Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
Sweet, thanks. I recently bought 12x50 Vortex pair of binoculars that where what I considered expensive, but I'll never not buy good binoculars again. The image quality is amazing. But for the next pair I'll check out something like this. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:28 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have the 12x36 IS III and I think that is probably the sweet spot in the > lineup. At 8x you don’t really need IS. I think they make a 15x but > that’s overkill for our purposes (maybe for a birdwatcher) and the price > gets crazy. If you get one, make sure it takes AA batteries and not some > weird camera battery you won’t have around when the batteries need > changing. They still work as regular binoculars when the batteries are > dead, but the IS feature stops working. > > > > The downside is they are expensive, that model is around $700. Expensive > enough that you will be paranoid about losing them and probably won’t loan > them to anybody or equip employees with them. You also might want a better > case than what they come with, which doesn’t provide much protection. > > > > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1149461-REG/canon_9526b002_12x36_is_iii_binoculars.html > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 8:19 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > "Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that > was a thing. That sounds amazing. My issue is looking up at tower top > stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles. I may have > to get a pair. > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s. > > > > Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image > stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld. > > > > It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras > available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably > the weak point of this particular camera. It has a 12 MP sensor but I > resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy. I don’t have > money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or > mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better > sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom. > > > > The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone. I had to go > back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos. Also my Canon > image stabilization binoculars. Did I mention I love image stabilization? > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created. The catch is you > have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is > likely already in your pocket. > > > > On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > > See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, > that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these ancient > 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify > beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help > of any computer aided 'software' > > I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It > can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground. > > On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that > well? > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas > with no radios? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe > 4'x6' antenna > > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > > I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used > large panels like that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fibe
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
I have the 12x36 IS III and I think that is probably the sweet spot in the lineup. At 8x you don’t really need IS. I think they make a 15x but that’s overkill for our purposes (maybe for a birdwatcher) and the price gets crazy. If you get one, make sure it takes AA batteries and not some weird camera battery you won’t have around when the batteries need changing. They still work as regular binoculars when the batteries are dead, but the IS feature stops working. The downside is they are expensive, that model is around $700. Expensive enough that you will be paranoid about losing them and probably won’t loan them to anybody or equip employees with them. You also might want a better case than what they come with, which doesn’t provide much protection. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1149461-REG/canon_9526b002_12x36_is_iii_binoculars.html From: AF On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 8:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas "Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that was a thing. That sounds amazing. My issue is looking up at tower top stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles. I may have to get a pair. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s. Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld. It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably the weak point of this particular camera. It has a 12 MP sensor but I resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy. I don’t have money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom. The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone. I had to go back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos. Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars. Did I mention I love image stabilization? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created. The catch is you have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is likely already in your pocket. On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote: See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help of any computer aided 'software' I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground. On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote: What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that well? On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas with no radios? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe 4'x6' antenna On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used large panels like that. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding? I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas You're right in tha
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"Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that was a thing. That sounds amazing. My issue is looking up at tower top stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles. I may have to get a pair. On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s. > > > > Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image > stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld. > > > > It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras > available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably > the weak point of this particular camera. It has a 12 MP sensor but I > resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy. I don’t have > money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or > mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better > sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom. > > > > The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone. I had to go > back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos. Also my Canon > image stabilization binoculars. Did I mention I love image stabilization? > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created. The catch is you > have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is > likely already in your pocket. > > > > On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > > See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, > that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these ancient > 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify > beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help > of any computer aided 'software' > > I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It > can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground. > > On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that > well? > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas > with no radios? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe > 4'x6' antenna > > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > > I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used > large panels like that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. > > > > So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project > fiber built with BTOP funding? > > > > I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know > cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big > before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant > network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to > Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. > > > > Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on > the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that > never happened. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-int
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I didn't look closely. Not sure what Sprint would be doing with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:03:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Oh, I paid no attention to that tilted panel assuming it was a solar panel, from the label it is apparently a VSAT antenna? From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0kereynebobtdfo/AAANRje4JrN9tEoHDhWVwvZJa?dl=0 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Oh, I paid no attention to that tilted panel assuming it was a solar panel, from the label it is apparently a VSAT antenna? From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0kereynebobtdfo/AAANRje4JrN9tEoHDhWVwvZJa?dl=0 - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0kereynebobtdfo/AAANRje4JrN9tEoHDhWVwvZJa?dl=0 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Whoa... [cid:image002.jpg@01D5F2F2.EBAEDA50] -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:44 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Well, that's interesting. Website says they use 2.4 GHz unlicensed band, beamforming, no interference with terrestrial WiFi in same band, and one beam per plane. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas https://www.smartskynetworks.com/ That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my points two directions. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I've never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Well, that's interesting. Website says they use 2.4 GHz unlicensed band, beamforming, no interference with terrestrial WiFi in same band, and one beam per plane. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas https://www.smartskynetworks.com/ That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my points two directions. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I've never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I did some looking. It looks like they're beamforming LTE in 2.4 to airplanes. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:25:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas https://www.smartskynetworks.com/ That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my points two directions. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I've never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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https://www.smartskynetworks.com/ That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my points two directions. -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I've never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I found this review of superzoom cameras available in 2020. One of them does have a 1 inch sensor but less zoom. It seems that Canon and Panasonic are still the leading brands in the category, and that the comparisons still hold – Canon has longer zoom, Panasonic has a constant aperture lens. https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-superzoom-camera/ From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:40 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s. Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld. It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably the weak point of this particular camera. It has a 12 MP sensor but I resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy. I don’t have money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom. The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone. I had to go back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos. Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars. Did I mention I love image stabilization? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created. The catch is you have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is likely already in your pocket. On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote: See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help of any computer aided 'software' I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground. On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote: What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that well? On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas with no radios? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe 4'x6' antenna On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used large panels like that. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding? I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/m
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created. The catch is you
have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is
likely already in your pocket.
On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or
not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these
ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend
and modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all
without the help of any computer aided 'software'
I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom,
It can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the
ground.
On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label
that well?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just
antennas with no radios?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up,
maybe 4'x6' antenna
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago
that used large panels like that.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the
giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a
mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream
said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.
So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off
the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding?
I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3
are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I
haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that
LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the
only significant network that's anywhere near there.
Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but
they're not selling to others.
Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA.
Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is
PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *"Ken Hohhof"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower.
Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower
couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.
I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to
University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I
seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or
CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and
checking towers that were on their network. I remember
there was one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing
the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW
is a weird tower.
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
It doesn't look like that install is done yet. You can see most or all of the ports are still capped. It's grounded already but I don't see any radio or RF gear connected to them yet. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 11:01 PM Nate Burke wrote: > See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, > that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these ancient > 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify > beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help > of any computer aided 'software' > > I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It > can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground. > > On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that > well? > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas >> with no radios? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas >> >> >> >> second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe >> 4'x6' antenna >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used >> large panels like that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> >> >> Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being >> installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I >> thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. >> >> >> >> So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA >> project fiber built with BTOP funding? >> >> >> >> I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know >> cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big >> before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas >> >> >> >> You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant >> network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to >> Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. >> >> >> >> Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on >> the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that >> never happened. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas >> >> If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the >> tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. >> >> >> >> I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then >> crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier >> like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and >> checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south >> of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at >> Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. >> >> >> >> >> >> *F
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or
not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games. But these
ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and
modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all
without the help of any computer aided 'software'
I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It
can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.
On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label
that well?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just
antennas with no radios?
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up,
maybe 4'x6' antenna
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago
that used large panels like that.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant
panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east
goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW
and they could get me fiber at.
So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off
the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding?
I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3
are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I
haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that
LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the
only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well,
ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not
selling to others.
Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA.
Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is
PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower.
Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower
couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.
I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to
University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I
seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or
CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking
towers that were on their network. I remember there was
one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd.
tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower.
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antenn
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that well? On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these? And why just antennas > with no radios? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe > 4'x6' antenna > > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > > I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used > large panels like that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. > > > > So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project > fiber built with BTOP funding? > > > > I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know > cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big > before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant > network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to > Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. > > > > Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on > the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that > never happened. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the > tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. > > > > I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then > crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier > like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and > checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south > of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at > Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I > don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does > look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two > is likely there. > > > > Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, > likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - > Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in > a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to > my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. > Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA > fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. > > > > Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular > is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? > > > > Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams sa
Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe 4'x6' antenna On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used > large panels like that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. > > > > So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project > fiber built with BTOP funding? > > > > I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know > cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big > before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant > network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to > Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. > > > > Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on > the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that > never happened. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the > tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. > > > > I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then > crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier > like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and > checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south > of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at > Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I > don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does > look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two > is likely there. > > > > Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, > likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - > Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in > a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to > my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. > Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA > fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. > > > > Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular > is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? > > > > Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say > who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that > tower. > > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <
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I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used large panels like that. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. > > So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project > fiber built with BTOP funding? > > I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular > antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep > worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant > network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock > Falls, but they're not selling to others. > > Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the > right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never > happened. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Ken Hohhof" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the tower, > I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. > > I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then > crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier > like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking > towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south of > Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. > Which BTW is a weird tower. > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I don't > have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does look > like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two is > likely there. > > Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, likely > DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - Galesburg > route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in a pipeline > that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to my farm to SW > of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. Windstream and PEG > Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA fiber. That might be > it for anything remotely close to there. > > Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular is > on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? > > Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say who > is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that tower. > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Ken Hohhof" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. > > Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber > there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on > those towers. > > Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? > > From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Ken Hohhof" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel ante
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https://www.smartskynetworks.com/about-us/ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:05 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I think these were larger than that. There was a tower guy standing next > to one of the panels they had just mounted on the tower and it was almost > as big as him. The standoff frames also seemed bigger than normal. > > > > It’s hard to tell antenna size without something else like a tower guy for > comparison. I remember a Peanuts comic where Lucy looks like she is flying > a kite way, way up in the sky but it turns out to just be a tiny kite not > very far away. Charlie Brown doesn’t know this and is jealous. Only > Peanuts comic that made me laugh. And thanks to Google and the Internet, I > can actually find it: > > > > https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1955/03/13 > > > > Hmmm, that’s from 1955. I would have been 5 years old. Families would > fight over the comics pages in the newspaper. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:27 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Yes, that's what PEG did. Windstream has done it too, throughout the > county. PEG did it in a few locations. > > > > As Sprint is on that tower, is it at all likely it's a Sprint Massive MIMO > antenna? > > > > https://youtu.be/08iAYPxcClk?t=54 > > > > > > It seems smaller than you describe. > > > > I hope to get out to that site on Friday to look. I've also asked a friend > of mine who ATS does most of their work for. > > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:10:41 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being > installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I > thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. > > > > So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project > fiber built with BTOP funding? > > > > I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know > cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big > before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant > network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to > Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. > > > > Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on > the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that > never happened. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas >
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I think these were larger than that. There was a tower guy standing next to one of the panels they had just mounted on the tower and it was almost as big as him. The standoff frames also seemed bigger than normal. It’s hard to tell antenna size without something else like a tower guy for comparison. I remember a Peanuts comic where Lucy looks like she is flying a kite way, way up in the sky but it turns out to just be a tiny kite not very far away. Charlie Brown doesn’t know this and is jealous. Only Peanuts comic that made me laugh. And thanks to Google and the Internet, I can actually find it: https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1955/03/13 Hmmm, that’s from 1955. I would have been 5 years old. Families would fight over the comics pages in the newspaper. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Yes, that's what PEG did. Windstream has done it too, throughout the county. PEG did it in a few locations. As Sprint is on that tower, is it at all likely it's a Sprint Massive MIMO antenna? https://youtu.be/08iAYPxcClk?t=54 It seems smaller than you describe. I hope to get out to that site on Friday to look. I've also asked a friend of mine who ATS does most of their work for. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:10:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding? I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird towe
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My friend tells me that ATS does a lot of AT work and that FirstNet uses a lot of large panels. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yes, that's what PEG did. Windstream has done it too, throughout the county. PEG did it in a few locations. As Sprint is on that tower, is it at all likely it's a Sprint Massive MIMO antenna? https://youtu.be/08iAYPxcClk?t=54 It seems smaller than you describe. I hope to get out to that site on Friday to look. I've also asked a friend of mine who ATS does most of their work for. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:10:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding? I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two is likely there. Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that tower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on those towers. Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchan
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Excellent. The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being installed. The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at. So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding? I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are. I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others. Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two is likely there. Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that tower. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyL
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If it looks like they have uptilt its connectivity for air planes. We had some go up near here that looked like that and were low. Theres an outfit here in illinois that puts them up, they do alot of 11ghz backhaul, the company name sounsoundsds like it would give airplanes data, i just dont recall right now On Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 9:23 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the > tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. > > > > I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then > crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier > like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and > checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south > of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at > Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I > don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does > look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two > is likely there. > > > > Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, > likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - > Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in > a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to > my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. > Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA > fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. > > > > Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular > is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? > > > > Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say > who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that > tower. > > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR > tracks. > > > > Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber > there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on > those towers. > > > > Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas > > > > Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM > *Subject: *[A
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If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise. I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then crossed the tracks to Preserve. Also I seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking towers that were on their network. I remember there was one south of Hinckley. I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd. Which BTW is a weird tower. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two is likely there. Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that tower. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on those towers. Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track
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Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I don't have accurate information for AT and Verizon for that area. It does look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two is likely there. Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber, likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon - Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford. Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there. Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on? Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that tower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:21:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on those towers. Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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OK, not quite that gigantic. Plus they were installing them in arrays of 3, just like your typical cellular array, except each element in the array was a lot bigger than I’m used to seeing. If the idea was to do beam steering with multiple elements in the panel, I wouldn’t think there would be 3 of them per side. From: AF On Behalf Of Eric Nielsen Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Passive repeater? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Eric Nielsen 571-508-7409 ericlniel...@gmail.com <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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US30 and Kane Rd. between Waterman and Shabbona. Just across the RR tracks. Two self supporters at the site. I think there’s maybe CenturyLink fiber there? I should be able to figure out from licenses which cellcos are on those towers. Would ATS be Atlantic Tower Services? From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Passive repeater? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was > installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of > drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as > tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of > 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting > them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? > > > > I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me > thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does > anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small > towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not > commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all > the low and mid bands? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Eric Nielsen 571-508-7409 ericlniel...@gmail.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Where? I'll go look at it and snap pictures. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I've never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload? I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
