[AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Paul McCall via Af]

Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually "flip the switch" to 
running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.

Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out the 
Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only good 
for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one 
out to those that haven't gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That is a 
manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.

Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
emails sent this week, they can send an email to 
af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, 
and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then 
they will get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification 
email.

The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  :)

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] Packetflux SiteMonitor Gigabit POE Boards?

[Erich Kaiser via Af]

So Are the Gigabit POE boards available? 4/8 port?  It says something about
September.

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[joseph marsh via Af]

+1
On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:

> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for
> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2
> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID 
that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to 
lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.   

What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  > wrote:
> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for 
> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2 
> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys, 
> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542 
> r...@triadwireless.net 
> www.triadwireless.net 
>  
> 
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
> 
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the vendors say 
when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done something. 

I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but 
auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air 
Gateways. 


Make that on all of the products. Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID that 
the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to lock 
the CPE to the sector once it’s installed. 


What is so hard about this? Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago. 


Mark 




On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


+1 
On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for 
guests for example, is becoming a problem. I had 3 people in the last 2 weeks 
ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them. Come on guys, we’ve been 
asking for this for 5 years. It’s time. 

Rory Conaway 
Triad Wireless 
4226 S. 37th Street 
Phoenix, Az. 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane” 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux SiteMonitor Gigabit POE Boards?

[Josh Luthman via Af]

That's wrong from what I'm told

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 31, 2014 8:33 AM, "Erich Kaiser via Af"  wrote:

> So Are the Gigabit POE boards available? 4/8 port?  It says something
> about September.
>

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[That One Guy via Af]

UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
they dont have programmatic access to the device

I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.

I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary
wireless algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
products.

I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the
> vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
> something.
>
> I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
> auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and
> AirGateways.
>
>
> Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
> SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
> use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.
>
> What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
> ago.
>
> Mark
>
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
>
> +1
> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>
>> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for
>> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2
>> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
>> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway
>> Triad Wireless
>> 4226 S. 37th Street
>> Phoenix, Az.  85040
>> 602-426-0542
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

[Jay Weekley via Af]

Are you trying to "drum" up a compliment? .hee hee.

CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
We clicked on our verification email, no problem, but the folks who 
might miss this, are on vacation, don't read emails every day, etc, 
will the have any indication that their message wasn't sent aside from 
not seeing it on the list?  Ie, will they get a bounce or anything?


Just curious.
Thanks for all you do Paul!  See what happens when you put down the 
trumpet and actually work a day or twohee hee


- Original Message -
*From:* Paul McCall via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

Thanks Chuck!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

My verification subject was:

Amazon SES Address Verification Request in region US East (N.
Virginia)


Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Curtis Brotherton via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Here comes the Amazon Verification Email … Click the link in the
email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon.

I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers
to display the actual person and email address of the sender
(which also fixes the threading) J

===

Curtis Brotherton

PDMNet

(772) 564-6800 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

Well……

As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG
list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.  There were
some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY
specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to
send email through their servers.  That has resulted in a few
differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain
clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J

In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to
test how things would work if we went the “Amazon verified email”
method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get
prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the
AFMUG verification email.  This method seems to work just fine (we
actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it
handles all the backend “stuff” just like we want it to.)   The
email headers then work like they would in any other mail server.

We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making
the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got
slammed with other projects and didn’t pull the trigger on the
switchover.  Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE
BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG
signup.

We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get
everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the
email headers, etc.

Here’s what will happen….

All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified
(most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to
verify your email address.  The verification emails are good for
24 hours only.  The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG
unfortunately, and we can’t change it so just be looking for it,
check SPAM folders, etc.   Probably on Friday, we will turn on
“normal headers”.   If you have not been Amazon verified at that
point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the
list they will NOT go through.  We will monitor the changes
closely  and make any adjustments that are needed along the way.

*To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly. 
It’s important.  Follow the instructions please.*


Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  office

772-473-0352  cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Hotel info - UPDATE

[Traci via Af]

We have been told that they have done significant upgrades to their 
system. They also have a IT guy on site to help with any problems.


On 12/29/2014 4:39 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
That makes sense.  I was able to reserve at the Shilo without any 
problems, but may change my reservation now.


Any idea what the realistic internet situation is at the Ramada? I 
remember years ago it crashed and burned, but I think they only had 1 
or 2 AP's  for the whole place then.



On 12/29/2014 5:34 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
They are changing from the Shilo to the Holiday Inn. We have had 
multiple people tell us that when they call to reserve they are told 
that the hotel will not be open until mid-February. The hotel manager 
has assured us many time that is not the case. But if people can't 
call and reserve then we have a problem. If you can get through to 
someone there who will take your reservation then great, but we 
figured we had better have an alternative lined up.


On 12/29/2014 4:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I see you've taken the shilo/holiday inn completely off the afmug 
page now.  Was there some problem with it, or were they full?



On 12/29/2014 12:44 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
We have secured another hotel for AF attendees. Years ago we used 
this hotel, since it has been completely renovated. The Ramada Inn 
is just West of the Fairpark and is a free Trax ride to the show. 
It is also on the Airport Trax line, so you can go from the airport 
directly to the hotel. $80 per night is the rate and includes a 
continental breakfast and free internet. Of course you can stay 
anywhere you wish, there are many nice hotels in downtown Salt Lake 
City. This is just an option.


Ramada Inn
1659 West North Temple
801-533-9000

We will update the website today with this information as well.
Thanks - see you in a few weeks!
Traci

Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Your tastes in entertainment are  eclectic...

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI

From: Bill Prince via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.  

--
bp


On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

  I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.  
  (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some reason.  
Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)


  From: That One Guy via Af 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

  Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite

  On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

Well then obviously GMail is broken.

From: Josh Luthman via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch! 

Mine came at 1:24 PM


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

  Read Paul's email. 


  On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af  wrote:

I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from 
af@afmug.com ;)  



Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



The "From" was definitely broken.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






From: "Josh Luthman via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

Trick question, wasn't broken.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af  
wrote:

Maybe J



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



a yes or a no






-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you 
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use 
a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925










  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Chuck McCown via Af]

I think we all owe you a beer at AF.

From: Paul McCall via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to 
running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.

 

Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out the 
Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only good 
for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one 
out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That is a 
manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.

 

Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get 
OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the 
Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email.

 

The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Jeremy via Af]

Here herea 8.5% Double IPA!

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   I think we all owe you a beer at AF.
>
>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>
>
> Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to
> running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.
>
>
>
> Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent
> out the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it
> is only good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will
> send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of
> today.  That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one
> last time.
>
>
>
> Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header
> format will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure
> everything is doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the
> list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If
> they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they
> missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to
> af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (
> af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification email
> and then the AFMUG verification email.
>
>
>
> The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is
> required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

That looks like a ghetto version of IPOQUE.

On December 30, 2014 11:03:02 PM AKST, Ryan Ray via Af  wrote:
>Here's what a Palo Alto will get you.
>
>[image: Inline image 1]
>
>You can drill down into any of the categories to get more detailed info
>on
>who or what or add a filter for a specific ip.
>
>[image: Inline image 2]
>
>[image: Inline image 3]
>
>
>On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af <
>af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been batting around doing something with a managed router that
>> would show internal usage.  Still won't show where they were going,
>> but would show how much each device in their network was using.
>>
>> So, they could see that little Bobby's ipad have 2 Gig of download
>> between 2am and 3am.
>>
>> Had some nice stuff working on a mikrotik with a openwrt metarouter
>> running, just wasn't stable enough.
>>
>> Had one trial with a raspberry pi doing the tracking.  Worked great,
>> but didn't like having two devices.
>>
>> Next step is the "cloud".  Tried it once before on a virtual machine
>> running XP.  Just didn't scale right.  Going to try again with more
>> horsepower.
>>
>> Attached is the Alpha screen I was testing with.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.MyakkaTech.com
>>
>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>>
>> Please Donate at
>>
>http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009&pg=team&fr_id=37555
>> --
>>
>> Friday, December 26, 2014, 12:01:54 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> WAvA> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to
>> WAvA> providea customer a detailed report on Internet usage. Iï¿œm
>> WAvA> talking about theability to show a customer, on usage based
>> WAvA> billing, what caused theconsumption.ￜ My thought would be to
>> WAvA> route the customers IP through aspecialized process for a
>> WAvA> limited period of time so details could becollected.ￜ A sort
>of
>> WAvA> debug mode.
>>
>> WAvA> ￜ
>>
>> WAvA> Steve B
>>
>> WAvA> ￜ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> protection is active.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>

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Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Utah is not your  friend if you are looking for beer above 3.2%.  

From: Jeremy via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

Here herea 8.5% Double IPA!  

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

  I think we all owe you a beer at AF.

  From: Paul McCall via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

  Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to 
running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.



  Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out 
the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only 
good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another 
one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That is 
a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.



  Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get 
OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the 
Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email.



  The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J



  Paul McCall, Pres.

  PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 office

  772-473-0352 cell

  www.pdmnet.com

  pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Jeremy via Af]

Actually, one of the best craft breweries in the world is located right
here at 825 S. State.  Epic brewing exclusively brews high gravity beers.
You can even buy it cold at the brewery, even on Sundays!  The laws have
changed quite a bit over the last few years.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Utah is not your  friend if you are looking for beer above 3.2%.
>
>  *From:* Jeremy via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>
>  Here herea 8.5% Double IPA!
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>   I think we all owe you a beer at AF.
>>
>>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>>
>>
>> Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to
>> running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent
>> out the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it
>> is only good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will
>> send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of
>> today.  That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one
>> last time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header
>> format will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure
>> everything is doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the
>> list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If
>> they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they
>> missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to
>> af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (
>> af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification
>> email and then the AFMUG verification email.
>>
>>
>>
>> The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list
>> is required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

I think he'd be too drunk to run the list... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process


  I think we all owe you a beer at AF.

  From: Paul McCall via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

  Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to 
running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.

   

  Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out 
the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only 
good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another 
one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That is 
a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.

   

  Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get 
OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the 
Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email.

   

  The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J

   

  Paul McCall, Pres.

  PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 office

  772-473-0352 cell

  www.pdmnet.com

  pa...@pdmnet.net

   

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Ty Featherling via Af]

Is that your son?

-Ty

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Be safe
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

[AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

[Matt via Af]

These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

[Sean Heskett via Af]

nope


On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
> there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af]

Knowing Paul, he'd probably prefer that you make a donation to one of the 
non-profit organizations he supports.  I know he took a missions/aid trip to 
Haiti not too long ago.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:24 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af  wrote:
> 
>  
> I think he'd be too drunk to run the list... lol
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Chuck McCown via Af
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUGList change process
> 
> I think we all owe you a beer at AF.
>  
> From: Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>  
> Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to 
> running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.
>  
> Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out 
> the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only 
> good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another 
> one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That 
> is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.
>  
> Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
> will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
> doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
> be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
> the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
> emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, 
> get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will 
> get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email.
>  
> The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
> required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J
>  
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Yes.  Air Force Combat Veteran  and Sgt military police. .

Jaime Solorza
On Dec 31, 2014 11:39 AM, "Ty Featherling via Af"  wrote:

> Is that your son?
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Be safe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] daanngggg

[Dennis Burgess via Af]

http://consumerist.com/2014/12/30/comcast-rings-out-2014-with-yet-anothe
r-tape-recorded-customer-service-disaster/

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - dmburg...@linktechs.net 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Only if you bu 10k units a month … ;-)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 at 2:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

nope


On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

There is a Volume Purchase Agreement (VPA) available.

The original version was pretty awful; but it’s improved.   I can’t tell if 
they are still tying AP sales to CPE sales (which I wish they wouldn’t do), but 
there are some decent price breaks available.

Mark


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
> 
> These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
> there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Ty Featherling via Af]

Awesome. Great pic.

-Ty

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Yes.  Air Force Combat Veteran  and Sgt military police. .
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 31, 2014 11:39 AM, "Ty Featherling via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Is that your son?
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be safe
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Jay Weekley via Af]

I was expecting a picture of a beer and maybe some food.

Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:


Be safe

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[TJ Trout via Af]

Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
accurate.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Laters

Jaime Solorza
On Dec 31, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:

> I was expecting a picture of a beer and maybe some food.
>
> Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>
>>
>> Be safe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Sean Heskett via Af]

string 20 x 100watt light bulbs in series?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
> current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
> Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
> is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
> accurate.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Philip Rankin via Af]

We use automotive headlights for similar things.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

> string 20 x 100watt light bulbs in series?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
>> current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
>> Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
>> is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
>> accurate.
>>
>
>


-- 
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Dennis Burgess via Af]

Yep, when I used to race electric RC, we would have two bars with a bunch of 
bulbs attached to them to do a full drain on the batteries J  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net   – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rankin via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:24 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

 

We use automotive headlights for similar things.

 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

string 20 x 100watt light bulbs in series?

 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

 





 

-- 

Philip J. Rankin

Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

You can rent them fairly reasonably:  http://www.comrent.com/Catalog/Resistive/ 


Certified data centers need to load test generators on a fairly regular basis 
to maintain certifications.  There is a rental market for them.

Another suggestion would be replacement heating elements for stoves or water 
heaters.   2-4kW isn’t too hard to find.  They are usually rated for 220VAC so 
I have no idea what they will do on low voltage DC.   They will either have too 
much resistance to draw much of a load and won’t heat up, or the cold 
resistance will be low enough that they will get hot and regulate the current.  
It should only cost you about $30 to find out.Better yet - buy the 
replacement element for your water heater at your house.  If it doesn’t work 
out as a load bank keep it next to your water heater.  The spare heating 
element will guarantee the tank will rust out and spray water all over your 
basement before the installed element burns up.

Mark


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 2:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
> electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking 
> for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. 
> Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

2kw and cheap are not compatible.

If you can survive with a few hundred watts, go to circuitspecialists.com
and look for dc electronic loads.  I have two of these at packetflux we use
for similar purposes.

There are also quite a few build it yourself projects.  These require lots
of heatsinking and cooling and I haven't found any which seem as stable as
the commercial ones.   If you are set on 2kw, I'll try to find one which
may work.
On Dec 31, 2014 12:11 PM, "TJ Trout via Af"  wrote:

> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
> current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
> Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
> is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
> accurate.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Paul McCall via Af]

More true than not Jeff.

I probably have had a beer on just a couple occasions in 2014.  Kinda been 
there …done that.. long time ago.  With this group of guys though, I 
certainly would enjoy a couple ☺

In regards to the non-profit donation, suggestion… Actually, I am tentatively 
set  to go back to Haiti with World Orphans in February.  I am donating 
approximately 20  of these trumpets to a Music/Worship ministry school I was at 
last year, for young adults and going to give lessons for a few days (among 
other things on the trip).  A friend of mine designed them and they play 
amazing hard to believe.  I am bringing 10 trombones also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJaecGseM4U

So, if anyone wants to donate they can as they cost me about $ 90 each (50% of 
what they sell for in the US).   They could Paypal me at 
pa...@pdmnet.net .  I don’t have a 501c3 or whatever 
its called, so I cant offer any document for taxes for it as World Orphans are 
not officially sponsoring it at this point.

I am kinda excited about helping these guys get instruments and training.  Its 
amazing.  These people have almost nothing, but they take pride in whatever we 
have provided.  Very humbling.

Thanks for the plug Jeff, LOL ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via 
Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

Knowing Paul, he'd probably prefer that you make a donation to one of the 
non-profit organizations he supports.  I know he took a missions/aid trip to 
Haiti not too long ago.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:24 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I think he'd be too drunk to run the list... lol

- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

I think we all owe you a beer at AF.

From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to 
running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.

Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent out the 
Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it is only good 
for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one 
out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today.  That is a 
manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time.

Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header format 
will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure everything is 
doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still 
be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If they want to generate 
the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the 
emails sent this week, they can send an email to 
af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, 
and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then 
they will get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification 
email.

The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is 
required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] OT: You think your hotel internet sucks?

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

Still in Accra, Ghana. I won't have full control over my own WAN
connectivity until I'm in Sierra Leone.



To my OpenVPN end point in Chicago:


64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=328 ttl=44 time=35823.830 ms
64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=329 ttl=44 time=35670.255 ms
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[AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected 
to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries 
or anything. 

= 
During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not 
supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws 
in force in one’s country. 
The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A 
with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. 
= 

I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage 
capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: You think your hotel internet sucks?

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Satellite?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 31, 2014 2:41 PM, "Eric Kuhnke via Af"  wrote:

> Still in Accra, Ghana. I won't have full control over my own WAN
> connectivity until I'm in Sierra Leone.
>
>
>
> To my OpenVPN end point in Chicago:
>
>
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=328 ttl=44 time=35823.830 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=329 ttl=44 time=35670.255 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=330 ttl=44 time=36631.655 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=331 ttl=44 time=36991.921 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=332 ttl=44 time=38264.931 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=333 ttl=44 time=37747.913 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=334 ttl=44 time=37115.652 ms
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Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[timothy steele via Af]

last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work &
I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final out
fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after 5.6
final is out its on beta6 right now..

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
> longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
> Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
> they dont have programmatic access to the device
>
> I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
> product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.
>
> I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary
> wireless algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
> devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
> gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
> products.
>
> I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the
>> vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
>> something.
>>
>> I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
>> auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
>> and AirGateways.
>>
>>
>> Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
>> SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
>> use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.
>>
>> What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
>> ago.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
>>
>> +1
>> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID
>>> for guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last
>>> 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
>>> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway
>>> Triad Wireless
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street
>>> Phoenix, Az.  85040
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Bad spare heating element experience? :)

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

>  The spare heating element will guarantee the tank will rust out and spray
> water all over your basement before the installed element burns up.

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "timothy steele via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air 
Gateways. 


last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work & I 
think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final out fast 
as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after 5.6 final is 
out its on beta6 right now.. 


On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the longest 
running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it. 
Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but they 
dont have programmatic access to the device 


I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless product on 
the market these days supports it in some form or another. 


I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary wireless 
algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home devices? I doubt 
anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or gateways for customers 
since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti products. 



I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now 




On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the vendors say 
when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done something. 

I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but 
auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air 
Gateways. 




Make that on all of the products. Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID that 
the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to lock 
the CPE to the sector once it’s installed. 


What is so hard about this? Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago. 


Mark 




On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


+1 
On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for 
guests for example, is becoming a problem. I had 3 people in the last 2 weeks 
ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them. Come on guys, we’ve been 
asking for this for 5 years. It’s time. 

Rory Conaway 
Triad Wireless 
4226 S. 37th Street 
Phoenix, Az. 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane” 












-- 


All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Nah, just a cold shower because I didn’t have a spare.What was probably 
really stupid was buying a new heating element for a 20 year old water heater.  
The tank will probably go shortly.  At least the basement is only partially 
finished...

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:
> 
> Bad spare heating element experience? :)
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  > wrote:
>  The spare heating element will guarantee the tank will rust out and spray 
> water all over your basement before the installed element burns up.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?

[Philip Rankin via Af]

For the price:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161276158483?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not
> expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent.
> No batteries or anything.
>
> =
> During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch
> (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with
> the laws in force in one’s country.
> The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc
> @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve.
> =
>
> I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage
> capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>


-- 
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[timothy steele via Af]

somthing newer then busybox linux had?>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"timothy steele via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12:00 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and
> AirGateways.
>
> last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work
> & I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final
> out fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after
> 5.6 final is out its on beta6 right now..
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
>> longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
>> Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
>> they dont have programmatic access to the device
>>
>> I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
>> product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.
>>
>> I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary
>> wireless algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
>> devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
>> gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
>> products.
>>
>> I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the
>>> vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
>>> auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
>>> and AirGateways.
>>>
>>>
>>> Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
>>> SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
>>> use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.
>>>
>>> What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>>>
 As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID
 for guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last
 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
 we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.



 Rory Conaway
 Triad Wireless
 4226 S. 37th Street
 Phoenix, Az.  85040
 602-426-0542
 r...@triadwireless.net
 www.triadwireless.net



 “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[chuck--- via Af]

I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on this 
a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket 
of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

From: TJ Trout via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[chuck--- via Af]

I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on this 
a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket 
of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

From: TJ Trout via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux SiteMonitor Gigabit POE Boards?

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

Have been for a while.

Found that errant description and removed it.
So Are the Gigabit POE boards available? 4/8 port?  It says something about
September.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or
through a resistor bank.

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet
with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source
lead.  Or any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their
fraction of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.
On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

>   I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and
> constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive
> load.  What voltage range do you want?
>
> Doh!, that would be a constant power load.
>
> You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...
>
>  *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
>
>   I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think
> on this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire
> (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not
> constant current.
>
>  *From:* TJ Trout via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
>
>
> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
> current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
> Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
> is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
> accurate.
>

Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

AC input?

http://store.packetflux.com/48vdc-2a-power-supply-for-430-320-syncinjectors/
is isolated so should work just fine.

-forrest

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not
> expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent.
> No batteries or anything.
>
> =
> During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch
> (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with
> the laws in force in one’s country.
> The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc
> @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve.
> =
>
> I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage
> capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Yep, I was going to suggest a regular brick. Here's one: 
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069911


But the PacketFlux supply is obviously cheaper and a little more power.

As far as termination, I would just mount a short piece of DIN rail and 
throw a couple terminal blocks on it. If you're worried about needing 
over-current protection (for a single device on a single supply that has 
built-in shutdown protection, I wouldn't), then make one of the terminal 
blocks fused, either automotive plug-in style for easier sparing or use 
a DDFL4U double-level block that you can put a 2 or 3A 5x20mm glass 
cylinder fuse into.


On 12/31/2014 5:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

AC input?

http://store.packetflux.com/48vdc-2a-power-supply-for-430-320-syncinjectors/ 
is isolated so should work just fine.


-forrest

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af > wrote:


Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps.
Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be
independent. No batteries or anything.

=
During the final installation, protect the ODU by a
magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose
characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country.
The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least
48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve.
=

I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher
amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

A simple DC motor has torque proportional to current.  If somehow you can 
create a constant torque load it should draw constant current.  I think you 
could put a pump on the shaft of the motor and  let the pump circulate with a 
closed loop and a pressure regulator it would be a constant torque.  The fluid 
will get hot and will  have to have some way to get rid of the  heat.  No way 
around getting rid of  the heat no matter what  you do.  

Electronic only methods are simple in concept but if you want to burn the power 
with an active device that will take some serious heat sinking and some serious 
devices.  If you want to PWM into a resistive load, that will take more of 
complicated circuit.  An MCU could easily be programmed to control the PWM but 
that takes work.  

I can’t think of anything simpler than a motor and pump.  Not totally sure how 
tight it would regulate itself.  

From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Jay Weekley via Af]

  
  
Looks great Mr. Solorza!

Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:


  Rib eye and toreados.  
  Jaime Solorza
  On Dec 31, 2014 6:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza
via Af" 
wrote:

  Appetizers
  Jaime Solorza
  On Dec 31, 2014 6:26 PM, "Jaime
Solorza" 
wrote:

  Cheers
  Jaime Solorza
  On Dec 31, 2014 12:17 PM, "Jaime
Solorza via Af" 
wrote:

  Laters
  Jaime Solorza
  On Dec 31, 2014 12:09 PM,
"Jay Weekley via Af" 
wrote:
I
  was expecting a picture of a beer and maybe some
  food.
  
  Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
  

Be safe

Jaime Solorza

  
  

  

  

  

  


  

[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Wild

Meh ++
OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend paying 
full fare.  

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Sean Heskett via Af]

How about 2 x 1000watt portable heaters??

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant
> current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ?
> Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find
> is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less
> accurate.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Happy New Year to all

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Goodnight all. Be safe

Jaime Solorza
On Dec 31, 2014 7:30 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:

>  Looks great Mr. Solorza!
>
> Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>
> Rib eye and toreados.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 31, 2014 6:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Appetizers
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Dec 31, 2014 6:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Dec 31, 2014 12:17 PM, "Jaime Solorza via Af"  wrote:
>>>
 Laters

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 31, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:

> I was expecting a picture of a beer and maybe some food.
>
> Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>
>>
>> Be safe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Saw Equalizer on bluray.  Cool movie

Jaime Solorza
On Dec 31, 2014 7:35 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:

>   Wild
>
> Meh ++
> OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend
> paying full fare.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jay Weekley via Af]

That will be my New Years rental since Mississippi State is losing so bad.

Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:


Saw Equalizer on bluray.  Cool movie

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 31, 2014 7:35 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" > wrote:


Wild
Meh ++
OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not
recommend paying full fare.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

The original request was for a constant current load.

Heaters would be a near linear and somewhat constant load impedance.  
Current would be proportional to voltage (and inversely proportional to 
temperature most likely). 
But certainly not constant. 

From: Sean Heskett via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

How about 2 x 1000watt portable heaters??

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic 
braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans 
to cool them.  So you could buy some of these:

http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html



From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

No wattages are listed.  I wonder what they can dissipate.  I wonder what  the 
resistance element is.  Iron?  Stainless?  I doubt nichrome but could be.  Too 
bad they didn’t include batteries.  Maybe they are AC only.  

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic 
braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans 
to cool them.  So you could buy some of these:

http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html



From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Tushar Patel via Af]

I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make 
more sense.


Tushar


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
> 
> Wild
>  
> Meh ++
> OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend paying 
> full fare. 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown via Af]

$300/year for one or $500 for two.  
If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money.  Sometimes I see two 
a week.  
Free popcorn is included.

From: Tushar Patel via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make 
more sense.


Tushar 


On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:


  Wild

  Meh ++
  OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend paying 
full fare.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Nate Burke via Af]

How much did that season pass cost, and how does it work?  1 view per 
movie?  Do you get popcorn as part of it?


Or does the 'Season Pass' = 'My kid works there and lets me in the back 
door and I sit in the projection booth'


On 12/31/2014 10:55 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote:
I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now 
it make more sense.



Tushar


On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:



Wild
Meh ++
OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend 
paying full fare.

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Jon Auer via Af]

Busybox is just the shell/utility bundle for userland on embedded devices.
Ubiquiti is built on OpenWRT and OpenWRT has had multi-SSID for ages. UniFi
has multi-SSID so their toolchain has it/hardware supports it.
My guess would be they see AirX as part of the AirMax development process
and there's something in their custom drivers for AirMax that makes them
not want to do it.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:30 PM, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> somthing newer then busybox linux had?>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"timothy steele via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12:00 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
>> and AirGateways.
>>
>> last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work
>> & I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final
>> out fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after
>> 5.6 final is out its on beta6 right now..
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
>>> longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
>>> Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
>>> they dont have programmatic access to the device
>>>
>>> I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
>>> product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.
>>>
>>> I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary
>>> wireless algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
>>> devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
>>> gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
>>> products.
>>>
>>> I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the
 vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
 something.

 I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
 auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
 and AirGateways.


 Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
 SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
 use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.

 What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
 ago.

 Mark

 On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:

 +1
 On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:

> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID
> for guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last
> 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on 
> guys,
> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>
>
>



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

There are some reasonably priced electronic loads for testing batteries in the 
100 watt neighborhood, but he wants lots more than that.
I saw a used Kikusui unit on eBay, that name rings a bell, I think maybe they 
were the place to go for such things back in the day when I needed such things. 
 And Powerwerx sells one for something like $200.

Lots of strange loads on eBay if you search for “electronic load” or “load 
bank”.

If you just need it one time, check some of the test equipment rental places.  
They will usually rent equipment for a month for about 1/10 of the purchase 
price.



From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

No wattages are listed.  I wonder what they can dissipate.  I wonder what  the 
resistance element is.  Iron?  Stainless?  I doubt nichrome but could be.  Too 
bad they didn’t include batteries.  Maybe they are AC only.  

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic 
braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans 
to cool them.  So you could buy some of these:

http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html



From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

Which chain ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via Af" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 11:03 PM
$300/year for one or $500 for two.  
If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money.  Sometimes 
I see two a week.  
Free popcorn is included.




From: Tushar Patel via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review


I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it 
make more sense.
Tushar 

On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:




Wild

Meh ++
OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not 
recommend paying full fare.

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Resistance is futile.

From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it.   Not sure if there are any common 
power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device.  If you 
parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them.  Be nice to do full on 
and full off into a resistive load with input filtering.  Then you could use 
smaller devices and heat sinks.  PWM with input current feedback.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a 
resistor bank. 

One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components.  Or a jfet with 
source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead.  Or 
any of a hundred circuits.

For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction 
of the total amps.

I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here.

On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, "chuck--- via Af"  wrote:

  I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant 
voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load.  What 
voltage range do you want?

  Doh!, that would be a constant power load.  

  You want constant current load.  Have to continue thinking...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps.  Have to think on 
this a bit.  I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a 
bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current.

  From: TJ Trout via Af 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

  Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for 
something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe 
I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.