Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers.
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers. Problem is that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the office when at home. So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a static route
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
I am certainly not in love with intuit, what else can you use that is in the same range of cost and capability? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers. Problem is that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
On 10/16/14, 7:02 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. One concern I have with that model is that it comes off like a protection racket: it would be a shame what would happen to your files if you stop paying. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
But at least with a big company you never have to worry they might have a data breach, right? -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question On 10/16/14, 7:02 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. One concern I have with that model is that it comes off like a protection racket: it would be a shame what would happen to your files if you stop paying. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
snort -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question But at least with a big company you never have to worry they might have a data breach, right? -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question On 10/16/14, 7:02 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. One concern I have with that model is that it comes off like a protection racket: it would be a shame what would happen to your files if you stop paying. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On
[AFMUG] Google trying to open new frequency
Google working with FCC to open new unused frequency for wifi link below.. http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/16/google-wireless-testing-application/ Google's plan for super-fast internet: tap unused airwaves — Sent from Mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
On 10/16/14, 8:02 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. I'll have to ask one of my ad agency customers what they think of it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
One thing I did subscribe to and I do use is Adobe’s PDF conversion service. It is awesome, much better than any other tool I have used for the same purpose. It converts stuff to word and it is essentially perfect. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini
Re: [AFMUG] Ditch Witch 410 SX
18-24 blades are typical for this machine, I have one and we have a 24 blade. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use a case maxi sneaker with a 2ft chute blade to do fiber drops. Very nice machine. On Oct 15, 2014 6:53 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: With a 410 SX what blade is everyone using to do cat-5 and fiber drops?
[AFMUG] SM Isolation question
SaaS makes sense for some applications, but a lot of what I'm seeing it applied to is just a money grab. Some things are just set up and go, I don't need updates or support, so long as the software does what I bought it to do. A great example of this is a point of sale system I'm installing. Nearly every company wanted an upfront fee plus anywhere from $40-$60 / terminal / month. I found software that allows multiple terminals for $1k (no monthly recurring). This will pay for itself in probably 6 months. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers. Problem is that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the office when at home. So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a static route for anything what that mark and send it back to the AP port. It doesn't work, what am I doing wrong, any suggestions short of disabling SM isolation?
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
AutodeskThey still charge thousands of a copy of autoCAD, but you can get it on a month to month basis for $60/month, or pay for a whole year and it's like $35/month. I would never have been able to justify paying them $3k for something I would use 4 times a year, but I can pay them $60 each for the four times I want to use it. Before that I would limit my use to twice a yearone 30 day demo of the current release of autoCAD and one 30 day demo of the current autoCAD LT. I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
I didn’t check the file, it is in the list in the freepbx gui. I guess I better peek at the file. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] Ditch Witch 410 SX
Does the blade have a cable chute? Do you have a link to the blade? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 18-24 blades are typical for this machine, I have one and we have a 24 blade. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use a case maxi sneaker with a 2ft chute blade to do fiber drops. Very nice machine. On Oct 15, 2014 6:53 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: With a 410 SX what blade is everyone using to do cat-5 and fiber drops?
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
I've got to say I'm firmly on the fence with regard to this issue. The last time we paid for MS Office was back in 2000 (seriously). I think we paid $400 or $500 for it, and it was the type of thing that we could load on a couple of PCs for the duration. Yes, it got long in tooth, but it worked, and it did what we wanted. That came to about $16 per PC per year. Pretty good deal, and I don't think we missed out on much. Sure, a couple of years ago, MS made a major change to file formats that the old version couldn't open, but they also provided viewers and converters so we made do. However, most of the office files you see these days are the new format, so we decided to get the new version as a service. We're paying $150 per year for 5 seats (which we only need 4 of). So that will be $37 per PC per year (or $30 per PC per year if we install it on another PC). Call that inflation, but it also gets updates on a more-or-less continuous basis. The biggest downside is that the new office contains a bunch of cruff that we don't need, and probably won't use. Call it progress, or whatever. I've seen a bunch of model-evolutions over the years, and this just seems to be the latest. bp On 10/16/2014 8:21 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: AutodeskThey still charge thousands of a copy of autoCAD, but you can get it on a month to month basis for $60/month, or pay for a whole year and it's like $35/month. I would never have been able to justify paying them $3k for something I would use 4 times a year, but I can pay them $60 each for the four times I want to use it. Before that I would limit my use to twice a yearone 30 day demo of the current release of autoCAD and one 30 day demo of the current autoCAD LT. I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time
Re: [AFMUG] Ditch Witch 410 SX
Most of them have chutes, some are just blades with a trailing eye. Don't get that kind, make sure you get the chute. The DW Dealer near you will know what to order. They are not that expensive, so buying from the dealer is ok. You should be paying $750 in my opinion. http://www.ditchwitch.com/parts-service/digging-systems/plow-blade Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, welded to the back of the blade as I recall. The larger blades has a chute that floats a bit independent from the blade but smaller blades have the chute built in I think. They all have chutes. -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ditch Witch 410 SX Does the blade have a cable chute? Do you have a link to the blade? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 18-24 blades are typical for this machine, I have one and we have a 24 blade. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use a case maxi sneaker with a 2ft chute blade to do fiber drops. Very nice machine. On Oct 15, 2014 6:53 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: With a 410 SX what blade is everyone using to do cat-5 and fiber drops?
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
My main complaint about Office 365 is it’s extremely confusing, as there seems to be a run locally but subscribe to online updates model, as well as a totally cloud based model where everything’s in the cloud including your data. And if a customer calls having trouble with Office 365, they of course don’t have a clue how they are set up. Add the fact that someone buys a new computer like a Surface and the first thing it has you do is set up a Microsoft email address as a login for the computer, and starts backing up your data by default on Skydrive. Or is it Onedrive now? Thing is, average customer without an IT department actually doesn’t understand where on the continuum from “box software” to Saas and “in the cloud” he is. Where is my software? Where is my data? Am I launching software, or a browser window? Can I use it without an Internet connection? What happens if I stop my subscription? I dunno. Who do I call? It says to call my network administrator. That must mean my ISP. OK, dialing my ISP now. From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I've got to say I'm firmly on the fence with regard to this issue. The last time we paid for MS Office was back in 2000 (seriously). I think we paid $400 or $500 for it, and it was the type of thing that we could load on a couple of PCs for the duration. Yes, it got long in tooth, but it worked, and it did what we wanted. That came to about $16 per PC per year. Pretty good deal, and I don't think we missed out on much. Sure, a couple of years ago, MS made a major change to file formats that the old version couldn't open, but they also provided viewers and converters so we made do. However, most of the office files you see these days are the new format, so we decided to get the new version as a service. We're paying $150 per year for 5 seats (which we only need 4 of). So that will be $37 per PC per year (or $30 per PC per year if we install it on another PC). Call that inflation, but it also gets updates on a more-or-less continuous basis. The biggest downside is that the new office contains a bunch of cruff that we don't need, and probably won't use. Call it progress, or whatever. I've seen a bunch of model-evolutions over the years, and this just seems to be the latest. bpOn 10/16/2014 8:21 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: AutodeskThey still charge thousands of a copy of autoCAD, but you can get it on a month to month basis for $60/month, or pay for a whole year and it's like $35/month. I would never have been able to justify paying them $3k for something I would use 4 times a year, but I can pay them $60 each for the four times I want to use it. Before that I would limit my use to twice a yearone 30 day demo of the current release of autoCAD and one 30 day demo of the current autoCAD LT. I don’t dispute that, or that SaaS is the wave of the future (present?), just I find Intuit to be a money-grubbing borderline unethical company to deal with, that nonetheless dominates their market niche. Probably because the accountants all use it. As far as getting the bug fixes immediately because you subscribe as a service, that would mean more if it didn’t take Intuit years to fix bugs. There is actually very little improvement from year to year in Quickbooks, it is mostly cosmetic or related to new services they want to sell you. Which tend to be pretty poor, for example their payroll service is really pathetic, you’re almost better off filling out the tax forms by hand. But as an other example of SaaS, Adobe has gone heavily that direction with their creative suites. If you are a graphic designer or web designer, I’m sure it’s a very good deal. For someone like me with an owned copy of Photoshop, it probably doesn’t make sense to start paying monthly, since I could care less about having the latest improvements, I don’t use it intensively enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe for Dreamweaver since HTML techniques are changing all the time. At least Adobe doesn’t require that you are connected to the Internet in order to use the software. I don’t really have any problem with their approach, even though it doesn’t work out so well for me. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question I haven't seen the same results... every single company I am involved with, and even the 20+ that I have met with over the last three months have all used Quickbooks. Travis On 10/16/2014 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I would not use anything related to Quickbooks as an example of the best way to do something. Your only choices from Intuit are how you get screwed, not whether. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:02 AM
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
Chuck, did you add the extensions that you want to toggle in the dynamic members of the queue? Mike On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
Yep. At least I filled in the box. For example, the phone on my desk is 200 So in the box I have 200,0 We have some static extensions in the box above too and they work as expected. But when I try to toggle it seems like it is ignoring the feature code completely and trying to dial out. No announcement, no nothing. The queue is 700. So dialing *45200700 gives me this in the log: *45200700' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-internal'. That is a dialplan type of problem I would think. I have been reading through the extensions.conf files and not really seeing anything that points me to the problem. From: Mike Delp via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Chuck, did you add the extensions that you want to toggle in the dynamic members of the queue? Mike On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
You should only have to dial *45 to toggle that extension inot the queue, and again to toggle out of the queue. I have 125, and 126 (cordless phones) as dynamic members. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep. At least I filled in the box. For example, the phone on my desk is 200 So in the box I have 200,0 We have some static extensions in the box above too and they work as expected. But when I try to toggle it seems like it is ignoring the feature code completely and trying to dial out. No announcement, no nothing. The queue is 700. So dialing *45200700 gives me this in the log: *45200700' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-internal'. That is a dialplan type of problem I would think. I have been reading through the extensions.conf files and not really seeing anything that points me to the problem. *From:* Mike Delp via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Chuck, did you add the extensions that you want to toggle in the dynamic members of the queue? Mike On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
[AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available?
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
Yep, that is what I think too. Just not getting anywhere with *45 From: Mike Delp via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk You should only have to dial *45 to toggle that extension inot the queue, and again to toggle out of the queue. I have 125, and 126 (cordless phones) as dynamic members. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep. At least I filled in the box. For example, the phone on my desk is 200 So in the box I have 200,0 We have some static extensions in the box above too and they work as expected. But when I try to toggle it seems like it is ignoring the feature code completely and trying to dial out. No announcement, no nothing. The queue is 700. So dialing *45200700 gives me this in the log: *45200700' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-internal'. That is a dialplan type of problem I would think. I have been reading through the extensions.conf files and not really seeing anything that points me to the problem. From: Mike Delp via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Chuck, did you add the extensions that you want to toggle in the dynamic members of the queue? Mike On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
What is the diameter of the pipe? I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a shop vacuum to suck it through. Then use the string to pull the wire. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available?
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps
And that would be the conundrum. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps 28Ghz for cell phones? That doesn't go through walls? Lame. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=43349 Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps
“In the future we don’t need walls! Doc Brown…. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps 28Ghz for cell phones? That doesn’t go through walls? Lame. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:11 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=43349 Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
Chuck, give me a call if you want. I can do a remote session and look into it. It is working for me. 314-735-0270 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep, that is what I think too. Just not getting anywhere with *45 *From:* Mike Delp via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk You should only have to dial *45 to toggle that extension inot the queue, and again to toggle out of the queue. I have 125, and 126 (cordless phones) as dynamic members. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep. At least I filled in the box. For example, the phone on my desk is 200 So in the box I have 200,0 We have some static extensions in the box above too and they work as expected. But when I try to toggle it seems like it is ignoring the feature code completely and trying to dial out. No announcement, no nothing. The queue is 700. So dialing *45200700 gives me this in the log: *45200700' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-internal'. That is a dialplan type of problem I would think. I have been reading through the extensions.conf files and not really seeing anything that points me to the problem. *From:* Mike Delp via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Chuck, did you add the extensions that you want to toggle in the dynamic members of the queue? Mike On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You've probably thought of this already, but I would make sure the web page is not accessible from the internet at large.they've had remote hacks in the past. Then you'll get the bill for the phone calls to Uzbekistan. So far I am loving it. Everything else is working perfectly. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Wish I could help. FreePBX makes me mad every time I use itso I don't use it anymore. Never tried that particular feature either. I joined the FreePBX forum. Hopefully I can get some help there once the hazing of the newbe is over. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk No actually. Features.conf has include files of other features files. Went through all of them and are not finding many of the feature codes in the GUI. They must be hiding somewhere else. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk So there's a *45 defined in features.conf? It is one of the built in feature codes. Others, like announce the current time, work. I cannot imagine why it would ignore a feature code. *From:* Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk I've never used that featurebut I wonder if you have to include a special context that knows how to handle the code, like you do with call parking. It is getting to the asterisk box. It shows up in the logfile. But it looks like it is treating it like a phone number to me. Especially if I add the extension and group number. *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip appliance trying to interpret it locally? On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work. No voice prompt. Extension does not appear in queue. Static agents work just fine. Everything else works just fine. Voice prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc. Just having zero luck with dynamic agents. Any suggestions.
Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
I know a guy (looking at shoes) who may have dumped a quart of motor oil into a conduit once On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the diameter of the pipe? I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a shop vacuum to suck it through. Then use the string to pull the wire. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
Doesn’t the oil eventually eat away at the rubber? Along those lines, stay away from brake fluid….. (ducking). Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I know a guy (looking at shoes) who may have dumped a quart of motor oil into a conduit once On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the diameter of the pipe? I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a shop vacuum to suck it through. Then use the string to pull the wire. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We've been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we're looking to implement - but I'm running into the silliest of issues. I can't even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan pops), then Ethernet to a second computer. I've replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can't even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/
[AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?
[AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
We're going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] More over the top
So will there still be commercials? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #diecabletv Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More over the top CBS http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/business/cbs-to-offer-web-subscription-service.html Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] More over the top
That would seem insulting. bp On 10/16/2014 3:03 PM, Matt via Af wrote: So will there still be commercials? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #diecabletv Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More over the top CBS http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/business/cbs-to-offer-web-subscription-service.html Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to implement – but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer. I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to implement – but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer. I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
From the press release email I was sent a couple of days ago it stated that one of the key features of release 2.4 ( coming in December of 2014 ) would be low latency of 2 ms in PTP mode. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The new ePMP PTP? Are you talking about the ePMP radios that have been shipping for months now? I wasn't in Vegas this week, so maybe I missed something. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?
Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
... I may or maynot have done the exact same thing about 6 months ago. I can imagine it would make quite a mess/stink... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 01:35 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I know a guy (looking at shoes) who may have dumped a quart of motor oil into a conduit once On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the diameter of the pipe? I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a shop vacuum to suck it through. Then use the string to pull the wire. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] More over the top
That will probably take a long time to die, if it *ever* does. They make lots of money off those evil things, which is why you see them on hulu (and others). Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 03:03 PM, Matt via Af wrote: So will there still be commercials? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #diecabletv Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More over the top CBS http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/business/cbs-to-offer-web-subscription-service.html Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question
+1 Travis On 10/16/2014 9:02 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on
Re: [AFMUG] More over the top
One would think that, but Hulu runs commercials and they're doing fine. That said, I'm doing fine not giving Hulu any of my money. I want no part in paying someone just to have them occupy my time with spam. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More over the top That would seem insulting. bp On 10/16/2014 3:03 PM, Matt via Af wrote: So will there still be commercials? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #diecabletv Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More over the top CBS http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/business/cbs-to-offer-web-subscription-service.html Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] More over the top
My thought was that if you're paying to receive the content, they shouldn't insult you by in effect charging you a second time with commercials. I'm sure their thought is, the cable companies are paying to show this content, and the customers are paying through commercials. ergo, we can eliminate the middle man, and charge both to the customers. bp On 10/16/2014 4:10 PM, Chris Wright via Af wrote: One would think that, but Hulu runs commercials and they're doing fine. That said, I'm doing fine not giving Hulu any of my money. I want no part in paying someone just to have them occupy my time with spam. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More over the top That would seem insulting. bp On 10/16/2014 3:03 PM, Matt via Af wrote: So will there still be commercials? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #diecabletv Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More over the top CBS http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/business/cbs-to-offer-web-subscription-service.html Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
So sad, I have two hardened minds and 6 hardened nurons from that bunch. Never deployed. Sent from my Ranch Phone On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are going to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to implement – but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer. I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless
Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
Yea... Don't use oil. It attacks some types of insulation. It also eventually solidifies into something akin to tar and glues the wiring into the conduit. Mark Amplex m...@amplex.net On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ... I may or may not have done the exact same thing about 6 months ago. I can imagine it would make quite a mess/stink... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 01:35 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I know a guy (looking at shoes) who may have dumped a quart of motor oil into a conduit once On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the diameter of the pipe? I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a shop vacuum to suck it through. Then use the string to pull the wire. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit? I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly). It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop has no wire-pulling butter. Would dish soap work or is there something else easily available? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync? http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/10/14/cambium-networks-unveils-epmp-force-110-ptp-at-wispapalooza http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs I dont see mention of GPS sync on the force 110. If not how is it any better then a Ubiquiti? We need frequency reuse even on backhauls.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
It doesn't say anything about sync. I will forward the email to the list. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency I didn't get that email... is that 2ms with GPS sync, or without? It looks to me from the pictures like the force 110 is still using a connectorized radio, so you could easily swap it for a synced radio, if you wanted to use sync for PtP with these antennas. _ From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rex McGuire via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency From the press release email I was sent a couple of days ago it stated that one of the key features of release 2.4 ( coming in December of 2014 ) would be low latency of 2 ms in PTP mode. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The new ePMP PTP? Are you talking about the ePMP radios that have been shipping for months now? I wasn't in Vegas this week, so maybe I missed something. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the supplies I need to keep in stock. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
I know it *can* be done. The method is a bit complicated. Are they willing to do this though? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 05:04 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: Don't toss them! Send them to me or have Accedian flash them back to standard software. They are valuable as metro-E NID's Mark Amplex m...@amplex.net mailto:m...@amplex.net On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We are going to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? -Tim *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to implement – but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer. I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
I believe it is 2ms without. The latency goes up with sync as well as number of subscribers. I believe with sync it is somewhere between 20 and 30ms if my notes are correct. I went to an intro class at a Winncom event and that is what I remember them saying. Gilbert On 10/16/2014 5:48 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: I didn't get that email... is that 2ms with GPS sync, or without? It looks to me from the pictures like the force 110 is still using a connectorized radio, so you could easily swap it for a synced radio, if you wanted to use sync for PtP with these antennas. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rex McGuire via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency From the press release email I was sent a couple of days ago it stated that one of the key features of release 2.4 ( coming in December of 2014 ) would be low latency of 2 ms in PTP mode. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new ePMP PTP? Are you talking about the ePMP radios that have been shipping for months now? I wasn't in Vegas this week, so maybe I missed something. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
Let me clarify that the new ptp110 based on the epmp radios are the same hw as epmp Aps but with the GPS sync disabled, hence the lower price ($220) If you what to go gps sync on your ptp links buy one end as AP Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 9:52 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency I believe it is 2ms without. The latency goes up with sync as well as number of subscribers. I believe with sync it is somewhere between 20 and 30ms if my notes are correct. I went to an intro class at a Winncom event and that is what I remember them saying. Gilbert On 10/16/2014 5:48 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: I didn't get that email... is that 2ms with GPS sync, or without? It looks to me from the pictures like the force 110 is still using a connectorized radio, so you could easily swap it for a synced radio, if you wanted to use sync for PtP with these antennas. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rex McGuire via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency From the press release email I was sent a couple of days ago it stated that one of the key features of release 2.4 ( coming in December of 2014 ) would be low latency of 2 ms in PTP mode. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new ePMP PTP? Are you talking about the ePMP radios that have been shipping for months now? I wasn't in Vegas this week, so maybe I missed something. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Ask for refund Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Organization: SPITwSPOTS Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going ï¿1Ž2to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? ï¿1Ž2 -Tim ï¿1Ž2 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 Weï¿1Ž2ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, weï¿1Ž2re looking to implement ï¿1Ž2 but Iï¿1Ž2m running into the silliest of issues. I canï¿1Ž2t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan ï¿1Ž2popsï¿1Ž2), then Ethernet to a second computer. ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. ï¿1Ž2 This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we canï¿1Ž2t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Anyone know why they discountined? I'm assuming poor sales? They didn't even give themself's a chance at building the market? Crazy, glad I didn't get scammed On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ask for refund Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Organization: SPITwSPOTS Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going ï¿1Ž2to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? ï¿1Ž2 -Tim ï¿1Ž2 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 Weï¿1Ž2ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, weï¿1Ž2re looking to implement ï¿1Ž2 but Iï¿1Ž2m running into the silliest of issues. I canï¿1Ž2t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan ï¿1Ž2popsï¿1Ž2), then Ethernet to a second computer. ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. ï¿1Ž2 This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we canï¿1Ž2t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
9/125 G.652.D or G.657.A1 type, singlemode loose tube single jacket non armored, non-gel cable to an upper junction box Upper junction box containing multiple small splice enclosures same size as this: https://avalanche.tessco.com/productimages/250x250/1273609.jpg Shown with the wrong connectors, it can take a standard oval shaped Corning CCH panel. Usually used with 6 x duplex SC/UPC (12 total strands) or 12 x duplex LC/UPC (24 total strands). On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the supplies I need to keep in stock. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
here's a better photo: http://csmedia.corning.com/opcomm/images/foh/wall-mount%20hardware/sph-12otr-1259h_a_zoom.jpg or with LC for 24 strands: http://csmedia.corning.com/opcomm/images/dsl/sph-240tr-24a9h_a_zoom.jpg On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke eric.kuh...@gmail.com wrote: 9/125 G.652.D or G.657.A1 type, singlemode loose tube single jacket non armored, non-gel cable to an upper junction box Upper junction box containing multiple small splice enclosures same size as this: https://avalanche.tessco.com/productimages/250x250/1273609.jpg Shown with the wrong connectors, it can take a standard oval shaped Corning CCH panel. Usually used with 6 x duplex SC/UPC (12 total strands) or 12 x duplex LC/UPC (24 total strands). On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the supplies I need to keep in stock. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
This is pretty much what I've been thinking from the get go on this stuff. The only advantage it has is being able to tell how much throughput is available on the fly and assigning traffic accordingly. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Which OpenFlow will do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes This is pretty much what I've been thinking from the get go on this stuff. The only advantage it has is being able to tell how much throughput is available on the fly and assigning traffic accordingly. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote We pulled it off our ne twork last week. Bunch of money down the d rain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this , on multiple fronts . It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: blockquote We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless � From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless � /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency
It's the same thing than the Force 100, just mechanically different... IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:18:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync? http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/10/14/cambium-networks-unveils-epmp-force-110-ptp-at-wispapalooza http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs I dont see mention of GPS sync on the force 110. If not how is it any better then a Ubiquiti? We need frequency reuse even on backhauls.
Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP goes to Vegas
We used Balboa (or something like that). It's on YouTube, so you can catch up there. Greg didn't get the QA module fired up right. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:10:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP goes to Vegas Mann I've got some sessions I wanted to hit up this morning. I may have to stop by though. What room did you guys go hide in? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 08:32 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Login with G+ and give us thumbs up or down as the show goes on! https://plus.google.com/u/0/hangouts/onair/watch?hid=hoaevent/cvdikb3n7df6anh74qng5tonru4ytl=WgGCF79soyUwpsrc=yta - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Google Vs. Vivint
Looks like Google is moving in to Vivints wireless territory/technology. http://www.zdnet.com/google-tests-ultra-high-speed-wireless-internet-technology-734751/ Who's going to win?
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps
Great for venues. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:14:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps 28Ghz for cell phones? That doesn’t go through walls? Lame. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Samsung Test environment for 7.5Gbps http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=43349 Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Tons of speculation. I posted about it awhile back if you dig through the archives. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 07:56 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Anyone know why they discountined? I'm assuming poor sales? They didn't even give themself's a chance at building the market? Crazy, glad I didn't get scammed On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Ask for refund Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Organization: SPITwSPOTS Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going ï¿1Ž2to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? ï¿1Ž2 -Tim ï¿1Ž2 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 Weï¿1Ž2ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, weï¿1Ž2re looking to implement ï¿1Ž2 but Iï¿1Ž2m running into the silliest of issues. I canï¿1Ž2t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan ï¿1Ž2popsï¿1Ž2), then Ethernet to a second computer. ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. ï¿1Ž2 This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we canï¿1Ž2t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Detect wireless fade and automatically route traffic to the most efficient path. You can't do that with mpls-te, and you can't get as low as a latency as these things have even with fastpath. That's the shame of it, had they finished it it would have been a great product, although they used the wrong base technology. It should have been built on SBP or TRILL to allow for the traditional mesh design, instead of ITU G.3082v2 which requires rings. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 08:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
You known of an SDN solution with 0.3us latency? Cool. Can I plop down 8 or 10 nodes of that in my network for 10k or less? No? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 09:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Which OpenFlow will do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:30:33 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes This is pretty much what I've been thinking from the get go on this stuff. The only advantage it has is being able to tell how much throughput is available on the fly and assigning traffic accordingly. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Detect wireless fade and automatically route traffic to the most efficient path. You can't do that with mpls-te right, you want radios that will do link state propagation to the router for that, which most carrier grade FDD backhauls will do. When a link fades below a certain threshold, turn off the interface so that from the perspective of two routers operating an OSPF /30 between two gigE interfaces, it looks like a cut cable. Thereby causing traffic to take another path. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Detect wireless fade and automatically route traffic to the most efficient path. You can't do that with mpls-te, and you can't get as low as a latency as these things have even with fastpath. That's the shame of it, had they finished it it would have been a great product, although they used the wrong base technology. It should have been built on SBP or TRILL to allow for the traditional mesh design, instead of ITU G.3082v2 which requires rings. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 08:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
