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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-08 Thread fiberrun

The way I see it, a one time cost of $50 per subscriber isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.

 

Having one IPv4 per subscriber means no middle boxes and things just work. There's value in that.

 

I'll happily offer IPv6 to customers if (i) they are willing to pay for it or (ii) the world changes and IPv6 starts working out of the box on consumer appliances.

 

From a purely business perspective IPv4 is better than IPv6: customers will pay for IPv4 (statics, additional IPs, etc.), nobody wants to pay for IPv6


 

 

- Jared

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 at 9:25 PM
From: "Trey Scarborough" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender


I don't see that happening any time soon they will be the last to shut off the IPV4 drain just like they were one of the first to turn on the IPV6. I think you will see a push once IT companies finally hit the learning curve for IPV6 and newer security measures start using the added features. It can already be advantageous for gaming and other protocols that perform better with out NAT.

On 3/6/2023 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:




But until major content providers become only IPV6, not seeing a reason to implement. 

 

 



 


From: dmmoff...@gmail.com

Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 12:00 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Cc: 'Chuck McCown'

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender



 




IPv6 adoption is accelerating.  All the major content providers and transit providers are dual stack.

The weak link seems to be consumer routers.  I had to buy 3 that all said “IPv6” on the box to get one that actually did dual stack correctly out of the box. 


	The first one did IPv6 on the WAN interface, but didn’t distribute a V6 address to the LAN….so what good is that exactly?  No idea.
	The second one only supported the 6RD “Rapid Deployment” model of IPv6.  If you were going to pick just one mode to implement in a router why would you pick that one over dual stack?


The third one worked fine.  So 1 for 3.  And I was specifically looking for ones that said IPv6 on the package.

 

So many routers come with IPv6 disabled, broken, or only with a weird partial implementation.  If the SOHO router vendors get with the program then CGNAT will become a secondary function. Until then, yes, keep gloating Sir.

 

 

 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 1:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender



 




So nice to have an IP per customer and not have to use NAT...





(gloat)



 




From: Carl Peterson 



Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 11:29 AM



To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender





 





We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route if it does IPoE BNG.  



 




On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:




Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off of). 


 



Mark




 




 



On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:



 





We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far 

 

 

 

 


	
		
			
			
			
			
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com>
Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender


I bet you are right.

 

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess from what I’ve heard around shop.

 

 

 



From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender



 

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.  

 

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper MX.

I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as Juniper, but I don’t know.

 

 

 

 



From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-08 Thread Trey Scarborough


No I was using airfiber, and SAEI.


I would be cautious of planning on having availability of Tibit moving 
forward. It's likely Ciena will lock it to using there hardware in the 
future.


On 3/6/2023 2:37 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Thanks Trey!  Were you also testing Siklu -> Tibit?

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 2:35 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

Carl I am pretty sure that is the same cable I used to test a Tbit
to radio connection and I didn't have any issues. Also I know they
work in the  CRS305-1G-4S+IN.

On 3/3/2023 9:49 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just
need to extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The
alternative is to add another little switch but that adds
complexity to what is a simple design.  PON hanging off a Siklu
for a small apartment building.  Only thing active is the Siklu
and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power the
silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering it, where is it
mounted, etc.

On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used
the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?  Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who
could find out the SFP+ port's power budget?

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:

I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.

The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put
your electronics into immersed liquid cooling without
exposing your optics to the liquid. Pretty esoteric stuff.

Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason
you can’t extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and
mating sleeve, then how about use a DAC to reach another switch?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach
Underwood
*Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable
would not address? I have never heard of such a device.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage
a foot or two but need 3.5W peak and 2.7W
continuous power.  The existing device supports the power
but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated
at 2.5W.  Can you passively just extend the cage pins or
is this something that requires electronics?  Anyone know
of a higher power SFP extension cable?


https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Sterling Jacobson

We have enough IPv4 for static to everyone, but went CGNAT and IPv6 dual stack 
a few years ago regardless.

I’m still surprised that we get almost no tickets involved with the actual 
CGNAT situation itself.

We do get some that want to pay for “static” DHCP assigned public IPv4 so they 
can remote in or host gaming etc.

But it’s been months, if not over a year, that we’ve had to “expire” a CGNAT 
public IP because of some sort of abuse or problem.
That really does amaze me. At some point something shifted and people are no 
longer doing whatever it is they used to do that got IPv4 blacklisted.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 1:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

It does.  Also does IPv4 CG-NAT very well.   We made it pretty far without 
having to resort to CG-NAT but the time came about a year ago :-)

Mark



On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:29 PM, Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route 
if it does IPoE BNG.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off of).

Mark



On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far






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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.com>>
Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
I bet you are right.

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess from 
what I’ve heard around shop.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and 
I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was 
cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper 
MX.
I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch them 
again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than 
Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing 
CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as 
Juniper, but I don’t know.




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.
I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless we 
adopt it.

We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
years since it works so well and costs so little.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

How is Cisco for CG-NAT?
I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required licensing 
and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a different 
direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Hi Gino!

I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.

We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use Calix 
by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms of 
everything.

There doesn’t seem to be a mid-road XGSPON, maybe UI? I don’t know.

TIBIT is like the least expensive but the hardest to get spun up.
We had the resources to figure TIBIT out (eventually) and run with it before we 
finished a deal with the parent com

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Carl Peterson

Thanks Trey!  Were you also testing Siklu -> Tibit?

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 2:35 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> Carl I am pretty sure that is the same cable I used to test a Tbit to
> radio connection and I didn't have any issues. Also I know they work in
> the  CRS305-1G-4S+IN.
> On 3/3/2023 9:49 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to
> extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add
> another little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.
> PON hanging off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active
> is the Siklu and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power
> the silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering it, where is it
> mounted, etc.
>
> On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?
> Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power
> budget?
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:
>
>> I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.
>>
>> The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your
>> electronics into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to
>> the liquid.  Pretty esoteric stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t
>> extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about
>> use a DAC to reach another switch?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>>
>>
>>
>> I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not
>> address? I have never heard of such a device.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two
>> but need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports
>> the power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at
>> 2.5W.  Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something
>> that requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension
>> cable?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh

It does.  Also does IPv4 CG-NAT very well.   We made it pretty far without 
having to resort to CG-NAT but the time came about a year ago :-)

Mark


> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:29 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic 
> route if it does IPoE BNG.  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
>> Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off 
>> of).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini >> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  <https://aeronetpr.com/>  
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> Founder / President
>>> @GVillarini
>>> 787.273.4143 | 
>>>  
>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> 
>>>  
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>  
>>>  
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>>>  
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> 
>>>  
>>> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr>   
>>>  
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR>   
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>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on 
>>> behalf of Sterling Jacobson >> <mailto:sterl...@avative.com>>
>>> Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>>> 
>>> I bet you are right.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess 
>>> from what I’ve heard around shop.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sounds like we’re on a similar journey. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
>>> expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses 
>>> (and I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. 
>>> It was cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such 
>>> for Juniper MX.
>>> 
>>> I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch 
>>> them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more 
>>> than Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than 
>>> implementing CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the 
>>> same ballpark as Juniper, but I don’t know.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless 
>>> we adopt it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
>>> years since it works so well and costs so little.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwa

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Trey Scarborough

Carl I am pretty sure that is the same cable I used to test a Tbit to 
radio connection and I didn't have any issues. Also I know they work in 
the  CRS305-1G-4S+IN.


On 3/3/2023 9:49 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need 
to extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to 
add another little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple 
design.  PON hanging off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only 
thing active is the Siklu and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery 
backup to power the silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering 
it, where is it mounted, etc.


On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?  
Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ 
port's power budget?


On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:

I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.

The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your
electronics into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your
optics to the liquid.  Pretty esoteric stuff.

Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you
can’t extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve,
then how about use a DAC to reach another switch?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
*Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not
address? I have never heard of such a device.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a
foot or two but need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The
existing device supports the power but the only SFP+ cage
extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.  Can you passively
just extend the cage pins or is this something that requires
electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?


https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

But until major content providers become only IPV6, not seeing a reason to 
implement.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 12:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

IPv6 adoption is accelerating.  All the major content providers and transit 
providers are dual stack.

The weak link seems to be consumer routers.  I had to buy 3 that all said 
“IPv6” on the box to get one that actually did dual stack correctly out of the 
box.  

  a.. The first one did IPv6 on the WAN interface, but didn’t distribute a V6 
address to the LAN….so what good is that exactly?  No idea. 
  b.. The second one only supported the 6RD “Rapid Deployment” model of IPv6.  
If you were going to pick just one mode to implement in a router why would you 
pick that one over dual stack?
The third one worked fine.  So 1 for 3.  And I was specifically looking for 
ones that said IPv6 on the package.

So many routers come with IPv6 disabled, broken, or only with a weird partial 
implementation.  If the SOHO router vendors get with the program then CGNAT 
will become a secondary function. Until then, yes, keep gloating Sir.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 1:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

So nice to have an IP per customer and not have to use NAT...

(gloat)

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 11:29 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route 
if it does IPoE BNG.  

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off 
of). 

  Mark

On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far 

 Gino Villarini
  Founder / President
  @GVillarini
  787.273.4143 | 

  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 

Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I bet you are right.

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess 
from what I’ve heard around shop.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.  

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and 
I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was 
cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper 
MX.

I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch 
them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than 
Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing 
CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as 
Juniper, but I don’t know.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.

I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless 
we adopt it.

We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
years since it works so well and costs so little.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

How is Cisco for CG-NAT?  

I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required 
licensing and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a 
different direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Hi Gino!

I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.

We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use 
Calix by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms of 
everything.

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread dmmoffett

IPv6 adoption is accelerating.  All the major content providers and transit 
providers are dual stack.

The weak link seems to be consumer routers.  I had to buy 3 that all said 
“IPv6” on the box to get one that actually did dual stack correctly out of the 
box.  

*   The first one did IPv6 on the WAN interface, but didn’t distribute a V6 
address to the LAN….so what good is that exactly?  No idea.
*   The second one only supported the 6RD “Rapid Deployment” model of IPv6. 
 If you were going to pick just one mode to implement in a router why would you 
pick that one over dual stack?

The third one worked fine.  So 1 for 3.  And I was specifically looking for 
ones that said IPv6 on the package.

 

So many routers come with IPv6 disabled, broken, or only with a weird partial 
implementation.  If the SOHO router vendors get with the program then CGNAT 
will become a secondary function. Until then, yes, keep gloating Sir.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 1:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

So nice to have an IP per customer and not have to use NAT...

(gloat)

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 11:29 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route 
if it does IPoE BNG.  

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off 
of). 

 

Mark

 





On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far 

 

 

 

 


 <https://aeronetpr.com/> 

Gino Villarini
Founder / President
@GVillarini
787.273.4143 | 


 <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> 


 <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr> 


 <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/> 


 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> 


 <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr> 


 <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR> 


 <https://wa.me/17872734144> 



Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968


 <https://aeronetpr.com/> 


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.com> >
Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I bet you are right.

 

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess from 
what I’ve heard around shop.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.  

 

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and 
I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was 
cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper 
MX.

I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch them 
again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than 
Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing 
CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as 
Juniper, but I don’t know.

 

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.

I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless we 
adopt it.

 

We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
years since it works so well and costs so little.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

How is Cisco for CG-NAT?  

I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required licensing 
and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a different 
direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

So nice to have an IP per customer and not have to use NAT...
(gloat)

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route 
if it does IPoE BNG.  

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off 
of). 

  Mark

On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far 

   Gino Villarini
  Founder / President
  @GVillarini
  787.273.4143 |  

  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 

Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I bet you are right.

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess 
from what I’ve heard around shop.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.  

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and 
I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was 
cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper 
MX.

I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch 
them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than 
Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing 
CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as 
Juniper, but I don’t know.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.

I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless 
we adopt it.

We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
years since it works so well and costs so little.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

How is Cisco for CG-NAT?  

I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required 
licensing and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a 
different direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

Hi Gino!

I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.

We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use 
Calix by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms of 
everything.

There doesn’t seem to be a mid-road XGSPON, maybe UI? I don’t know.

TIBIT is like the least expensive but the hardest to get spun up.

We had the resources to figure TIBIT out (eventually) and run with it 
before we finished a deal with the parent company.

Calix is just on a whole other level, especially when we buy in to all the 
cool aid they are selling (parent company uses a lot/most of their feature set).

So that is our new directive and big push.

Along with that incidentally is the push to migrate from TPLink Deco 
managed router platform to Calix (again, the Gigaspire hardware and cool aid 
platform including marketing insights).

So we have a short term project to migrate off of all of our TIBIT, mostly 
because it’s not manageable or able to be monitored from external systems.

Calix integrates directly with Sonar v2 which is nice as well.

So at some point we’ll have migrated our entire access network and managed 
routers to Calix.

Still running Mikroitk core and edge routers, and customer facing CGNAT 
until we are absolutely so flush with cash that we just purchase the Cisco 
platform to do the central heavy lifting and just transport the whole load of 
Calix based E7 stuff back “home” to Cisco like our parent company does.

More than you asked, but we are essentially converting wholesale from an 
Active Ethernet network to XGSPON/Calix and hope to eventually retire most of 
our power hungry switches, and even most of the Mikrotik.

Just a part of growing up I guess lol

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Carl Peterson

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the
Netelastic route if it does IPoE BNG.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating
> off of).
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  <https://aeronetpr.com/> 
> *Gino
> Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
> 
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>
> 
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/>
> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
> 
> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr>
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR> <https://wa.me/17872734143>
> 
> <https://wa.me/17872734144>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> <https://homefi.pr/> <https://aeronetpr.com/> <https://aeronetpr.com/>
> 
> <https://aeronetpr.com/>
> <https://homefi.pr/>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.com>
> *Date: *Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
> I bet you are right.
>
>
>
> Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess
> from what I’ve heard around shop.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.
>
>
>
> Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so
> expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses
> (and I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT.
> It was cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such
> for Juniper MX.
>
> I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch
> them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more
> than Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than
> implementing CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the
> same ballpark as Juniper, but I don’t know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.
>
> I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless
> we adopt it.
>
>
>
> We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a
> few years since it works so well and costs so little.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> How is Cisco for CG-NAT?
>
> I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required
> licensing and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a
> different direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> Hi Gino!
>
>
>
> I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.
>
>
>
> We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use
> Calix by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms
> of everything.
>
>
>
> There doesn’t seem to be a mid-road XGSPON, maybe UI? I don’t know.
>
>
>
> TIBIT is like the least expensive but the hardest to get spun up.
>
> We had the resources to figure TIBIT out (eventually) and run with it
> before we finished a deal with the parent company.
>
>
>
> Calix is just on a whole other level, especially when we buy in to all the
> cool aid they are selling (parent company uses a lot/most of their feature
> set).
>
>
>
> So that is our new directive and big push.
>
>
>
> Along with that incidentally is the push to migrate from TPLink Deco
> managed router platform to Calix (again, the Gigaspire hardware and cool
> aid platform including marketing insights).
>
>
>
> So we have a short term project to migrate off o

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off of).

Mark


> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  <https://aeronetpr.com/>
> Gino Villarini
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 | 
>  
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>   
>  
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>  
>  
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/>
>  
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> 
>  
> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr>   
>  
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR>   
> <https://wa.me/17872734143>
>  <https://wa.me/17872734144>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>  <https://homefi.pr/> <https://aeronetpr.com/> 
> <https://aeronetpr.com/>
>  <https://aeronetpr.com/>
>  <https://homefi.pr/>
> From: AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 
> 
> Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
> 
> I bet you are right.
>  
> Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess 
> from what I’ve heard around shop.
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>  
> Sounds like we’re on a similar journey. 
>  
> Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
> expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses 
> (and I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It 
> was cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for 
> Juniper MX.
> I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch 
> them again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more 
> than Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than 
> implementing CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the 
> same ballpark as Juniper, but I don’t know.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>  
> I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.
> I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless we 
> adopt it.
>  
> We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
> years since it works so well and costs so little.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>  
> How is Cisco for CG-NAT? 
> I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required licensing 
> and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a different 
> direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>  
> Hi Gino!
>  
> I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.
>  
> We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use 
> Calix by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms of 
> everything.
>  
> There doesn’t seem to be a mid-road XGSPON, maybe UI? I don’t know.
>  
> TIBIT is like the least expensive but the hardest to get spun up.
> We had the resources to figure TIBIT out (eventually) and run with it before 
> we finished a deal with the parent company.
>  
> Calix is just on a whole other level, especially when we buy in to all the 
> cool aid they are selling (parent company uses a lot/most of their feature 
> set).
>  
> So that is our new directive and big push.
>  
> Along with that incidentally is the push to migrate from TPLink Deco managed 
> router platform to Calix (again, the Gigaspire hardware and cool aid platform 
> including marketing insights).
>  
> So we have a short term project to migrate off of all of our TIBIT, mostly 
> because it’s not manageable or able to be monitored from external systems.
> Cal

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread Carl Peterson

Sterling,

I am interested.  Are they TiBit XGS?  What are you using for ONTs?

We still use Calix for all of our GPON plant but it doesn't make any sense
for a small MDU that is fed wirelessly, especially when migrating to XGS
down the road.

Siklu --> TiBit OLT-->Small PON
Or
Siklu-->CRS305-->TiBit OLT-->Small PON

The RG (U4 or U6) would still be Calix and managed in Calix Cloud.

I'd be interested in why you decided to migrate TiBit -> Calix.  Grass is
always greener.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 11:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> We are using TIBIT, but native. Migrating off of them to Calix, so if
> anyone is interested in TIBIT we could give some supplies shortly and even
> an imaged VM controller etc.
>
>
>
> Carl, we use Mikrotik CRS305 here and there, are you asking about powering
> a TIBIT OLT? Or just a 10G media converter?
>
>
>
> The 10G media converters work in them, but Mikrotik states that you should
> “skip” every other port with those because they run HOT.
>
>
>
> Never tried a TIBIT OLT in it, but would probably also work.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, March 3, 2023 10:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> Hey Gino,
>
>
>
> Are you doing this directly through TiBit or through a distributor like
> Fonex?  We had an NDA with TiBit from a long time ago but don't with
> Fonex.  TiBit passed us off to Fonex.  Am interested in what other
> distributors there are and what support numbers look like.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:09 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> We are about to do the same (Siklu+Tibit) , maybe a 10GbaseT to SFP+ Media
> Converter will do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://aeronetpr.com/>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> <https://wa.me/17872734144>
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> [image: AeroNet-Next-lvl-internet.jpg] <https://aeronetpr.com/>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:51 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
> I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to
> extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add
> another little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.
> PON hanging off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active
> is the Siklu and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power
> the silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering it, where is it
> mounted, etc.
>
>
>
> On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?
> Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power
> budget?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:
>
> I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.
>
> The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your
> electronics into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to
> the liquid.  Pretty esoteric stuff.
>
>
>
> Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t
> extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about
> use a DAC to reach another switch?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not
> address? I have never heard of such a device.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
> need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
> power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
> Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
> requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protec

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread Carl Peterson

Hey Gino,

Are you doing this directly through TiBit or through a distributor like
Fonex?  We had an NDA with TiBit from a long time ago but don't with
Fonex.  TiBit passed us off to Fonex.  Am interested in what other
distributors there are and what support numbers look like.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:09 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> We are about to do the same (Siklu+Tibit) , maybe a 10GbaseT to SFP+ Media
> Converter will do?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://aeronetpr.com> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR>
> <https://wa.me/17872734143> <https://wa.me/17872734144>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> <https://homefi.pr> <https://aeronetpr.com> <https://aeronetpr.com>[image:
> AeroNet-Next-lvl-internet.jpg] <https://aeronetpr.com>
> <https://homefi.pr>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:51 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
> I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to
> extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add
> another little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.
> PON hanging off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active
> is the Siklu and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power
> the silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering it, where is it
> mounted, etc.
>
>
>
> On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?
> Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power
> budget?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:
>
> I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.
>
> The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your
> electronics into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to
> the liquid.  Pretty esoteric stuff.
>
>
>
> Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t
> extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about
> use a DAC to reach another switch?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not
> address? I have never heard of such a device.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
> need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
> power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
> Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
> requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-us.mimecast.com%2Fs%2FVz1BCXD0zzhJmKrI6ua8p%3Fdomain%3Dsfpcables.com&data=05%7C01%7Cgav%40aeronetpr.com%7C3262e749a8bf4a73d08408db1bff1a80%7C786321c8ea74460e81c62d3479dd1728%7C0%7C0%7C638134554698980949%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FRZfzacLbBbvAMOY7uwtbKr%2BLQIBwSnL1w5y5FqzdE4%3D&reserved=0>
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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread dmmoffett

You know, I’m fuzzy on why the cage extender has a 2.5W limit.  There are no 
components visible on the PCB.  

3.5W at 3.3V should be 1.2 amp.  The traces should carry several amps.  The 
10cm cable isn’t going to have an issue with 3.5W

 

Who said it had a 2.5W limit?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 9:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but need 
3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the power 
but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.  Can you 
passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that requires 
electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?  

 

https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread dmmoffett

I’ve got several CRS305-1G-4S+ in service.  Never had a problem with any of 
them.  It will definitely run off of the Cyber Power 48v UPS.  

 

 



 

I have no idea on the max wattage for an SFP+.  We could infer 2W per SFP+ 
based on this spec, but can’t say for sure whether a single port could exceed 
that.  I’d test it for you, but I don’t think I have any transceivers that use 
that much juice.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to 
extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add another 
little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.  PON hanging 
off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active is the Siklu and 
the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power the silku.  If you add 
a switch, how are you powering it, where is it mounted, etc.  

 

On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?  Anyone 
have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power budget?  

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.  

The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your electronics 
into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to the liquid.  
Pretty esoteric stuff.

 

Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t extend 
the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about use a DAC 
to reach another switch?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not address? I 
have never heard of such a device.

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but need 
3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the power 
but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.  Can you 
passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that requires 
electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?  

 

https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread Carl Peterson

I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to
extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add
another little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.
PON hanging off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active
is the Siklu and the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power
the silku.  If you add a switch, how are you powering it, where is it
mounted, etc.

On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?
Anyone have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power
budget?

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM  wrote:

> I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.
>
> The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your
> electronics into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to
> the liquid.  Pretty esoteric stuff.
>
>
>
> Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t
> extend the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about
> use a DAC to reach another switch?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender
>
>
>
> I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not
> address? I have never heard of such a device.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
> need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
> power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
> Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
> requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread dmmoffett

I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.  

The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your electronics 
into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to the liquid.  
Pretty esoteric stuff.

 

Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t extend 
the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about use a DAC 
to reach another switch?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not address? I 
have never heard of such a device.

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but need 
3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the power 
but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.  Can you 
passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that requires 
electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?  

 

https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread Zach Underwood

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not address?
I have never heard of such a device.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
> need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
> power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
> Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
> requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?
>
>
> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
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>
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[AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

2023-03-03 Thread Carl Peterson

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?

https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454


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