Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
Poor, not white, 2 strikes before you even get started. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge What Bill said is a simple fact. Having said that, it's a stereotype for a reason. The large majority of people in that stereotype are upholding it. Maybe that guy is the exception to the rule, maybe not. Personally I've been burned every time so I'm kind of done. Maybe you're a whole lot nicer than me (and of course you have a personal interest + benefit). Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:57 PM Bill Prince wrote: I'm resigned to the concept that we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system that can be manipulated by people with more money. bp On 1/5/2022 1:42 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her pregnant and got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently out of jail and on parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone so his parole officer could keep tabs on him. He got tossed back in jail for having her phone because she had a dating service on her phone. Is life fucked up or what? Our law system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid his time in jail. A hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma probably got pregnant and married by age 14-15, this has been so for thousands of years. Suddenly we're supposed to act differently about this? 30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22 year-old security guard from Great America theme park. I called the cops because I was really upset they would do this in my own house and I didn't like the guy, thought he was a creep. The cops did nothing about it, called it consensual. Turned out the guy was a creep even though he became the father of my grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support. I'm a hypocrite on this issue Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if you get caught by them. Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has paid their debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a separate problem. On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had done hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to another company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically fail. I have only had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that I knew of. Well when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s... nobody cared about that kind of thing back then. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge So heres a moral pickle. An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? An applicant with a pending felony charge? an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way. Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge) My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from w
Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
What Bill said is a simple fact. Having said that, it's a stereotype for a reason. The large majority of people in that stereotype are upholding it. Maybe that guy is the exception to the rule, maybe not. Personally I've been burned every time so I'm kind of done. Maybe you're a whole lot nicer than me (and of course you have a personal interest + benefit). Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:57 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I'm resigned to the concept that we don't have a justice system, we have a > legal system that can be manipulated by people with more money. > > > bp > > > On 1/5/2022 1:42 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > > My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her pregnant and > got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently out of jail and on > parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone so his parole officer could > keep tabs on him. He got tossed back in jail for having her phone because > she had a dating service on her phone. Is life fucked up or what? Our law > system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid his time in jail. A > hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma probably got pregnant and > married by age 14-15, this has been so for thousands of years. Suddenly > we're supposed to act differently about this? > > 30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22 year-old > security guard from Great America theme park. I called the cops because I > was really upset they would do this in my own house and I didn't like the > guy, thought he was a creep. The cops did nothing about it, called it > consensual. Turned out the guy was a creep even though he became the > father of my grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support. I'm > a hypocrite on this issue > > Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if you get > caught by them. > > Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has paid their > debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a separate problem. > > > On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction > activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had done > hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and > was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to another > company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not hire him. He > blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically fail. I have only > had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a > success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they almost always > relapse. Never had a sex offender that I knew of. > > Well when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s... > nobody cared about that kind of thing back then. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge > > So heres a moral pickle. > > An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? > An applicant with a pending felony charge? > an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? > > This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the > constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality > dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. > > We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, > though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" > does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the > conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant > parolees. Could go either way. > > Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a > shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already > been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew > got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. > As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at > my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over > an unconvicted charge) > > My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. > What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb > catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details > and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like > a nude
Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
I'm resigned to the concept that we don't have a justice system,
we have a legal system that can be manipulated by people with more
money.
bp
On 1/5/2022 1:42 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her
pregnant and got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently
out of jail and on parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone
so his parole officer could keep tabs on him. He got tossed
back in jail for having her phone because she had a dating
service on her phone. Is life fucked up or what? Our law
system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid his time
in jail. A hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma
probably got pregnant and married by age 14-15, this has been so
for thousands of years. Suddenly we're supposed to act
differently about this?
30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22
year-old security guard from Great America theme park. I called
the cops because I was really upset they would do this in my own
house and I didn't like the guy, thought he was a creep. The
cops did nothing about it, called it consensual. Turned out the
guy was a creep even though he became the father of my
grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support. I'm a
hypocrite on this issue
Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if
you get caught by them.
Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has
paid their debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a
separate problem.
On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our
construction activities. Lots of them had records.
Mostly drugs. One I think had done hard time for murder
20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and was
bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to
another company but he did not have a firm offer and they
did not hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The
druggies typically fail. I have only had one druggie
success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a
success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they
almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that I
knew of.
Well when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it
was the 70s... nobody cared about that kind of thing back
then.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with
a bad felony charge
So heres a moral pickle.
An applicant with a pending criminal charge in
general, would you hire?
An applicant with a pending felony charge?
an applicant with a possession of child porn
charge?
This is one of those times where if you have ever
deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge
of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining
a constitutionalist posture may not always be
possible.
We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat
giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated
battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does
soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole
out of the conviction state, thats not something they
tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either
way.
Now the pending charges guy happens to be my
neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and
my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already
been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as
staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he
made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a
result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer
a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them
clean
Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
My nephew at age 17, had sex with his girl friend, got her pregnant and got arrested for having sex with a minor. Recently out of jail and on parole, his daughter gave him her cell phone so his parole officer could keep tabs on him. He got tossed back in jail for having her phone because she had a dating service on her phone. Is life fucked up or what? Our law system can fuck a boy for life, even after he has paid his time in jail. A hundred years ago, almost everybody's grandma probably got pregnant and married by age 14-15, this has been so for thousands of years. Suddenly we're supposed to act differently about this? 30 years ago, I caught my 17 year-old daughter in bed with a 22 year-old security guard from Great America theme park. I called the cops because I was really upset they would do this in my own house and I didn't like the guy, thought he was a creep. The cops did nothing about it, called it consensual. Turned out the guy was a creep even though he became the father of my grand-daughter and failed for years to pay child-support. I'm a hypocrite on this issue Crime is only a crime if the police decide it's a crime. and if you get caught by them. Anyone who has been to jail for a crime and did their time has paid their debt. If they want to continue to be a criminal is a separate problem. On 1/5/22 12:13, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had done hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to another company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically fail. I have only had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that I knew of. Well when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s... nobody cared about that kind of thing back then. *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge So heres a moral pickle. An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? An applicant with a pending felony charge? an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way. Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge) My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from when he was a teen of his current GF at the time (illinois codified that as a possesion of child pornagraphy a few years back) His bond was only 10,000 10% so 1000 to walk, this county never sets bonds that low on child porn charges, so it indicates a less severe issue. Our county, however doesnt indiscriminately drop sex crime charges, so that tells me its reasonably suspiscious and beyon a pic of his kid in the bathtub type of thing. He says hes fighting it, I assume all predators would say that. There is a selfish motivation for concerning myself with his employment status, we are his landlord, and we need paid. If I wasnt such a firm believer in the value of our constitution, I may not have any quandry here. Its a charge, and a bad one. But, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and as late we have seen popular opinion and guilt are not one in the same. So I hate to recommend something that goes against my core principles. I also understand that pending charges of any sort equate to lost time, but there are many reasons for a new h
Re: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
I hired everyone with a pulse at the height of our construction activities. Lots of them had records. Mostly drugs. One I think had done hard time for murder 20 years ago. That guy had a bad impulse control and was bouncing around companies. He actually quit me to go to another company but he did not have a firm offer and they did not hire him. He blamed me for this whole thing. The druggies typically fail. I have only had one druggie success story in 40 years of doing this. At least it is a success so far. They all can do OK for a while, but they almost always relapse. Never had a sex offender that I knew of. Well when I was 16 and my girlfriend was 15... it was the 70s... nobody cared about that kind of thing back then. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge So heres a moral pickle. An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? An applicant with a pending felony charge? an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way. Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge) My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from when he was a teen of his current GF at the time (illinois codified that as a possesion of child pornagraphy a few years back) His bond was only 10,000 10% so 1000 to walk, this county never sets bonds that low on child porn charges, so it indicates a less severe issue. Our county, however doesnt indiscriminately drop sex crime charges, so that tells me its reasonably suspiscious and beyon a pic of his kid in the bathtub type of thing. He says hes fighting it, I assume all predators would say that. There is a selfish motivation for concerning myself with his employment status, we are his landlord, and we need paid. If I wasnt such a firm believer in the value of our constitution, I may not have any quandry here. Its a charge, and a bad one. But, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and as late we have seen popular opinion and guilt are not one in the same. So I hate to recommend something that goes against my core principles. I also understand that pending charges of any sort equate to lost time, but there are many reasons for a new hire to miss time toward the beginning of the hire, thats a managable issue. Theres the risk of the employee going off to prison, but again, theyre unconvicted. Then there is the most real of the concerns, the charge is public knowlege, not put in papers, but available by looking up the name in the public court files (another oddity, this county always publicizes arrests of this sort, so im not sure what not doing so is about) But our customers would probably not be pleased to know we were sending pedophiles into their homes. Granted, this isnt a pedophile charge and theres no conviction, I think we all can agree that for the most part any sex offender is looked on as a pedophile, I know that until otherwise confirmed, thats how I look at them. The minute I found out about the charge I reached out to a counsellor friend on exactly how to approach my 13 year old daughter who had babysat there. I wanted to ensure had there been anything nefarious that took place my line of questioning wouldnt make her clam up. It turned out to be ok after talking to her, but this is a kid Ive known since he was little and my first response was to assume he was a pedophile. So customers would react the same It is a quandry, I dont forsee any way of hiring the guy even if I wanted to recommend it, but it does make me question my convictions I had up until this point consid
[AFMUG] OT: hiring a person with a bad felony charge
So heres a moral pickle. An applicant with a pending criminal charge in general, would you hire? An applicant with a pending felony charge? an applicant with a possession of child porn charge? This is one of those times where if you have ever deferred to the constitution, youre skirting the edge of extreme hypocrisy. But reality dictates maintaining a constitutionalist posture may not always be possible. We have one applicant on parole, we are somewhat giving him consideration, though it was an aggravated battery, so physical in nature, but his "story" does soften the charge. He was able to transfer a parole out of the conviction state, thats not something they tend to do for non compliant parolees. Could go either way. Now the pending charges guy happens to be my neighbor, my rental tenant, a shirt tail cousin, and my daughter babysat for him (that risk has already been assessed). Historically I tried to recruit him as staff, but my nephew got him a job in sales, and he made pretty good dough, better than we pay. As a result of no call no shows post arrest, hes no longer a team member at my nephews workplace (that kept them clean on the legailty of firing over an unconvicted charge) My nephew, who was his supervisor and close friend discussed the charges. What was relayed to me is it was something from when he was young and dumb catching up to him. My nephew, whose opinion i trust has the full details and said it really isnt a "serious" issue. My guess is something dumb like a nude pic on his phone from when he was a teen of his current GF at the time (illinois codified that as a possesion of child pornagraphy a few years back) His bond was only 10,000 10% so 1000 to walk, this county never sets bonds that low on child porn charges, so it indicates a less severe issue. Our county, however doesnt indiscriminately drop sex crime charges, so that tells me its reasonably suspiscious and beyon a pic of his kid in the bathtub type of thing. He says hes fighting it, I assume all predators would say that. There is a selfish motivation for concerning myself with his employment status, we are his landlord, and we need paid. If I wasnt such a firm believer in the value of our constitution, I may not have any quandry here. Its a charge, and a bad one. But, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and as late we have seen popular opinion and guilt are not one in the same. So I hate to recommend something that goes against my core principles. I also understand that pending charges of any sort equate to lost time, but there are many reasons for a new hire to miss time toward the beginning of the hire, thats a managable issue. Theres the risk of the employee going off to prison, but again, theyre unconvicted. Then there is the most real of the concerns, the charge is public knowlege, not put in papers, but available by looking up the name in the public court files (another oddity, this county always publicizes arrests of this sort, so im not sure what not doing so is about) But our customers would probably not be pleased to know we were sending pedophiles into their homes. Granted, this isnt a pedophile charge and theres no conviction, I think we all can agree that for the most part any sex offender is looked on as a pedophile, I know that until otherwise confirmed, thats how I look at them. The minute I found out about the charge I reached out to a counsellor friend on exactly how to approach my 13 year old daughter who had babysat there. I wanted to ensure had there been anything nefarious that took place my line of questioning wouldnt make her clam up. It turned out to be ok after talking to her, but this is a kid Ive known since he was little and my first response was to assume he was a pedophile. So customers would react the same It is a quandry, I dont forsee any way of hiring the guy even if I wanted to recommend it, but it does make me question my convictions I had up until this point considered to be very firm. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
That person/company is a contractor. I can't verify his or her status in this country. As far as crack, you just run a few extra bucks through the payroll company - ezpz. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 2:40 PM Steve Jones wrote: > are you actually asking how to hire illegals and get away with it? > > think of it like this, pretend youre a crack addict, and youre spending > all the company funds on crack. whatever way youd make your accountant > accept where the dough went for crack would be the same for > disappearing the illegal immigrant payouts. > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:23 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Why not? >> >> Josh Luthman >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 2:18 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> No way they qualify for 1099. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 8:19 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street >>> >>> 1099 you don't do worker's comp. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But what about workers comp coverage? >>>> >>>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street >>>> >>>> If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it >>>> down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more >>>> than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 >>>> time. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. >>>>> Cash pay at end of day. >>>>> I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you >>>>> just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 1099? >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>>>>>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>>>>>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to >>>>>>> someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> expense to some bogus item? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
are you actually asking how to hire illegals and get away with it? think of it like this, pretend youre a crack addict, and youre spending all the company funds on crack. whatever way youd make your accountant accept where the dough went for crack would be the same for disappearing the illegal immigrant payouts. On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:23 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Why not? > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 2:18 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> No way they qualify for 1099. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 8:19 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street >> >> 1099 you don't do worker's comp. >> >> Josh Luthman >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> But what about workers comp coverage? >>> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street >>> >>> If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it >>> down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more >>> than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 >>> time. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. >>>> Cash pay at end of day. >>>> I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you >>>> just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 1099? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>>>>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>>>>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >>>>>> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the >>>>>> expense >>>>>> to some bogus item? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
Why not? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 2:18 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > No way they qualify for 1099. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 8:19 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > 1099 you don't do worker's comp. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> But what about workers comp coverage? >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street >> >> If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it >> down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more >> than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 >> time. >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash >>> pay at end of day. >>> I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just >>> need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 1099? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>>>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>>>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >>>>> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the >>>>> expense >>>>> to some bogus item? >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
No way they qualify for 1099. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 8:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street 1099 you don't do worker's comp. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: But what about workers comp coverage? From: Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones wrote: I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at end of day. I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman wrote: 1099? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some bogus item? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
1099 you don't do worker's comp. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > But what about workers comp coverage? > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down > as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than > $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash >> pay at end of day. >> I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just >> need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> 1099? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >>>> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense >>>> to some bogus item? >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
Cheap rates, no questions On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:05 PM James Howard wrote: > Sounds like the ideal solution is to hire guys from “Steve’s Temp Agency > and Fertilizer Co” by the day. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 4:45 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > > > Fyi, if you have a big hole out black and shoot them at the end of the > workday, nobody has to be paid, and over time that hole becomes some prime > fertilizer as a secondary revenue stream.its best to spread your hiring > amongst multiple home depot's though so as not to deplete inventory too > quickly > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 3:31 PM James Howard wrote: > > If it’s anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that > they qualify as an independent contractor. One of the main qualifiers for > being an independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own > equipment or tools, employer cannot provide any. That disqualifies most…… > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > > > But what about workers comp coverage? > > > > *From:* Cameron Crum > > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > > > If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down > as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than > $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > > I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash > pay at end of day. > > I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just > need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > 1099? > > > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day > without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? > > Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that > is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to > some bogus item? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
Sounds like the ideal solution is to hire guys from “Steve’s Temp Agency and Fertilizer Co” by the day. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 4:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street Fyi, if you have a big hole out black and shoot them at the end of the workday, nobody has to be paid, and over time that hole becomes some prime fertilizer as a secondary revenue stream.its best to spread your hiring amongst multiple home depot's though so as not to deplete inventory too quickly On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 3:31 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote: If it’s anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that they qualify as an independent contractor. One of the main qualifiers for being an independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own equipment or tools, employer cannot provide any. That disqualifies most…… From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street But what about workers comp coverage? From: Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at end of day. I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 1099? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some bogus item? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com<http://afmug.com> is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street
Fyi, if you have a big hole out black and shoot them at the end of the workday, nobody has to be paid, and over time that hole becomes some prime fertilizer as a secondary revenue stream.its best to spread your hiring amongst multiple home depot's though so as not to deplete inventory too quickly On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 3:31 PM James Howard wrote: > If it’s anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that > they qualify as an independent contractor. One of the main qualifiers for > being an independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own > equipment or tools, employer cannot provide any. That disqualifies most…… > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > > > But what about workers comp coverage? > > > > *From:* Cameron Crum > > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > > > If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down > as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than > $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > > I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash > pay at end of day. > > I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just > need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > 1099? > > > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day > without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? > > Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that > is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to > some bogus item? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If it's anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that they qualify as an independent contractor. One of the main qualifiers for being an independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own equipment or tools, employer cannot provide any. That disqualifies most.. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street But what about workers comp coverage? From: Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at end of day. I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 1099? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some bogus item? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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You would have to account for their payroll and pay for them if your insurance company will even allow it. It looks like most won't take you on and many will drop you if you use day labor. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > But what about workers comp coverage? > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street > > If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down > as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than > $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash >> pay at end of day. >> I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just >> need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> 1099? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >>>> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense >>>> to some bogus item? >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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But what about workers comp coverage? From: Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones wrote: I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at end of day. I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman wrote: 1099? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some bogus item? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones wrote: > I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash > pay at end of day. > I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just > need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> 1099? >> >> Josh Luthman >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >>> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >>> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >>> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense >>> to some bogus item? >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at end of day. I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a place to send it from a paper with their signature on it. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > 1099? > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day >> without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? >> Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone >> that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense >> to some bogus item? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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1099? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day > without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? > Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that > is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to > some bogus item? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without running into problems with workers comp and the IRS? Do you only hire the ones with papers? No way to get a W2 to someone that is homeless. Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some bogus item?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I wish, they ghost us. From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hiring Have you ever talked to one later to get a feeling for what the mindset is? Just didn't feel like working? On 10/9/2020 3:00 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Hiring sucks these days. Was OK a few months ago. Now we are back to no-shows for interviews. No show to the first day of work for new hires. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Have you ever talked to one later to get a feeling for what the mindset is? Just didn't feel like working? On 10/9/2020 3:00 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Hiring sucks these days. Was OK a few months ago. Now we are back to no-shows for interviews. No show to the first day of work for new hires. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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For us in Canada, people could easily sit on their couches at home collecting CERB, making over minimum wage. As such our hiring for junior fiber crew - paying quite a bit more than minimum wage, but involving digging holes etc - was not going well over the last few months. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 3:01 PM wrote: > Hiring sucks these days. Was OK a few months ago. Now we are back to > no-shows for interviews. No show to the first day of work for new hires. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Hiring sucks these days. Was OK a few months ago. Now we are back to no-shows for interviews. No show to the first day of work for new hires. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
Sadly it's most likely people on unemployment not showing up as the law requires you to show proof of submitting resumes but not interviews to stay on unemployment Then you get the people who are forced to apply for jobs they don't want by their wife or parents On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:02 AM Steve Jones wrote: > If you want to make this a remote drinking position, I'm in > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:31 PM wrote: > >> A highly experienced one can get that. But entry level gets half that. >> >> *From:* can...@believewireless.net >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 2:15 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring >> >> What do you offer them? Around here, drill operators want $30+/hour plus >> a take home vehicle. >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM wrote: >> >>> Directional drilling. Semi skilled. We will train. >>> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring >>> >>> What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type >>> stuff? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: >>> >>>> We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled >>>> today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this >>>> the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively >>>> guaranteed to show >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If you want to make this a remote drinking position, I'm in On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:31 PM wrote: > A highly experienced one can get that. But entry level gets half that. > > *From:* can...@believewireless.net > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 2:15 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > What do you offer them? Around here, drill operators want $30+/hour plus a > take home vehicle. > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM wrote: > >> Directional drilling. Semi skilled. We will train. >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring >> >> What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type >> stuff? >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: >> >>> We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled >>> today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this >>> the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively >>> guaranteed to show >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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A highly experienced one can get that. But entry level gets half that. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 2:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring What do you offer them? Around here, drill operators want $30+/hour plus a take home vehicle. On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM wrote: Directional drilling. Semi skilled. We will train. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type stuff? On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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What do you offer them? Around here, drill operators want $30+/hour plus a take home vehicle. On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM wrote: > Directional drilling. Semi skilled. We will train. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type > stuff? > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: > >> We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled >> today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this >> the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively >> guaranteed to show >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Directional drilling. Semi skilled. We will train. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type stuff? On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We've seen the same issues. We do a phone interview first so they could easily say, "Let me check my schedule and get back to you." I'm guessing we see the same 20% issue that you are seeing. On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:17 PM Chris Fabien wrote: > We've had this same problem in the past. This year we advertised two days > for walk-in interviews. Have had about 16 people walk in so far and several > very good candidates. Might be worth a shot. At least you get people that > are motivated enough to show up. > Chris > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:04 PM wrote: > >> Outside Salt Lake City. >> >> *From:* Steven Kenney >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:00 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring >> >> Remind me where you are from Chuck? We had all sorts of difficulties >> finding good people down in the USA. Pay was better in all the other >> industries, especially oil. So nobody would go to a job that paid so much >> less. You looking for installers, techs? >> >> I find this is a problem in a lot of areas finding people who "get it" in >> this industry. There really is no school for it and most WISPs are self >> taught self motivated people with some original skills. So people coming >> in need to have a desire to work and learn something new our our brand of >> wireless. Problem is most wireless engineers get into it for big dollars >> at a major telecom. >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> -- >> *From: *"chuck" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:20:27 PM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Hiring >> >> We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled >> today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this >> the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively >> guaranteed to show >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We've had this same problem in the past. This year we advertised two days for walk-in interviews. Have had about 16 people walk in so far and several very good candidates. Might be worth a shot. At least you get people that are motivated enough to show up. Chris On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:04 PM wrote: > Outside Salt Lake City. > > *From:* Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:00 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > Remind me where you are from Chuck? We had all sorts of difficulties > finding good people down in the USA. Pay was better in all the other > industries, especially oil. So nobody would go to a job that paid so much > less. You looking for installers, techs? > > I find this is a problem in a lot of areas finding people who "get it" in > this industry. There really is no school for it and most WISPs are self > taught self motivated people with some original skills. So people coming > in need to have a desire to work and learn something new our our brand of > wireless. Problem is most wireless engineers get into it for big dollars > at a major telecom. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"chuck" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:20:27 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Hiring > > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. > So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio > was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to > show > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type stuff? On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM wrote: > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. > So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio > was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to > show > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Outside Salt Lake City. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring Remind me where you are from Chuck? We had all sorts of difficulties finding good people down in the USA. Pay was better in all the other industries, especially oil. So nobody would go to a job that paid so much less. You looking for installers, techs? I find this is a problem in a lot of areas finding people who "get it" in this industry. There really is no school for it and most WISPs are self taught self motivated people with some original skills. So people coming in need to have a desire to work and learn something new our our brand of wireless. Problem is most wireless engineers get into it for big dollars at a major telecom. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "chuck" To: "af" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:20:27 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I would guess that money and the status of working for spacex would help with that. Last I heard they get a ton of job applications for each posting so then it becomes filtering for the best. On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:55 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Some people are not “morning people”. Maybe schedule interviews in the > afternoon. On the other hand, if the job involves showing up at 8am, maybe > this is the first test and it is working. The first step to success is > showing up. > > > > Elon Musk reportedly called a 1am Sunday meeting and then hired 250 people > over the next 48 hours. What’s his secret? > > > https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24982/20200309/elon-musk-s-1am-sunday-morning-meeting-what-does-it-say-about-his-leadership.htm > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:45 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > #5 showed up. > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > 3% unemployment... > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled > interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social > distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to > cancel. > > > > How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through > some recruiting site? > > > > I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. > Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In > my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore > watches and had to actually change the time. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. > So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio > was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to > show > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) My website <http://zachunderwood.me> advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think his secret is that he's hiring people to build spaceships... On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Some people are not “morning people”. Maybe schedule interviews in the > afternoon. On the other hand, if the job involves showing up at 8am, maybe > this is the first test and it is working. The first step to success is > showing up. > > > > Elon Musk reportedly called a 1am Sunday meeting and then hired 250 people > over the next 48 hours. What’s his secret? > > > https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24982/20200309/elon-musk-s-1am-sunday-morning-meeting-what-does-it-say-about-his-leadership.htm > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:45 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > #5 showed up. > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > 3% unemployment... > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled > interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social > distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to > cancel. > > > > How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through > some recruiting site? > > > > I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. > Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In > my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore > watches and had to actually change the time. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. > So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio > was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to > show > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Remind me where you are from Chuck? We had all sorts of difficulties finding good people down in the USA. Pay was better in all the other industries, especially oil. So nobody would go to a job that paid so much less. You looking for installers, techs? I find this is a problem in a lot of areas finding people who "get it" in this industry. There really is no school for it and most WISPs are self taught self motivated people with some original skills. So people coming in need to have a desire to work and learn something new our our brand of wireless. Problem is most wireless engineers get into it for big dollars at a major telecom. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "chuck" To: "af" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:20:27 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Wow, statistics worked! On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:45 PM wrote: > #5 showed up. > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > 3% unemployment... > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled > interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social > distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to > cancel. > > > > How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through > some recruiting site? > > > > I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. > Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In > my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore > watches and had to actually change the time. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > > > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. > So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio > was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to > show > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Eric Nielsen 571-508-7409 ericlniel...@gmail.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Some people are not “morning people”. Maybe schedule interviews in the afternoon. On the other hand, if the job involves showing up at 8am, maybe this is the first test and it is working. The first step to success is showing up. Elon Musk reportedly called a 1am Sunday meeting and then hired 250 people over the next 48 hours. What’s his secret? https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24982/20200309/elon-musk-s-1am-sunday-morning-meeting-what-does-it-say-about-his-leadership.htm From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:45 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring #5 showed up. From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring 3% unemployment... Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to cancel. How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through some recruiting site? I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore watches and had to actually change the time. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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#5 showed up. From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring 3% unemployment... Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to cancel. How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through some recruiting site? I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore watches and had to actually change the time. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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3% unemployment... Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled interview. > Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was “social distancing” due to > coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to cancel. > > How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through some > recruiting site? > > I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. > Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me. In my > defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore > watches and had to actually change the time. > > > From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring > > We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So > far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was > 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled interview. Am I that far behind the times? Even if this was "social distancing" due to coronavirus, I'd think people would call/email/text to cancel. How are you setting up the interviews? Phone? Email? Online through some recruiting site? I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change. Amazingly, I got the job, you'd think that would have disqualified me. In my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore watches and had to actually change the time. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hiring We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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They have to wait until they're out of quarantine. bp On 3/10/2020 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I cannot understand why a person agrees to an interview and then doesn't go. On 3/10/2020 12:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT Hiring
We are doing another round of hiring. Had 12 interviews scheduled today. So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up. Last time we did this the ratio was 1 out of 5. So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to show-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
