Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

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They have a special going on…it’s pretty “reasonable”.  :-)Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 29, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:I think our definitions of "break the bank" might be a bit different. ;-)This equipment looks interesting, but I have a feeling it isn't going to fit the budget. Plus I need something that can be portable.On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:> Adtran/ADVA’s ALM. >> Will work in any network.>> OTDR on steroids.>> Regards,>> Jeff>> Jeff Broadwick> CTIconnect> 312-205-2519 Office> 574-220-7826 Cell> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -->> AF mailing list>> AF@af.afmug.com>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>>> --> AF mailing list> AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

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Adtran/ADVA’s ALM.  

Will work in any network.

OTDR on steroids.

Regards,

Jeff 

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> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank 
> but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
> evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so 
> I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather

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Ok, that’s funny!Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 11, 2024, at 7:14 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:I got an email about reading maps backward, but it turned out to be spam. Original Message From: "Adam Moffett" Sent: 10/11/2024 5:08:01 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather





Haha yeah, maybe that’s the beginning of the end.




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From: AF  on behalf of Robert 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 12:38:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather
 

I figured we were lost way back when when we tried to get the "spam" tag forced into email headers and the congresspeople of the state of california passed a law forbidding it.   They were worried that election propaganda would meet
 the definition of spam...  

That was the last attempt to make the internet reasonable...

On 10/10/24 2:23 PM, 
dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:







There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather control by the government.  A certain congresswoman made statements about the hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month
 before the election.  Then she clarified that yes she means weather control.  Then she doubled down that yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that it’s a ridiculous lie to say it can’t be done.   I’m unclear on how proponents of this idea imagine
 a Hurricane would impact elections.  It reminds me of the Southpark underpants gnomes.

Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election:
1. Cause hurricanes in red states.
2. 
3. Win!
 
I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think it’s that simple.  I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much information and so much of it is bullshit. 
 If I’m exposed to 1000 incorrect ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an incorrect idea, and that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life –including how I vote.  I can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still feel like I’m a discerning
 and intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as bullshit.   So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know they’re not the stupid one because they’re a smart person.  They did research and got the information, and they’re
 not some idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like “NOAA creates hurricanes” and “lizard people secretly run the world”. 

 
I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media.  Odds are that every single one of us has absorbed some
 bullshit.  
 
We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good.  We are not ready for this power.

 
-Adam
 
 
 


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I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries of weather observation data...  Many, perhaps most,  resist paradigm change. 





 




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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather




 



Come explain this to my whole family, please.  I’ll invite you to Thanksgiving dinner.
 
 
“Here is another fact:  All the records indicate a non linear increase in temperatures. 

 
So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air.  More moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain. 

 
Occam's Razor. 

“
 


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Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Weather


 



I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy theory.  I am not given to any conspiracies.   



 


Today the subject was HAARP.  (Defunct research project to attempt ionospheric heating).   I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP for a while. 



 


Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that could reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting.  The problem
 is, it never worked.  They learned a whole bunch about the upper atmosphere but the initial promise never worked out.  But wow, is there a group believing that the guvmnt can control the weather.  Yes, they can with cloud seeding etc but not with HAARP.  And
 control is not really a good word, more like influence.  


 


I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears. 



HAARP was heating the ionosphere.  There ain’t no weather up there.


Weather is in the troposphere.


Troposcatter can inject a bit of energy in the troposphere but it is 100 times higher frequencies and produces no noticeable increase in temperature. 



 


Here is a fact: Warmer air can hold more moisture.  Something like 7% per degree.  Do

Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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Yes, up to 4x 40 MHz channelsRegards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 6, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:Carrier AggregationOn Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:47 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:In one SKU.Not sure about up and down.  I’ll find out.What do you mean by CA?Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:>G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHzIn one SKU?  Both bands uplink/downlink?  CA?On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 8:41 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:I can get you any pricing you need.My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though...On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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There aren’t a lot left, but there are some.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Robert  wrote:

  

  
  
Who can get $100/mo in a competitive
  environment?  Sole provider sure, but Cell service and cable
  service will kill that pricing.   If you are competing against
  Starlink only, then OK but you have to eat your install costs
  too...

On 10/4/24 12:01 PM, Jeff Broadwick -
  Lists wrote:


  
  Varies by customer and their situation.  If you can get $100/month
  and an install fee it’s pretty short.  Less than that it ales a
  lot longer.  Grants certainly make it easier.
  


Regards,


Jeff 


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On Oct 4, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Dev
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  What is the average time before operators make a profit on a
  sub? I know, variables, but mainly, before or after I die of
  old age or run fiber?
  

  On Oct 4, 2024, at 5:40 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
 wrote:
  
  

I can get you any pricing you need.
  
  
  My understanding is that the G2 will be dual
band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz
channels and still provide all the interference
mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.
  
  
  I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know
now.

  
  
  Regards,
  
  
  Jeff 
  
  
  Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
  


  On Oct 3, 2024, at
6:43 PM, Dev 
wrote:

  


  

I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price,
instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a
ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could
calculate how many decades it would be until
each customer would be profitable (outside of
subsidized builds).

  
On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason
  McKemie
  
  wrote:


  The G1 is expensive enough,
are people actually deploying these on a
large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not
necessarily a deal-breaker - those
subscriber units though...
  
  
On
  Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof
  <khoh...@kwom.com>
  wrote:


  

  
Osborne
  Effect refers to one of the
  most infamous marketing fails
  of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
 
Has Tarana
  done this by announcing the G2
  while all they have shipping
  is the G1?
 
Or is the
  G2 so much more expensive that
  it’s just for window sh

Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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Varies by customer and their situation.  If you can get $100/month and an install fee it’s pretty short.  Less than that it ales a lot longer.  Grants certainly make it easier.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Dev  wrote:What is the average time before operators make a profit on a sub? I know, variables, but mainly, before or after I die of old age or run fiber?On Oct 4, 2024, at 5:40 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:I can get you any pricing you need.My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev  wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though...On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Wimax

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It’s really sub 1GHz frequency Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:Everyone I talk to says the NLOS of Tarana is bonkers amazing.I've always felt there has to be some technology besides simply wavelength and power to get through buildings based on how well cell phones work in buildings.  The uplink from the phone to the tower can't be that much and it can't simply be the 6 foot sectors.On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:14 PM  wrote:



I remember another promise of Wimax.  NLOS
 
Patrick was always announcing super NLOS performance on one product or 
another.  
NLOS with trees, yes.  Blocked by a hill color me skeptical.  

 


 

From: Mathew 
Howard 
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2024 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2
 

Tarana definitely does NLOS a lot better than any of its 
predecessors, but as far as "making every install work" goes, I'm still more 
than a little skeptical... perhaps that will change after I've had more 
experience with it, but I have my doubts. There are way too many variables in 
different NLOS situations for me to just go by what other people say. We've all 
heard those stories way too many times over the years.
 

On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 8:44 AM 
 wrote:

  
  
  
  Jeff,
   
  I know someone who tested 
  Tarana and he seems convinced that it’s the NLOS holy grail that we always 
  wanted.  Like what every Wimax and LTE vendor promised us and couldn’t 
  deliver.  We have a long history in the industry which should make us all 
  skeptical of NLOS claims so I’m curious if it’s really as great as all that. 
  Any comment, Jeff?
   
  When we were doing 5ghz 
  canopy, we bracketed our city with a dozen towers to give ourselves lots of 
  options and we still had to end up saying “no” to half our installs.  
  This is urban/suburban so we’re usually talking about one rooftop or one row 
  of trees in the way.  At most 100ft of foliage to penetrate before you’re 
  in clear skies.  5ghz Canopy would work, but it tended to be unreliable 
  in those conditions and we just found it wasn’t worth the trouble and the 
  damage to our credibility if we installed it.  Our Alvarion VL using 
  neighbors always talked up how well their thing worked NLOS, but their actual 
  outcomes and my own testing of the product told me that it only “works” NLOS 
  within certain definitions of “works”, i.e.: you’d have to willing to accept 
  high error rates and low MCS as “working”.  Anything else built around a 
  WiFi chipset I’d lump in with Alvarion.  
   
  900mhz of course worked 
  within the limits of its bandwidth and high interference, and I’d say more or 
  less the same about 2.4ghz.  
   
  Wimax was an incremental 
  improvement because you could get some predictable and reliable outcomes NLOS, 
  but your NLOS customers are still lowering efficiency of the system due to 
  retransmits and lower MCS, and I never saw a Wimax product that wasn’t a total 
  PITA on the management side.  I bitched endlessly about the Motorola 
  CAP320, but after seeing what some other vendors had I think CAP320 might have 
  been the cream of the crop as far as operability.  LTE was another 
  incremental step up, but at best maybe half as good as it was hyped up to 
  be.
   
  If Tarana makes every install 
  a success then we should give them all of our money and be happy to do it, but 
  it absolutely better work.
   
  -Adam
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff 
  Broadwick - ListsSent: Friday, October 04, 2024 8:40 
  AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana 
  G2
   
  I can get you any pricing you need.
  
   
  
  My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 
  6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the 
  interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz 
  channels.
  
   
  
  I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know 
  now.
  
  
   
  
  Regards,
  
   
  
  Jeff 
  
   
  Jeff Broadwick
  
  CTIconnect
  
  312-205-2519 Office
  
  574-220-7826 Cell
  
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
  
  
  
On Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev  
  wrote:
  

I 
wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, 
sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate 
how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable 
(outside of subsidized builds).



  
  On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie  
  wrote:
   
  
  
  The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually 
  deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not 
  necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units 
  though...
   
   

Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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In one SKU.Not sure about up and down.  I’ll find out.What do you mean by CA?Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:>G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHzIn one SKU?  Both bands uplink/downlink?  CA?On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 8:41 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:I can get you any pricing you need.My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though...On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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BTW, we’ve seen people replace 900 MHz with 3GHz Tarana and the results have been terrific.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 10:19 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:It won’t hit everything, but within 10 miles or so, 3GHz goes through a ton of foliage and 5 and 6 will generally go through a line of trees.  Nothing goes through dirt, but Tarana embraces multipath so it’s quite possible that you can get a solid connection off of a carom shot (mainly off of buildings)…people are doing that all over the place.The interference mitigation isn’t magic, but it’s freaking close.  We’ve been selling it for 3 years, so I’ve seen quite a few scenarios.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 9:43 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:Jeff, I know someone who tested Tarana and he seems convinced that it’s the NLOS holy grail that we always wanted.  Like what every Wimax and LTE vendor promised us and couldn’t deliver.  We have a long history in the industry which should make us all skeptical of NLOS claims so I’m curious if it’s really as great as all that. Any comment, Jeff? When we were doing 5ghz canopy, we bracketed our city with a dozen towers to give ourselves lots of options and we still had to end up saying “no” to half our installs.  This is urban/suburban so we’re usually talking about one rooftop or one row of trees in the way.  At most 100ft of foliage to penetrate before you’re in clear skies.  5ghz Canopy would work, but it tended to be unreliable in those conditions and we just found it wasn’t worth the trouble and the damage to our credibility if we installed it.  Our Alvarion VL using neighbors always talked up how well their thing worked NLOS, but their actual outcomes and my own testing of the product told me that it only “works” NLOS within certain definitions of “works”, i.e.: you’d have to willing to accept high error rates and low MCS as “working”.  Anything else built around a WiFi chipset I’d lump in with Alvarion.   900mhz of course worked within the limits of its bandwidth and high interference, and I’d say more or less the same about 2.4ghz.   Wimax was an incremental improvement because you could get some predictable and reliable outcomes NLOS, but your NLOS customers are still lowering efficiency of the system due to retransmits and lower MCS, and I never saw a Wimax product that wasn’t a total PITA on the management side.  I bitched endlessly about the Motorola CAP320, but after seeing what some other vendors had I think CAP320 might have been the cream of the crop as far as operability.  LTE was another incremental step up, but at best maybe half as good as it was hyped up to be. If Tarana makes every install a success then we should give them all of our money and be happy to do it, but it absolutely better work. -Adam From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - ListsSent: Friday, October 04, 2024 8:40 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2 I can get you any pricing you need. My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels. I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now. Regards, Jeff  Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though... On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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It won’t hit everything, but within 10 miles or so, 3GHz goes through a ton of foliage and 5 and 6 will generally go through a line of trees.  Nothing goes through dirt, but Tarana embraces multipath so it’s quite possible that you can get a solid connection off of a carom shot (mainly off of buildings)…people are doing that all over the place.The interference mitigation isn’t magic, but it’s freaking close.  We’ve been selling it for 3 years, so I’ve seen quite a few scenarios.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 4, 2024, at 9:43 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:Jeff, I know someone who tested Tarana and he seems convinced that it’s the NLOS holy grail that we always wanted.  Like what every Wimax and LTE vendor promised us and couldn’t deliver.  We have a long history in the industry which should make us all skeptical of NLOS claims so I’m curious if it’s really as great as all that. Any comment, Jeff? When we were doing 5ghz canopy, we bracketed our city with a dozen towers to give ourselves lots of options and we still had to end up saying “no” to half our installs.  This is urban/suburban so we’re usually talking about one rooftop or one row of trees in the way.  At most 100ft of foliage to penetrate before you’re in clear skies.  5ghz Canopy would work, but it tended to be unreliable in those conditions and we just found it wasn’t worth the trouble and the damage to our credibility if we installed it.  Our Alvarion VL using neighbors always talked up how well their thing worked NLOS, but their actual outcomes and my own testing of the product told me that it only “works” NLOS within certain definitions of “works”, i.e.: you’d have to willing to accept high error rates and low MCS as “working”.  Anything else built around a WiFi chipset I’d lump in with Alvarion.   900mhz of course worked within the limits of its bandwidth and high interference, and I’d say more or less the same about 2.4ghz.   Wimax was an incremental improvement because you could get some predictable and reliable outcomes NLOS, but your NLOS customers are still lowering efficiency of the system due to retransmits and lower MCS, and I never saw a Wimax product that wasn’t a total PITA on the management side.  I bitched endlessly about the Motorola CAP320, but after seeing what some other vendors had I think CAP320 might have been the cream of the crop as far as operability.  LTE was another incremental step up, but at best maybe half as good as it was hyped up to be. If Tarana makes every install a success then we should give them all of our money and be happy to do it, but it absolutely better work. -Adam From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - ListsSent: Friday, October 04, 2024 8:40 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2 I can get you any pricing you need. My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels. I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now. Regards, Jeff  Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev  wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote: The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though... On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2

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I can get you any pricing you need.My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz.  It will be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev  wrote:I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of subsidized builds).On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a large scale?  The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those subscriber units though...On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping is the G1? Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping anyway?  I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be out the window.-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT deep thoughts

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AC up, thermostat down

Regards,

Jeff 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

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Matt and Nabeel should be reaching out shortly.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Apr 26, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Jason McKemie  wrote:Jeff -I've been working with CTI on quotes for these. I had a conference call in December with (I believe) you and Mark from Adtran. Nabeel recently reached out to me seeing if I needed anything and I asked him about getting an Adtran quote earlier last week, but I still have not heard anything on that front. He did get me the Radisys quote.ThanksJason McKemie VeloxinetOn Thursday, April 25, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:> > Thanks Josh!> I can actually help with both.  My contact info is below.>> Regards,> Jeff > Jeff Broadwick> CTIconnect> 312-205-2519 Office> 574-220-7826 Cell> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 4:59 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:>> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.>> Jeff has some pretty good deals on Adtran stuff.> Not sure what the Radisys product is but talk to Jeff about the fiber/Adtran gear.> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:48 PM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:>>>> I've been trying to get a quote from Adtran for months with no luck. These guys recently came to my attention. The product and pricing looks reasonable, has anyone used their gear? -->> AF mailing list>> AF@af.afmug.com>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

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Thanks Josh!I can actually help with both.  My contact info is below.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Apr 25, 2024, at 4:59 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:





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Jeff has some pretty good deals on Adtran stuff.


Not sure what the Radisys product is but talk to Jeff about the fiber/Adtran gear.



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Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount

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Chain mount.  Chuck has them as does PV and CommScope.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Feb 20, 2024, at 1:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:I think I’ve got some of the Valmont ones on the shelf.  Like everything from SitePro1, they are huskier than they look in the catalog. From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 11:40 AMTo: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount +1 to both of those suggestions.I’ve seen plenty of universal mounts attached to a wooden pole (J-arms, J-pipes, or whatever you want to call them).Rohn WM4 is the name brand galvanized 4” wall mount, but there are a thousand copies out there.  Just watch out for zinc plating or other BS finishes.  I’m sure Channel Master is fine. One other thing, you’re not supposed to drill into the top surface of a wooden pole because rain will pool in the holes and speed up rotting.  You’re also not supposed to drill the sides within so many inches of the top (4” maybe? I don’t recall).  That’s why those pole-top mounts you see are straddling the top and have bolt holes farther down.  If you put a galvanized pipe into one of those wall mounts then you can have your mast above the top and also not be putting hardware at the top.  Electric/phone companies won’t like that solution because it uses more vertical real estate, but if it’s just a light pole then it ought not be a problem. If you do want something heavy duty that won’t break the bank then look at the Site Pro version of the WM4:https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=1218https://valmont-sitepro1-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/spec-sheet/HDWM04%20(Assembly).pdfI don’t know the thickness of the steel stock, but the Channel Master one weighs 1 pound and the Site Pro one weighs 6.8 pounds, so I’m sure it’s sufficiently burly for most equipment. -Adam  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken HohhofSent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 10:52 AMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Or the ChannelMaster 4" offset wall mounts, we call them W brackets. Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 2/20/2024 9:37:59 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole MountJust use a Jpole?  Or an MTOW? On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:31?AM Matt  wrote:I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits Isee online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Justmounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Doesanyone know of anything?-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ken Hohof

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Hey Ken!

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Jeff 

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600

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Yeah, that is completely illegal and that sort of thing gives our entire industry a bad name.On top of that, if you go to sell, you are going to have a major CF on your hands.Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Sep 6, 2023, at 4:56 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:The industry already has solutions to the EIRP problem. Buy international units set to follow the rules in Russia or Hong Kong and then you can run any channel you want at whatever power you want.Alter the firmware on a US unit to enable rules for another country or maybe put it in an engineering test mode with no limitations.“Misconfigure” the antenna gain so you can turn up the Tx power.If antenna gain can’t be adjusted in the config, then buy integrated units with small antennas and then run pigtails off the circuit board to a bigger antenna  You shouldn’t really do any of this, but all of those “solutions” have been seen in the wild.  For awhile you could factory reset AirMax gear and then on first login just pick whatever country you wanted.  I knew a guy who did that for all of his PTP links and I got him in trouble with his boss.  Or at least his boss pretended he was in trouble, but for all I know maybe they started laughing together as soon as I was out of the room.   If I had 6ghz licensed links right now I would be coming up with contingency plans for if/when they get trashed by some jabroni.  Like the private pool is about to become a public pool and you know all the neighborhood kids are gonna pee in it.  It might be time to look for another pool.  Just saying. -Adam  From: AF  On Behalf Of castarrittSent: Wednesday, September 06, 2023 3:03 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 36dbm is max for 6ghz, and that is assuming an SM with built in GPS.  SMs without GPS will be limited to 30dbm.  I haven't used any Mimosa, but I bet they will limit it to the same EIRP if you set them up with the correct antenna gain. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 1:56 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:I currently have a few experimental 6Ghz licenses, where we have been trialing the Mimosa A6 equipment. So far the A6 has not been super stable, although the performance when it is stable was exciting at > 800 Mbps for subs. Also has problems with timing for customers past 5 miles or so. Anyway, I’m thinking of switching gears to Cambium’s 4600 platform to have something more stable. Am I correct in that Cambium is limiting the EIRP of the SMs to 36db? So the 25db subscriber dish transmits into the dish at +11? This sounds like the solution is limited to about 4-5 miles as a result.. Am I missing something here?  Peter Kranzwww.UnwiredLtd.comDesk: 510-868-1614 x100Mobile: 510-207-pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] wispa

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It’s not legit.WISPA has made efforts in the past to stamp this out, but it’s pretty much impossible.Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Jul 19, 2023, at 2:29 PM, David Hannum  wrote:I can't imagine WISPA sanctioning someone selling this list, even if it were legit, when WISPA usually publishes it for free in the conference app.  On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:43 PM Josh Luthman  wrote:This is a scam.  Just because they say they have something doesn't mean it's true.On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 11:42 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
  

  
  
What I don't get is who is this the event coordinator company or
  is someone going out and buying spots and reselling them. How do
  they proffit off of this spam or is it a scam?
I do know that unfortunately the convention industry is just as
  bad as credit card companies with selling your information. Every
  vendor up and down the chain Cvent, GES, Freeman, ChirpE, etc all
  collect and sell your data and/or the organizations as well. You
  agree to it when you sign up as the organization hosting the event
  and by the individual attendee. It makes me wish you could
  generate a virtual identity for attending trade shows. Just like
  you do with credit cards for suspect online orders.
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  I wonder if wispa sanctions this spam?
  

   
  
From: Alicia Paul 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 8:59 AM
To: sa...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Go-Mtc
  

 
  
  

  Hi,
   
  Just wanted to
  do a quick follow-up on my below email.
   
  Please review
  my below email and let me know your interest.
   
  May I send
  quote/pricing details for decision-making?
   
  Looking
  forward to hearing from you.
  Alicia 
  
  

  From: Alicia Paul
  Sent: Thursdy, July 13, 2023, 10:53 AM
  To: sa...@go-mtc.com
  Subject: Go-Mtc
  
  Hi,
  
  We are happy to let you know that the pre-registered
  attendance list for the “WISPAPALOOZA 2023” is now
  available to buy at the best possible price.
  
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  Experts | Decision-Makers in the ISP Industry |
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

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I’m guessing they’d be Libertarians.  ;-)Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Jul 3, 2023, at 3:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
  

  
  
I don't think grizzlies are either liberal of conservative. They
  operate on the rules of food and fear, and maybe not too much of
  the fear part.

bp

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  Third draft:
  Lessee, we can
  presume the bear is a liberal because it got vaccinated.
  So a liberal bear is
  more likely to attack conservatives.
   
  So I think you guys
  are good.  
   
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 7:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.
  

 
  
  
I'm not a democrat

bp

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  McCown via AF wrote:


  

  Not sure the logic of that joke makes sense
  

   
  Lessee, we can
  presume the bear is a democrat because it got
  vaccinated.
  So a democrat
  bear is more likely to attack republicans.
   
  So I think you
  guys are good.  
   
   
  
From: Chuck McCown via AF

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 5:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was
  right.
  

 
  
  

  
Then they will not attack.  They only
  attack democrats!
 
 

  
 

  From:
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  Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023
12:58 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
Everyone was right.

  
   


  What if the grizzly is vaccinated?
   
  bp

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AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  
  

  
.005 but that is attack, not
  death.  I actually calculated it.  

  
Deaths
is .0005
 
Lightening
is 100 x more likely to get
her.  
 
 

  From:
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  Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, July 2,
2023 11:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
OT Everyone was right.

  
   


  My wife wants to know the
micromorts for death by grizzly bear
when backpacking in Yellowstone
National Park.
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT...killing..."It has begun " with dinner

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:-)

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> On Mar 27, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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> 
> Here you go Jeff..
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Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

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Stop it please.  I enjoy this list for tidbits of industry info and it’s friendly banter.  I’m even interested in Jaime’s breakfast and weather girls.If the politics was light and friendly, I’d be all in…this is anything but.Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Mar 25, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Jan-GAMs  wrote:
  

  
  
Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers
  watch.  FOX.  Documented liars, well documented liars.  They make
  shit up and present it as fact.  This has been admitted to by
  their owner Murdock.  They make up news just to drive their
  advertisement income.  Why the hell should anyone watch that
  channel is beyond belief.  The problem is, this has been a known
  factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. 
  Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS"
  channel can present as truth and still have a license to
  broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source.  Especially
  FOX.  Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the
  '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts and brought
  in news reporting as hype.  Facts and news have been at odds since
  Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news.  Real news
  may never recover.

On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote:


  
  Evan and others,


You guys really are delusional if you don't see
  what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least
  call them out if you're going to vote their way.


Everything I shared were statements of fact
  easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources.


It's sad that I can share facts and then some
  want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't
  want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people
  who hold more extreme views than you?


I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate
  that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your
  representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and
  empathetic.


Evan, why are you worried about me for calling
  out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's
  wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on
  human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be
  good people. But there are some on the right who would tell
  your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic
  and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to
  your wife?


Call out the bad that any party partakes in.
  During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or
  destruction of property and I'm in full support of people
  being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on
  January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a
  peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's
  hypocritical.


Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support
  any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support
  good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This
  is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are
  good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so
  let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that
  think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after
  watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people
  with sick minds.


The rest of the world watches our country with
  disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country
  so much that they continue to vote republican. The new
  republican party is far more different and extreme than the
  old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan.


There is no question that democrats are better
  for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and
  protections against employers and corporations. They pass more
  bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than
  the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that
  there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes
  back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so
  we end up in the middle.


Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an
  extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist
  views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's
  likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I
  could

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Cat5 distributor

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We’ve got some non shielded cable under our Apex9 brand.  Could sell it for a good price.  We’ve been sitting on it for some time.Marc Negri is in copy (not a list member) and his number is (561) 200-3642Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Mar 3, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:I've been using Primus with no issues.  Baltic has some, but I had to order directly from Primus last time I needed it. It looks like Primus is asking $200 at the moment.-JasonOn Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:I'm doing a side project and need a few boxes of Plenum cable.  Just 
Cat5e.  I'm only used to outdoor cable, so who has good pricing on 
indoor cable?  I've bought some amazon/Ebay cable in the past.  Is that 
still the best price?    Looks like about $135/box, but I know nothing 
about the quality of the cable, or if they'll get all knotted up in the 
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Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

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Exactly!  You aren’t owed anything!Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Feb 14, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:






Why?




Get Outlook for iOS


From: AF  on behalf of Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 4:54:18 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
 


I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.

If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. 





On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:







Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do not deserve
 anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill. 

 
In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.  That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. 

 
So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.  It is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
 
I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. 

 
Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price adjusted for inflation...
 
What do I need to learn here???
 
 

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange


 



Chuck,

I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen.

Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the work in your area. Is there work in
 the area for your daughter to earn $18 an hour? 

Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you $2500 monthly net.

Going off these assumptions 
Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi

Rent: $1100
Food (No Restaurants): $253
Utilities: $300
Gas?: $400
I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo?
 
I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start.

Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're being serious or not.




 

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:





One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger.  So I did a little comparison for her: 

 
 
My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour.  That would be about $10.70/hour today.
 
(I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the farm from 1960 until I escaped).
 
My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. 

That would be about $18 today.
 
My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982.  Or about $36K today. 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/
 
So how is it people have it so much worse today?
 
 


 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange


 


Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent.  Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move out.

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On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> wrote:






Yeah, that’s a problem for sure.
 
All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and entitlement.
 
Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it.
 
I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend.
I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

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Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent.  
Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have the 
opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move out.

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> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure.
>  
> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and 
> entitlement.
>  
> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use a 
> phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it.
>  
> I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating the 
> same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend.
> I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My 
> monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car.
>  
> I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find and 
> working my way up.
>  
> And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am entitled 
> to more because I exist.” Lol
>  
> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, or 
> have conditions.
> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They 
> still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in 
> language and practice than my older kids.
> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors.
>  
> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of these 
> people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out of thin 
> air without a care.
> There is no accountability or explanation.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>  
> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to 
> learn MIG mild steel welding.   PT/FT flexible hours.  We hire 17 year olds.  
> I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people of today” 
> cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he works from 
> home. 
>  
> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding 
> position. 
> He deleted his post then sent me this: 
>  
> Hello there,
>  
> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've 
> deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the 
> going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. 
> Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future.
>  
> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of candidates 
> will not even walk through the door because other places even in the field of 
> welding pay higher to start.
>  
> What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We have 
> people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a 
> commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is 
> $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as $1600+
>  
> Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble.
>  
> I replied:
> So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where they 
> can have a nice home, car and things?  Wow, without learning a trade, 
> profession or other skill?   Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month.  
> Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have roommates 
> or live with their parents.  And the smarter ones will quickly be making more 
> than $18/hour.  We have exactly zero problems finding as many workers as we 
> need.  So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on $15/hour is just 
> that, unfounded opinion.  I guess your definition of "exist" is different 
> than mine.  You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle or taking a bus to 
> work.  You can exist by eating home cooked meals and making a home made 
> sandwich for your lunch.  You can exist by wearing clothes from a thrift 
> store.  You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix to exist.  Read a book.  
> The struggle IS the journey and is what creates grit and strong character.
>  
> He replied and blocked me: 
> Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no idea 
> what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 because of 
> how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. But thanks 
> for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of exist"
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Re: [AFMUG] fun

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Awesome!

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> On Nov 5, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
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> 
> https://youtu.be/WxQVUNPeWnc
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Re: [AFMUG] RIP: Stuart Pierce

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Dang!  I knew he had some health issues, but no idea it was that bad.

He was one of a kind.

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> On Sep 18, 2022, at 7:41 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Yup.
> 
> 
> https://www.funeralhome.com/obituary/Stuart-Pierce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
> Brothers WISP
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:58:50 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RIP: Stuart Pierce
> 
> Seriously?
> 
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>> On Sep 17, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
>> Brothers WISP
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Re: [AFMUG] RIP: Stuart Pierce

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Seriously?

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> On Sep 17, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
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> 
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
> Brothers WISP
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Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

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TVWS will always be a dog until the database is accurate and kept up.  I fear 
that NAB will never let that happen.

I’d like to pull it into the SAS program.

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> On Jul 20, 2022, at 12:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> 
> TVWS please!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 7:58 AM Ray Savich via AF  wrote:
>> Cambium Networks is committed to the success of broadband service providers 
>> around the world. We are conducting our sixth annual State of the Broadband 
>> Service Provider Market Survey. The vendor-neutral survey takes about 10 
>> minutes to complete. The topics focus on the state of the current business 
>> and vision of trends and opportunities. On completion of the survey, Cambium 
>> Networks will be glad to provide you with a complete report of the survey 
>> results.
>> 
>> Take the Survey
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>> The survey results are expected to be published this summer.
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Myakka

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I can help with Adtran

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> On Jul 16, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Expensive, but it’s their inability to actually deliver product is going to 
> push us to go elsewhere.   Between their screwed up ERP system and the other 
> supply shortages it’s time to find an alternative.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s expensive but hard to go wrong with Calix.
>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:39 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Myakka
>> Mark - how are things working out with the GPON vendor? Can’t say that is 
>> one I have heard of (DZSI).  I’m thinking it might be time to make (another) 
>> vendor change.
>> Mark
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> 419-837-5015 x 1021
>> 419-261-5996 cell
>> m...@amplex.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
>>> wrote:
>>> Josh,
>>> 
>>> I don’t think that was us.  I really haven't done anything I would say was 
>>> crazy expensive.  Yes, 10 years ago when we put this in with the help of 
>>> government money, it was definitely more expensive than than wireless. 
>>> However, I haven't had to do any fork lift upgrades in 10 years.  I'm using 
>>> the same original equipment at the head end.  We still get some lightning 
>>> damage but it is a fraction of what we experienced with the wireless.  Not 
>>> having to deal with roofs in the Florida summer is a bonus also.
>>> 
>>> We are still paying off the loan portion of the grant/loan.  We believe 
>>> doing that program 10 years ago was the best business move we made for us 
>>> and the community. 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>> 
>>> Myakka Communications
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>> 
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>>> Friday, July 15, 2022, 8:40:49 PM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I could have sworn you told us you did some sort of crazy expensive run for 
>>> some farmer that could have been done with PTP600 for a fraction of the 
>>> cost like 10 years ago...paid for by the government...
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 2:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well done.  I am trying to do the same.  Just no guvmnt dollars yet.  
>>> Jealous. 
>>> 
>>> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:53 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Myakka
>>> 
>>> Mark gets some press! 
>>> 
>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dzs-myakka-communications-leverage-government-12271.html
>>> 
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[AFMUG] Myakka

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Mark gets some press!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dzs-myakka-communications-leverage-government-12271.html

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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

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Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.  

If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.

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> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>  wrote:
>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>> Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders 
>> will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on 
>> the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this 
>> stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more room 
>> to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that 
>> I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>> 
>> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a 
>> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from 
>> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't 
>> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE 
>> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people 
>> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>> 
>> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

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The game takes it.  I just tried it.

Need a second word though

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> On Jun 13, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> Never heard of that word.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> How about STOAE? Has 3 vowels plus S and T.
>> 
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 7:04 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> I will stick with my words. Essentially the same as yours, but adding C and 
>>> H instead of D. My 2nd word changes depending on the results of the first 
>>> word.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 6:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
 wrote:
 Has to be a word.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
> 
> but D ? 
> 
> That's got to be Down a ways.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 6/12/2022 6:08 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> That is why my first word is ADIEU
>> Then with SNORT I have all vowels and the first 4 high frequency 
>> consonants. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 6:28 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>  
>> but I like to get all the vowels in the first 2 tries.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 6/12/2022 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Talking only about consonants here.
>>>  
>>> Cornell starts with a T.  I left that off below. 
>>>  
>>> So Morse, Cornell Wikipedia Text are TNS for the first three which is 
>>> covered by SNORT
>>>  
>>> Oxford and Wikipedia Words have RTNS and SRNT which would also agree 
>>> Snort is pretty good. 
>>>  
>>> From: Chuck McCown via AF
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 1:03 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>>  
>>> I play the frequencies:
>>> TNSHRDLCMF  According to Samuel Morse
>>> RTNSLCDPMH  According to the Oxford Dictionary
>>> RNSRHDLCMFAccording to Cornell. 
>>> TNSHRDLCMWWikipedia – Text Messages
>>> SRNTLCDGPMWikipedia – Dictionary Words. 
>>>  
>>> RSTLNECDMA  According to the absolute authority,  Wheel of Fortune. 
>>>  
>>> No doubt T being #1, 2 or 3. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 9:26 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>>  
>>> Of the last 11 wordles I've done, only one contains an N, six of them 
>>> contain a T.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 6/1/2022 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 AEIOU RST 
 Good one.  But no N.
  
 Still sticking with
 ADIUE
 SNORT  It has an N. 
  
 From: Bill Prince
 Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:08 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
  
 RAISE
 
 TOUCH
 
  
 
 bp
 
 On 6/1/2022 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> OK, I’ll show you mine if you show me yours:
> Start words
> ADIEU
> SNORT
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>  
> Wordle was about to escalate to violence between me and my son so we 
> have refrained.
>  
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
> wrote:
>> My wife and I go toe to toe each morning with Wordle.  She is the 
>> only one that I care about beating/sharing/bragging/gloating. 
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:55 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>  
>> Or brags about wordle
>> 
>> On 6/1/22 8:19 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Facebook is a nice way to keep in touch with people from my past.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I block or snooze anyone who uses it as a soapbox.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Adam
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 10:27 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mama says Mama says Facebook is from the devil
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:11 PM
>>> To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really bad 
idea?

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> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter situations. 
> Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad guy.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell  wrote:
>> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to 
>> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and 
>> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it happen 
>> several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
>> 
>> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>> 
>> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
>> 
>> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other 
>> ethnicity.
>> 
>> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they be 
>> ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
>> 
>> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously 
>> eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
>> 
>> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you 
>> also want them shooting perps in the face.
>> 
>> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready 
>> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing 
>> their job because the media said so.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police, 
>> theyre all people
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency 
>> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as 
>> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which 
>> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When 
>> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the 
>> demands will seem much less realistic
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up. May 
>> only the strongest and fastest survive
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>> 
>> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.  We 
>> need terminator robots.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon 
>> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial 
>> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation. 
>> 
>> I prefer a linear equation. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a gunshot, 
>> that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.  
>> Let the cops do that. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Jason McKemie
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more 
>> effective.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school 
>> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a 
>> solution either.
>> 
>> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> 
>> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police departments 
>> so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools. 
>> 
>> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants 
>> notice. 
>> 
>> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
>> 
>> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar. 
>> 
>> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the incident. 
>> 
>> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and 
>> strategy. 
>> 
>> They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I came close a couple weeks ago.

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> On Jun 6, 2022, at 5:47 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Why unsubscribe?
> 
> Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> Probably just as well.  David Sovreen just unsubscribed...
>> I need to quit inciting riots.
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>> Yeah, I think I am seeing snow in hell...
>> 
>>> On 6/6/22 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Now that’s a first!
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 1:48 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>> rotflmao
>>> lent
 On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Darin Steffl  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>>Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening
>>>schools and adding more paid law enforcement?
>>>The solution is and always has been to keep bad guys from getting
>>>guns. It's much cheaper than hardening every public place. Why do
>>>you want to make school a prison? Barbed wire fences, one door,
>>>armed police or guards, etc. That's literally prison. Kids
>>>shouldn't have to deal with that.
>>>They should be able to go to a happy and pretty school campus and
>>>not be shot by a crazy male American. This means making guns
>>>harder to purchase, period!
>>>If you only harden schools, how are you going to do the same to
>>>every other public space like stores, theaters, stadiums, etc.
>>>You aren't. Again, it's back to guns.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 1:38 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>>That’s a fancy way to say you only get to lose a gunfight once.
>>> 
>>>*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>>>McCown via AF
>>>*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2022 1:49 PM
>>>*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>> 
>>>I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry
>>>a weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is
>>>one of the initial starting conditions of a higher order
>>>ordinary differential equation.
>>> 
>>>I prefer a linear equation.
>>> 
>>>If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably
>>>survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward
>>>rescue over taking out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.
>>> 
>>>*From:*Jason McKemie
>>> 
>>>*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>>> 
>>>*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> 
>>>*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>> 
>>>True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it
>>>would be more effective.
>>> 
>>>On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>There was also the shooting down in the south, where they
>>>had a school "police" officer who stood back and did
>>>nothing.   That's not necessarily a solution either.
>>> 
On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>> 
>>>Seems like we should just be giving additional
>>>funding to police departments so that they can have a
>>>regular presence at schools.
>>> 
>>>On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>>> 
>>>How about we let the fire department handle
>>>active shooters at schools.
>>> 
>>>They know how to get there fast. They are ready
>>>to go at an instants notice.
>>> 
>>>They know how to breach any building and rescue
>>>survivors.
>>> 
>>>They have heavy protective gear on, just add a
>>>layer of kevlar.
>>> 
>>>Or give them extra/different gear they can don on
>>>the way to the incident.
>>> 
>>>They sure as hell don’t stand around outside
>>>discussing jurisdiction and strategy.
>>> 
>>>They care more about rescue than they do about
>>>their own lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

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ARISE
DOUBT

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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, I’ll show you mine if you show me yours:
> Start words
> ADIEU
> SNORT
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>  
> Wordle was about to escalate to violence between me and my son so we have 
> refrained.
>  
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 11:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> My wife and I go toe to toe each morning with Wordle.  She is the only one 
>> that I care about beating/sharing/bragging/gloating. 
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:55 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>  
>> Or brags about wordle
>> 
>> On 6/1/22 8:19 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Facebook is a nice way to keep in touch with people from my past.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I block or snooze anyone who uses it as a soapbox.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Adam
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 10:27 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mama says Mama says Facebook is from the devil
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:11 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Facebook is the anti-christ.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:07 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1411496139290536/?s=ifu
>>> 
>>> like this, you cant get the time back, hes right, but you cant get that 
>>> time back
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:52 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> youll regret making facebook part of your routine
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 5:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because I am lazy and already have a FB group.  Since I am checking FB, 
>>> this adds no additional overhead. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:07 PM
>>> 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Why don't we just use something simple like groups.io. Our local 
>>> neighborhood has been using it for years now.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.io/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 5/31/2022 1:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> 
>>> The day Bill Prince starts using the FB page, then perhaps I really will 
>>> quit the email list. 
>>> 
>>> Wish there was a way to automatically post here the stuff that gets posted 
>>> there. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Jan-GAMs
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:54 PM
>>> 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Nothing has really changed, the slime from TV has simply moved to a new 
>>> media: https://youtu.be/tdtGo2Ib9oI
>>> 
>>> On 5/31/22 12:27, Robert wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that would certainly "clean up" some of the color on the list, some 
>>> people will get some automagic time outs regularly..   FB reaches right 
>>> down into your "privates" to make sure you are a good netizen...
>>> 
>>> On 5/31/22 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/433653481449452
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Not really, but I am having to continually work to keep gmail from 
>>> blacklisting this list. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I will keep it running for as long as people want to continue to post.  But 
>>> I realized that when we had our political meltdown last week, I could have 
>>> killed it if it was on FB. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> So time to retire the work horses and buy a tractor I guess...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> (The whole “I quit” thing is an old story, it is how this list came into 
>>> existence in the first place). 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

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Thanks Mike.  I shared on Wisp Talk

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> On May 31, 2022, at 2:19 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/22835829/michael-ray-anderson
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:57:23 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] I Quit
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/433653481449452
>  
> Not really, but I am having to continually work to keep gmail from 
> blacklisting this list. 
>  
> I will keep it running for as long as people want to continue to post.  But I 
> realized that when we had our political meltdown last week, I could have 
> killed it if it was on FB. 
>  
> So time to retire the work horses and buy a tractor I guess...
>  
> (The whole “I quit” thing is an old story, it is how this list came into 
> existence in the first place). 
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Maverick

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The flying was better

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> On May 28, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Saw a review in our local rag. Reviewer felt this sequel might be better 
> than the original.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 5/27/2022 7:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was icing on 
>> the cake!
>> 
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Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was icing on the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Saturday April 23 is National Vagina Appreciation Day

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Every day…

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> On Apr 22, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> News you can use.
> 
> 
> https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/6-fascinating-facts-about-vaginas-that-every-woman-should-know-130031881.html
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers

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There is the minor matter of our current electrical grid not being able to 
handle the load we have now, in some places.

Better start building nuke plants!

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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech gets 
> sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
> 
> bp
> 
> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also better at 
>> torque than diesel and gasoline.
>> 
>> Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>> 
>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon of 
>> gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH batteries are 
>> running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the rough equivalent of < 3 
>> gallons of gas.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance to gasoline in 
>> many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel in many ways.
>> 
>> Kinda ironic...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>> 
>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people who think EVs 
>> are the devil's spawn.
>> bp
>> 
>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving seems to be the norm 
>> now.  More assholes, especially pickups using farm diesel 
>> (black-foul-smelling-smoke).  I been thinking of investing in a stash of 
>> bumper stickers to stick on their trucks that says "shoot me please".
>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks were able to be 
>> arrested before they couldgo fora croaker cruise. 
>> 
>> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during that period and the 
>> generation of party drinkers used it more as a matter of trend.
>> 
>> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise inaccessible due to the 
>> rona too probably playeda huge role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest rate of deaths ever 
>>> recorded due to car crashes.
>>> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another experiment was running. 
>>>  
>>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for driving from .08 to 
>>> .05%. 
>>> Many, including myself, figured that there would not be a significant 
>>> difference. 
>>> But I also commented at the time that this one will be easy to prove or 
>>> disprove. 
>>>  
>>> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving dropped by 19.8% since the law 
>>> took effect.  I think one could say that is statistically significant.  
>>> Glad I was wrong. 
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Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i

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I think some will finally ship out from Cambium late this month…but those will 
be covered by back orders.  We went to eBay to find some for a customer a while 
back.

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> On Jan 12, 2022, at 8:49 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
> Trying to track down a 900mhz PMP450i AP.  Does anyone have one they can part 
> with?
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

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It’s expensive…especially the CPE.  

I think they’ve made several major technological leaps though.

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> On Oct 29, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> 
> The webinar had some strongly encouraging statements from Wisper, a respected 
> WISP. Tarana really isn't forthcoming on pricing so I suspect that we won't 
> like the price tag. I am speaking with another WISP who is looking to bring 
> equipment in for a test. 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:42 AM  wrote:
>> More snake oil or anything of substance?
>> 
>> The usual claims of gigabit, fiber replacement and non-line of sight in 3 or 
>> 5 GHz.
>> 
>> https://www.taranawireless.com/
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

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Yup

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> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense. 
>  
> I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot. 
>  
> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like this:  No way 
> Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have some broad walking the floor 
> with a tumbler of whisky in her hand. 
>  
> But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>  
> Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>  
> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>  
> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>  
> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel before 
> June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make any plans.   
> Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to settle down a lot 
> more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors 
> down to where I was more comfortable in attending.
>  
> As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both Debbie 
> and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the show.  But, 
> unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get everything 
> together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some internal projects in 
> progress we would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at 
> this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>  
> Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll be in 
> vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're planning on 
> attending.
>  
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  wrote:
>> Im waiting for vegas show
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be nice 
>>> to see people in person finally.
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White  wrote:
 Sam,
 
 I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things 
 considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what 
 WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
 
 WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An 
 "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much 
 cherished Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because there 
 are less business/accounting/HR focused tracks.
 
 Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very different 
 feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
 

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> Sam Lambie March 30, 2021 at 14:00
> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a 
> crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.  
> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any 
> more informative and better organized or??
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

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Same!  Can’t wait!

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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be nice to 
> see people in person finally.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>> Sam,
>> 
>> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things 
>> considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what WISPA 
>> was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
>> 
>> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An "Animal 
>> Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much cherished 
>> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because there are less 
>> business/accounting/HR focused tracks.
>> 
>> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very different 
>> feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
>> 
>>  
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>> Sam Lambie March 30, 2021 at 14:00
>>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a crowd 
>>> or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.  
>>> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more 
>>> informative and better organized or??
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited

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It is somewhat more expensive to buy the limited and then upgrade.

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> On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm getting 250 mbps per AP and they aren't even stumbling yet... Love Them!!!
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:49 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> Things only get better.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> roland
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:47 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For those that have done sector to 450M swaps.  Are there any caveats to 
>> look out for?  Very close Sm's having issues, Far SM's not registering? 
>> 
>> On 3/30/2021 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> It's just the MU MIMO.  And you get a 30 day trial that's literally just a 
>> click away (no reboot, no reassocoation, nothing).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:18 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>> 
>> The only limit is the mu-mimo..
>> 
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:04 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M Limited
>> 
>> We're rebuilding a site that is difficult to work on, (very expensive tower
>> crew required, high RF).  There's a tower climb happening that we don't have
>> to pay for, so we're looking to upgrade our original 450 Sectors at the top
>> of the tower so we can run the AP's with Fiber.  We don't have the capacity
>> need yet for a full 450M, so we were thinking of putting up the 450M
>> limited, and saving the $6k until capacity requires Mu-Mimo.
>> 
>> It is hard to find the difference between the 450M and the 450M limited, but
>> I think the only difference is the Mu-MIMO capability. There's not a SM
>> limit or throughput limit or anything like that is there?
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Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS

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We sell a Belden cable and a house brand cable.  The Belden is 16AWG and the 
other is 18AWG.

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> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> 
> 👍🏼
>  
> Also, source for OSP multipair DC cable?
>  
> From: AF  on behalf of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> 
> Date: Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:51 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Matthew Kahle 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS
> 
> Matt can get you pricing off list.
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> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> 
> How its less? The LPU kits are 2 units for ~$250
>  
> From: AF  on behalf of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
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> Date: Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS
> 
> We’ve been selling the Transtector DC Defender.  It’s much more available and 
> costs less.  1101-1110 is the p/n.
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> 
> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> 
> Im wondering if the Cambium DC SS is the best route for our CN Medusa CBRS 
> deployment.
>  
> The 4 pin thingy is really a PITA for field techs.  Would the McCown Tech or 
> any other DC SS are a good replacement?
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Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS

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Matt can get you pricing off list.

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> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> 
> How its less? The LPU kits are 2 units for ~$250
>  
> From: AF  on behalf of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
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> Date: Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:36 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Matthew Kahle 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS
> 
> We’ve been selling the Transtector DC Defender.  It’s much more available and 
> costs less.  1101-1110 is the p/n.
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> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Im wondering if the Cambium DC SS is the best route for our CN Medusa CBRS 
> deployment.
>  
> The 4 pin thingy is really a PITA for field techs.  Would the McCown Tech or 
> any other DC SS are a good replacement?
>  
> Gino Villarini 
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Re: [AFMUG] CN Medusa DC SS

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We’ve been selling the Transtector DC Defender.  It’s much more available and 
costs less.  1101-1110 is the p/n.

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> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Im wondering if the Cambium DC SS is the best route for our CN Medusa CBRS 
> deployment.
>  
> The 4 pin thingy is really a PITA for field techs.  Would the McCown Tech or 
> any other DC SS are a good replacement?
>  
> Gino Villarini 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry

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I don’t want to disagree with your Mom, but...

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> On Feb 20, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> O’douls amber is pretty good.  Basically Bud with the alcohol removed in 
> some fancy way.  I grew up in a pretty hard drinking family.  All the kids 
> drank as much beer as we wanted.  Famous quote from my mom: “you can’t get 
> drunk on beer”.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2021, at 9:44 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> my 2 year old loves beer. If i leave one unattended she will slide in, 
>> carefully take the cap off, take a sip, put the cap back on and slip away, 
>> all super slick. periodically with supper ill put a half ounce in a shot 
>> glass and she will sip on it (may be questionable, but legal) Its weird, 
>> every other drink she dumps or spills, but her little glass of beer she 
>> gently sips and carefully sets down. Im seriously thinking about getting her 
>> some odouls so she can have a cup of beer with me, i never tried it, maybe 
>> its good and ill start drinking that. Im concerned that more than a periodic 
>> taste though even without alcohol will lead to the taste for beer where she 
>> quits sipping and i have a 5 year old drunk on my hands. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 8:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> How about some O’douls?  So some Bud Zero.  I try to be a good Mormon most 
>>> of the time.
>>>  
>>> From: Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:01 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry
>>>  
>>> Well, you can always go full nerd on it and start brewing your own. Here is 
>>> my self built, microcontroller controlled (with wireless access) brewery. I 
>>> brew what I'm in the mood for from my phone app. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 6:39 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
 I've been considering trying dos xx, I been trying new beers, my miller 
 lite is getting too sweet, I found I like modelo negra quite well, but the 
 regular modelo is meh. I did find a place that sells the tecate about 35 
 miles away, going to try that. 
 I wish I knee for sure what my dad drank when I was a kid, it was the beat 
 tasting beer, he claims it was Blue Ribbon, there is no way that's it, pbr 
 is like sugar cane my dew level sweet. May have been Old Style, not even 
 sure that's still a beer though.
  
 Everything is getting too sweet or tastes like it's got some kind of 
 cleaner in it, beer or otherwise.
  
 So old I'm getting super picky about beer. If some filthy crapper showed 
 up with a Budweiser product, I'd definitely tell them to get off my lawn.
  
 On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 5:04 PM Jaime Solorza  
 wrote:
> I have one Dos XX, two Pacificos and 4 Chihuahua Lagers...
> When I get home I will decide which to enjoy...peace
>  
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 3:56 PM James Howard  wrote:
>> If you had said you needed a good beer……
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:25 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Salud
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 3:08 PM James Howard  wrote:
>> 
>> You need to be careful what you ask for…….
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:01 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Did two tower climbs to replace Cambium radios this morning...45ft 
>> each...
>> 
>> My body is telling me I am 65 years old but my ego says 25...
>> 
>> I want a beer
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 2:00 PM Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I may be aging out of my job, spend a lot of time too pissed at 
>> stuff.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I came across a box of some new stuff the boss ordered for the installer 
>> (i dont know if i ever mentioned i got a "promotion" a few years ago to 
>> a "supervisor" position but got cucked everytime i turned around, I 
>> despise micromanagement). Anyhow in the box was a cool elbow fro 
>> protecting cable from varmints, that was pretty cool, i used to keep pvc 
>> and conduit to bend, I wished i had had something like that when i was 
>> installing.
>> 
>> then I see it, i pile of tubes of silicone
>> 
>> FUCKING SILICONE
>> 
>> I despise silicone, it should be banned from the planet, it had its 
>> time, like manual push mowers.
>> 
>> I banned this shit years ago. I put it in the garbag

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Looking for feedback on the Airspan LTE in 3ghz

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

And the stock/backorder situation is considerably improved.

It really does rock in near and non line of sight!  And if you are new to the 
platform, they’ll do a free cnHeat analysis for you for one tower.

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> On Feb 4, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any reason you wouldn’t choose to consider Cambium’s 3 GHz solutions? 450 is 
> having phenomenal success in CBRS, and the cnRanger (LTE) solutions are right 
> around the corner.
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 12:09 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] Looking for feedback on the Airspan LTE in 3ghz
>  
> 
> I was off the list for a few months so I apologize if this was discussed 
> recently and I missed it.
> 
> Looking for feedback from WISPs using the Airspan LTE in 3ghz ideally from 
> WISPs that were / are 900mhz and 2.4ghz in tree covered environments. We  
> evolved out of FSK 900 into 2.4 ePMP and 450i 900mhz and have grown 
> substantially and can continue to grow using these platforms but are looking 
> for something we can deploy 25/3 on and use for additional growth where we 
> have exhausted the available spectrum in the other frequencies.  I would also 
> be interested in hearing how you handle tech support calls on the LTE. We 
> have in house support and CnMaestro has been a good solution for first level 
> to check basic connectivity and signal levels before digging in deeper to the 
> issues. I suspect the LTE interface won’t be quite as easy and will have a 
> learning curve.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Wishing everyone a good riddance...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Word!

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> On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And hopefulness that 2021 will be an improvement over 2020.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Commscope Valuline Remec

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Yup, Cambium/Ceragon has adapters for most interfaces.  I’m sure others do as 
well.

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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any chance your radio manufacturer sells an adapter from whatever mount is 
> already on the antennas?  Like we have gone the opposite way, we had some 
> existing antennas with Remec circular because the original radios were Trango 
> Apex Plus, and we got a Remec-to-Ceragon adapter through Cambium.
>  
> For a 2 ft dish I would maybe just replace the dish, for 3 ft and above it’s 
> maybe worthwhile trying to use what’s there.  Depending on how much you enjoy 
> mounting dishes on towers.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Commscope Valuline Remec
>  
> Yes, they do. I wish I had gone with them initially. I'm looking to use some 
> antennas that are already in the air for this particular link. Apparently 
> Commscope completely stopped making Remec mounts for their antennas.
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Does Radiowaves make what you need?  They are more expensive but we usually 
> like their mechanical design better and they tend to need less assembly work. 
>  Wish they had provisions for a stiff arm on the smaller dishes though.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Commscope Valuline Remec
>  
> Thanks, that's disappointing. I like the antennas, but may have to switch 
> vendors.
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>  
> I'm with CommScope. Just checked with the antenna group and they confirmed 
> that it has been discontinued due to low volumes.
>  
> Thanks,
> Eric
>  
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> Is anyone out there using a Commscope 11GHz antenna with a remec circular 
> interface? Commscope is telling me the interface plate is discontinued, which 
> seems strange since I would think it would be a fairly common type. -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk

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It was.  I meant Wispcon 2 through the last one in NOLA.  Shoulda been clearer.

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> On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought 2 was Chicago (Oakbrook).
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 7:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>  
> 2-New Orleans.  Missed the one in Vegas 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I went to 3 - 9, other than 7.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Colin Stanners" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 3:06:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20060701061713/http://www.wispcon.info/
>  
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Remember WISPCON?  I think I attended WISPCON II in something like 2002.  
> There was some startup called Motorola with a product called Canopy.  Also a 
> competitor called Trango.  I probably still have a binder from the show in a 
> bookcase somewhere.  Not sure if Wireless Beehive existed yet.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>  
> That's how I came to create my email address (part15 Skyline Broadband 
> Service). In my mind this place is still part 15, even though we manage to 
> cover quite a range of topics.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/4/2020 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> One day, mid day Michael was upset because someone cross posted or wrongly 
> posted something about Motorola in a Trango list or some such thing.  He was 
> pretty much a list nazi about that because you had to subscribe to each list 
> and he didn’t want Motorola folks from answering Trango questions if they 
> were not a subscriber to both lists or something like that. 
>  
> In any event he was grouchy and trying to police this kind of stuff.  And 
> then he sent an email with I QUIT as the subject line.
> Then, like immediately, the list serve went down and stayed down.  I was 
> getting emails all afternoon about it and so I had my guys start up a list 
> serv, put all the Motorola people on it and away we go. 
>  
> In a day or two, Michael became aware his site was down and fixed it but by 
> then ... the barn door had been left open.
>  
> I am sure he never forgave me.  But we did it out of a want to keep in 
> contact rather than malice.  We had no idea the meaning of I QUIT.  As it 
> turns out he was just frustrated and the outage was just coincidental.
>  
> Pretty sure part 15 went out of business because of this. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:57 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>  
> What was the deal with Bullit anyway?  Some sort of control issues?
> 
> On 12/2/2020 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>  
>  
> From: Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>  
> Its all good Ken 😊
> Didn’t mean to sound defensive LOL.
> But if I get any more crap, I QUIT  hahahah
> (only us “long-times” will get that reference)
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:29 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you.
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.  
> 20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working 
> aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a 
> bunch of other things.  Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 
> 10 tech phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3.  We are well aware 
> of future proofing and are doing that wherever possible.  I think we have a 
> few years at least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill 
> towers.  We overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak spe

Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

2-New Orleans.  Missed the one in Vegas 

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> On Dec 4, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I went to 3 - 9, other than 7.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Colin Stanners" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 3:06:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20060701061713/http://www.wispcon.info/
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Remember WISPCON?  I think I attended WISPCON II in something like 2002.  
>> There was some startup called Motorola with a product called Canopy.  Also a 
>> competitor called Trango.  I probably still have a binder from the show in a 
>> bookcase somewhere.  Not sure if Wireless Beehive existed yet.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:38 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That's how I came to create my email address (part15 Skyline Broadband 
>> Service). In my mind this place is still part 15, even though we manage to 
>> cover quite a range of topics.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 12/4/2020 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> 
>> One day, mid day Michael was upset because someone cross posted or wrongly 
>> posted something about Motorola in a Trango list or some such thing.  He was 
>> pretty much a list nazi about that because you had to subscribe to each list 
>> and he didn’t want Motorola folks from answering Trango questions if they 
>> were not a subscriber to both lists or something like that. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In any event he was grouchy and trying to police this kind of stuff.  And 
>> then he sent an email with I QUIT as the subject line.
>> 
>> Then, like immediately, the list serve went down and stayed down.  I was 
>> getting emails all afternoon about it and so I had my guys start up a list 
>> serv, put all the Motorola people on it and away we go. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In a day or two, Michael became aware his site was down and fixed it but by 
>> then ... the barn door had been left open.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am sure he never forgave me.  But we did it out of a want to keep in 
>> contact rather than malice.  We had no idea the meaning of I QUIT.  As it 
>> turns out he was just frustrated and the outage was just coincidental.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Pretty sure part 15 went out of business because of this. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Adam Moffett
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:57 AM
>> 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What was the deal with Bullit anyway?  Some sort of control issues?
>> 
>> On 12/2/2020 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Paul McCall
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:52 PM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Its all good Ken 😊
>> 
>> Didn’t mean to sound defensive LOL.
>> 
>> But if I get any more crap, I QUIT  hahahah
>> 
>> (only us “long-times” will get that reference)
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:29 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>> 
>> I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you.
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>> 
>> Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.  
>> 
>> 20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working 
>> aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a 
>> bunch of other things.  Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 
>> 10 tech phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3.  We are well aware 
>> of future proofing and are doing that wherever possible.  I think we have a 
>> few years at least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill 
>> towers.  We overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds.  Licensed BH 
>> links wherever possible.   If I had a local company that could provide 
>> 50Mbit plans for less than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long.  Not 
>> everyone would of course.  ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage 
>> area, and we have lost 4 customers in 2 years to it.
>> 
>> But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever 
>> comes back.
>> 
>> They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing!
>> 
>> I’m good 😊
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Sub

Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

That’s the MIMO Version.  You can also look for the non MIMO version.  There 
are two sets...not sure which one it would be.

Lower part of the band, ends in 15/16

Upper part of the band, ends in 27/28

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> On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 11 GHz 
> 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors but I 
> think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so I’m not 
> optimistic.
>  
> Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a boot 
> loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power went off.  
> Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a “protection cable” but 
> I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP address, the radio seems 
> to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I power it from one of the 
> Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48 VDC in), the POE light 
> actually goes orange periodically for a few seconds.  I had hoped it was a 
> POE or power supply problem, but replacing them didn’t fix it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mexican Political Discussion Team

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Did you even have the sound on?

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> On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:34 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> From last night's news...lol
> <26416>
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

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ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect 
since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so I 
could give them the credit!).

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> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned 
> IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)
> 
> Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com
> 
>   
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>> ch...@wbmfg.com August 14, 2020 at 09:28
>> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>>  
>> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
>> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>>  
>> What are the costs of the others?
>> Sonar
>> Emerald
>> UCRM
>>  
>> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
>> Others?
>>  
>> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
>> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
>> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
>> surcharge for credit cards.
>>  
>> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

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I have a couple theories about the selling market:

1.  There’s never been more cash floating around our industry.  It provides 
options.  There is also a good chance that smaller WISPs are about to be over 
built with government money...another strong inducement to make your best deal.

2.  As an industry, we are about 20 years old.  If you started the business in 
your 40s or 50s, you might be easy to retire.  If you started it younger, you 
might be ready to cash out and go do something else.

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> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I seem to remember this thread started with a post about buying, but there 
> seems to be a lot of interest in selling.  I wonder why.
>  
> Is it because customers are getting on our nerves?  I know they’re getting on 
> mine.  Everyone is stuck in their house doing everything on the Internet and 
> whining about it and waiting until the last minute and then needing stuff 
> right now this minute because we’re 
> streaming/gaming/Zooming/eLearning/teleworking here.  Plus doing construction 
> on our house and the contractors are here right now taking your dish off the 
> roof or putting siding nails through your cable.  Or they’re buying/selling 
> houses because interest rates are like zero or to move away from the virus or 
> to a different school district.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>  
> I know it *CAN* be anything.
>  
> I'm asking what it is for successful, arms-length, nothing special 
> transactions. I do expect there to be a range.
>  
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:28:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
> 
> That can be anything.  There is no connection between revenue and earnings.  
> You can have $2M in revenue  but -$5M in income if you burned cash to 
> generate sales.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Aug 22, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Right, but what I'm asking is that if 5x EDIBTA = Y, then what was Y / annual 
> revenue?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:01:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
> 
> Whatever 5x your earnings are.  Not sales or revenue or gross profit but 
> bottom line earnings on your income statement/ pl. Your taxable income.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Aug 22, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> What does the revenue multiplier end up being, though?
> 
> 5x EBIDTA / revenue gets you what, in purchases that have been made?
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 8:20:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
> 
> 5 x ebidta
> Revenue multiples are of no value.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cjwstudios  wrote:
> 
> 
> 1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on
>  
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It 
> always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I 
> could just build and take the customers if something is wrong with the 
> current network.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > On 8/20/20 8:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
> >> I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > There is/was someone in my part of the country buying up ISPs and trying to 
> > package them all together as a flip. My ISP customers tell me it's far 
> > easier to get the flipper's customers to cancel and switch than buy their 
> > company.
> 
> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] global radome shortage

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Hi Ken,

In stock in Chicago and Texas.  We don’t sell many of them.

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anybody know why there seem to be no Cambium N000900L021A Radomes?  The ones 
> that go on ePMP and 450b dishes?
>  
> Is it because of overwhelming demand?  Or was I the only one buying them?  Or 
> a shortage of a critical component?  (it’s just plastic, right?)
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Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea

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Well, duh!

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> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:01 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> But I like Susana Hoffs
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:40 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
>> Ha.  I save the best pictures for myself...you guys might look at them with 
>> one hand.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 2:37 PM  wrote:
>>> Better than Jaime’s weather girls IMHO.
>>>  
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:29 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>>  
>>> On the topic of “some hotties around when we get older”, YouTube thought I 
>>> would be interested in some live Bangles concerts and interviews.  
>>> Apparently the band reformed and there are some videos from 2008-2019.  
>>> Susanna Hoffs was always a hottie, and I’d say still is.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhhguGo2pA
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 2:54 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ken I don’t know what is funnier, but the fact you know that reference 
>>> about the milkshake and boys to the back yard had me rolling. Thanks guys 
>>> for the thread and the laugh today! And Martha looked good in that shot. 
>>> Gives a guy hope that it is possible to still have some hotties around when 
>>> we get older….. Retirement communities like The Villages in Florida I guess 
>>> can be fun places.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.villages-news.com/2019/05/04/villages-101-whats-the-truth-behind-urban-legend-of-stds-in-the-villages/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brian Webster
>>> 
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:57 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gotta be careful not to mix your metaphors, or someone could get the idea 
>>> you’re referring to the sort of milkshake that brings all the boys to the 
>>> yard.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:46 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I do check google news about 5-10 times a day.  And I have been known to 
>>> click on a pretty face. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 10:43 AM
>>> 
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you are following Martha Stewart or Chelsea Handler, you have too much 
>>> time on your hands.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 10:37 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yeah, my son was posing me.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:33 AM
>>> 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Then you should have tilted your head back so we could see up your nose 
>>> into the prime swab area.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 8/3/2020 8:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that was pretty vague.  There was some clickbait news where 74 or 
>>> whatever year old Martha Stewart did a selfie from a pool looking all sexy 
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> So Chelsea Handler knocked off the same look in a selfie pool shot. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a33408284/chelsea-handler-martha-stewart-photo/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Lewis Bergman
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:02 AM
>>> 
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Martha vs Chelsea
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's because it's Monday, but I don't get it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 8:24 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

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That would be awesome!  Any logo that could include a p51 is a-OK with me!

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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> My money is on Redtails.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington 
>> Nationals.
>>  
>> And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington 
>> football team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors, 
>> although personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red 
>> Pandas.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

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Me too!  It’s so bad it’s great!

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> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> If I’m going to watch a movie about giant subterranean worms, I found Tremors 
> more entertaining.  It may be lowbrow humor, but I’ll take it.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:01 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Dune books, Dune movie, Dune video game. I only have experienced the latter.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:04:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
> 
> My wife was into science fiction.  She always bought these every year:
> https://us.macmillan.com/series/yearsbestsciencefiction/
>  
> After she died, I took boxes of them to the AAUW book sale.
>  
> She also tried to convince me Dune was great literature.  I have nothing 
> against SF, but that’s not my idea of a good time.  When I was a kid I liked 
> reading Jules Verne.  And watching Flash Gordon in TV.
>  
> There are some underrated old sci fi movies, like Forbidden Planet, Enemy 
> Mine, The Day The Earth Stood Still.  Many movies were based on novels.  You 
> could track down the books.  I remember reading On The Beach.
>  
> I used to watch stuff like Twilight Zone, I must be too lazy to read.  Maybe 
> I need a cognitive test.  Person, woman, man, camera, TV.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hwqglc/person_woman_man_camera_tv_hotdog/
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.   There is a 
> lot of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration 
> of a first person shooter.  Boring.   
>  
> Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.
>  
> Mark
>  
> 
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a Starship 
> Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9".  Someone at 
> the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity to Starship Troopers 
> and there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to pay licensing to use 
> Starship Troopers IP.  The director had apparently never even heard of the 
> book and was annoyed at having to rework the movie into the "Starship 
> Troopers" framework.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of 
> it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  
> Good movie?  Stupid movie.
>  
> Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
> the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
> later.
>  
> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>  
> For newer SciFi:
>  
> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>  
> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
> excellent.
>  
> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
> different twist on the sexuality.   
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
> subgenre in sci fi.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
> of them.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

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That taser actually had two shots.  The dude shot them both at the same time.  
Not sure how the cop was supposed to figured that out in a split second.

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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in general, 
> have been given more slack than they should for quite some time. The issue is 
> how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a nephew who is a cop, and 
> I worry about him all the time.
> 
> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting arrest. He 
> grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers are one-and-done. 
> IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only "weapon" characteristics it has 
> are as a thrown projectile. That individual was running away, and was shot in 
> the back. Was that justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a 
> justified homicide. But that is only one example. 
> 
> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is going to 
> come up more and more.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law enforcement. 
>> And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear answers.
>>  
>> A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported armed 
>> robbery is confronted by cops,  takes off running.
>> He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running, should he 
>> be shot?
>>  
>> I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or whatever.  He 
>> may turn the gun on the cops.
>> I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the cop would 
>> yell “stop or I’ll shoot”. 
>>  
>> We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops were 
>> found to have done no wrong.
>> People are understandably upset. 
>> A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by cops, he 
>> took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.
>> I presume the same justifications apply. 
>>  
>> I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading the cops.
>> I wonder how other countries confront the same problem. 
>> If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should they be 
>> shot?
>>  
>> I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery. 
>> I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit when you 
>> are really scared.  
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

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Center mass, every time.

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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
> 
> Is it deadly force to shoot them in the leg so they can’t keep running? 
> Easier to recover from a leg wound than a shot to the heart.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Personal feeling is that unless they present a clear immediate danger to 
>> someone in the immediate vicinity, deadly force is unjustified.  
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:48 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in 
>>> general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some time. 
>>> The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a nephew who 
>>> is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.
>>> 
>>> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting arrest. He 
>>> grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers are 
>>> one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only "weapon" 
>>> characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That individual was 
>>> running away, and was shot in the back. Was that justified? I would have a 
>>> hard time accepting that as a justified homicide. But that is only one 
>>> example. 
>>> 
>>> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is going 
>>> to come up more and more.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law enforcement. 
 And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear answers.
  
 A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported armed 
 robbery is confronted by cops,  takes off running.
 He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running, should 
 he be shot?
  
 I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or whatever.  He 
 may turn the gun on the cops.
 I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the cop would 
 yell “stop or I’ll shoot”. 
  
 We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops were 
 found to have done no wrong.
 People are understandably upset. 
 A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by cops, he 
 took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.
 I presume the same justifications apply. 
  
 I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading the cops.
 I wonder how other countries confront the same problem. 
 If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should they be 
 shot?
  
 I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery. 
 I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit when 
 you are really scared.  
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

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They had already searched him.

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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Is it a Taser or a gun he just pulled from his pants?  You have a half 
> second to decide.
> 
> Charles Boening wrote:
>> 
>> In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer.  A 
>> taser that hadn’t been fired.  He turned and shot that taser at the office 
>> which prompted the office to shoot back.  You can see that in the video.
>> 
>> Not saying it was justified or not.  Just the fact that the suspect even 
>> though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.
>> 
>> As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running away 
>> and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the officer 
>> giving chase.  You can still have your back to the officer giving chase yet 
>> present a threat to that officer.
>> 
>> Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a training 
>> scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high.  Also note that you can’t tell 
>> what kind of weapon the suspect has.  Is it real or fake?  Can’t really tell.
>> 
>> __
>> 
>> *Charles Boening*
>> 
>> /Network Manager/
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 9:48 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning
>> 
>> EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or 
>> sharing sensitive information.
>> 
>> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in general, 
>> have been given more slack than they should for quite some time. The issue 
>> is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a nephew who is a cop, 
>> and I worry about him all the time.
>> 
>> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting arrest. He 
>> grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers are 
>> one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only "weapon" 
>> characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That individual was 
>> running away, and was shot in the back. Was that justified? I would have a 
>> hard time accepting that as a justified homicide. But that is only one 
>> example.
>> 
>> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is going to 
>> come up more and more.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> 
>>I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
>>enforcement.
>> 
>>And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear
>>answers.
>> 
>>A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported
>>armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.
>> 
>>He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running,
>>should he be shot?
>> 
>>I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
>>whatever.  He may turn the gun on the cops.
>> 
>>I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
>>cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
>> 
>>We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back. Cops
>>were found to have done no wrong.
>> 
>>People are understandably upset.
>> 
>>A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
>>cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.
>> 
>>I presume the same justifications apply.
>> 
>>I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
>>the cops.
>> 
>>I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
>> 
>>If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
>>they be shot?
>> 
>>I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.
>> 
>>I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit
>>when you are really scared.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility

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That is a big issue in some areas.  Most places it works great.  One of our 
biggest movers.

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> On Jun 16, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> And then the power company deploys smartmeters or smartgrid and you're 
> screwed.  If they haven't already.
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
> 
> I’d stay away from it until they fix the database.  It’s notoriously 
> inaccurate.  
> 
> Cambium 450 900 will give you good speeds if the noise floor is anything 
> approaching decent.
> 
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>>> On Jun 16, 2020, at 2:22 PM, D. Bernardi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm considering building an analyzer to get some basic spectral use.  Given 
>>> the rural nature I assume spectrum could be fairly clean but yes, cellular 
>>> operators gobbling up spectrum is a concern.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 02:13 PM 6/16/2020, you wrote:
>>> Don't hold your breath. The availability of TVWS spectrum varies (a lot) by 
>>> region, and many areas do not have enough usable spectrum available to make 
>>> it anything more than a curiosity. Add to the fact, that they keep 
>>> "chipping away" at the spectrum and selling it off to the big cellular 
>>> operators, the odds look increasingly long for anything reasonable to 
>>> happen. There has been almost zero development of equipment designed to use 
>>> the spectrum as well. The paltry equipment that I've seen has also been 
>>> upside down in terms of value too. TVWS, or the promise of it has been 
>>> "just around the corner" now for over half a decade. I do not believe it 
>>> will ever work out. Of course, we can always revert to magical thinking 
>>> like "It will appear in August, like magic.". Naw. That ain't gonna happen. 
>>> bp  On 6/16/2020 11:01 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: > 
>>> > Howdy folks, > > I'm looking into solutions to deliver Internet to very 
>>> rural small > pockets of NLOS subscribers where fiber, copper or 
>>> tower/structure > deployments are not practical or cost effective.  If I'm 
>>> to believe > vendor briefs, TVWS technology seems to be making recent 
>>> advancements. > > Anyone have practical experience or advice on using TVWS? 
>>> > > Thanks in advance. > Dave B. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com 
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility

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I have some hope for Radwin’s new gear.

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> On Jun 16, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
> 
> 
> 
> All I hear is the rules suck, the database sucks, the equipment sucks, and 
> it's expensive.  If someone has anything positive to say I'd love to hear it, 
> but I haven't yet.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/16/2020 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Make sure that you only heed technical experience from modern, recent 
>> platforms. Someone that tried gen 1 year 8 years ago may have had a valid 
>> experience, but that experience is no longer relevant...  unless it's more 
>> about the company than the product.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "D. Bernardi" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:01:10 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
>> 
>> 
>> Howdy folks,
>> 
>> I'm looking into solutions to deliver Internet to very rural small 
>> pockets of NLOS subscribers where fiber, copper or tower/structure 
>> deployments are not practical or cost effective.  If I'm to believe 
>> vendor briefs, TVWS technology seems to be making recent advancements.
>> 
>> Anyone have practical experience or advice on using TVWS?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Dave B.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility

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I’d stay away from it until they fix the database.  It’s notoriously 
inaccurate.  

Cambium 450 900 will give you good speeds if the noise floor is anything 
approaching decent.

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> On Jun 16, 2020, at 2:22 PM, D. Bernardi  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm considering building an analyzer to get some basic spectral use.  Given 
> the rural nature I assume spectrum could be fairly clean but yes, cellular 
> operators gobbling up spectrum is a concern.
> 
> 
> At 02:13 PM 6/16/2020, you wrote:
>> Don't hold your breath. The availability of TVWS spectrum varies (a lot) by 
>> region, and many areas do not have enough usable spectrum available to make 
>> it anything more than a curiosity. Add to the fact, that they keep "chipping 
>> away" at the spectrum and selling it off to the big cellular operators, the 
>> odds look increasingly long for anything reasonable to happen. There has 
>> been almost zero development of equipment designed to use the spectrum as 
>> well. The paltry equipment that I've seen has also been upside down in terms 
>> of value too. TVWS, or the promise of it has been "just around the corner" 
>> now for over half a decade. I do not believe it will ever work out. Of 
>> course, we can always revert to magical thinking like "It will appear in 
>> August, like magic.". Naw. That ain't gonna happen. bp 
>>  On 6/16/2020 11:01 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: > > 
>> Howdy folks, > > I'm looking into solutions to deliver Internet to very 
>> rural small > pockets of NLOS subscribers where fiber, copper or 
>> tower/structure > deployments are not practical or cost effective.  If I'm 
>> to believe > vendor briefs, TVWS technology seems to be making recent 
>> advancements. > > Anyone have practical experience or advice on using TVWS? 
>> > > Thanks in advance. > Dave B. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com 
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Light reading

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Did a few minutes of research, as this intrigued me.  Looks like mean average 
sea level on either side of the canal is very similar, but the tides can vary 
by feet.  That and the changes in elevation through the Canal Zone are why the 
locks are necessary.

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> On May 25, 2020, at 9:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is another explanation: “mean sea level” aka the geiod, is an oddly 
> irregular surface where the force of gravity is exactly the same everywhere.  
> So you hold gravity constant, the distance from the center of mass of the 
> earth changes.  And as water does seek its own level, it is where the water 
> would flow if everything would stop turning, tides would stop happening etc.
>  
> 
>  
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 7:07 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light reading
>  
> I figured it was fairly obvious that "sea level" wasn't a real thing because 
> of the Panama Canal situation, but I kind of wondered what "sea level" 
> actually was... I guess this explains that.
>  
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>> In areas of the globe of high gravity, the water piles up.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:55 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light reading
>> 
>> I've always been puzzled how the Atlantic and Pacific oceans can be
>> different heights at the Panama Canal.  What about "seal level" and "water
>> seeks its own level" and all that?  Apparently they're the same height down
>> by Tierra del Fuego.  Very confusing.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 7:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Light reading
>> 
>> So, being confused at ellipsoid heights vs geoid heights and what I am
>> looking at in my fancy GPS system, etc I bought a book about the subject and
>> got smelf smarted.  For a terribly dry subject and a book full of equations,
>> I really enjoyed the crap out of reading it.
>> 
>> Several notable thing I learned:
>> The ellipsoid is a mathematical representation of the planet.  That is
>> referred to as WGS84.  At least that is the model we are all currently using
>> until they tweak it at some point in the future.
>> The ellipsoid is a smooth shape calculated from the center of the earth.
>> They claim it is within 2cm of being accurate.
>> 
>> The actual axis of rotation of the earth wobbles in about 6 different
>> directions all with periods from tens of thousands of years to days.  So,
>> the elipsoid (WGS84) is defined by actual earth bound landmarks and an
>> artificial/derived/ false/imaginary axis of rotation.
>> 
>> It is like a grid cage pinned at a few locations to a beating heart.  Not
>> only does the earth's real axis of rotation meander around, so do continents
>> and plates.
>> 
>> The Geoid (EGM 96) is a list of points in a grid the covers the planet.  A
>> correction table for elevations.
>> Each point defines a distance from the geoid to the ellipsoid in the
>> vertical/elevation direction.
>> It is generally +/- 100 meters or so of the ellipsoid.
>> 
>> The geoid (EGM 96) is an artificial representation or model of mean sea
>> level.  As it turns out, water can indeed run up hill.  The Atlantic and
>> Pacific oceans both slope upward going north.  This is due to the variations
>> of gravity.  If gravity is stronger up the hill than at the base, the water
>> will run up the hill.  This is seen in the great lakes.  Not likely to be
>> seen in short distances.
>> 
>> In any event, the geoid gives us some offsets in altitude/elevation so we
>> can figure out where mean sea level is at any point on the globe.  You can
>> calculate the ellipsoid with just math, but then MSL/elevation will be
>> offset from that spheroid in a vertical direction.  No calculations involved
>> 
>> in the geoid, just a bunch of correction data points.Mostly created by
>> satellite and aerial radar and laser surveys.
>> 
>> Down is not down.  A plumb bob seeks the center of mass of the planet.  Down
>> is an angle normal to the tangent of the ellipsoid.  If you are in an area
>> where the center of the mass of the planet is not aligned with gravity there
>> will be an angle between the two downs and ups.  Just an odd factoid.  Only
>> used if you are involved in long baseline survey work the old fashioned way.
>> 
>> When we talk about antenna elevations, we are really talking about height
>> above (or below, I guess, death valley etc)  the geoid.  There really is no
>> such thing as mean sea level.  The sea has considerable elevation
>> differences around the globe.  So, with lots of averaging and some laws
>> being written and international consortiums of folks that study this stuff,
>> the geoid was created.  In some areas the geoid is below the ellip

Re: [AFMUG] Black hole of distraction

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Yeah, I could see where that could become a real time suck!

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> On May 25, 2020, at 1:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> You asshole...
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 11:31 AM 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Black hole of 
> distraction 
> Memorial Day was always the time growing up when my friends would all come up 
> with wacky things to do.   Elementary School it was raids on cherry orchards, 
> playing ditchem..  H.S. was weird physics stunts, blowing things up, 
> launching things.   College was going places and pranks.   Professional was 
> stupid parties in the Delta and seeing how high we could get on a waverunner 
> on a power boat wake or getting RC boats going 60 mph...
> 
> This year cannot mingle with those friends.   But YouTube is always out there 
> to remind us that we weren't alone.   I had watched a couple of this guys 
> videos before, but hadn't subscribed.   Maybe you all have watched all his 
> stuff already, but for those that haven't.   Here you go.   Chuck, if you 
> haven't already watched him, I predict hours wasted in your future...
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcxuzdP3rs
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: You had one job

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Boss said “I don’t care what you do...leave that rock alone!”

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> On May 21, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> The only thing I can think of is the rock must be like an iceberg. Much 
> bigger than it looks.
> 
>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> This falls under the heading: "When the only tool you have is a hammer, all 
>> your problems look like nails."
>> 
>> Rephrasing slightly:
>> 
>> "When all you have is pipe and pipe fittings, all your problems look like 
>> plumbing."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/21/2020 1:49 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> Still scratching my head..
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber11 Coax Cable Kit

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IIRC, those were EOL’ed some time ago.

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> On May 14, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know the answer, but I suggest an email to supp...@ui.com might be in 
> order.
> 
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:50 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>> I know some UBNT People see these list posts, and I don't see them in 
>> the UBNT Store anymore.
>> 
>> AF11-CA
>> 
>> Was the mount bracket for an AF11 (the dish side) and 2 Coax Cables.  I 
>> need to order some more.  Actually, I really only care about the 
>> mounting bracket.
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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 900 MHz PMP100 and PTP450i?

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It can be done.  You have to match the 450i sync timing to the FSK timing.  
It’s either .25 or .5ms...I can never remember.

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> On May 15, 2020, at 12:49 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the PTP450i in the same band as the PMP100?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:52 PM  wrote:
>> I have a PTP450i feeding a small site with a PMP100 AP. Is it possible to 
>> sync PTP450i and PMP100? Can I pull sync off the PTP450i slave into the 
>> PMP100 AP?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you - Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

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Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if 
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.

I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would sell 
the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.

If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you need 
bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to buy the kit 
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. 
 Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11.  
They are really screwed right now.

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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products - 
> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles. 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the 
>> price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since 
>> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone 
>> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their 
>> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in 
>> a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost 
>> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can get 
>> 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 
>> 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a 
>> AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 
>> 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always emails 
>> me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you can buy a 
>> 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door. 
>> Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't even get 
>> from Baltic because they are sold out.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11 
>>> is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>> 
 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
 https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
> From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they were 
> never going to get them.  
> 
> On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the 
>> change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model 
>> number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but 
>> they are once again available.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that 
>>> their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled
>>> 
>>> On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
 That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone 
 SKU. 
 
 https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
 
 Chuck
 
 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company 
> that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They 
> also seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
> 
> Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.
> 
> 2 cents
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in 
>> a 
>> kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.  Single radios cannot be 
>> purchased.  How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case?
>> 
>> The price has gone up too.  We were getting bare radios for $585 
>> last 
>> year.  Now if you break the cost out of the Dishes and Diplexers 
>> from 
>> the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio.  And places that have bare 
>> radios 
>> listed in their online stores (but have no stock) have a single 
>> radio in 
>> the $900 range.
>> 
>> Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd party Antenna market?  Or were 
>> they
>> having problems interfacing to other dishes  because of their unique 
>> N 
>> connector method?  The part that really annoys me is that I can't 
>> just 
>> have spare radios sitting on the shelf.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

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Unless you are going all in without a guard, it’s helpful to have someone who 
get get the back of your neck for you.

My wife is 5’3” and I’m over 6’2”...I have to kneel, which she believes is my 
proper position before her!  :-)

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> On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Is it hard to give yourself a buzz?  Have you done it before?
> 
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Barbershops and hair parlors are all closed out here.  Too much longer and I 
>> will give myself a buzz.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 
>> 3:48 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun
>> Noticing more and more buzz cuts in our video meetings lately.
>> Luckily summer time makes it more feasible.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I get a crew cut am I appropriating skin head culture?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:55 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun
>>> 
>>> Actually, I can rock an afro.  I was actually looking for my afro pick
>>> earlier today.  Seriously.
>>> 
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > We all knew you were a troll.
>>> > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, April 23,
>>> > 2020 11:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:
>>> > [AFMUG] OT Fun
>>> > I'm contemplating some dire options.  My hair grows out, not downs, so
>>> > I'll look more like the guy that lives under a bridge than a hippy.
>>> >
>>> > ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions

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Not a movie, but as a Piston’s fan I suggest the Michael Jordan series on ESPN. 
 First one was called the Last Dance.

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> On Apr 23, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
> 
> 
> In preparation of No Time to Die later this year I’ve been watching the older 
> Bond films, mostly for nostalgia. Though terribly cheesy, they’re still 
> pretty entertaining. All are available on Amazon Prime, some eve remastered.
> 
> I also hear Knives Out is wonderful - it’s next on my list.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:03 PM Gilbert Gutierrez 
>>  wrote:
>> Longmire on Netflix was good until the last season or two when it became 
>> predictable.
>> 
>> Gilbert
>> 
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  wrote:
 
 Go watch "the last ship" on Hulu.  Was on TNT...
 
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 Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 7:41 PM
 
 Anyone have anything to recommend?
 I saw the Ronda Rousey documentary last night.  It was well worth watching.
 Death of Stalin was good. 
 Starting to watch Killing Eve. 
 Devs just got weird.  Meh
 Westworld is getting weird too. 
 Billions starts up again soon... that is one of my favs. 
 Little fires was interesting in the beginning but became too much of a 
 chick flick for me at the end.
 I like High Maintenance.
 Better call Saul is coming to and end... sob...
 Homeland is ending this week ... sob ...
 BlackAF is interesting.  Especially if you read up on the creator.  He did 
 Blackish.  I think I will tire of it soon.
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

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Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring war on the US in 
the immediate aftermath.

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> On Apr 20, 2020, at 12:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Just contrasting the current situation to what I know about WWII.  Everyone 
> seemed to get behind the war effort irrespective of politics.
> I came of age during Vietnam.  So we had the polar opposite of that in those 
> years. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:24 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>  
> The funny thing is when you talk about politicizing a crisis, everyone thinks 
> you're talking about someone else but not them.  It's everyone and it always 
> will be.
> 
> Every elected person has to address every situation with the mentality of 
> "what will voters want me to do?".  Or perhaps, "what do I want voters to 
> think I'm doing?"  If they didn't do that they wouldn't be re-elected.  We 
> all, in theory, want our politicians to do the right thing and tell the truth 
> about it, but in reality they're going to do what they think their voters 
> want, or if they can't then they'll try to tell them what they want to hear.  
> We can't expect anything other than politics from politicians.  When someone 
> gets a job by winning a popularity contest they're going to be somewhat 
> narcissistic to begin with.  The ones who keep the job the longest are the 
> ones with the most narcissistic tendencies because they'll have the greatest 
> skill at deflecting, equivocating, and outright BS'ing.
> 
> I hope this doesn't count as a lent issue.  I'm not naming any persons or 
> parties and it's more of an indictment of electoral processes in general.  
> The problem of course is that every other method is worse.
> 
>  
> 
>> On 4/20/2020 11:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am normally pretty optimistic, so feeling a bit cynical this morning:
>>  
>> If aliens landed in a mars attacks style, if would become partisan politics 
>> before they even left the spacecraft. 
>>  
>> If Jesus appeared walking across the sea, helping fishermen gather a catch, 
>> PETA and Greenpeace would be filing injections. 
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:56 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>  
>> Didn't your governor procure PPE stuff in stealth mode to keep FEMAs hands 
>> from stealing these supplies? That doesn't inept to me, Steve.
>>  
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:02 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>>> This is correct, there have been a few were accidents, and other deaths 
>>> related to usual activities.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’ll be interested to see the overall death rates for the US during this 
>>>> time.  I suspect that they will be down from their usual levels, overall, 
>>>> even with the virus.
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 7:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen 
>>>>> deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are 
>>>>> done.  All in a few short months. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

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I’ll be interested to see the overall death rates for the US during this time.  
I suspect that they will be down from their usual levels, overall, even with 
the virus.

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> On Apr 19, 2020, at 7:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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> 
> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths in 
> the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All in a 
> few short months. 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

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ePMP and 450 support it with a free key from Cambium.  I’m trying to find out 
about PTP 550 and 670.

I’m told that UBNT is working on a solution.

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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Mimosa supports it.
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS LTE options

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The current options are:

Less expensive:
Baicells
BliNQ

More expensive:
Telrad
Cambium (when released later this year)
Airspan

Really expensive:
Nokia
Ericsson (they do have a stripped down version for WISPs, but it’s still salty)

CPE supply is a HUGE problem for all or most of them.  Anyone that uses Gemtek 
CPE is going to be behind for a while.  

The big double whammy was the Covid combined with the last minute CBRS changes 
that didn’t allow Gen1 Telrad and Baicells CPE to work under the SAS.  

If you want to order CPEs for anything other than BliNQ, you probably need to 
order now for May or June.  IMO it will take all year for this to really sort 
itself out.

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> On Apr 3, 2020, at 12:21 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What are some decent options for LTE other than Baicells?  I see that Baltic 
> is carrying Airspan LTE as well as Blinq (which I'm unfamiliar with).  Are 
> there any other options that aren't outrageously expensive I should check out?
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

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At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> What frequencies does it support?
> 
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I 
>> can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>> they're hard to keep watered.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> 
>>I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>mega sites it could make sense.
>> 
>>*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>> 
>>much much more than free
>> 
>>but much much less input and much much much more output
>> 
>>I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>applied it to our real world.
>> 
>>The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>missed.
>> 
>>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
>> 
>>What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>> 
>>*From:*Steve Jones
>> 
>>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>> 
>>*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>>*Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>> 
>>I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
>>pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
>>game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
>>install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
>>CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
>>actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
>>didnt grab it)
>> 
>>there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
>>bad long term.
>> 
>>we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
>>EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
>>of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
>>out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
>>cbrs stuff
>> 
>>your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
>>picture and have a best location target, install survey times
>>will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
>>spot, and on the probably best spot.
>> 
>>I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
>>If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
>>where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
>>other two components are crazy perfect too
>> 
>>like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
>>its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
>>familiar with that here.
>> 
>>This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
>>can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
>>how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Coronials

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Quaranteens!  I wish I’d come up with that!

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> With all the people being self-quarantined, I predict that 9 months from 
> now, we will have a mini-bloomlet of child births. This generation of people 
> will become known as the Coronial generation.
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Re: [AFMUG] chart

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Word.  I’ve always been a bit freaked out when people don’t wash their hands 
Fter using the bathroom.

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Let’s hope the hand washing behavior becomes permanent.
>  
> On the other hand, the flood of travelers returning from Europe waiting for 
> hours in close quarters for screening at airports like ORD and DFW is a bad, 
> bad thing.  Like your ER scenario.
>  
> I did notice that when our governor tweeted that the federal govt needed to 
> get its s@#t together, the Internet decided that #t was a hashtag.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:47 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] chart
>  
> I cant imagine the superbugs that are going to come out of the ERs and 
> clinics. Streptoflusphilyisaidscorona. The viruses will have bacterial 
> infections.
>  
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 9:03 AM justsumname .  wrote:
> I went to the local clinic a week ago.   Said I have a mild Flu A.
> Took tamiflu and lotsa fluids all week.
> Went yesterday, said I have mild strep.
> Throat has felt weird all week but doesn't hurt like past streps.   No fever 
> or congestion all week.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring

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3% unemployment...

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled interview. 
>  Am I that far behind the times?  Even if this was “social distancing” due to 
> coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to cancel.
>  
> How are you setting up the interviews?  Phone?  Email?  Online through some 
> recruiting site?
>  
> I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change.  
> Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me.  In my 
> defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore 
> watches and had to actually change the time.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>  
> We are doing another round of hiring.  Had 12 interviews scheduled today.  So 
> far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up.  Last time we did this the ratio was 
> 1 out of 5.  So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

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“Ruby, don’t take your love to town”...oh, wait...

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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You’ve got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk 
> away. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
>> 
>> I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.
>> 
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>>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 
>>> 
>>> Stock market has tow approaches:
>>> 
>>> Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 
>>> 
>>> Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right 
>>> (or lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 
>>> 
>>> I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
>>> day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock 
>>> market opening doing his day trading. 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up 
>>>> if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my smartphone
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>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>> Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
>>>> 
>>>> Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term 
>>>> though on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
>>>> 
>>>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
>>>> > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
>>>> > Maddoff
>>>> > 
>>>> > Mark
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> So you almost triple your money each year?
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>>>> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Sprinkle around.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>>>> >> international developed and emerging markets.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
>>>> >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
>>>> >>> kind of money?
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>>> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
>>>> >>> $5,000/week.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

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I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.

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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 
> 
> Stock market has tow approaches:
> 
> Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 
> 
> Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right (or 
> lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 
> 
> I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
> day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock market 
> opening doing his day trading. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up 
>> if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
>> 
>> Sent from my smartphone
>> 
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
>> 
>> Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though 
>> on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
>> 
>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
>> > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
>> > Maddoff
>> > 
>> > Mark
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >> 
>> >> Sprinkle around.
>> >> 
>> >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> >> international developed and emerging markets.
>> >> 
>> >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> >> 
>> >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
>> >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> >> 
>> >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> >> 
>> >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
>> >>> kind of money?
>> >>> 
>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >>> 
>> >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
>> >>> $5,000/week.
>> >>> 
>> >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

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Minor clarification:  It won’t sit at the disty more than a day (depending on 
what time it comes in).  It can sit in the railroad stockyard for up to a week.

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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit at the 
> distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you. 
> 
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be safe. 
> 
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> contamination of stock. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>> 
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully. 
>>>  
>>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>  
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The 
>>> answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't 
>>> figured out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit 
>>> boards go, even if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers 
>>> are typically over 20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each 
>>> from China can cost $20 to get made in the USA.
>>>  
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
>>> China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close 
>>> to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 
>>> months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in 
>>> the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't 
>>> inserted an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time 
>>> we do sometime next week that the backlog will be largely cleared from our 
>>> preferred supplier in China.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
 Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain 
 they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, 
 much less the slip set to do it 
 I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
 away.
  
 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
> announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the 
> next two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is 
> probably going to decimate the chinese economy.
> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
> downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
> humanitarian reasons
> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
> be less impactful.
> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
> stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its 
> loose in california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some 
> controlled outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is 
> here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this 
> will have major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the 
> markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, 
> but i dont know that africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola 
> running around.
> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
> will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 
> 35 that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
> around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
> sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the 
> next stage
> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a 
> gleeful feeling of global unity.
>  
>  
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And it 
>> was up so high too
>>  
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

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+1 on Ritalia!

Also done well with Summit and LCA.

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> On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Graham McIntire  wrote:
> 
> We did a lease/finance through Ritalia and had great luck with them. I
> can't say we had a great rate (I don't remember what it was,) but they
> were easy to deal with and worked out well.
> 
> Graham McIntire
> Verona Networks
> President/Owner
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> I have had a pretty good experience with John Deere on both rent to own and
>> lease on a couple of mini excavators.
>> Just ask the dealer for dealer financing.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dev
>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 11:32 AM
>> To: AF@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies
>> 
>> Has anyone had a good experience with equipment lease/purchase/finance
>> companies for things like mini-ex, directional bore, etc? Our local banks
>> are totally clueless on equipment, so you have to go find a broker (who
>> takes a cut) who shops it to an out-of-state non-retail bank.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

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Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave?

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says 
> otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a 
> conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
> Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
> because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 
> APs I am selling.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>  
> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
> NLOS performance. 
> 
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to 
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
> because I've had to make it myself.
> 
>  
> 
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
> APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if 
> the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will 
> require a completely different SM.
> 
> David
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>  
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
> 
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
>  wrote:
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the 
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just 
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with 
> our 450 AP's.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> David Williamson
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> 
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
> 
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
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> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied 
> >> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
> >> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good 
> >> in my experience.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

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3.5 isn’t available yet.

I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
> my experience.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

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It’s getting better.

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
> 
> 
> There seems to be a lot of people complaining about getting stock of spare 
> parts, and it has seemed to be on going for the last 6 months or so. Not 
> something I would want to worry about.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:26 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>> We have several, about 2 dozen in place for about 2 years, Have not had any 
>> issues with them.  
>> 
>> I like the fact that they are cheap enough to just keep spares on a shelf.  
>> But so far we have not had any problems.   Most of our Paths were running 
>> AF5 radios that we upgraded to AF11, so we didn't even have to change the 
>> bracket on the tower, just swap the AF5 for the AF11.  
>> 
>> We do change the mount bolts that come with the Dish.  They are packed with 
>> bolt/washer/lockwasher which is almost impossible to get all lined up when 
>> you drop the dish into the bracket.  We change them with serrated flange 
>> head bolts like are on the AF5 radios (order from McMaster) and get 35mm 
>> long threads so it's easier to line up on the bracket.  We also have have to 
>> re-tap about 80% of the mount holes on the dish because the threads from the 
>> factory are that bad.  That's just now part of our ground setup to run the 
>> tap through all the holes.  
>> 
>> They have an option for 2wire power, or POE, but no SFP unfortunately.  But 
>> any Ethernet issues I've had can be traced to a problem with the cable.  
>> 
>>> On 1/8/2020 9:08 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>> Anybody have more than a couple of these thing in place for while that can 
>>> comment on their Pros / Cons ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Needing to buy 8 licensed links and looking for reliable, but cost effective
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>> 
>>> Florida Broadband / PDMNet
>>> 
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> 
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 
>>> 772-564-6800
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

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Most everything g has moved over to the various Facebook sites.

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> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways.  It's so low 
> traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason.  
> 
> At least we still have AFMUG, amirite?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF  wrote:
>> Yep.   While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, 
>> moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for 
>> WISPA. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
>> Certified
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
>> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list traffic 
>> plummeted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Sean Heskett" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
>> 
>> I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not 
>> limit it to just forums.  Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support 
>> type stuff because you have   a threaded searchable archive.  But it’s a 
>> repository of knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive daily 
>> stuff.  I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists multiple times a 
>> day.  Cambium went to forums which makes sense for a solutions provider so 
>> that they have the searchable database, but I go there maybe monthly to 
>> check for new software or known issues.  But I’m not very active in their 
>> community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go login and check a 
>> forum.  Email is constantly flowing my way and I interact with it all 
>> throughout the day.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> One way to find out I guess is to gather some data.  Find out how many 
>> messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s 
>> forums only.  My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know 
>> personally I won’t be on there.  Not because I don’t want to be there, but 
>> it’s simply I don’t have the time to add yet another thing to go log into 
>> and check to my daily life.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2 cents 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it is going away to a forum.  Personally not a fan myself but demand 
>> seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists.  Will also make some of 
>> the committee work that happens easier so I have been told.
>> 
>> Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was the 
>> only reason I ever signed up.  Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>> 
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> 
>> Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:
>> 
>> You mean the main members list?  Where did you hear it was going away?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off.  But just now I got 
>> an email.  Like to delete my folder once it is defunct. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movies

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Ford vs Ferrari was terrific...particularly if you are a car guy!

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> On Dec 5, 2019, at 7:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I loved “the Irishman” on Netflix.  Took me three evenings to watch.  They 
> should have added Robt Duvall.  In any event, I fully remember many of the 
> things shown in that movie. 
>  
> Here is an old joke:
>  
> Did you hear Tammy Faye Baker passed out and and had to get transported to 
> the hospital?
> No, what happened?
>  
> Well, they got her into the ER and started to remove her makeup.  Do you know 
> what they discovered?
> No, what?
>  
> Jimmy Hoffa!
>  
> Bwahahahahhahahah!  That was very funny back in its day.
>  
> I also saw Knives Out.  Enjoyed it out.  I kinda figured it out which is rare 
> for me. 
>  
> I was in “The Villages” old folks city in Florida when seeing it. 
> Considering buying a home there.  Maybe not quite yet but it is sure a nice 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF-11FX-DUP-H stock in United States?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The UBNT store had a few a week or so, but they are gone now.  I’m not aware of 
any in the US.

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> On Dec 5, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> 
> just did now, thanks for the link
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:03 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>> did you check
>> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/  
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:01 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> Do any distributors have the  AF-11FX-DUP-H  in stock in the united states? 
>>> Have a link to put up and Streakwave and Baltic both are out of stock of 
>>> these duplexers.
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Re: [AFMUG] Monday Funnies

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It’s the 450 volt capacitor!!!

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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Weapon Delivery System:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAi8HXgFR8&feature=youtu.be
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
> m: 
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Re: [AFMUG] Thomas Freeburg

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Met him when I was with Bitlomat.  Those meetings led me to CTI.

His office wall was covered with patents from floor to ceiling...and those 
weren’t even all of them.

Amazing man!

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> On Nov 10, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I met him once.  Was kinda Motorola royalty,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Amongst many other accomplishments and countless patents, Tom was the buy 
>> who assembled (and provided a Motorola home for) the original Canopy 
>> engineering team. He is missed.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:20 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>> RIP
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini 
>>> Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>>> m: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>> From: AF  on behalf of Colin Stanners 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Date: Friday, November 8, 2019 at 9:13 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Thomas Freeburg
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I was doing some research, visited the Bitlomat site (remember them?) and 
>>> googled Thomas Freeburg, who was instrumental in creating the Canopy 
>>> system. Turns out that he died in 2018. RIP great engineer.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180923/motorola-executive-known-as-the-wizard-was-ahead-of-his-time
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM lost config, feature key, and radio calibration

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

My favorite Smartbridges story happened at the Wispcon in Dallas.  I was 
finishing up setting up my booth for ImageStream and so was Tracy from 
Electrocom.  The SB engineers were having a terrible time setting theirs 
up...and I know they were way smarter dudes than me.  We got it up for them.  
:-)

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>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> The one thing I remember was that they (the smartbridges) almost always 
> failed by filling with water. I would be willing to bet there is a powershot 
> hiding in a box somewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 10/31/2019 2:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Remember the Powershots?  I still occasionally find those in the van or
>> under furniture, they're like cockroaches.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And what was the marking on that stupid 26 AWG Cat5 cable, something like
>> Space Station Cable or Astronaut Cable?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 3:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM lost config, feature key, and radio calibration
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We used a few smartbridges for some intralan building-building type links.
>> Wow. I'd almost forgotten how bad those things were.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 10/31/2019 11:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> 
>> I will say in my experience Cambium radios are far more robust to power
>> issues than Ubiquiti.  We have a bunch of Nanostations of various vintage at
>> customer sites to link between buildings, and run into all sorts of lockups,
>> resets, and deaths due to power issues.  The Cambium radios at the same
>> sites will be fine.  Each generation of Ubiquiti stuff has been better than
>> the last, we've been using the NS5 AC Locos for the past year or so, but
>> Cambium by far has the better power on reset circuitry.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> And I remember when we bought a SmartBridges based WISP back in 2005.  Some
>> of those customers still power cycle the radio every time they have issues.
>> Those things were junk.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF    On
>> Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:25 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM lost config, feature key, and radio calibration
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> I think if the power brick is one of those old ones, then either the too low
>> voltage or the too high voltage would be an issue. Ever since I started
>> "doing computer stuff", 80% of all the problems I've seen can be traced back
>> to power issues of one kind or another.  Back in the 70s when I was working
>> for Data General, I think 115% of the problems they had were power issues.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On 10/31/2019 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>  
>> When I went to change out this SM, it turned out to be an old former Trango
>> customer from about 14 years ago that we never changed the POE, and it was
>> in fact a transformer.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Do you think when the power came back on an overvoltage condition propagated
>> to the SM and fried something?  Or just starved it of voltage and made the
>> flash memory forget stuff?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> BTW while I was out there I put in a new POE and also changed out the board
>> in the 300SS (we stopped using those around 10 years ago) with one of
>> Chuck's gas tube replacement boards.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF    
>>   On
>> Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:08 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com    
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM lost config, feature key, and radio calibration
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> I've seen SMs do all kinds of crazy things during a brown out. It happened
>> more when the power bricks were simple transformers, as the voltage sag
>> would get through to the SM. They would reset to factory default,
>> uncalibrated. So yeah.
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On 10/31/2019 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>  
>> Has anyone experienced a Cambium SM losing not just the radio calibration
>> data but the config and also reverting to 4 Mbps aggregate (it was bought as
>> a 20 Mbps unit, this wasn't even an upgrade key, although I suspect they all
>> start as 4 Mbps units and the factory squirts a feature key into them)?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> This happened when a customer had a power outage, we had installed a new SM
>> about a week before.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Cambium Support is wanting a remote session so  they can telnet in and
>> restore the radio calibration data.  I am thinking there's a bigger problem
>> than the calibration data, since it lost its config and went back to factory
>> defaults, and also went from 20 Mbps to 4 Mbps.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> We also several concerning log entries including "

Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I asked him right after I saw you post about it.

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> On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020. 
> Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and 
> triband for like $250'ish !!!
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1 
>> 2020.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much in 
>> “we are considering it” phase.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have a 
>> connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of 
>> us have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in the 
>> 450b high gain.  And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack 
>> the CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs.  If 
>> we haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally 
>> prefer to replace them with a 450i AP.  It’s just so confusing having a mix 
>> of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a 
>> more capable CPU.  So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, 
>> you can upgrade the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists.  The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st 
>> qtr2020.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with 
>> reflectors.  That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a 
>> connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector 
>> dish.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming 
>> out.
>> 
>> (actual SM)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Tyson Burris, President 
>> Internet Communications Inc. 
>> 739 Commerce Dr. 
>> Franklin, IN 46131 
>>   
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>> Online: www.surfici.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> To make more money comrade.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that 
>> model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s 
>> no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit.
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Agreed...additionally, for gear that ships from China, keys might make a lot of 
sense...why pay tariffs on a “full” unit when you can pay them for a “lite” and 
not on the key?

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> On Oct 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> 
> The thing is, with a product like the 450 that's built from scratch, a 
> significant part of the cost comes from R&D, so there's going to be a lot 
> larger markup than something like ePMP that's based on common chipsets (and 
> I'm assuming has much lower r&d costs). Just because they can build 
> individual units and sell them for a much lower price without losing money, 
> doesn't mean that it would be profitable if the unrestricted version was sold 
> for that price.
> 
> Restricting speed by license like they used to do with Canopy was a terrible 
> system, in my opinion, but I love Lite APs... we likely wouldn't have put up 
> nearly as many ePMP APs (and we might've even going back to Ubiquiti) if they 
> hadn't introduced the Lite AP. We probably ended up upgrading at least 60% of 
> our Lite APs anyway, but when you're putting up a tower that you have no idea 
> whether it's going to end up with 10 customers total, or 50, it's a lot 
> easier to justify putting up a full set of sectors instead of an omni, when 
> you a whole set of lite APs only costs a little more than one full AP.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 8:43 AM Lewis Bergman  
>> wrote:
>> You could also look at it like the manufacturer is partnering with you by 
>> discounting the hardware for a lite version that they hope will eventually 
>> grow into a need for the full version and get them their full margin they 
>> discounted originally.
>> I am not saying that is what they are doing, just that is the "less than 
>> evil corporate America" way to think about it. 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:01 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's 
>>> website there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be 
>>> upgraded to full capacity with a key upgrade. 
>>> 
>>> Cambium C050045AL02B
>>> 5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
>>> PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
>>> 
>>> The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it 
>>> will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be 
>>> purchased to remove this restriction.
>>> 
>>> https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B&eq=&Tp=&o1=0
>>> 
>>> I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of 
>>> 10. And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too.
>>> 
>>> AWESOME
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

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To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists.  The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st 
qtr2020.

I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with 
reflectors.  That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.

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> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> 450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a 
> connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector 
> dish.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>  
> The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming out.
> (actual SM)
>  
> Tyson Burris, President 
> Internet Communications Inc. 
> 739 Commerce Dr. 
> Franklin, IN 46131 
>   
> Daytime # 317-738-0320 
> Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
> Online: www.surfici.net
>  
> 
> What can ICI do for you?
> 
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> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
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> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>  
> To make more money comrade.
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>  
> I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys.
>  
> If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that 
> model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s 
> no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit.
>  
> If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still make a 
> profit, why is the key needed to unlock features?
> 
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's website 
> there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be upgraded 
> to full capacity with a key upgrade. 
>  
> Cambium C050045AL02B
> 5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
> 
> PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
> 
> The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it 
> will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be purchased 
> to remove this restriction.
> 
> https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B&eq=&Tp=&o1=0
> 
> I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of 
> 10. And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too.
> 
> AWESOME
> 
>  
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