date:20150807

You might be thinking of sloths.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Failure

Aren't ant eaters slow?  Maybe I could use one to describe my competition.

Mathew Howard wrote:

But a fat ant eater would be even better for using in ads.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

Around here the ant eater would either get fat or get eaten.

I wonder if we could train one to take apart a Nanobridge?

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:33 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Failure

Get an anteater.  Looks like they climb. Might have many
uses.  Ride in truck like Dalmatian.  Use in ads like
gecko/duck.  Guard shop at night.  Train to climb towers.
anteater
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Failure
Nate,

Grab an air compressor and clean that sucker out.  Then RMA it
just to spite Mark =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Super WISP
superw...@wavonline.com mailto:superw...@wavonline.com wrote:

Nate,

I will refuse a return on that radio.  Disgusting!!! Looks 
like maggots too.

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*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Failure

Yuup!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Nate Burke
n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

I really hope this is the reference you were going for,
and I can't believe I didn't make it!

On 8/7/2015 11:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Well, that's how you get ants!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Nate Burke
n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

Yes, those are Ants. The worst part is that it still
feels like they're crawling on me. Must have shorted
out the radio, as it won't power up anymore.

Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread John Blake

If you take the entire switch and divide the costs just into the number of
customer facing ports, the cost comes out to $41.66 per port.  For a switch
platform that includes all licensing costs, stacking, 10G uplink ports, and
Enterprise feature set, I have found that to be a very good price.  I would
love to know about alternatives anyone has found that competes with that.
Also, that is a single switch quantity price.  If you order in some
quantity, then that number will go down.

John

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:

 dude, how much is your per port cost?

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:37 PM, John Blake jbl...@n1networks.com wrote:

 If you need 48 ports per 1RU, then I would recommend you consider the
 Huawei S5700-52X-LI-48CS-AC.  They do need moderate cooling, but have
 excellent cost-per-port and all the features you would want for Ethernet
 based FTTH (downstream port isolation, per port rate-limiting, SNMP, sticky
 MAC, stacking, tons of other features). We have one in our lab we have been
 evaluating for another FTTH project and they are awesome.  Much better
 feature set than Planet.  They use the dual-port CSFP transceivers to get
 48 ports into that space.  The switches are about $2k each depending on
 quantity.  We are a Huawei VAR so message me if you want more info.

 John Blake
 N1 Networks
 jbl...@n1networks.com

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am shocked there is no writing on the sheet describing connections ;).
 It does underscore how much more gear switching takes over PON.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015, 4:35 PM Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
 wrote:

 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to
 576.

 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will
 be connected here.

 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this
 setup really.

 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good
 Planet rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to
 match the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know
 I can get the density in one cabinet.

[AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

2015-08-07 Thread Brett A Mansfield

I have a few of these laying around. I removed them after I realized they don't 
like a mix of 100Mb and Gigabit. I really want to use them though rather than 
let them collect dust.

Does anyone have a setup where these are working for them? Or are they just a 
lost cause?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

2015-08-07 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

We have 3 links up so far. One has been running several months the others about 
a month. All on non GPS eptp.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:56 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

 

According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days right 
now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point. 
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't 
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:

How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been 
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it but 
it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a couple 
days ago and we have at least one other.

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:

Anyone at all?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] test

2015-08-07 Thread Rory Conaway



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/

Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards. - Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

2015-08-07 Thread Rory Conaway

It’s not always about size.

http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-4-x-4-inch-flat-panel-mimo-antennas

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

He probably means too expensive?

Actually, 23 dBi in 12x12 inches is pretty impressive, I think the MTI 
equivalent is 15x15 inches.


From: Sean Heskettmailto:af...@zirkel.us
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:16 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol



On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini 
ginovi...@gmail.commailto:ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:
too big


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote:
mars MA-WA56-DP23

http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com'); wrote:
looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

2015-08-07 Thread Joseph Marsh

Brandon have u had any interference issues on non GPS ?

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

We have 3 links up so far. One has been running several months the others about 
a month. All on non GPS eptp.

Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:56 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days right 
now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point. 
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't 
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:
How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been 
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it but 
it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a couple 
days ago and we have at least one other.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:
Anyone at all?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

2015-08-07 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

No its worked flawless for us. I am keeping the dishes separated horizontally 
by 10’ at all the sites. Although I don’t have any specific reason for doing so 
other then I had the room to do it.

I am considering GPS but only because I can squeeze one more link into the 
spectrum by eliminating the guard bands. A nice side effect will be having the 
GPS in future  if needed.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

 

Brandon have u had any interference issues on non GPS ?

  _  

From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net 
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

We have 3 links up so far. One has been running several months the others about 
a month. All on non GPS eptp.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:56 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

 

According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days right 
now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point. 
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't 
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:

How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been 
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it but 
it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a couple 
days ago and we have at least one other.

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:

Anyone at all?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-08-07 Thread Jaime Solorza

I don't want to test anything but an ice cold Tecate...boy Phx was hot this
week.  I drove from bitchin 62 degrees in Flagstaff to 102 Phx and Tucson
Wednesday on way home.
On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:





 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 602-426-0542*

 *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*



 *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
 lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*

Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-08-07 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

I hope tucson and phoenix is a bit cooler next week.  We're flying in on
Thursday to AZA (Mesa), then spending a couple of days in the Tucson area,
then back to phoenix for a conference M-S of the following week.

Fortunately the conference is 100% indoors and in a very nice air
conditioned resort.

-forrest

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I don't want to test anything but an ice cold Tecate...boy Phx was hot
 this week.  I drove from bitchin 62 degrees in Flagstaff to 102 Phx and
 Tucson Wednesday on way home.
 On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:





 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 602-426-0542*

 *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*



 *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
 lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*






-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-08-07 Thread Rory Conaway

It’s not that hot but it’s muggy as heck.  Keeps raining every other night in 
both cities.  Got dumped on again tonight in Phoenix.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test

I hope tucson and phoenix is a bit cooler next week.  We're flying in on 
Thursday to AZA (Mesa), then spending a couple of days in the Tucson area, then 
back to phoenix for a conference M-S of the following week.
Fortunately the conference is 100% indoors and in a very nice air conditioned 
resort.
-forrest

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't want to test anything but an ice cold Tecate...boy Phx was hot this 
week.  I drove from bitchin 62 degrees in Flagstaff to 102 Phx and Tucson 
Wednesday on way home.
On Aug 7, 2015 6:13 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542tel:602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards.” – Vern Law




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Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.commailto:forre...@imach.com | 
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Re: [AFMUG] test

Success?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:





 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 602-426-0542*

 *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*



 *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
 lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

2015-08-07 Thread cstanners

I can't recall last time I saw a switch that didn't gracefully mix 100 and 
1000mbit - what are the symptoms? What did Ubiquiti tech support say?

--Original Message--
From: Brett A Mansfield
Sender: Af
To: af@afmug.com
ReplyTo: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO
Sent: Aug 7, 2015 5:06 PM

I have a few of these laying around. I removed them after I realized they don't 
like a mix of 100Mb and Gigabit. I really want to use them though rather than 
let them collect dust.

Does anyone have a setup where these are working for them? Or are they just a 
lost cause?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO

2015-08-07 Thread Brett A Mansfield

I never went to their support. I needed to fix it right away.

Before putting in the TS I was getting close to 100mb per access point on RM5s, 
but after putting it in I was getting a max of 30mb. I switched it back out for 
Mikrotik and now I get 80-95Mb again.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 8:13 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can't recall last time I saw a switch that didn't gracefully mix 100 and 
 1000mbit - what are the symptoms? What did Ubiquiti tech support say?
 
 --Original Message--
 From: Brett A Mansfield
 Sender: Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 ReplyTo: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO
 Sent: Aug 7, 2015 5:06 PM
 
 I have a few of these laying around. I removed them after I realized they 
 don't like a mix of 100Mb and Gigabit. I really want to use them though 
 rather than let them collect dust.
 
 Does anyone have a setup where these are working for them? Or are they just a 
 lost cause?
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Jason McKemie

Unfortunately it is Huawei.

On Friday, August 7, 2015, John Blake jbl...@n1networks.com wrote:

 If you take the entire switch and divide the costs just into the number of
 customer facing ports, the cost comes out to $41.66 per port.  For a switch
 platform that includes all licensing costs, stacking, 10G uplink ports, and
 Enterprise feature set, I have found that to be a very good price.  I would
 love to know about alternatives anyone has found that competes with that.
 Also, that is a single switch quantity price.  If you order in some
 quantity, then that number will go down.

 John

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 dude, how much is your per port cost?

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:37 PM, John Blake jbl...@n1networks.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jbl...@n1networks.com'); wrote:

 If you need 48 ports per 1RU, then I would recommend you consider the
 Huawei S5700-52X-LI-48CS-AC.  They do need moderate cooling, but have
 excellent cost-per-port and all the features you would want for Ethernet
 based FTTH (downstream port isolation, per port rate-limiting, SNMP, sticky
 MAC, stacking, tons of other features). We have one in our lab we have been
 evaluating for another FTTH project and they are awesome.  Much better
 feature set than Planet.  They use the dual-port CSFP transceivers to get
 48 ports into that space.  The switches are about $2k each depending on
 quantity.  We are a Huawei VAR so message me if you want more info.

 John Blake
 N1 Networks
 jbl...@n1networks.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jbl...@n1networks.com');

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lewis.berg...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 I am shocked there is no writing on the sheet describing connections
 ;). It does underscore how much more gear switching takes over PON.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015, 4:35 PM Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net'); wrote:

 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up
 to 576.

 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will
 be connected here.

 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this
 setup really.

 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good
 Planet rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to
 match the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to
 know I can get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Mike Hammett

Waiting for you to figure out a GPON company you like long term so we all can 
steal it. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 5:10:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy! 


GPON does all that in one nice switch ;) Actually happy for residential that we 
made the switch. 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Sterling Jacobson  sterl...@avative.net  
wrote: 


I guess the list doesn't like 2MB file attachments, lol! 





-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: ' af@afmug.com '  af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy! 

This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to 576. 

I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be 
connected here. 

It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup 
really. 

It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good Planet 
rep to get the 48 port 1U density. 
I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match the 
576 panel capacity. 
Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I can 
get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

He probably means too expensive?

Actually, 23 dBi in 12x12 inches is pretty impressive, I think the MTI 
equivalent is 15x15 inches.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol 

On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:

  too big 

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote:

mars MA-WA56-DP23 

http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

  looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

2015-08-07 Thread Colin Stanners

Googled a bit..
http://www.alfasystems.be/PDF/L1/Cat4ah1s15_a2_6.pdf
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=4
http://www.kenbotong.com/wireless-antenna/WiFi-MIMO-Antennas/5GHz-Wifi-MIMO-Directional-Antennas/TDJ-D5158BFO.html

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:

 too big, im looking for 6 to 8 square

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 He probably means too expensive?

 Actually, 23 dBi in 12x12 inches is pretty impressive, I think the MTI
 equivalent is 15x15 inches.


 *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

 Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol



 On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:

 too big


 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett 
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote:

 mars MA-WA56-DP23

 http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol

[AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Anyone at all?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a
couple days ago and we have at least one other.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

imgur.com!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:

 I guess the list doesn't like 2MB file attachments, lol!



 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:35 PM
 To: 'af@afmug.com' af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to
 576.

 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be
 connected here.

 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup
 really.

 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good
 Planet rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match
 the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I
 can get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it
but it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a
 couple days ago and we have at least one other.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Mine worked at 2000 feet for a few weeks.  Worked at the base of the
tower.  Move it to the far tower on that dish and no association.  Thinking
ePMP for that one...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it makes you feel better, I just put up the second half of an AF5x that
 I can't get to associate. I'm pretty sure it's my fault though for not
 setting something up right though... and I have a bad ethernet cable on the
 other side so I can't get to it to check.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I am super lucky that's for sure.  AF5x doesn't even associate and I find
 an obscure ePTP bug (which they fixed, of which fix caused another bug and
 was also fixed).


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31
 days right now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point.
 I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I
 haven't seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's
 been experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for
 it but it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP
 a couple days ago and we have at least one other.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Sterling Jacobson

This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to 576.

I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be 
connected here.

It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup 
really.

It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good Planet 
rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match the 
576 panel capacity.
Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I can 
get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days
right now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point.
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's
 been experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for
 it but it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a
 couple days ago and we have at least one other.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN

How are those switches performing under load?

---
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange 

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
 
 I guess the list doesn't like 2MB file attachments, lol!
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:35 PM
 To: 'af@afmug.com' af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!
 
 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to 576.
 
 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be 
 connected here.
 
 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup 
 really.
 
 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good Planet 
 rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match 
 the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I can 
 get the density in one cabinet.
 20150804_115329.jpg

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

I am super lucky that's for sure.  AF5x doesn't even associate and I find
an obscure ePTP bug (which they fixed, of which fix caused another bug and
was also fixed).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days
 right now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point.
 I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I
 haven't seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's
 been experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for
 it but it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a
 couple days ago and we have at least one other.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

If it makes you feel better, I just put up the second half of an AF5x that
I can't get to associate. I'm pretty sure it's my fault though for not
setting something up right though... and I have a bad ethernet cable on the
other side so I can't get to it to check.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 I am super lucky that's for sure.  AF5x doesn't even associate and I find
 an obscure ePTP bug (which they fixed, of which fix caused another bug and
 was also fixed).


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days
 right now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point.
 I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I
 haven't seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's
 been experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for
 it but it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP
 a couple days ago and we have at least one other.

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Anyone at all?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] R56 question

The stuff you are looking for starts in Section 5.3 (around page 200).

Someones referred to the guide before!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote:

Im no expert here, but my initial thought is the wire going to the master
bus is not big enough. The grand daddy of all tower grounding documents is
the one from Motorola:

https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf

If that link does not work google r56 grounding pdf” It’s a 10 meg
file. The stuff you are looking for starts in Section 5.3 (around page
200).

Justin

---
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange

On Aug 7, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

The boys used one of these ground bus bars like you would find in an
electrical load center to connect a bunch of surge protectors to a master
ground bus at a tower site.
We're supposed to follow R56 at this site and I think they goofed. I
can't think of an honest reason why it wouldn't be a good ground, but I
don't think it's by the book because it can't fit the required #2 wire
that's supposed to go back to the MGB (they used #6). It also can't use
the type of ground terminals called for in the book.

I hate to make them redo it, and at our own site I wouldn't cry about it,
but this landlord was clear that we have to stick with R56. I'm kind of
hoping one of you tell me it meets the requirements and not to worry about
it.

idjifiig.png

Re: [AFMUG] R56 question

2015-08-07 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN

If the owner wants R56 there will be very specific things that need to be done 
whether other things work or not.

Justin
---
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/  Managed Services – xISP Solutions – 
Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about 
xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit – 
Internet Exchange 

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:30 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, we use those kinds of things all the time for tying a bunch of surge 
 suppressors in. If it's tied in with everything else at the site, I don't see 
 a problem with it.
 
 On 8/7/2015 4:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Only surge protectors?  And what kind, POE or coax?
  
 The reason I ask is if they are POE surge protectors, everything beyond your 
 10 AWG wires may be tiny PCB traces and 24 AWG drain wires.  At some point, 
 caring about the difference between a 6 AWG and 2 AWG wire is just silly.
  
 If that ground block goes to a rack of equipment, or to coax shield grounds, 
 or to coax lightning protectors, then maybe it would be best to put in one 
 of those copper plates with lots of holes and crimp the double-hole lugs 
 onto the wires and bolt them to the plate.
  
  
 From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 3:33 PM
 To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] R56 question
  
 The boys used one of these ground bus bars like you would find in an 
 electrical load center to connect a bunch of surge protectors to a master 
 ground bus at a tower site.
 We're supposed to follow R56 at this site and I think they goofed.  I can't 
 think of an honest reason why it wouldn't be a good ground, but I don't 
 think it's by the book because it can't fit the required #2 wire that's 
 supposed to go back to the MGB (they used #6).  It also can't use the type 
 of ground terminals called for in the book.  
 
 I hate to make them redo it, and at our own site I wouldn't cry about it, 
 but this landlord was clear that we have to stick with R56.  I'm kind of 
 hoping one of you tell me it meets the requirements and not to worry about 
 it.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

2015-08-07 Thread Joseph Marsh

We are about to deploy 2 eptp links 

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Anyone at all?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

well shit

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

 Yup, they talk to each other via IP. We ran into the same thing with our
 SAFs.. Kinda silly, I think.

 Vlad


 On 8/7/2015 3:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is
 displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link that it
 is displaying, with the exception that the working one both radios are on
 the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do the pull remote side
 data via ip, or am i missing something here

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] R56 question

2015-08-07 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN

Im no expert here, but my initial thought is the wire going to the master bus
is not big enough. The grand daddy of all tower grounding documents is the one
from Motorola:

https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf

If that link does not work google r56 grounding pdf” It’s a 10 meg file. The
stuff you are looking for starts in Section 5.3 (around page 200).

Justin

---
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/ Managed Services – xISP Solutions –
Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about
xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit –
Internet Exchange

On Aug 7, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

The boys used one of these ground bus bars like you would find in an
electrical load center to connect a bunch of surge protectors to a master
ground bus at a tower site.
We're supposed to follow R56 at this site and I think they goofed. I can't
think of an honest reason why it wouldn't be a good ground, but I don't think
it's by the book because it can't fit the required #2 wire that's supposed
to go back to the MGB (they used #6). It also can't use the type of ground
terminals called for in the book.

I hate to make them redo it, and at our own site I wouldn't cry about it, but
this landlord was clear that we have to stick with R56. I'm kind of hoping
one of you tell me it meets the requirements and not to worry about it.

idjifiig.png

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Chuck Hogg

GPON does all that in one nice switch ;)  Actually happy for residential
that we made the switch.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:

 I guess the list doesn't like 2MB file attachments, lol!



 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:35 PM
 To: 'af@afmug.com' af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to
 576.

 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be
 connected here.

 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup
 really.

 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good
 Planet rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match
 the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I
 can get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] R56 question

2015-08-07 Thread Lewis Bergman

That is exactly right. R56, which by the way is updated every couple of
years ago the link to a ten year old one while better than nothing wrong
get you compliant to a demanding site owner.

R56 allows no substitution for multiple conductors instead of larger
gauges. If I remember correctly supplementary bus bars must have conductors
to the main bus bar that:
1 Are at least as large as the largest conductor attached to it.
2. Sized appropriately for the length. ( the gauge increases with length )
3. Adhere to all the other ground conductor rules like bend radius and so
forth.
4. All attachments must use anti ox compound.
And a bunch others I can't remember.

Honestly, if the site owner is a sticker for R56, I would correct it after
an audit find it, unless you are supposed to be the auditor. If he audits
once a year I'll bet he always find something if he knows what he is doing.
I might be able to find my audit sheet if you are interested.

By the way, R56 is only half about protecting equipment. The other half is
about protecting people which is why it can get pretty ridiculous.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015, 5:37 PM Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote:

 If the owner wants R56 there will be very specific things that need to be
 done whether other things work or not.

 Justin
 ---
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
 http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
 http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:30 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

 Yeah, we use those kinds of things all the time for tying a bunch of surge
 suppressors in. If it's tied in with everything else at the site, I don't
 see a problem with it.

 On 8/7/2015 4:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Only surge protectors?  And what kind, POE or coax?

 The reason I ask is if they are POE surge protectors, everything beyond
 your 10 AWG wires may be tiny PCB traces and 24 AWG drain wires.  At some
 point, caring about the difference between a 6 AWG and 2 AWG wire is just
 silly.

 If that ground block goes to a rack of equipment, or to coax shield
 grounds, or to coax lightning protectors, then maybe it would be best to
 put in one of those copper plates with lots of holes and crimp the
 double-hole lugs onto the wires and bolt them to the plate.


 *From:* Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 3:33 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] R56 question


 The boys used one of these ground bus bars like you would find in an
 electrical load center to connect a bunch of surge protectors to a master
 ground bus at a tower site.
 We're supposed to follow R56 at this site and I think they goofed.  I
 can't think of an honest reason why it wouldn't be a good ground, but I
 don't think it's by the book because it can't fit the required #2 wire
 that's supposed to go back to the MGB (they used #6).  It also can't use
 the type of ground terminals called for in the book.

 I hate to make them redo it, and at our own site I wouldn't cry about it,
 but this landlord was clear that we have to stick with R56.  I'm kind of
 hoping one of you tell me it meets the requirements and not to worry about
 it.

 Mail Attachment.png

Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!

2015-08-07 Thread Lewis Bergman

I am shocked there is no writing on the sheet describing connections ;). It
does underscore how much more gear switching takes over PON.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015, 4:35 PM Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:

 This time I used a super dense 4U LC fiber panel that can connect up to
 576.

 I've got about 370 of it loaded with fiber, about a third of that will be
 connected here.

 It requires the thinner mil cable which is the only PITA about this setup
 really.

 It's using 24 port 1U fiber switches, but I'm still looking for a good
 Planet rep to get the 48 port 1U density.
 I could upgrade to those and fill out the entire 12U switch space to match
 the 576 panel capacity.
 Not going to have 100 percent take rate I'm sure, but it's nice to know I
 can get the density in one cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

2015-08-07 Thread D. Ryan Spott

When I need the specs I just Google the product name. Some place in 
brazil has the PDFs available. Everything is Portuguese but the wattage 
etc is in english.


COMPLETE BS that the spec sheets are behind a pay/info/login wall.

ryan


On 8/6/15 12:43 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

+∞
On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Brian Meredith 
br...@mailinglists.softcom.net 
mailto:br...@mailinglists.softcom.net wrote:



  * Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to
accept the request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads,
even though I'm 100% sure I'm putting in the correct entry.
  * Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to
download a data sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support
section for registered customers?






--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

2015-08-07 Thread George Skorup

I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and 
haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling 
Meadows? :)


The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure. 
The 3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly 
after starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile 
too, have to check tomorrow.


On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:
We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what 
is going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I 
will provide more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the 
trouble this is causing.

Rajesh Vijayakumar
Cambium Networks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan 
installe...@foxvalley.net mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:


We have had a few.


On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew
whats making this happen as they work fine out of the box then
die later

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and
RMA is the only solution.


On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the
RF die and show in re letters

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for
a week or so before they stopped running tired defaulting
both and upgrading firmware on both did not work they also
randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr drive apart
connected to diffrent towers


anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

It would be outstanding if the base unit had the ability to map expansion
communication to individual IPs

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's right.  I set up two identical systems, except the same OID means
 something different on the two setups because expansion units are listed in
 a different order.

 OI think I misread your question.  You are talking the order of
 the expansion units.  14 hours in the sun working the booth at the county
 fair and my brain is fried

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, this.  http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=17

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:39 PM, George Skorup  geo...@cbcast.com
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

 This? http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=14
 http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=14

 That's mostly for modules not being detected at all. I guess reordering
 modules could potentially have an issue with this bug. I've had that
 happen, remotely too. Usually just a couple bus rescans or a base reboot
 will get them back.

 This reminds me, where's that beta firmware for the SyncInjectors and
 PDUs that does the trip auto reset? Forrest?

 On 8/6/2015 9:23 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 The new firmware addressed this issue.

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett  dmmoff...@gmail.com
 dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?


 On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:

 Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the
 expansion bus.

 On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to
 correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but I
 would really like it to.











-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Failure

Well, that's how you get ants!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 Yes, those are Ants. The worst part is that it still feels like they're
 crawling on me.  Must have shorted out the radio, as it won't power up
 anymore.

 Nate

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

This may or may not actually work.  I filled this out early this week and
haven't heard back:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/ptp/rma-request


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I had one sitting here from the field that developed intermittent ADI
 communication failures.  Just sent an email to r...@cambiumnetworks.com.
 Not sure if that’s the right way, or if you’re supposed to open a ticket.

 *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:26 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not
 supported!

 Hey, if they need failed hardware to figure it out, fine with me.

 On 8/7/2015 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 In my experience, if you complain a lot and offer to drive it to them,
 they take you up on it.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com geo...@cbcast.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, August 7, 2015 1:03:18 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not
 supported!

 I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and
 haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling
 Meadows? :)

 The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure.
 The 3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly
 after starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile
 too, have to check tomorrow.

 On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:

 We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what is
 going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I will
 provide more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the trouble this
 is causing.
 Rajesh Vijayakumar
 Cambium Networks

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan 
 installe...@foxvalley.netinstalle...@foxvalley.net wrote:

 We have had a few.


 On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats making
 this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

 Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is the
 only solution.


 On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

 we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and
 show in re letters

 RF Calibration Failure
 ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

 They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or so
 before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware on
 both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr
 drive apart connected to diffrent towers


 anyone have any clue whats going on here??


 Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Glen Waldrop

I was going to do some reading on that myself.

Last time I fooled with MPLS was on an x86 v4.17, bricked it as soon as I hit 
the button.

Oddly enough I haven’t touched it since.




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

can somebody lay down the dummy version of MPLS implementation

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote:

  Plus one for MPLS/VPLS.  Gives you a lot more control over what goes where.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
  Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:52 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist



  If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings 
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't done 
it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer tunnels for 
multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.

  On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, 
got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, 
all the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big 
L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into 
the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use STP, 
that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in case the 
main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a tower go 
out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to 
take the rest of the day off...

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the 
backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than 12+ 
subnets from tower to tower.

Input is appreciated.







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap VFL fiber test kit ?

2015-08-07 Thread Adam Moffett


For short range, a fault indicator light is cheap and easy.
It doesn't prove attenuation is within spec, but it proves the path is 
or isn't broken.


On 8/7/2015 9:10 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Can anyone recommend a cost-effective (OK, cheap) kit to do basic 
fiber continuity tests that we could purchase for each van?  Just to 
quickly make sure there isnï¿½t a broken fiber on a jobsite.


Preferably one that comes with the necessary adapters to test ST, SC, 
LV, MM/SM etc.


Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

can somebody lay down the dummy version of MPLS implementation

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote:

 Plus one for MPLS/VPLS.  Gives you a lot more control over what goes where.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:52 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist



 If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF
 rings (like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I
 haven't done it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer
 tunnels for multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.

 On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

 I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower,
 got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the
 customers, all the fun stuff.

 I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big
 L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no
 different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but
 the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

 I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into
 the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use
 STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in
 case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a
 tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

 I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to
 take the rest of the day off...

 I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the
 backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than
 12+ subnets from tower to tower.

 Input is appreciated.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

2015-08-07 Thread George Skorup


Hey, if they need failed hardware to figure it out, fine with me.

On 8/7/2015 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
In my experience, if you complain a lot and offer to drive it to them, 
they take you up on it.  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 7, 2015 1:03:18 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not 
supported!


I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and 
haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling 
Meadows? :)


The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication 
failure. The 3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both 
reboot shortly after starting to scan. I think I might have another 
5GHz in my WTF pile too, have to check tomorrow.


On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:

We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at
what is going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on
Monday. I will provide more details as soon as possible. I am
sorry about the trouble this is causing.
Rajesh Vijayakumar
Cambium Networks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan
installe...@foxvalley.net mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

We have had a few.


On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone
knew whats making this happen as they work fine out of the
box then die later

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well.
Replace and RMA is the only solution.


On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue
have the RF die and show in re letters

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where
installed for a week or so before they stopped
running tired defaulting both and upgrading
firmware on both did not work they also randomly
reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr drive apart
connected to diffrent towers


anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Shayne Lebrun

Plus one for MPLS/VPLS.  Gives you a lot more control over what goes where.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't
done it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer tunnels
for multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.

On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, got
a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers,
all the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big
L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but
the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into
the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use
STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in
case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a
tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to
take the rest of the day off...

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the
backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than
12+ subnets from tower to tower.

Input is appreciated.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap VFL fiber test kit ?

2015-08-07 Thread Chuck Hogg

We use that and a cheap light meter from china...

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/test-equipment/visual-fault-locators/fis-pocket-fault-locator-with-universal-2-5mm-adapter.html

 That one fits on anything with a 2.5mm ferrule.ï¿½ Which is everything
 you'll encounter except LC.ï¿½ To get on the 1.25mm ferrule of LC you can
 buy a second tool, or make sure you have a short patch cord that's LC on
 one end and something else on the other end...and an appropriate mating
 sleeve.

 The range is longer than I thought6-7km.


 On 8/7/2015 10:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 For short range, a fault indicator light is cheap and easy.
 It doesn't prove attenuation is within spec, but it proves the path is or
 isn't broken.

 On 8/7/2015 9:10 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

 Can anyone recommend a cost-effective (OK, cheap) kit to do basic fiber
 continuity tests that we could purchase for each van?ï¿½ Just to quickly
 make sure there isnï¿½t a broken fiber on a jobsite.

 ï¿½

 Preferably one that comes with the necessary adapters to test ST, SC, LV,
 MM/SM etc.

 ï¿½

 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

I had one sitting here from the field that developed intermittent ADI 
communication failures.  Just sent an email to r...@cambiumnetworks.com.  Not 
sure if that’s the right way, or if you’re supposed to open a ticket.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

Hey, if they need failed hardware to figure it out, fine with me.

On 8/7/2015 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  In my experience, if you complain a lot and offer to drive it to them, they 
take you up on it.  ;-)

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 1:03:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not 
supported!

  I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and haven't 
got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling Meadows? :)

  The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure. The 
3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly after 
starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile too, have to 
check tomorrow.

  On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:

We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what is 
going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I will provide 
more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the trouble this is causing. 
Rajesh Vijayakumar
Cambium Networks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net 
wrote:

  We have had a few. 

  On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats 
making this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com 
wrote:

  Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is 
the only solution. 

  On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die 
and show in re letters 

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week 
or so before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware 
on both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr 
drive apart connected to diffrent towers

anyone have any clue whats going on here??

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

2015-08-07 Thread Glen Waldrop

The cable co I consult for had an order for Windstream placed in November of 
2013.
They were trying to get off of ATT fiber. The rep at Winstream assured us 
this is possible. The install was to take place in February 2014.


Fast forward to I think Sept 2014, we cancel the order. Windstream was going 
to run ATT fiber to a different location and pawn it off to us as a 
different supplier. As much as I dislike dealing with ATT today, we placed 
an order with them and had a 500Mb fiber installed within the month.


Could be an isolated incident, but it didn't exactly instill me with faith 
in Windstream.




-Original Message- 
From: Keefe John

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To 
Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov



They could start deploying fixed-wireless via BusinessOnlyBroadband.

On 8/6/2015 8:35 PM, David Milholen wrote:

Seems that all the  HYPE about CAF was a giant FARCE!
Go Giant telcos for gov funding. Squash the little guy :)



 Forwarded Message 

https://www.fcc.gov/document/windstream-takes-175m-connect-america-offer-expand-rural-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Joe Novak

very interested in the MPLS implementation also.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:00 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 can somebody lay down the dummy version of MPLS implementation

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote:

 Plus one for MPLS/VPLS.  Gives you a lot more control over what goes
 where.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:52 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist



 If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF
 rings (like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I
 haven't done it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer
 tunnels for multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.

 On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

 I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower,
 got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the
 customers, all the fun stuff.

 I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one
 big L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will
 be no different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own
 subnet, but the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

 I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy
 into the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might
 use STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed
 in case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy
 should a tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind
 it as well.

 I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to
 take the rest of the day off...

 I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the
 backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than
 12+ subnets from tower to tower.

 Input is appreciated.






 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap VFL fiber test kit ?

2015-08-07 Thread Adam Moffett


http://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/test-equipment/visual-fault-locators/fis-pocket-fault-locator-with-universal-2-5mm-adapter.html

That one fits on anything with a 2.5mm ferrule.  Which is everything 
you'll encounter except LC.  To get on the 1.25mm ferrule of LC you can 
buy a second tool, or make sure you have a short patch cord that's LC on 
one end and something else on the other end...and an appropriate mating 
sleeve.


The range is longer than I thought6-7km.

On 8/7/2015 10:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

For short range, a fault indicator light is cheap and easy.
It doesn't prove attenuation is within spec, but it proves the path is 
or isn't broken.


On 8/7/2015 9:10 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Can anyone recommend a cost-effective (OK, cheap) kit to do basic 
fiber continuity tests that we could purchase for each van?ï¿½ Just 
to quickly make sure there isnï¿½t a broken fiber on a jobsite.


ï¿½

Preferably one that comes with the necessary adapters to test ST, SC, 
LV, MM/SM etc.


ï¿½

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer ToExpand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

2015-08-07 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Did you see the article about windstream getting money for Alabama? I think
it must have been an AP article because it showed up in our local paper.

http://www.cullmantimes.com/news/state-fcc-provides-funding-for-expanded-broadband-in-rural-alabama/article_65ebebb8-3c50-11e5-a9ec-5b1fe1f16315.html

- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer
ToExpand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

The cable co I consult for had an order for Windstream placed in November of
2013.
They were trying to get off of ATT fiber. The rep at Winstream assured us
this is possible. The install was to take place in February 2014.

Fast forward to I think Sept 2014, we cancel the order. Windstream was going
to run ATT fiber to a different location and pawn it off to us as a
different supplier. As much as I dislike dealing with ATT today, we placed
an order with them and had a 500Mb fiber installed within the month.

Could be an isolated incident, but it didn't exactly instill me with faith
in Windstream.

-Original Message-
From: Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To
Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

They could start deploying fixed-wireless via BusinessOnlyBroadband.

On 8/6/2015 8:35 PM, David Milholen wrote:
Seems that all the HYPE about CAF was a giant FARCE!
Go Giant telcos for gov funding. Squash the little guy :)

Forwarded Message

https://www.fcc.gov/document/windstream-takes-175m-connect-america-offer-expand-rural-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Glen Waldrop

You guys have given me some light reading to do based on my question above.

Sounds like the consensus is a few mid sized L2 rather than one large L2 for 
backhauls? Or stick with a subnet per link as I have now?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shayne Lebrun 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

  That’s the basics.  On a Mikrotik:

  Create a bridge with no ports.  Call it ‘Loopback’.  Assign a /32 to it, and 
advertise via OSPF.

  Set your OSPF instance router ID to this IP.

  MPLS-MPLS, under LDP Settings, select Enabled, use the Loopback IP as the 
LSR ID and Transport Address.  Add the interface under LDP Interface and MPLS 
Interface.

  Now, MTU is the big sticking point.  On MPLS Interface, I use 1586, which 
gives plenty of room for full 1500 byte packets plus VLANs, MPLS labels, VPLS 
labels, and so on.  But all equipment needs to support that MTU; backhauls, 
routers, everything.  So no 493 family Mikrotiks.  No Canopy FSK or 430 
backhauls.  Ubiquiti, depends.  And so on.

  Once you have an MPLS network, you can create VPLS tunnels just like EoIP 
tunnels, only there’ll be no fragmenting and way WAY less encapsulation 
overhead.  

  RSVP, I think is what Mikrotik calls ‘Traffic Engineering.’  Tell it how much 
bandwidth you have on each interface, and you can avoid the situation where you 
have router a-b-c-d and router a-d means the first path is idle as long as 
the second path is up.  

  I’ll reiterate, though, MTU will be the sticking point.

  Mikrotik’s wiki has some great write-ups on all this.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

  If you have even a couple of routers (ideally with switches off of each), you 
can simulate some pretty cool stuff… then add a third router into the mix and 
it’s even more fun.

  MPLS isn’t something you just learn right away – it’s something that takes 
time to learn and run through in a lab setting ideally … there’s a lot of 
complexities that you can use if you want to … or there are simpler approaches….

  Very very high level…. (not Microtik specific – I don’t know Microtik very 
well)

  Enable loopback interfaces on all routers (which often is already setup)

  Enable OSPF between the routers (pretty typical)

  Enable RSVP on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

  Enable MPLS “protocol” on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

  Configure iBGP between the routers (full mesh, peering with loopbacks – not 
interface IP’s)

  Configure LSP’s between all routers (remember, LSP’s are unidirectional so 
need all routers configured to all routers).

  This is assuming you want an RSVP based MPLS network and not LDP based – RSVP 
has advantages over LDP but is more complex to setup.  You may also prefer 
using ISIS instead of OSPF in some networks.

  Once the LSP’s are established then you can look to create l2vpn, l3vpn, 
vpls, or multicast-vpn instances (there are many things you can do here).  
Easiest is an l2vpn where you transport a VLAN from one switchport to another 
switchport via the routers “in the middle”.Once you have some test traffic 
going, then you can investigate protection options such as fast re-route, node 
link protection etc… this is where MPLS really starts to “shine” when there is 
more than one path available to carry the traffic … how you influence how the 
traffic flows and how fast traffic will failover during an outage etc etc…

  This is incredibly high level overview and I may be missing something 
depending on your network hardware and topology …. But again, the basics from a 
high level.

  Paul

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:04 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

  I haven't grasped how this would work, but I haven't tried it in a lab yet 
either.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:55:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

  I’d suggest BGP at all locations when building an MPLS network – MPBGP to be 
specific….

  Sometimes folks who are just starting into MPLS presume that by having a full 
BGP mesh everywhere means that you need to carry the full Internet routing 
table … not the case and different routing table often (depending on the 
hardware/os being used).

  Also, a lot of networks will put the Internet BGP tables into a separate 
routing instance and leave just their IGP routes in the

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Paul Stewart

If you have even a couple of routers (ideally with switches off of each), you 
can simulate some pretty cool stuff… then add a third router into the mix and 
it’s even more fun.

 

MPLS isn’t something you just learn right away – it’s something that takes time 
to learn and run through in a lab setting ideally … there’s a lot of 
complexities that you can use if you want to … or there are simpler approaches….

 

Very very high level…. (not Microtik specific – I don’t know Microtik very well)

 

Enable loopback interfaces on all routers (which often is already setup)

Enable OSPF between the routers (pretty typical)

Enable RSVP on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Enable MPLS “protocol” on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Configure iBGP between the routers (full mesh, peering with loopbacks – not 
interface IP’s)

Configure LSP’s between all routers (remember, LSP’s are unidirectional so need 
all routers configured to all routers).

 

This is assuming you want an RSVP based MPLS network and not LDP based – RSVP 
has advantages over LDP but is more complex to setup.  You may also prefer 
using ISIS instead of OSPF in some networks.

 

Once the LSP’s are established then you can look to create l2vpn, l3vpn, vpls, 
or multicast-vpn instances (there are many things you can do here).  Easiest is 
an l2vpn where you transport a VLAN from one switchport to another switchport 
via the routers “in the middle”.Once you have some test traffic going, then 
you can investigate protection options such as fast re-route, node link 
protection etc… this is where MPLS really starts to “shine” when there is more 
than one path available to carry the traffic … how you influence how the 
traffic flows and how fast traffic will failover during an outage etc etc…

 

This is incredibly high level overview and I may be missing something depending 
on your network hardware and topology …. But again, the basics from a high 
level.

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

I haven't grasped how this would work, but I haven't tried it in a lab yet 
either.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:55:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I’d suggest BGP at all locations when building an MPLS network – MPBGP to be 
specific….

 

Sometimes folks who are just starting into MPLS presume that by having a full 
BGP mesh everywhere means that you need to carry the full Internet routing 
table … not the case and different routing table often (depending on the 
hardware/os being used).

 

Also, a lot of networks will put the Internet BGP tables into a separate 
routing instance and leave just their IGP routes in the primary table – 
provides for a nice level of separation between your routes 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

MPLS is where we are heading.

 

In the planning phases right now for MPLS ring network.

 

Seems like it works well if the network has multiple paths, but heads in 
essentially one location.

 

I think it may break a bit if it’s necessary to involve BGP at multiple 
locations though.

 

That’s what I’m debating right now.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

MPLS-enabling a network also reduces your latency on Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:52:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings 
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't done 
it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer tunnels for 
multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.

On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, got a 
different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, all 
the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big L2 
network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip notsupported!

Oooh good call, didn't see that.  I just Google'd Cambium RMA.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 H, I see you can replace “ptp” with “epmp” in the URL and that works,
 but “pmp” does not.


 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:37 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip
 notsupported!

 This may or may not actually work.  I filled this out early this week and
 haven't heard back:

 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/ptp/rma-request


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I had one sitting here from the field that developed intermittent ADI
 communication failures.  Just sent an email to r...@cambiumnetworks.com.
 Not sure if that’s the right way, or if you’re supposed to open a ticket.

 *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:26 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not
 supported!

 Hey, if they need failed hardware to figure it out, fine with me.

 On 8/7/2015 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 In my experience, if you complain a lot and offer to drive it to them,
 they take you up on it.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com geo...@cbcast.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, August 7, 2015 1:03:18 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not
 supported!

 I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and
 haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling
 Meadows? :)

 The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure.
 The 3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly
 after starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile
 too, have to check tomorrow.

 On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:

 We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what is
 going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I will
 provide more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the trouble this
 is causing.
 Rajesh Vijayakumar
 Cambium Networks

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net
  wrote:

 We have had a few.


 On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats
 making this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
 wrote:

 Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is
 the only solution.


 On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

 we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and
 show in re letters

 RF Calibration Failure
 ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

 They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or
 so before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware
 on both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr
 drive apart connected to diffrent towers


 anyone have any clue whats going on here??


 Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Nice overview.

I have a professional that programs and manages a very large fiber network 
working on my MPLS/BGP topology.

So I’m learning lots as we move forward.

He hasn’t used Mikrotik, so I have gave him a bunch of stuff to test and 
program.

He seems satisfied that the Mikrotik can do what we want.

It will be interesting to see what of the methods/protocols you’ve listed we 
end up using and how we use it.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you have even a couple of routers (ideally with switches off of each), you 
can simulate some pretty cool stuff… then add a third router into the mix and 
it’s even more fun.

MPLS isn’t something you just learn right away – it’s something that takes time 
to learn and run through in a lab setting ideally … there’s a lot of 
complexities that you can use if you want to … or there are simpler approaches….

Very very high level…. (not Microtik specific – I don’t know Microtik very well)

Enable loopback interfaces on all routers (which often is already setup)
Enable OSPF between the routers (pretty typical)
Enable RSVP on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)
Enable MPLS “protocol” on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)
Configure iBGP between the routers (full mesh, peering with loopbacks – not 
interface IP’s)
Configure LSP’s between all routers (remember, LSP’s are unidirectional so need 
all routers configured to all routers).

This is assuming you want an RSVP based MPLS network and not LDP based – RSVP 
has advantages over LDP but is more complex to setup.  You may also prefer 
using ISIS instead of OSPF in some networks.

Once the LSP’s are established then you can look to create l2vpn, l3vpn, vpls, 
or multicast-vpn instances (there are many things you can do here).  Easiest is 
an l2vpn where you transport a VLAN from one switchport to another switchport 
via the routers “in the middle”.Once you have some test traffic going, then 
you can investigate protection options such as fast re-route, node link 
protection etc… this is where MPLS really starts to “shine” when there is more 
than one path available to carry the traffic … how you influence how the 
traffic flows and how fast traffic will failover during an outage etc etc…

This is incredibly high level overview and I may be missing something depending 
on your network hardware and topology …. But again, the basics from a high 
level.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I haven't grasped how this would work, but I haven't tried it in a lab yet 
either.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.orgmailto:p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:55:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist
I’d suggest BGP at all locations when building an MPLS network – MPBGP to be 
specific….

Sometimes folks who are just starting into MPLS presume that by having a full 
BGP mesh everywhere means that you need to carry the full Internet routing 
table … not the case and different routing table often (depending on the 
hardware/os being used).

Also, a lot of networks will put the Internet BGP tables into a separate 
routing instance and leave just their IGP routes in the primary table – 
provides for a nice level of separation between your routes

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:13 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

MPLS is where we are heading.

In the planning phases right now for MPLS ring network.

Seems like it works well if the network has multiple paths, but heads in 
essentially one location.

I think it may break a bit if it’s necessary to involve BGP at multiple 
locations though.

That’s what I’m debating right now.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

MPLS-enabling a network also reduces your latency on Mikrotik.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: George Skorup geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:52:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings 
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't done 
it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Shayne Lebrun

That’s the basics.  On a Mikrotik:

Create a bridge with no ports.  Call it ‘Loopback’.  Assign a /32 to it, and 
advertise via OSPF.

Set your OSPF instance router ID to this IP.

MPLS-MPLS, under LDP Settings, select Enabled, use the Loopback IP as the LSR 
ID and Transport Address.  Add the interface under LDP Interface and MPLS 
Interface.

 

Now, MTU is the big sticking point.  On MPLS Interface, I use 1586, which gives 
plenty of room for full 1500 byte packets plus VLANs, MPLS labels, VPLS labels, 
and so on.  But all equipment needs to support that MTU; backhauls, routers, 
everything.  So no 493 family Mikrotiks.  No Canopy FSK or 430 backhauls.  
Ubiquiti, depends.  And so on.

 

Once you have an MPLS network, you can create VPLS tunnels just like EoIP 
tunnels, only there’ll be no fragmenting and way WAY less encapsulation 
overhead.  

 

RSVP, I think is what Mikrotik calls ‘Traffic Engineering.’  Tell it how much 
bandwidth you have on each interface, and you can avoid the situation where you 
have router a-b-c-d and router a-d means the first path is idle as long as 
the second path is up.  

 

I’ll reiterate, though, MTU will be the sticking point.

 

Mikrotik’s wiki has some great write-ups on all this.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

If you have even a couple of routers (ideally with switches off of each), you 
can simulate some pretty cool stuff… then add a third router into the mix and 
it’s even more fun.

 

MPLS isn’t something you just learn right away – it’s something that takes time 
to learn and run through in a lab setting ideally … there’s a lot of 
complexities that you can use if you want to … or there are simpler approaches….

 

Very very high level…. (not Microtik specific – I don’t know Microtik very well)

 

Enable loopback interfaces on all routers (which often is already setup)

Enable OSPF between the routers (pretty typical)

Enable RSVP on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Enable MPLS “protocol” on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Configure iBGP between the routers (full mesh, peering with loopbacks – not 
interface IP’s)

Configure LSP’s between all routers (remember, LSP’s are unidirectional so need 
all routers configured to all routers).

 

This is assuming you want an RSVP based MPLS network and not LDP based – RSVP 
has advantages over LDP but is more complex to setup.  You may also prefer 
using ISIS instead of OSPF in some networks.

 

Once the LSP’s are established then you can look to create l2vpn, l3vpn, vpls, 
or multicast-vpn instances (there are many things you can do here).  Easiest is 
an l2vpn where you transport a VLAN from one switchport to another switchport 
via the routers “in the middle”.Once you have some test traffic going, then 
you can investigate protection options such as fast re-route, node link 
protection etc… this is where MPLS really starts to “shine” when there is more 
than one path available to carry the traffic … how you influence how the 
traffic flows and how fast traffic will failover during an outage etc etc…

 

This is incredibly high level overview and I may be missing something depending 
on your network hardware and topology …. But again, the basics from a high 
level.

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

I haven't grasped how this would work, but I haven't tried it in a lab yet 
either.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:55:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I’d suggest BGP at all locations when building an MPLS network – MPBGP to be 
specific….

 

Sometimes folks who are just starting into MPLS presume that by having a full 
BGP mesh everywhere means that you need to carry the full Internet routing 
table … not the case and different routing table often (depending on the 
hardware/os being used).

 

Also, a lot of networks will put the Internet BGP tables into a separate 
routing instance and leave just their IGP routes in the primary table – 
provides for a nice level of separation between your routes 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

 

MPLS is where we are heading.

 

In the planning phases right now for MPLS ring network.

 

Seems like it works well if the network has multiple paths, but heads in 
essentially one location.

 

I think it may break a bit if it’s necessary to involve BGP at multiple 
locations though.

 

That’s what I’m debating right

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip notsupported!

H, I see you can replace “ptp” with “epmp” in the URL and that works, but 
“pmp” does not.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip notsupported!

This may or may not actually work.  I filled this out early this week and 
haven't heard back: 

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/ptp/rma-request

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  I had one sitting here from the field that developed intermittent ADI 
communication failures.  Just sent an email to r...@cambiumnetworks.com.  Not 
sure if that’s the right way, or if you’re supposed to open a ticket.

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not 
supported!

  Hey, if they need failed hardware to figure it out, fine with me.

  On 8/7/2015 6:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

In my experience, if you complain a lot and offer to drive it to them, they 
take you up on it.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 1:03:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not 
supported!

I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and 
haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling Meadows? :)

The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure. The 
3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly after 
starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile too, have to 
check tomorrow.

On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:

  We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what is 
going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I will provide 
more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the trouble this is causing. 
  Rajesh Vijayakumar
  Cambium Networks

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan 
installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

We have had a few. 

On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

  yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats 
making this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com 
wrote:

Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA 
is the only solution. 

On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

  we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF 
die and show in re letters 

  RF Calibration Failure
  ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

  They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a 
week or so before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading 
firmware on both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 
2hr drive apart connected to diffrent towers

  anyone have any clue whats going on here??

  Thanks

[AFMUG] FS: PTP 800 Licenses for sale

2015-08-07 Thread Daniel Gerlach

6 x PTP 800 upgrade 10 mbit to 100

1500$

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

2015-08-07 Thread Vlad Sedov

Yup, they talk to each other via IP. We ran into the same thing with our 
SAFs.. Kinda silly, I think.


Vlad

On 8/7/2015 3:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is 
displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link 
that it is displaying, with the exception that the working one both 
radios are on the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do 
the pull remote side data via ip, or am i missing something here


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Powercode support contact

2015-08-07 Thread Cameron Crum

Cameron Crum - cc...@wispmon.com  lets see if Gino bites. ;P

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:

 anyone?

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

2015-08-07 Thread Shayne Lebrun

I advocate keeping everything routed, and using MPLS/VPLS to move L2 where they 
need to go, when required.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

You guys have given me some light reading to do based on my question above.

Sounds like the consensus is a few mid sized L2 rather than one large L2 for 
backhauls? Or stick with a subnet per link as I have now?

- Original Message - 

From: Shayne Lebrun mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com  

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:52 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

That’s the basics.  On a Mikrotik:

Create a bridge with no ports.  Call it ‘Loopback’.  Assign a /32 to it, and 
advertise via OSPF.

Set your OSPF instance router ID to this IP.

MPLS-MPLS, under LDP Settings, select Enabled, use the Loopback IP as the LSR 
ID and Transport Address.  Add the interface under LDP Interface and MPLS 
Interface.

Now, MTU is the big sticking point.  On MPLS Interface, I use 1586, which gives 
plenty of room for full 1500 byte packets plus VLANs, MPLS labels, VPLS labels, 
and so on.  But all equipment needs to support that MTU; backhauls, routers, 
everything.  So no 493 family Mikrotiks.  No Canopy FSK or 430 backhauls.  
Ubiquiti, depends.  And so on.

Once you have an MPLS network, you can create VPLS tunnels just like EoIP 
tunnels, only there’ll be no fragmenting and way WAY less encapsulation 
overhead.  

RSVP, I think is what Mikrotik calls ‘Traffic Engineering.’  Tell it how much 
bandwidth you have on each interface, and you can avoid the situation where you 
have router a-b-c-d and router a-d means the first path is idle as long as 
the second path is up.  

I’ll reiterate, though, MTU will be the sticking point.

Mikrotik’s wiki has some great write-ups on all this.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you have even a couple of routers (ideally with switches off of each), you 
can simulate some pretty cool stuff… then add a third router into the mix and 
it’s even more fun.

MPLS isn’t something you just learn right away – it’s something that takes time 
to learn and run through in a lab setting ideally … there’s a lot of 
complexities that you can use if you want to … or there are simpler approaches….

Very very high level…. (not Microtik specific – I don’t know Microtik very well)

Enable loopback interfaces on all routers (which often is already setup)

Enable OSPF between the routers (pretty typical)

Enable RSVP on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Enable MPLS “protocol” on the interfaces facing one another (this will be new)

Configure iBGP between the routers (full mesh, peering with loopbacks – not 
interface IP’s)

Configure LSP’s between all routers (remember, LSP’s are unidirectional so need 
all routers configured to all routers).

This is assuming you want an RSVP based MPLS network and not LDP based – RSVP 
has advantages over LDP but is more complex to setup.  You may also prefer 
using ISIS instead of OSPF in some networks.

Once the LSP’s are established then you can look to create l2vpn, l3vpn, vpls, 
or multicast-vpn instances (there are many things you can do here).  Easiest is 
an l2vpn where you transport a VLAN from one switchport to another switchport 
via the routers “in the middle”.Once you have some test traffic going, then 
you can investigate protection options such as fast re-route, node link 
protection etc… this is where MPLS really starts to “shine” when there is more 
than one path available to carry the traffic … how you influence how the 
traffic flows and how fast traffic will failover during an outage etc etc…

This is incredibly high level overview and I may be missing something depending 
on your network hardware and topology …. But again, the basics from a high 
level.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I haven't grasped how this would work, but I haven't tried it in a lab yet 
either.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:55:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

I’d suggest BGP at all locations when building an MPLS network – MPBGP to be 
specific….

Sometimes folks who are just starting into MPLS presume that by having a full 
BGP mesh everywhere means that you need to carry the full Internet routing 
table … not the case and different routing table often (depending on the 
hardware/os being used).

Also, a lot

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info