires at each of the holes. 
>>>>> I 
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

Interesting idea 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 12:07,   wrote:
> 
> https://www.sportsfieldspecialties.com/goal-post-padding/football-goal-post
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:03 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> 
> Adam the problem here is not that we don’t use the markers because we do the 
> problem is that this campground allows drunken night time ATV riding without 
> helmets. Apparently would be a great place for some video cameras to if I 
> wanted footage for girls gone wild or rednecks gone wild
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:55,   wrote:
> >
> > Back in the olden days, I dug telephone pole holes up to 7 feet deep with
> > very long handled shovels, spoons and a long digging bar.
> >
> > Then we would manually install the pole in the hole with pike poles.
> >
> > Don't miss that!
> >
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:49 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> >
> > Yeah, what Mitch said. They make yellow guards for guy wires;
> > specifically so people can see them and not get clotheslined.
> >
> > It would also seem if somebody could hit the wire, they could hit your
> > pipe. Rather than getting clotheslined they've wrecked their ATV and
> > face planted into a pole. Making it more visible would be the key. If
> > the guy wire would physically cross an ATV trail, then moving the guy
> > anchors farther out would give it more clearance.
> >
> > But I know I'm safely in my armchair here and can't see the situation on
> > the ground.
> >
> > Telephone pole contractors can auger that deep. We had a guy doing 30"
> > holes 10 feet deep for so we could plant an 80' pole. If you want to
> > hit 6 feet depth, they might have something at the tool rental place for
> > setting deck posts. If not, then a telephone pole contractor. They can
> > go through rock if they have carbide rock teeth on the auger.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/29/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires
> > >
> > > to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy wires
> > > is about
> > >
> > > 10 foot above ground???
> > >
> > > We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires to 
> > > the
> > > ground lug
> > >
> > > Mitch
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > >> Yes. Elevated guy supports. The location is an atv off road ranch and
> > >> they are worried about people getting clothes lined.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:05,   wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 10 foot tall wooden poles for an aerial attachment only need to be set
> > >>> maybe
> > >>> 4 feet deep.
> > >>>
> > >>> Or are you talking about elevated supports for guy wires?
> > >>> If so, you probably need to dig a trench for an L shaped sleeper and 
> > >>> the
> > >>> some rebar in sonotube for the poles and anchors.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Craig House
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:55 PM
> > >>> To: af@af.afmug.com
> > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a tower construction location which is going to require 10 foot
> > >>> poles
> > >>> above ground as an attachment point for the wires at each of the 
> > >>> holes.
> > >>> I
> > >>> have the pipes constructed but I’m concerned about being able to drill
> > >>> the
> > >>> holes in our soil and ground to accommodate the pipes. Has anyone done
> > >>> something like this before I’m not looking to do typical anchor holes
> > >>> that
> > >>> are 6 feet or 8 feet wide and a foot and a half across I’m looking for
> > >>> an
> > >>> auger hole that is a straight 6 to 7 feet down
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

Adam the problem here is not that we don’t use the markers because we do the 
problem is that this campground allows drunken night time ATV riding without 
helmets.  Apparently would be a great place for some video cameras to if I 
wanted footage for girls gone wild or rednecks gone wild

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:55,   wrote:
> 
> Back in the olden days, I dug telephone pole holes up to 7 feet deep with 
> very long handled shovels, spoons and a long digging bar.
> 
> Then we would manually install the pole in the hole with pike poles.
> 
> Don't miss that!
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:49 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> 
> Yeah, what Mitch said. They make yellow guards for guy wires;
> specifically so people can see them and not get clotheslined.
> 
> It would also seem if somebody could hit the wire, they could hit your
> pipe. Rather than getting clotheslined they've wrecked their ATV and
> face planted into a pole. Making it more visible would be the key. If
> the guy wire would physically cross an ATV trail, then moving the guy
> anchors farther out would give it more clearance.
> 
> But I know I'm safely in my armchair here and can't see the situation on
> the ground.
> 
> Telephone pole contractors can auger that deep. We had a guy doing 30"
> holes 10 feet deep for so we could plant an 80' pole. If you want to
> hit 6 feet depth, they might have something at the tool rental place for
> setting deck posts. If not, then a telephone pole contractor. They can
> go through rock if they have carbide rock teeth on the auger.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
> > Craig
> >
> > Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires
> >
> > to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy wires 
> > is about
> >
> > 10 foot above ground???
> >
> > We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires to the 
> > ground lug
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> >
> > On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
> >> Yes. Elevated guy supports. The location is an atv off road ranch and 
> >> they are worried about people getting clothes lined.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:05,   wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 10 foot tall wooden poles for an aerial attachment only need to be set 
> >>> maybe
> >>> 4 feet deep.
> >>>
> >>> Or are you talking about elevated supports for guy wires?
> >>> If so, you probably need to dig a trench for an L shaped sleeper and the
> >>> some rebar in sonotube for the poles and anchors.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Craig House
> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:55 PM
> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have a tower construction location which is going to require 10 foot 
> >>> poles
> >>> above ground as an attachment point for the wires at each of the holes. 
> >>> I
> >>> have the pipes constructed but I’m concerned about being able to drill 
> >>> the
> >>> holes in our soil and ground to accommodate the pipes. Has anyone done
> >>> something like this before I’m not looking to do typical anchor holes 
> >>> that
> >>> are 6 feet or 8 feet wide and a foot and a half across I’m looking for 
> >>> an
> >>> auger hole that is a straight 6 to 7 feet down
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

Chuck. When can you start ??:)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:55,   wrote:
> 
> Back in the olden days, I dug telephone pole holes up to 7 feet deep with 
> very long handled shovels, spoons and a long digging bar.
> 
> Then we would manually install the pole in the hole with pike poles.
> 
> Don't miss that!
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:49 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> 
> Yeah, what Mitch said. They make yellow guards for guy wires;
> specifically so people can see them and not get clotheslined.
> 
> It would also seem if somebody could hit the wire, they could hit your
> pipe. Rather than getting clotheslined they've wrecked their ATV and
> face planted into a pole. Making it more visible would be the key. If
> the guy wire would physically cross an ATV trail, then moving the guy
> anchors farther out would give it more clearance.
> 
> But I know I'm safely in my armchair here and can't see the situation on
> the ground.
> 
> Telephone pole contractors can auger that deep. We had a guy doing 30"
> holes 10 feet deep for so we could plant an 80' pole. If you want to
> hit 6 feet depth, they might have something at the tool rental place for
> setting deck posts. If not, then a telephone pole contractor. They can
> go through rock if they have carbide rock teeth on the auger.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
> > Craig
> >
> > Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires
> >
> > to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy wires 
> > is about
> >
> > 10 foot above ground???
> >
> > We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires to the 
> > ground lug
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> >
> > On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
> >> Yes. Elevated guy supports. The location is an atv off road ranch and 
> >> they are worried about people getting clothes lined.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:05,   wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 10 foot tall wooden poles for an aerial attachment only need to be set 
> >>> maybe
> >>> 4 feet deep.
> >>>
> >>> Or are you talking about elevated supports for guy wires?
> >>> If so, you probably need to dig a trench for an L shaped sleeper and the
> >>> some rebar in sonotube for the poles and anchors.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Craig House
> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:55 PM
> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have a tower construction location which is going to require 10 foot 
> >>> poles
> >>> above ground as an attachment point for the wires at each of the holes. 
> >>> I
> >>> have the pipes constructed but I’m concerned about being able to drill 
> >>> the
> >>> holes in our soil and ground to accommodate the pipes. Has anyone done
> >>> something like this before I’m not looking to do typical anchor holes 
> >>> that
> >>> are 6 feet or 8 feet wide and a foot and a half across I’m looking for 
> >>> an
> >>> auger hole that is a straight 6 to 7 feet down
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

Lewis 
What instructions do you have that says 80% of breaking strength? Everything I 
have ever seen says 10% and the 3/16 wire is 4000#. I still overtighten to 
about 20% to make it feel secure and it usually stretches and after a few temp 
changes it ends up being around 15% of the tensile strenghth? I have never 
tightened to 80%. That being said I still would have the concerns about the 
pipe bending. I am going to back anchor the pipe and I am going to put some 
Sonnet tube over it and put concrete up the pole as well for at least 1/2 of 
the height of the pipe. I have used beam's before as well but I think this pipe 
I got is actually more rigid than the I beam I used in the past. 

- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:18:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes 

You are supposed to tension guys at 80% of breaking tensil strength. On 120 
foot 45g that is likely a 1/4 inch guy on top. Maybe 3/16 on the other 3. 
That and probably 5600 pounds on the top guy and 4400 or so on the others. That 
means there will be almost 19,000 pounds of pull on that guy point. If you only 
want the tower for a few years, don't change anything. If you want it longer, I 
would ditch the pipe, but some 12 inch I beam. Cut the top at a 60 degree angle 
punch 4 holes. Leave the top flange long, bend it over at 45 degrees and punch 
2 holes on it. 
But if course it is your show. If you give Rohn the info and what you want to 
do they will give you an engineered solution in a week for free. 

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 6:55 PM Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: 


Planning on putting a sonnet tube over the outside with rebar and reinforcing 
at some on the outside as well 

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> On Sep 29, 2018, at 18:49, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 
> 
> On 9/29/18 4:29 PM, Craig House wrote: 
> > It’s 120 foot tall 45G Tower. I’ve already purchased and had the pipe 
> > welded for planning on putting it in the holes on Monday if I can get 
> > the holes dug 
> 
> 
> I guess if you're committed to pipe at least fill it with concrete. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

Planning on putting a sonnet tube over the outside with rebar and reinforcing 
at some on the outside as well 

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> On Sep 29, 2018, at 18:49, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 9/29/18 4:29 PM, Craig House wrote:
> > It’s 120 foot tall 45G Tower. I’ve already purchased and had the pipe 
> > welded for planning on putting it in the holes on Monday if I can get 
> > the holes dug
> 
> 
> I guess if you're committed to pipe at least fill it with concrete.
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Craig House]

FYI. I am
Planning on back anchoring it 

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> On Sep 29, 2018, at 18:30, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> It’s 120 foot tall 45G Tower. I’ve already purchased and had the pipe welded 
> for planning on putting it in the holes on Monday if I can get the holes dug
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 18:13, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>> 
>> I would strongly suggest you not use pipe. It had strong compressive 
>> resistance but it is laterally weak. If you put much force on it if will 
>> bend. I beam is the only way to go. You still haven't mentioned how tall or 
>> the face size of this tower. 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 6:09 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires
>>> 
>>> to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy wires 
>>> is about
>>> 
>>> 10 foot above ground???
>>> 
>>> We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires to 
>>> the ground lug
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>> > Yes.  Elevated guy supports.  The location is an atv off road ranch and 
>>> > they are worried about people getting clothes lined.
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:05,   wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> 10 foot tall wooden poles for an aerial attachment only need to be set 
>>> >> maybe
>>> >> 4 feet deep.
>>> >>
>>> >> Or are you talking about elevated supports for guy wires?
>>> >> If so, you probably need to dig a trench for an L shaped sleeper and the
>>> >> some rebar in sonotube for the poles and anchors.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: Craig House
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:55 PM
>>> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a tower construction location which is going to require 10 foot 
>>> >> poles
>>> >> above ground as an attachment point for the wires at each of the holes. I
>>> >> have the pipes constructed but I’m concerned about being able to drill 
>>> >> the
>>> >> holes in our soil and ground to accommodate the pipes. Has anyone done
>>> >> something like this before I’m not looking to do typical anchor holes 
>>> >> that
>>> >> are 6 feet or 8 feet wide and a foot and a half across I’m looking for an
>>> >> auger hole that is a straight 6 to 7 feet down
>>> >>
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