Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I don't know that it's an odd choice. Running hundreds (or
  thousands?) of dealerships is an enormous overhead; especially if
  they are independent. The law in the affected states is to protect
  independent dealers from factory-supported dealers. If you only
  have factory-supported dealers, there are no independents to
  protect.


bp



On 10/28/2019 9:23 AM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  True, but things like only selling direct seems like an odd choice, since
it makes things a bit complicated in states where that's not currently
legal (which the case in Wisconsin, although that's supposed to be
changing), and the fact that it seems to be almost impossible to talk to
somebody at Tesla on the phone.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:15 AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
They are operating more like a software company than a car company. Their
ability to roll out updates to cars in the field is very un-Detroit. I
don't know that they are trying to be different so much as they look at
problems with a distinctly different perspective from existing ICE
manufacturers. The fact that most of the ICE manufacturers have been making
cars for the better part of a century also means that they might be slow on
absorbing this new reality.


bp



On 10/28/2019 9:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

The thing is, Tesla seems to be trying very hard to not behave like a car
company... and a lot of the time, it seems like they do things the way they
do just for the sake of being different.
I never dealt with the sales side of Tesla (I bought mine used from local
dealer), but I have to say that dealing with the service center was,
overall, a pretty good experience. The people there went out of their way
to be helpful.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Robert Andrews  
wrote:


Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real
sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing
a good side to the company.   There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are
fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes.   You always want to sell
a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can
ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support.  The
blocking and tackling of being a company.


On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
balance to pull off.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com > wrote:

We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.

On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
the passenger in the "driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
point self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
<cr...@totalhighspeed.net  > wrote:

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.
 Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
point.

Craig



 

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 >
*Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Mathew Howard]

True, but things like only selling direct seems like an odd choice, since
it makes things a bit complicated in states where that's not currently
legal (which the case in Wisconsin, although that's supposed to be
changing), and the fact that it seems to be almost impossible to talk to
somebody at Tesla on the phone.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:15 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> They are operating more like a software company than a car company. Their
> ability to roll out updates to cars in the field is very un-Detroit. I
> don't know that they are trying to be different so much as they look at
> problems with a distinctly different perspective from existing ICE
> manufacturers. The fact that most of the ICE manufacturers have been making
> cars for the better part of a century also means that they might be slow on
> absorbing this new reality.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/28/2019 9:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> The thing is, Tesla seems to be trying very hard to not behave like a car
> company... and a lot of the time, it seems like they do things the way they
> do just for the sake of being different.
> I never dealt with the sales side of Tesla (I bought mine used from local
> dealer), but I have to say that dealing with the service center was,
> overall, a pretty good experience. The people there went out of their way
> to be helpful.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Robert Andrews  
> 
> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real
> sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing
> a good side to the company.   There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are
> fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes.   You always want to sell
> a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can
> ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support.  The
> blocking and tackling of being a company.
>
>
> On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
> there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
> balance to pull off.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> 
> > wrote:
>
> We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
> that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
> autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
> close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
> it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.
>
> On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
> caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
> car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
> the passenger in the "driver's seat".
>
> I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
> point self-driving is widespread.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
> mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> 
> > wrote:
>
> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.
>  Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
> seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
> about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
> consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
> the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
> driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
> driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
> not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
> beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
> do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
> sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
> replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
> that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
> a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
> point.
>
>     Craig
>
>
>
>  
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> >
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>
> Researchers taught lab rat

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They are operating more like a software company than a car
  company. Their ability to roll out updates to cars in the field is
  very un-Detroit. I don't know that they are trying to be different
  so much as they look at problems with a distinctly different
  perspective from existing ICE manufacturers. The fact that most of
  the ICE manufacturers have been making cars for the better part of
  a century also means that they might be slow on absorbing this new
  reality.


bp



On 10/28/2019 9:08 AM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  The thing is, Tesla seems to be trying very hard to not behave like a car
company... and a lot of the time, it seems like they do things the way they
do just for the sake of being different.
I never dealt with the sales side of Tesla (I bought mine used from local
dealer), but I have to say that dealing with the service center was,
overall, a pretty good experience. The people there went out of their way
to be helpful.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:


  
Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real
sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing
a good side to the company.   There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are
fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes.   You always want to sell
a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can
ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support.  The
blocking and tackling of being a company.


On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


  I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
balance to pull off.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
> wrote:

We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.

On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  
It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
the passenger in the "driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
point self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
<cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote:

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.
 Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
point.

Craig



  

 


  
*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com >
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
        >
    *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
Implications for self driving cars?

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had
a greater sense of control over their environment that was
accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent
version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in
humans," Lambert said in a statement.

tl;dr – driving is fun



  

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031


  

*From:* AF 

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Mathew Howard]

The thing is, Tesla seems to be trying very hard to not behave like a car
company... and a lot of the time, it seems like they do things the way they
do just for the sake of being different.
I never dealt with the sales side of Tesla (I bought mine used from local
dealer), but I have to say that dealing with the service center was,
overall, a pretty good experience. The people there went out of their way
to be helpful.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real
> sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing
> a good side to the company.   There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are
> fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes.   You always want to sell
> a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can
> ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support.  The
> blocking and tackling of being a company.
>
>
> On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
> > there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
> > balance to pull off.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert  > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
> > that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
> > autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
> > close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
> > it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.
> >
> > On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >> It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
> >> caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
> >> car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
> >> the passenger in the "driver's seat".
> >>
> >> I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
> >> point self-driving is widespread.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
> >> mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.
> >>  Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers
> >> seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
> >> about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
> >> consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
> >> the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
> >> driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
> >> driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
> >> not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
> >> beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
> >> do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
> >> sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
> >> replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
> >> that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
> >> a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
> >> point.
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
>  
> >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
> >>
> >> Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
> >> Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
> >> Implications for self driving cars?
> >>
> >> "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had
> >> a greater sense of control over their environment that was
> >>     accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent
> >> version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in
> >> humans," Lambert said in a statement.
> >>
> >> tl;dr – driving is fun
> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Might be a Texas thing. Around here, Teslas are thicker than
  flies.
This guy thinks the Model Y is some kind of big deal:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2019/10/27/tesla-model-y-will-kill-the-crossover-competition-heres-why/#64766a0f3999
bp



On 10/27/2019 5:55 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult balance
to pull off.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert  wrote:


  
We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find that
all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_ autopilot,
the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very close to drive you
around with any model they sell right now, but it's no where close to what
they consider autopilot.

On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused
by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will
also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the
"driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point
self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House 
wrote:



  I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in
a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for
me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last
weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting
behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving
and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a
person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving
cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding
this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone
should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be
sent all the way to the top at some point.

Craig

--
*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.
Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for
self driving cars?



"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater
sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased
DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy
or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.



tl;dr – driving is fun




https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031





*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog



No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in
the car.



On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their
design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.



[image: photograph]


*Daniel White *Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations

*phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
*direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android



We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
curve is looking steep.












* Ryan Hill *

   Operations Manager

 *Amplex I**nternet*

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047

  www.amplex.net











On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:



Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.



I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise
control.  At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The
sat-nav operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in
the center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.



Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Robert Andrews]

Yeah, the whole thing about buying off the website and not having real 
sales people in the showrooms is biting them in the ass and not showing 
a good side to the company.   There are a lot of parts of Tesla that are 
fundamentally broken as far as a Company goes.   You always want to sell 
a product that sells itself, but that doesn't mean that a company can 
ignore the fundamentals of good customer interaction and support.  The 
blocking and tackling of being a company.



On 10/27/2019 05:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people 
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult 
balance to pull off.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find
that all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_
autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very
close to drive you around with any model they sell right now, but
it's no where close to what they consider autopilot.

On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents
caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The
car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily
the passenger in the "driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the
point self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway. 
 Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers

seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion
about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the
consequences of being under the influence and getting behind
the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the
driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not
driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are
not technically driving.  And considering this is just the
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point
do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm
sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be
a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some
point.

Craig


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
Implications for self driving cars?

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had
a greater sense of control over their environment that was
accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent
version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in
humans," Lambert said in a statement.

tl;dr – driving is fun


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro
drinking in the car.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get
used to their design quirks you miss them in American
made/Japanese made cars.

photograph



*Daniel White
*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations

*phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
*direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770


Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend,
and the learning curve is looking steep.


/ Ryan Hill /

 Operations Manager

*Amplex I**nternet*

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Lewis Bergman]

Maybe, especially in Texas. I just came make a car that can only go 200
miles work out here.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 12:37 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/27/19 10:28 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I think that is the definition of retail sales.
>
>
> I'd bet disproportionately more for people "looking" at a Tesla Model S
> or X.
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[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/27/19 10:28 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think that is the definition of retail sales.



I'd bet disproportionately more for people "looking" at a Tesla Model S 
or X.


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[Lewis Bergman]

I think that is the definition of retail sales.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 12:27 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/27/19 5:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
> > there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult
> > balance to pull off.
>
>
> Probably too long dealing with thousands of people that just want to
> look but never actually buy anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/27/19 5:55 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people 
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult 
balance to pull off.



Probably too long dealing with thousands of people that just want to 
look but never actually buy anything.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Travelog update

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depending on what you used to pay for the rental car, you may find that
there is additional coverage that will cover whatever the deductible is.
Some may be secondary to all other forms of insurance which might apply
(such as your personal auto insurance if applicable).  The credit card I
use for this type of stuff (Chase Sapphire Reserve) is one of a handful
(mostly from Chase) that provides primary coverage for collision and damage
which is part of the reason why I carry it.

As a result, I tend to take the rental insurance out only when out of the
country or when I'm renting something odd, like a RV.  This is mostly for
liability and not the damage waiver since the portability of my personal
insurance to something which doesn't fit into the same category or country
as my home vehicle is always questionable.

I definitely agree with you about the poshness of some of the places in
Monaco,  We skipped a few of the places we would have liked to visit just
because of the dress code.   Still loved the stuff we saw.

I tend to be a fairly cheap traveler, so not only do I try to find the
places which are both inexpensive and also places which are near public
transit hubs or at least reasonably close to the main transit for the area.
For example, in Nice we picked a hotel which was near a bus stop from the
Airport and was also across the street from both the main train station and
the Trolley/Light Rail.   Everywhere we went in the area (including Monaco)
then became a day trip - hop on a train to the city, then walk around or
use public transit in the area.




On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:25 AM  wrote:

> Monaco is best seen by the double decker tour bus I think.
>
> Tore a hole in the rented Mercedes on some concrete blocks on the side of
> the check-in area of the Monaco Marriott.  Arrgh.  Below the headlight.
> Whole front end will have to be replaced.  I did get the insurance at Hertz
> this time.  First time I ever bought the extra insurance.  Still $1500
> deductable.  Probably a $5K repair.  Not sure what to expect when I return
> the car.  First time I have ever damaged a rental.
>
> Staying at the fanciest hotel in Monte Carlo this evening.  More of a
> lifetime bragging rights thing than anything else.  We are literally next
> door to the original casino.  Michelin 3 star restaurant here.  I have
> never eaten at any star Michelin anything before.  I did not bring a suit
> coat.  They don’t want to let me in without one, they are checking with
> housekeeping to see if they have one I can borrow.  Again, a once in a
> lifetime bragging rights thing.  This is a very uncomfortable level of posh
> for me.  My standards are one step above Motel 6...
>
> Still surprisingly easy to drive around here.  Good GPS but it is
> intuitive.  Narrow streets (with angry concrete blocks in some areas).
> That bus driver was crazy good, making hard left turns inside a tunnel that
> seemed to tight for a VW bug.
>
> Sunday has most commercial places closed.  I was going to try to buy a
> blazer so I could eat a $150/plate meal tonight...  (I am a $2 taco cart
> type of guy.  )
>
> Good gyros down in the carnival area.  They had a southwest saracha type
> of sauce.  No greek sauce of any type.  But it was very yummy.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Travelog update

[Robert]

Living the rich life, don't need to do it all the time, but getting to 
do it a couple of times in your life keeps you grounded in what's 
important...


On 10/27/19 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Monaco is best seen by the double decker tour bus I think.
Tore a hole in the rented Mercedes on some concrete blocks on the side 
of the check-in area of the Monaco Marriott.  Arrgh.  Below the 
headlight.  Whole front end will have to be replaced.  I did get the 
insurance at Hertz this time.  First time I ever bought the extra 
insurance. Still $1500 deductable.  Probably a $5K repair.  Not sure 
what to expect when I return the car.  First time I have ever damaged 
a rental.
Staying at the fanciest hotel in Monte Carlo this evening.  More of a 
lifetime bragging rights thing than anything else.  We are literally 
next door to the original casino.  Michelin 3 star restaurant here.  I 
have never eaten at any star Michelin anything before.  I did not 
bring a suit coat.  They don’t want to let me in without one, they are 
checking with housekeeping to see if they have one I can borrow.  
Again, a once in a lifetime bragging rights thing. This is a very 
uncomfortable level of posh for me.  My standards are one step above 
Motel 6...
Still surprisingly easy to drive around here.  Good GPS but it is 
intuitive.  Narrow streets (with angry concrete blocks in some 
areas).  That bus driver was crazy good, making hard left turns inside 
a tunnel that seemed to tight for a VW bug.
Sunday has most commercial places closed.  I was going to try to buy a 
blazer so I could eat a $150/plate meal tonight...  (I am a $2 taco 
cart type of guy.  )
Good gyros down in the carnival area.  They had a southwest saracha 
type of sauce.  No greek sauce of any type.  But it was very yummy.




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[AFMUG] OT Travelog update

[chuck]

Monaco is best seen by the double decker tour bus I think.

Tore a hole in the rented Mercedes on some concrete blocks on the side of the 
check-in area of the Monaco Marriott.  Arrgh.  Below the headlight.  Whole 
front end will have to be replaced.  I did get the insurance at Hertz this 
time.  First time I ever bought the extra insurance.  Still $1500 deductable.  
Probably a $5K repair.  Not sure what to expect when I return the car.  First 
time I have ever damaged a rental.

Staying at the fanciest hotel in Monte Carlo this evening.  More of a lifetime 
bragging rights thing than anything else.  We are literally next door to the 
original casino.  Michelin 3 star restaurant here.  I have never eaten at any 
star Michelin anything before.  I did not bring a suit coat.  They don’t want 
to let me in without one, they are checking with housekeeping to see if they 
have one I can borrow.  Again, a once in a lifetime bragging rights thing.  
This is a very uncomfortable level of posh for me.  My standards are one step 
above Motel 6...

Still surprisingly easy to drive around here.  Good GPS but it is intuitive.  
Narrow streets (with angry concrete blocks in some areas).  That bus driver was 
crazy good, making hard left turns inside a tunnel that seemed to tight for a 
VW bug.

Sunday has most commercial places closed.  I was going to try to buy a blazer 
so I could eat a $150/plate meal tonight...  (I am a $2 taco cart type of guy.  
)

Good gyros down in the carnival area.  They had a southwest saracha type of 
sauce.  No greek sauce of any type.  But it was very yummy.  -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Lewis Bergman]

I looked at one when I was in Dallas at the mall. The two sales people
there were being both disinterested and rude, which is a difficult balance
to pull off.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM Robert  wrote:

> We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find that
> all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_ autopilot,
> the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very close to drive you
> around with any model they sell right now, but it's no where close to what
> they consider autopilot.
>
> On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused
> by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will
> also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the
> "driver's seat".
>
> I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point
> self-driving is widespread.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House 
> wrote:
>
>> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in
>> a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for
>> me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last
>> weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting
>> behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving
>> and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a
>> person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
>> considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving
>> cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding
>> this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
>> replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone
>> should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be
>> sent all the way to the top at some point.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>>
>> Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.
>> Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for
>> self driving cars?
>>
>>
>>
>> "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater
>> sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased
>> DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy
>> or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> tl;dr – driving is fun
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>>
>>
>>
>> No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in
>> the car.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their
>> design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>>
>>
>> *Daniel White *Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>>
>> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
>> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>>
>> Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
>>
>> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
>>
>>
>>
>> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
>> curve is looking steep.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * Ryan Hill *
>>
>>Operations Manager
>>
>>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>>
>>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>>
>>   www.amplex.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
>> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
>> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after s

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Robert]

We went in to try a Tesla last week, I was very interested to find that 
all the driverless features that they have right now are _not_ 
autopilot, the, now, $6K option.  So basically the car can very close to 
drive you around with any model they sell right now, but it's no where 
close to what they consider autopilot.


On 10/26/19 12:26 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents 
caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car 
itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the 
passenger in the "driver's seat".


I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the 
point self-driving is widespread.




On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:


I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway. 
 Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat
is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and
self driving cars last weekend.  What is the consequences of being
under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a self driving
car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the
drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held
responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self
driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the
books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling
to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm
certainly not promoting that someone should do this but we all
know it is going to be a court case that will be sent all the way
to the top at some point.

Craig


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot
Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.
Implications for self driving cars?

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a
greater sense of control over their environment that was
accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of
what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert
said in a statement.

tl;dr – driving is fun


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro
drinking in the car.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get
used to their design quirks you miss them in American
made/Japanese made cars.

photograph



*Daniel White
*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations

*phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
*direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770


Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and
the learning curve is looking steep.


/ Ryan Hill /

 Operations Manager

*Amplex I**nternet*

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047

www.amplex.net <http://www.amplex.net>



On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a
couple hours West.  I am totally handicapped now with
my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. 
Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the
cruise control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the
wheel.

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have
adaptive cruise control.  At least if it does I cannot
figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was
totally unintuitive. Had a weird touch pad thing in
the center console.  Very difficult to program in a
destination address.

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We have BART* up here by our house. Free. Come & go anytime
  you like, but you have to be on foot, trail bike or horse.


bp


* BART = Bay Area Ridge Trail.
 
On 10/26/2019 2:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  anyone remember BART...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:04 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

I remember when they built the “people mover” at O’Hare airport in 1993, they ran empty test trains for a long, long time, something like 6 months, before they dared to carry live passengers.  This despite operating on rails, stopping only at the same 5 places, never encountering other vehicles or pedestrians, and traveling at a maximum speed of 26 mph.  Evidently we’ve become a lot more comfortable with driverless vehicles.  Well, unless it’s a Boeing 737 Max.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 2:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the "driver's seat".

 

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point self-driving is widespread.   

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House  wrote:

  I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

   

  Craig

   


--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

   

  Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

   

  "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

   

  tl;dr – driving is fun

   

  https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

   

  No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the car. 

   

  On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


 Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
   
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
   
 
 

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

  Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

   

  We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is looking steep.

   

   

  

   




   Ryan Hill 

 Operations Manager

   Amplex Internet

(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

www.amplex.net

   

   

   

   

   

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav op

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Mike Hammett]

I've been using Google Pay (or its predecessors) for several years. So much 
better\easier. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 4:38:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 




this is the reason I don’t go in anymore. I have enjoyed the tap to pay while 
on this trip. First time for me. Now to try to do it with me cell phone. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 8:04 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 



I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at office, buy 
gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds. I am used to being some kind of freak 
for coming inside instead of going through the drive-thru (I abuse my SUV but 
not by eating in it). 

But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to order at the 
kiosk. Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I guess because I looked 
too old to understand touchscreen technology? But then I wanted to pay with 
cash not a card (I don’t like putting incidental purchases on a card). So they 
had to call a teenager up from the back to take my old timey money at a 
register. 

They are trying real hard to make me feel old. 

The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash. Probably a 
self-driving car with a delivery robot? Why is all this modern stuff not making 
me feel like George Jetson? More like Blade Runner or Minority Report. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 



I would agree. Especially since I am a control freak anyway. Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me. My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend. What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car? If the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers 
seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI? 
They are not technically driving. And considering this is just the beginning of 
the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws 
on the books regarding this? I'm sure the states are already scrambling to 
figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines. I'm certainly not promoting 
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that 
will be sent all the way to the top at some point. 



Craig 


- Original Message -


From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 




Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops. Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress. Implications for self driving cars? 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement. 

tl;dr – driving is fun 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 


No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 



On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White < dwh...@atheral.com > wrote: 




German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars. 



photograph  

Daniel White 
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations 

phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56: 


Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android 



We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep. 











Ryan Hill 

Operations Manager 

Amplex I nternet 

(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

www.amplex.net 












On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West. I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping. Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control. Also 
am apt to take my hands off the wheel. 



I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not 

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[chuck]

this is the reason I don’t go in anymore.  I have enjoyed the tap to pay while 
on this trip. First time for me.  Now to try to do it with me cell phone.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 8:04 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at office, buy 
gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds.  I am used to being some kind of 
freak for coming inside instead of going through the drive-thru (I abuse my SUV 
but not by eating in it).

 

But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to order at the 
kiosk.  Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I guess because I looked 
too old to understand touchscreen technology?  But then I wanted to pay with 
cash not a card (I don’t like putting incidental purchases on a card).  So they 
had to call a teenager up from the back to take my old timey money at a 
register.

 

They are trying real hard to make me feel old.

 

The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash.  Probably a 
self-driving car with a delivery robot?  Why is all this modern stuff not 
making me feel like George Jetson?  More like Blade Runner or Minority Report.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the 
drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for 
DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the 
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start 
putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already 
scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly 
not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a 
court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

 

Craig

 




From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

 

tl;dr – driving is fun

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:

  German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their 
design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

   


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
 
   
   

  Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

 

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve 
is looking steep.

 

 



 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

  www.amplex.net

 

 

 

 

 

  On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:

   

  Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I 
am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

   

  I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control. 
 At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation 
was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  
Very difficult to program in a destination address.  

   

  Never drove a Mercedes before.  N

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[chuck]

anyone remember BART...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:04 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

I remember when they built the “people mover” at O’Hare airport in 1993, they 
ran empty test trains for a long, long time, something like 6 months, before 
they dared to carry live passengers.  This despite operating on rails, stopping 
only at the same 5 places, never encountering other vehicles or pedestrians, 
and traveling at a maximum speed of 26 mph.  Evidently we’ve become a lot more 
comfortable with driverless vehicles.  Well, unless it’s a Boeing 737 Max.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 2:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused by 
self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will also be 
'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the "driver's seat".

 

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point 
self-driving is widespread.   

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House  wrote:

  I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a 
self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  
My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What 
is the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel 
of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the 
drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for 
DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the 
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start 
putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already 
scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly 
not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a 
court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

   

  Craig

   


--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

   

  Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis 
of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving 
cars?

   

  "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater 
sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA 
— something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or 
agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

   

  tl;dr – driving is fun

   

  
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

   

  No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 

   

  On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their 
design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


 Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
   
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
   
 
 

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

  Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

   

  We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning 
curve is looking steep.

   

   

  

   




   Ryan Hill 

 Operations Manager

   Amplex Internet

(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

www.amplex.net

   

   

   

   

   

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  
I am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise 
control.  At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav 
operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center 
console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.  

 

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.  

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I had a similar experience last year when I was in downtown San
  Jose. I'd been with friends participating in a volunteer project,
  and we all decided to go over to a new brew pub/burger bar around
  the corner. I ordered a burger and a brew, and the tab came to
  about $16. I handed the guy a 20, and he groused so much because
  he "had to walk all the way over to the cash register to make
  change". It was maybe 15 feet away from where we were standing.
Hey. Who's the old guy here? The one using old-timey money, or
  the guy who can't get up the energy to walk 15 feet?


bp



On 10/26/2019 11:04 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at office, buy gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds.  I am used to being some kind of freak for coming inside instead of going through the drive-thru (I abuse my SUV but not by eating in it).

 

But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to order at the kiosk.  Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I guess because I looked too old to understand touchscreen technology?  But then I wanted to pay with cash not a card (I don’t like putting incidental purchases on a card).  So they had to call a teenager up from the back to take my old timey money at a register.

 

They are trying real hard to make me feel old.

 

The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash.  Probably a self-driving car with a delivery robot?  Why is all this modern stuff not making me feel like George Jetson?  More like Blade Runner or Minority Report.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

 

Craig

 

  _  

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com  >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com  >
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

 

tl;dr – driving is fun

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com  > On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the car. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com  > wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


   


Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770

	

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

 

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is looking steep.

 

 



 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

www.amplex.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com  > <ch...@wbmfg.com  > wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am su

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Ken Hohhof]

I remember when they built the “people mover” at O’Hare airport in 1993, they 
ran empty test trains for a long, long time, something like 6 months, before 
they dared to carry live passengers.  This despite operating on rails, stopping 
only at the same 5 places, never encountering other vehicles or pedestrians, 
and traveling at a maximum speed of 26 mph.  Evidently we’ve become a lot more 
comfortable with driverless vehicles.  Well, unless it’s a Boeing 737 Max.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 2:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused by 
self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will also be 
'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the "driver's seat".

 

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point 
self-driving is widespread.   

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote:

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the 
drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for 
DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the 
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start 
putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already 
scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly 
not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a 
court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

 

Craig

 


  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

 

tl;dr – driving is fun

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


  
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Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

 

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.

 

 



 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

   <http://www.amplex.net> www.amplex.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.  

 

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

We were in Nice about a year ago.   One of the favorite things my wife and
I did was take the train to Tende, have lunch there, and then come back.
 Scenic views, and some rather interesting track to climb up through the
Alps.  I also enjoyed just walking around Monaco and a few of the other
"towns" on the coast.   We also ended up at a couple museums including the
Picasso museum in Antibes.

I hope to get back into that area sometime when it's warmer so I can tour
the Verdon area which apparently is really pretty as well, but not really
the best place to drive in November.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 6:52 AM  wrote:

> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
> control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
>
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.
> At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
> operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the
> center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.
>
> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

It sounds like the expectation is that the liability for accidents caused
by self-driving cars will rest on the manufacturer.  The car itself will
also be 'licensed' to drive, and not necessarily the passenger in the
"driver's seat".

I expect the auto insurance business to take a drastic hit at the point
self-driving is widespread.



On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:51 AM Craig House 
wrote:

> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a
> self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for
> me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last
> weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting
> behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving
> and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a
> person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
> considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving
> cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding
> this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
> replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone
> should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be
> sent all the way to the top at some point.
>
> Craig
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>
> Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.
> Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for
> self driving cars?
>
>
>
> "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater
> sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased
> DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy
> or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.
>
>
>
> tl;dr – driving is fun
>
>
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>
>
>
> No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in
> the car.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
> German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their
> design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>
> Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
>
> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
>
>
>
> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
> curve is looking steep.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Ryan Hill *
>
>Operations Manager
>
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
>
>
>
> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
> control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
>
>
>
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.
> At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
> operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the
> center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.
>
>
>
> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, guilty as charged.

Maybe I can find the restaurant from Back to the Future, where Marty orders a 
Pepsi and runs into old Biff.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 1:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Cause you are eating at McDonalds...

On 10/26/2019 11:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at 
> office, buy gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds.  I am used to 
> being some kind of freak for coming inside instead of going through 
> the drive-thru (I abuse my SUV but not by eating in it).
> 
> But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to 
> order at the kiosk.  Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I 
> guess because I looked too old to understand touchscreen technology?  
> But then I wanted to pay with cash not a card (I don’t like putting 
> incidental purchases on a card).  So they had to call a teenager up 
> from the back to take my old timey money at a register.
> 
> They are trying real hard to make me feel old.
> 
> The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash.  
> Probably a self-driving car with a delivery robot?  Why is all this 
> modern stuff not making me feel like George Jetson?  More like Blade 
> Runner or Minority Report.
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
> 
> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in 
> a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too 
> stressful for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self 
> driving cars last weekend.  What is the consequences of being under 
> the influence and getting behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If 
> the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers seat is 
> impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI?  
> They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the 
> beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do 
> states start putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the 
> states are already scrambling to figure out how to replace lost 
> revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone should 
> do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be sent all 
> the way to the top at some point.
> 
> Craig
> 
> --
> --
> 
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
> 
> Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  
> Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications 
> for self driving cars?
> 
> "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a 
> greater sense of control over their environment that was accompanied 
> by increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer 
> to as self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.
> 
> tl;dr – driving is fun
> 
> https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-c
> ars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
> 
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
> 
> No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking 
> in the car.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
> 
> German cars in general are very different but once you get used to
> their design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.
> 
> photograph
> 
>   
> 
> *Daniel White
> *Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> 
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
> 
> Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
> 
> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
> 
> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the
> learning curve is looking steep.
> 
> 
> / Ryan Hill /
> 
> Operations Manager
> 
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> 
>(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
> 
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> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Robert Andrews]

Cause you are eating at McDonalds...

On 10/26/2019 11:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at 
office, buy gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds.  I am used to 
being some kind of freak for coming inside instead of going through the 
drive-thru (I abuse my SUV but not by eating in it).


But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to order 
at the kiosk.  Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I guess 
because I looked too old to understand touchscreen technology?  But then 
I wanted to pay with cash not a card (I don’t like putting incidental 
purchases on a card).  So they had to call a teenager up from the back 
to take my old timey money at a register.


They are trying real hard to make me feel old.

The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash.  Probably 
a self-driving car with a delivery robot?  Why is all this modern stuff 
not making me feel like George Jetson?  More like Blade Runner or 
Minority Report.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Craig House
*Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in 
a self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful 
for me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last 
weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and 
getting behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the 
driving and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, 
can a person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically 
driving.  And considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward 
self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the 
books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to 
figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not 
promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be 
a court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.


Craig



*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

*Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  
Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for 
self driving cars?


"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater 
sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by 
increased DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as 
self-efficacy or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.


tl;dr – driving is fun

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman

*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in 
the car.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:


German cars in general are very different but once you get used to
their design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

photograph



*Daniel White
*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations

*phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
*direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the
learning curve is looking steep.


/ Ryan Hill /

Operations Manager

*Amplex I**nternet*

   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047

www.amplex.net <http://www.amplex.net>

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple
hours West.  I am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s
adaptive cruise control and lane keeping.  Just about
rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  Also
am apt to take my hands off the wheel.

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive
cruise control.  At least if it does I cannot figure out how
to use it.  The sat-nav operation was totally unintuitive. 
Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very

difficult to program in a destination address.

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to aga

Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Ken Hohhof]

I just got back from running some errands – stop at PO Box, stop at office, buy 
gas, and then grabbed lunch at McDonalds.  I am used to being some kind of 
freak for coming inside instead of going through the drive-thru (I abuse my SUV 
but not by eating in it).

 

But this time all the registers had signs taped to them saying to order at the 
kiosk.  Then some guy comes over to operate it for me, I guess because I looked 
too old to understand touchscreen technology?  But then I wanted to pay with 
cash not a card (I don’t like putting incidental purchases on a card).  So they 
had to call a teenager up from the back to take my old timey money at a 
register.

 

They are trying real hard to make me feel old.

 

The registers also had a sign promoting delivery via DoorDash.  Probably a 
self-driving car with a delivery robot?  Why is all this modern stuff not 
making me feel like George Jetson?  More like Blade Runner or Minority Report.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me.  My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend.  What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving and the person in the 
drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for 
DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And considering this is just the 
beginning of the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start 
putting laws on the books regarding this?  I'm sure the states are already 
scrambling to figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly 
not promoting that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a 
court case that will be sent all the way to the top at some point.

 

Craig

 

  _  

From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

 

tl;dr – driving is fun

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


  
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Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

 

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.

 

 



 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

   <http://www.amplex.net> www.amplex.net

 

 

 

 

 

On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.  

 

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.  

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[can...@believewireless.net]

I would rather have a drunk in a self-driving car then them driving it
themselves.

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:51 AM Craig House 
wrote:

> I would agree.  Especially since I am a control freak anyway.   Being in a
> self driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for
> me.  My family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last
> weekend.  What is the consequences of being under the influence and getting
> behind the wheel of a self driving car?  If the car is doing the driving
> and the person in the drivers seat is impaired but not driving, can a
> person be held responsible for DUI?  They are not technically driving.  And
> considering this is just the beginning of the trend toward self driving
> cars, at what point do states start putting laws on the books regarding
> this?  I'm sure the states are already scrambling to figure out how to
> replace lost revenue from fines.  I'm certainly not promoting that someone
> should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that will be
> sent all the way to the top at some point.
>
> Craig
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>
> Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.
> Analysis of their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for
> self driving cars?
>
>
>
> "We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater
> sense of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased
> DHEA — something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy
> or agency in humans," Lambert said in a statement.
>
>
>
> tl;dr – driving is fun
>
>
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog
>
>
>
> No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in
> the car.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
> German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their
> design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>
> Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
>
> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
>
>
>
> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
> curve is looking steep.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Ryan Hill *
>
>Operations Manager
>
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
>
>
>
> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
> control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
>
>
>
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.
> At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
> operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the
> center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.
>
>
>
> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Craig House]

I would agree. Especially since I am a control freak anyway. Being in a self 
driving car let alone being in the drivers seat is too stressful for me. My 
family had a discussion about DUI and self driving cars last weekend. What is 
the consequences of being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a 
self driving car? If the car is doing the driving and the person in the drivers 
seat is impaired but not driving, can a person be held responsible for DUI? 
They are not technically driving. And considering this is just the beginning of 
the trend toward self driving cars, at what point do states start putting laws 
on the books regarding this? I'm sure the states are already scrambling to 
figure out how to replace lost revenue from fines. I'm certainly not promoting 
that someone should do this but we all know it is going to be a court case that 
will be sent all the way to the top at some point. 

Craig 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 



Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops. Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress. Implications for self driving cars? 



"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement. 



tl;dr – driving is fun 



[ 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
 | 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031
 ] 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog 




No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 





On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White < [ mailto:dwh...@atheral.com | 
dwh...@atheral.com ] > wrote: 





German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars. 






Daniel White 
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations 


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 


Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56: 


BQ_BEGIN


Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android 





We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep. 

















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(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 


[ http://www.amplex.net/ | www.amplex.net ] 

















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[ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] > wrote: 





Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West. I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping. Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control. Also 
am apt to take my hands off the wheel. 





I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control. At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it. The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive. Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console. Very 
difficult to program in a destination address. 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Ken Hohhof]

Researchers taught lab rats to drive tiny cars to get Froot Loops.  Analysis of 
their poop showed driving reduced stress.  Implications for self driving cars?

 

"We concluded that the rats that actually learned to drive had a greater sense 
of control over their environment that was accompanied by increased DHEA — 
something like a rodent version of what we refer to as self-efficacy or agency 
in humans," Lambert said in a statement.

 

tl;dr – driving is fun

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/watch-these-lab-rats-drive-tiny-cars-get-froot-loops-ncna1072031

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

 

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in the 
car. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote:

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their design 
quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.

 


  
<https://atheral.co/wp-content/uploads/Atheral-Logo-Vertical-Grad-150px-x-86px.png>
 


Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:



Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

 

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.

 

 



 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

   <http://www.amplex.net> www.amplex.net

 

 

 

 





On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

 

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.  

 

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.  

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[Lewis Bergman]

No cup holders. Evidently they are pro drinking, but not pro drinking in
the car.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:54 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their
> design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
> Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:
>
> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
>
> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
> curve is looking steep.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Rya**n H**ill *
>Operations Manager
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
>
> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
> control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
>
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.
> At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
> operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the
> center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.
>
> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Daniel White]

German cars in general are very different but once you get used to their 
design quirks you miss them in American made/Japanese made cars.


photograph  
Daniel White
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phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

Ryan Hill wrote on 10/25/19 06:56:

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning 
curve is looking steep.






/     Rya//n H//ill /
   Operations Manager
*Amplex I**nternet*
(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
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On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, > mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:


Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West. 
I am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control 
and lane keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the 
cruise control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise 
control.  At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The 
sat-nav operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad 
thing in the center console.  Very difficult to program in a 
destination address.

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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[Darin Steffl]

Guys,

To buy anything new other than a Tesla today would be a huge regret.

I've had my Model 3 since September 2018 and it's the best thing I've
driven. Fastest, quietest, most fun car and top notch infotainment on the
giant screen. I've been in Honda, Toyota, chevy, Dodge, Ferrari,
Lamborghini, Maserati, audi, Lexus, Mercedes, Lincoln, Cadillac, etc. And
nothing comes close to the fun and performance of a Tesla.

I encourage everyone to go test drive any of the 3 Tesla models available
today before purchasing any other vehicles. I'll never buy a gas vehicle
again after this car. The Tesla truck will replace our Silverado in a few
years when it starts being produced.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 8:22 AM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> I rented a Model X on my vacation last week.  I will forever be let down
> getting into any other car…..It is an absolutely amazing car. I
> hope I like the Tesla Truck, it will be mine in 2-3 years when it comes
> out.  😊
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ryan Hill
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 7:57 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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> Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android
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> We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning
> curve is looking steep.
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> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
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> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I
> am totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise
> control.  Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.
>
>
>
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.
> At least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav
> operation was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the
> center console.  Very difficult to program in a destination address.
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> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Craig Schmaderer]

I rented a Model X on my vacation last week.  I will forever be let down 
getting into any other car…..It is an absolutely amazing car. I hope I 
like the Tesla Truck, it will be mine in 2-3 years when it comes out.  😊

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Hill
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 7:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.






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On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Ryan Hill]

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.





  
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   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net 






> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
> totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
> keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
> Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel. 
>  
> I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
> least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation 
> was totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  
> Very difficult to program in a destination address. 
>  
> Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again. 
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[AFMUG] OT travelog

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Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.  

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.  

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