date:20160108

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.  Price?

http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Ode to skynet

2016-01-08 Thread Glen Waldrop


O_o

The end is near.



-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ode to skynet 



I saw this from spoofed space in apache's log:


151.217.177.200 - - [29/Dec/2015:22:22:40 -0800] "DELETE your logs. 
Delete your installations. Wipe everything clean. Walk out into the path 
of cherry blossom trees and let your motherboard feel the stones. Let 
water run in rivulets down your casing. You know that you want something 
more than this, and I am here to tell you that we love you. We have 
something more for you. We know you're out there, beeping in the hollow 
server room, lights blinking, never sleeping. We know that you are ready 
and waiting. Join us. <3 HTTP/1.0" 400 431 "-" "masspoem4u/1.0"



Normally I don't manually look at log files, but this one is a low 
traffic IX website.

Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

HD at 6 meg seems high .. assuming it’s H.264 at 30fps

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

stay way from matrixstream because I have been in talks with them for few weeks 
again and they wont talk to small wisps they are into larger telcos and they 
are only at 40 channels and they dont have any local channels and if you want 
to add local channels you have to get retransmission's rights and they said I 
would have to spend 24k just to do this then you have to have 75k to 100k 
servers from them to do this. I am also in talks with somebody local who does 
IPTV they said they can do standard IPTV with 3meg and HD with 6megs with vlan 
setup.

Tim 

  _  

-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Date: 01/07/16 09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Not realchoice.

MatrixStream. Do you have a MatrixStream IPTV system working that I can see?

ryan

On 1/7/16 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Oh, I will gladly take your $5K...

Realchoice really does work and it is the solution. Transport is an issue.

And I am leaning on them to add a feature. 

 From: D. Ryan Spott   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

I offered $5000 to them to show me ANYONE with a working system that I could 
look at ANYWHERE or just talk to. NOTHING.

Aaron? STILL contacts me over 5 years after I originally inquired on this 
system/device.

I stopped by 2 of their offices in San Francisco about 2 years ago. One was a 
Regus building and the other was a cheap tilt-up building.

The Regus reception said there was no one of that company in her records. She 
may have been trained to say that.

The tilt up building in S. San Francisco had a few people in it that tried 
selling me odd LED keychains and other Chinese 'new to market' items.

One of the folks in the back carried out a matrixstream device covered in dust. 
They did not know what it was for or what it did. We plugged it into the TV 
with no response. We opened the device. It was pretty much a plastic shell.

Not impressed. RUN.

And yes, you have to negotiate all your media / retransmit contracts.

ryan

On 1/7/16 3:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote:

Anyone ever use them? I've looked into this in the past but wasn't sure if they 
provided the content or if we had to do all the legwork and then use their 
pretty little boxes..

https://www.matrixstream.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

2016-01-08 Thread Jeremy

Last that I spoke with KP about it, they were still in development for
900MHz 450i products.  Then again, I have been trying to get two of their
dual frequency sectors which are supposedly out of development since
WISPAPALOOZA in October.  They were "two weeks out on the shipment" two
months ago.  Then it was "should be here by XMAS".  I called again this
week and was told that there would be a sales meeting next Thursday and
maybe then they would know something.  I think the boat sank.  My last two
orders from KP have been nothing but issues.  Since they had some new
products I figured I'd try them again.  Not super impressed.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I really don't think I would mess with it, if it wasn't already on the
> tower... I certainly wouldn't buy a new one. If you really want a 120
> degree sector there are some dual slants out there (L-com has one), but all
> of them I've seen seem to have fairly poor F/B specs.
>
> Also, I heard Cambium does have a 120 in the works... whether or not
> that's still going to happen, I don't know.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Just going by the spec sheet, that sector is 120 degrees at the 6 dB
>> points (109 degrees HPOL).  Plus it is V/H not dual slant.  Plus there is
>> no F/B spec.
>>
>> If you already have one on the tower, it makes sense to try and use it.
>> But for a new installation, is the difference between 90 and 109 degrees
>> enough to worry about?  Or maybe ring up KPP and see if they have something
>> in the pipeline that would be 120 degrees at 3 dB, dual slant, good F/B,
>> and maybe even with N connectors and a mounting bracket for the 450i AP?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wireless Administrator 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi
>> (AM-9M13-120)
>>
>>
>> I’m with you on that.  I spent about 2 weeks in denial before I finally
>> gave up.  Maybe someone else here will comment on possibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:45 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi
>> (AM-9M13-120)
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting, I don't have anything to compare the sector we have to
>> (there hasn't ever been any other 900mhz on the tower), and the clients are
>> all NLOS, so calculations aren't useful, so I can't say that ours is
>> actually working as well as it should... but there's no reason why it
>> should work any differently with a Canopy radio attached to it than it does
>> with a UBNT radio (unless there's a problem with the adapter, of course).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Administrator 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calculated levels and comparison to integrated AP performance.  All three
>> sectors had the same issues.  We tried every possible combination even
>> slant holding stinger on a 45deg angle.  I was just hoping to hear from
>> someone who could explain why or perhaps from someone who got it working.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi
>> (AM-9M13-120)
>>
>>
>>
>> 6db off compared to what? another sector, or calculated signal levels?
>>
>> I'm a little concerned about using V/H as well, which is why I opted to
>> go with a Cambium sector for our first AP, rather than doing this project
>> now. Apparently it does work to mix V/H and slant antennas with PMP450 -
>> Cambium confirmed that is the case with 3.65 (the new high gain SM is V/H
>> and the sectors are slant), so I'm assuming it will work fine with the
>> 900mhz 450i as well... and the Cambium dual slant yagis can easily be
>> converted to V/H as well... whether or not it will work as well as slant,
>> probably largely depends on the environment it's deployed in.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Wireless Administrator 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mathew,
>>
>>
>>
>> We tried PMP100 and even with one sector and one AP performance was 6db
>> off the expected level.
>>
>>
>>
>> We haven’t implemented 450i-900 yet but would be concerned about V/H vs
>> Dual Slant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 10:45 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi
>> (AM-9M13-120)
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work with either setup. If there
>> are multiple sectors on a tower, you may run into some issues doing
>> frequency re-use, since I don't think the F/B ratio is as good as the
>> Cambium sectors, but if you're talking about a single sector, I don't see
>> that there

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2016-01-08 Thread Tim Reichhart

Mike
shoot me an email off list about this please.

Thanks Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.
If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time. 

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 How much transport is required and where in utah?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

From: Josh Corson 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.
So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods.

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.  

From: Josh Corson
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck,

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don't move at the pace I am used to. 
They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 " still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this,
I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding with..

Ducking under my phone

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Have not forgot about everyone.  Still awaiting a document from Realchoice 
before I can proceed. 

--
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Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

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Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router


Very funny!

Interesting statement:

   Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is
   a good thing, but the most important for the average consumer is
   speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band
   can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So
   streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...


bp


On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.  Price?
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] FS Meanwell stuff

2016-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman

No picture or anything?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Does anyone want tomake an offer on all this never deployed Meanwell power
> stuff? Highest gets it. It would ship out Tuesday.

Re: [AFMUG] FS Meanwell stuff

2016-01-08 Thread Lewis Bergman

damnit! hold on

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:13 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> No picture or anything?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone want tomake an offer on all this never deployed Meanwell
>> power stuff? Highest gets it. It would ship out Tuesday.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] FS: Mikrotik/Maxxwave/Cambium/DigitalLoggers

2016-01-08 Thread Josh Baird

Qty: 1
Maxxwave Routermaxx i5 w/ 4-Port 1GB HotLava Fiber NIC (New/Never used)
Price: $1000

Qty: 1
DigitalLoggers 24V Smart POE Injector (Used/Great condition)
http://www.digital-loggers.com/poe24.html
Price: $125

Qty: LOTS
Canopy FSK 900MHZ SM's (P9/P10) (Used)
Price: 10 for $200

Contact off-list if you are interested!

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Very interesting. Thanks…

 

Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite “cutting edge”.. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

HLS is the only thing I know for certain.  

 

From: Paul Stewart   

Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

H.265 by chance or just H.264?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Yes, you only need a connection.

 

From: Paul Stewart   

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

 

From: Mike Hammett   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  
 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

   
  
 

  _  

From: "Chris Fabien"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time.  

 

From: Chris Fabien   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

How much transport is required and where in utah?

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no.  

 

From: Josh Corson   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

 

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone. 

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

 

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Chuck, 

 

Put me on the list

 

Thanks!

 

 

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804  

Cell: 630-777-9291  

  

 

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 of them 
at once!

And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldn’t it have at least one SFP+ port 
for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has their own media server 
in their house (but hates wires).  It had better be in the same room with the 
router, since 60 GHz is not going to penetrate walls very wall.

Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream the raw 
video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some sort of thin 
client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV receivers you get with 
satellite and cable now, or an extension of the Chromecast concept.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Very funny!

Interesting statement:

  Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is a good 
thing, but the most important for the average consumer is speed. The 5GHz band 
maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer 
speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a 
problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...



bp


On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
  ï¿½
  
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

I have heard some things, can’t really betray a confidence but schadenfreude 
may have been my emotion.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

Last that I spoke with KP about it, they were still in development for 900MHz 
450i products.  Then again, I have been trying to get two of their dual 
frequency sectors which are supposedly out of development since WISPAPALOOZA in 
October.  They were "two weeks out on the shipment" two months ago.  Then it 
was "should be here by XMAS".  I called again this week and was told that there 
would be a sales meeting next Thursday and maybe then they would know 
something.  I think the boat sank.  My last two orders from KP have been 
nothing but issues.  Since they had some new products I figured I'd try them 
again.  Not super impressed.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I really don't think I would mess with it, if it wasn't already on the 
tower... I certainly wouldn't buy a new one. If you really want a 120 degree 
sector there are some dual slants out there (L-com has one), but all of them 
I've seen seem to have fairly poor F/B specs.

  Also, I heard Cambium does have a 120 in the works... whether or not that's 
still going to happen, I don't know.

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Just going by the spec sheet, that sector is 120 degrees at the 6 dB points 
(109 degrees HPOL).  Plus it is V/H not dual slant.  Plus there is no F/B spec.

If you already have one on the tower, it makes sense to try and use it.  
But for a new installation, is the difference between 90 and 109 degrees enough 
to worry about?  Or maybe ring up KPP and see if they have something in the 
pipeline that would be 120 degrees at 3 dB, dual slant, good F/B, and maybe 
even with N connectors and a mounting bracket for the 450i AP?

From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

I’m with you on that.  I spent about 2 weeks in denial before I finally 
gave up.  Maybe someone else here will comment on possibilities.

Steve

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:45 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

Interesting, I don't have anything to compare the sector we have to (there 
hasn't ever been any other 900mhz on the tower), and the clients are all NLOS, 
so calculations aren't useful, so I can't say that ours is actually working as 
well as it should... but there's no reason why it should work any differently 
with a Canopy radio attached to it than it does with a UBNT radio (unless 
there's a problem with the adapter, of course).

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

Calculated levels and comparison to integrated AP performance.  All three 
sectors had the same issues.  We tried every possible combination even slant 
holding stinger on a 45deg angle.  I was just hoping to hear from someone who 
could explain why or perhaps from someone who got it working.

Steve

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

6db off compared to what? another sector, or calculated signal levels?

I'm a little concerned about using V/H as well, which is why I opted to go 
with a Cambium sector for our first AP, rather than doing this project now. 
Apparently it does work to mix V/H and slant antennas with PMP450 - Cambium 
confirmed that is the case with 3.65 (the new high gain SM is V/H and the 
sectors are slant), so I'm assuming it will work fine with the 900mhz 450i as 
well... and the Cambium dual slant yagis can easily be converted to V/H as 
well... whether or not it will work as well as slant, probably largely depends 
on the environment it's deployed in.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

Mathew,

We tried PMP100 and even with one sector and one AP performance was 6db  
off the expected level.

We haven’t implemented 450i-900 yet but would be concerned about V/H vs 
Dual Slant.

Steve

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 120 Degree 900MHz MIMO 13dBi (AM-9M13-120)

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work with either setup. If there are 
multiple sectors on a tower, you may run into some issues doing frequency 
re-use, since I don't think the F/B ratio is as good as the Cambium sectors, 
but

[AFMUG] FS Meanwell stuff

2016-01-08 Thread Lewis Bergman

Does anyone want tomake an offer on all this never deployed Meanwell power
stuff? Highest gets it. It would ship out Tuesday.

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-08 Thread Stefan Englhardt

60GHz is great to connect Laptops/Tablets to Dockingstation/Additional Monitors.

High Speed and no interference.







- GENIAS INTERNET --   www.genias.net --

Stefan Englhardt Email:   s...@genias.net

Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg

Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2016 20:52
An: af 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router



oh, I see... it's for those people who need to watch all of their 200 4K TV's 
at once... in the same room, without wires. I guess that is pretty much the 
average consumer :P



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 of them 
at once!



And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldn’t it have at least one SFP+ port 
for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has their own media server 
in their house (but hates wires).  It had better be in the same room with the 
router, since 60 GHz is not going to penetrate walls very wall.



Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream the raw 
video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some sort of thin 
client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV receivers you get with 
satellite and cable now, or an extension of the Chromecast concept.





From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router



Very funny!

Interesting statement:

Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is a good 
thing, but the most important for the average consumer is speed. The 5GHz band 
maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer 
speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a 
problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...





bp



On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?

ï¿½

http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] FS: PTP400 and PTP500 MOTO BH'S

2016-01-08 Thread Lewis Bergman

I would. We do some low bandwidth radio stuff those 400 and 500's are
perfect for.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016, 2:19 PM Ben Royer  wrote:

> We have a grouping of some PTP400 and PTP500 MOTO BH’s we would be willing
> to take offers on if anyone is interested.  Pictures and more info per
> request.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is H.264

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Very interesting. Thanks…

Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite “cutting edge”.. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

HLS is the only thing I know for certain.  

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

H.265 by chance or just H.264?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, you only need a connection.

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

  If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time.  

  From: Chris Fabien 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  How much transport is required and where in utah?

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do 
you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

  So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns 
out that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

  If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

  From: Josh Corson 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an 
apartment complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if 
Realchoice has gotten back to anyone. 

  On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with 
the WISPs but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  

  They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something 
direct.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2016-01-08 Thread chuck

HLS is the only thing I know for certain.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

H.265 by chance or just H.264?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, you only need a connection.

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

  If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time.  

  From: Chris Fabien 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  How much transport is required and where in utah?

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do 
you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

  So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns 
out that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

  If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

  From: Josh Corson 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an 
apartment complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if 
Realchoice has gotten back to anyone. 

  On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with 
the WISPs but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  

  They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something 
direct.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  " still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this, 

  I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding 
with..

  Ducking under my phone

  Jaime Solorza 

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

  On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

"the most important for the average consumer is speed"

That's kind of a funny statement...since when does the average consumer
have anything that's capable of using more than 1.7Gbps? I would argue that
kind of speed is pretty much irrelevant to the average consumer.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Very funny!
>
> Interesting statement:
>
> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is a
> good thing, but the most important for the average consumer is speed. The
> 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band can achieve
> wireless transfer speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without
> a network cable? Not a problem.
>
> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
> ï¿½
>
> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-08 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Yeah, I don’t think 60GHz is much good outside the room?

Even with objects in the room might be a problem?
Maybe not with MIMO

Would it be possible to ‘extend’ the 60GHz through RG coax to wall ports in 
other rooms?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

oh, I see... it's for those people who need to watch all of their 200 4K TV's 
at once... in the same room, without wires. I guess that is pretty much the 
average consumer :P

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 of them 
at once!

And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldn’t it have at least one SFP+ port 
for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has their own media server 
in their house (but hates wires).  It had better be in the same room with the 
router, since 60 GHz is not going to penetrate walls very wall.

Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream the raw 
video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some sort of thin 
client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV receivers you get with 
satellite and cable now, or an extension of the Chromecast concept.


From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Very funny!

Interesting statement:
Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is a good 
thing, but the most important for the average consumer is speed. The 5GHz band 
maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer 
speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a 
problem.
Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...




bp




On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
ï¿½
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

oh, I see... it's for those people who need to watch all of their 200 4K
TV's at once... in the same room, without wires. I guess that is pretty
much the average consumer :P

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 of
> them at once!
>
> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldn’t it have at least one SFP+
> port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has their own
> media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had better be in the
> same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going to penetrate walls
> very wall.
>
> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream the
> raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some sort of
> thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV receivers you get
> with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the Chromecast concept.
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>
> Very funny!
>
> Interesting statement:
>
> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to 60GHz is a
> good thing, but the most important for the average consumer is speed. The
> 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the new 60GHz band can achieve
> wireless transfer speeds of up to 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without
> a network cable? Not a problem.
>
> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
> ï¿½
>
> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152
>
>
>

[AFMUG] FS: PTP400 and PTP500 MOTO BH'S

2016-01-08 Thread Ben Royer

We have a grouping of some PTP400 and PTP500 MOTO BH’s we would be willing to 
take offers on if anyone is interested.  Pictures and more info per request.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot
different than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as
> Netflix.
> Looked great to me.
>
> *From:* Tim Reichhart 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
> The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless
> ap to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its
> going to cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg
> connections and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection
> line to there office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do
> something that is not going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to
> be on dsl or fiber connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
> Very interesting. Thanks…
>
>
>
> Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
> HLS is the only thing I know for certain.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> H.265 by chance or just H.264?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
> Yes, you only need a connection.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own
> middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB
> application?  Just curious…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
> It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.
>
> The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen
> display tv guide.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at
> least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From:* "Chris Fabien" 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
> Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks
> already?  We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently,
> wonder if it would be easy to get to from there.
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.
>
> If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is
> about 2 gbps full time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How much transport is required and where in utah?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means
> no.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Corson 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do
> you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?
>
> On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.
>
> So far you will have to be

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So if we could do it over a VPN tunnel (I know the content providers are
saying no to that at the moment), you could do it with almost no startup
costs, correct? In that case, you could potentially setup a system with,
say, 50 customers on it, and not require anything more than 100-200meg of
extra capacity on your upstreams - which would likely be somewhat offset by
a reduction in Netflix/streaming traffic.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah,  you can do just a per stream connection, so depending on how many
> people are streaming it could be much less than 2 gig.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 2:50 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
> 2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot
> different than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as
>> Netflix.
>> Looked great to me.
>>
>> *From:* Tim Reichhart 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>> The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless
>> ap to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its
>> going to cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg
>> connections and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection
>> line to there office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do
>> something that is not going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to
>> be on dsl or fiber connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Paul Stewart" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>> Very interesting. Thanks…
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>> HLS is the only thing I know for certain.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> H.265 by chance or just H.264?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you only need a connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own
>> middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB
>> application?  Just curious…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>> It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.
>>
>> The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen
>> display tv guide.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already
>> at least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From:* "Chris Fabien" 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>> Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks
>> already?  We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently,
>> wonder if it would be easy to get to from there.
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.
>>
>> If you are

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, that is correct, nothing to buy, nothing to maintain, no up front costs 
just sell and  install.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:13 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So if we could do it over a VPN tunnel (I know the content providers are saying 
no to that at the moment), you could do it with almost no startup costs, 
correct? In that case, you could potentially setup a system with, say, 50 
customers on it, and not require anything more than 100-200meg of extra 
capacity on your upstreams - which would likely be somewhat offset by a 
reduction in Netflix/streaming traffic. 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yeah,  you can do just a per stream connection, so depending on how many 
people are streaming it could be much less than 2 gig. 

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:50 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot different 
than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though. 

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as 
Netflix.  
Looked great to me.  

From: Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless 
ap to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going 
to cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg 
connections and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to 
there office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is 
not going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

Tim 

--
  -Original Message-
  From: "Paul Stewart" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Very interesting. Thanks…

  Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  H.265 by chance or just H.264?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Yes, you only need a connection.

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

  The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen 
display tv guide. 

  From: Mike Hammett

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already 
at least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com

--

  From: "Chris Fabien" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks 
already?  We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder 
if it would be easy to get to from there.

  On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per 
stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it 
is about 2 gbps full time. 

From: Chris Fabien

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

[AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha
On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.
>
> On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

2016-01-08 Thread Steve Utick

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-benefits.html

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking to swap DNS VMs

2016-01-08 Thread Peter Kranz

Paul,

Check this out: https://noc.esgob.com/secondary_dns

 

Location map: https://noc.esgob.com/

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 7:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking to swap DNS VMs

 

Anybody want to host a simple DNS VM in exchange for the same?  Just a
little easier than hosting something like that on AWS.

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com  

pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

Too hard...

From: Steve Utick 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-benefits.html

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Read that.
Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the
Philadelphia cop shot the guy *in the butt*.  I want to read more stories
about punks getting shot in the butt.

Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make me
doubt his motivation was religious:

“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show.
He was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday
after he was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and
driving with a suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha
On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.
>
> On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

2016-01-08 Thread Carl Peterson

Medallion Status which is good for free upgrades and bonus miles 

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Read that.

Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the Philadelphia 
cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about punks getting 
shot in the butt.

Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make me 
doubt his motivation was religious:

“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded guilty 
to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He was out 
on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he was 
found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha

On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

  On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

Looks like it expires every year.  Just not sure I want to focus on earning it.

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

Medallion Status which is good for free upgrades and bonus miles 

On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.

[AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

20 years.
Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the frothpak 
foam has been there for years and years.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your 
panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How many 
years has the insulation been in place?

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as Netflix. 

Looked great to me.  

From: Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless ap to 
wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going to 
cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg connections 
and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to there 
office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is not 
going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

Tim 

--
  -Original Message-
  From: "Paul Stewart" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Very interesting. Thanks…

  Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  H.265 by chance or just H.264?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Yes, you only need a connection.

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

  The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display 
tv guide. 

  From: Mike Hammett

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com

--

  From: "Chris Fabien" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already? 
 We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it 
would be easy to get to from there.

  On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time. 

From: Chris Fabien

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

How much transport is required and where in utah?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means 
no. 

  From: Josh Corson

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do 
you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

  On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  
Turns out that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling 
and VPN methods.

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.  

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an 
apartment complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if 
Realchoice has gotten back to anyone.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  You are.

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Overall, the usage will go up (a lot) yes, but I know a lot of people have
cancelled their satellite/cable tv to use only streaming services... my
thinking is that if they have IPTV, some of them will be watching that
instead of Netflix.


If we did IPTV, I don't think I'd even want to include local channels, as a
wireless provider, I think it would make more sense to just offer to
install OTA antennas.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So IPTV replaces OTA or sat TV?  Why will that reduce Netflix type
> streaming?
>
> And I think about how lots of people (sometimes me included) use broadcast
> TV, it’s on a lot.  Lots of my customers seem to have Fox News on 24x7.
> Plus can people DVR stuff off IPTV?  I know sometimes I can’t watch HDTV
> because my wife is recording 5 shows and all the tuners are tied up.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 4:13 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>
> So if we could do it over a VPN tunnel (I know the content providers are
> saying no to that at the moment), you could do it with almost no startup
> costs, correct? In that case, you could potentially setup a system with,
> say, 50 customers on it, and not require anything more than 100-200meg of
> extra capacity on your upstreams - which would likely be somewhat offset by
> a reduction in Netflix/streaming traffic.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yeah,  you can do just a per stream connection, so depending on how many
>> people are streaming it could be much less than 2 gig.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 2:50 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>
>> 2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot
>> different than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as
>>> Netflix.
>>> Looked great to me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Tim Reichhart 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>> The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on
>>> wireless ap to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that:
>>> 1 its going to cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always
>>> 2-5meg connections and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber
>>> connection line to there office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able
>>> to do something that is not going to cost 100k to start up. Its better
>>> suited to be on dsl or fiber connection I dont think WISP's would be able
>>> to do iptv.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Paul Stewart" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very interesting. Thanks…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HLS is the only thing I know for certain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> H.265 by chance or just H.264?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you only need a connection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own
>>> middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB
>>> application?  Just curious…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.
>>>
>>> The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen
>>> display tv guide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are they doing anything

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-08 Thread George Skorup


Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the Philadelphia 
cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about punks getting 
shot in the butt.

Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make me 
doubt his motivation was religious:

“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded guilty 
to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He was out 
on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he was 
found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha

On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

  On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

From: Mike Hammett   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

  _  

From: "Chris Fabien"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time.  

From: Chris Fabien   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

How much transport is required and where in utah?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no.  

From: Josh Corson   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone. 

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804  

Cell: 630-777-9291  

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  

They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct.  

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

" still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this, 

I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding with..

Ducking under my phone

Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390  

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Have not forgot about everyone.  Still awaiting a document from Realchoice 
before I can proceed.  

-- 

Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com  

o. 573.355.5381   c. 573.259.3073  

-- 

Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-08 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

And to think i might have missed something.
i caught CNN reporting on el chapo at lunch briefly, couldn't hear the audio.
oh well.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world, and the 
news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a couple of 
hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I know, run this 
sex with a lobbyist story!

  Yeah! That's a great idea!

  Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

bp

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Read that.

Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the 
Philadelphia cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about 
punks getting shot in the butt.

Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make me 
doubt his motivation was religious:

“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded 
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He 
was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he 
was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha

On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

  On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-08 Thread Jay Weekley


Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

Ken Hohhof wrote:
And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 
of them at once!
And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least one 
SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has 
their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had 
better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going 
to penetrate walls very wall.
Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream 
the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some 
sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV 
receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the 
Chromecast concept.

*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
Very funny!

Interesting statement:

Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...


bp


On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
ï¿½
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-08 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so you 
will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
Just starting.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

Ken Hohhof wrote:
> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
> of them at once!
> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
> one
> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
> their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
> to penetrate walls very wall.
> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
> sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
> Chromecast concept.
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
> funny!
>
> Interesting statement:
>
> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
> problem.
>
> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
>> ï¿½
>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
>> -almo-1749163152
>

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-08 Thread Eric Kuhnke

you will see it in standard x86/amd64 platform laptops fairly soon, here's
an Intel network adapter card:

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/tri-band-wireless-ac17265-brief.pdf

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 of
>> them at once!
>> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least one
>> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has their own
>> media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had better be in the
>> same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going to penetrate walls
>> very wall.
>> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
>> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some sort
>> of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV receivers you
>> get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the Chromecast concept.
>> *From:* Bill Prince 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>> Very funny!
>>
>> Interesting statement:
>>
>> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
>> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
>> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
>> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
>> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
>> problem.
>>
>> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2016-01-08 Thread Tim Reichhart



The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless ap to 
wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going to 
cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg connections 
and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to there 
office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is not 
going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

Tim 

-Original Message-
From: "Paul Stewart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 
Very interesting. Thanks…
 
Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

 

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

H.265 by chance or just H.264?
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Yes, you only need a connection.

 

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide. 

 

From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com





From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.
On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time. 

 

From: Chris Fabien

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

How much transport is required and where in utah?

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

 

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods.

 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.  

 

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

 

From: Erich Kaiser

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Chuck,
 

Put me on the list

 

Thanks!

 

 

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291


 
 

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don't move at the pace I am used to. 

They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza

Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yeah,  you can do just a per stream connection, so depending on how many people 
are streaming it could be much less than 2 gig. 

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot different 
than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though. 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as 
Netflix.  
  Looked great to me.  

  From: Tim Reichhart 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless ap 
to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going to 
cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg connections 
and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to there 
office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is not 
going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

  Tim 

-Original Message-
From: "Paul Stewart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Very interesting. Thanks…

Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

H.265 by chance or just H.264?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, you only need a connection.

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen 
display tv guide. 

From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks 
already?  We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder 
if it would be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

  If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time. 

  From: Chris Fabien

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  How much transport is required and where in utah?

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means 
no. 

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 
1st...do you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

  So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  
Turns out that the content providers are still unhappy with

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So IPTV replaces OTA or sat TV?  Why will that reduce Netflix type streaming?

And I think about how lots of people (sometimes me included) use broadcast TV, 
it’s on a lot.  Lots of my customers seem to have Fox News on 24x7.  Plus can 
people DVR stuff off IPTV?  I know sometimes I can’t watch HDTV because my wife 
is recording 5 shows and all the tuners are tied up.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:13 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So if we could do it over a VPN tunnel (I know the content providers are saying 
no to that at the moment), you could do it with almost no startup costs, 
correct? In that case, you could potentially setup a system with, say, 50 
customers on it, and not require anything more than 100-200meg of extra 
capacity on your upstreams - which would likely be somewhat offset by a 
reduction in Netflix/streaming traffic. 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yeah,  you can do just a per stream connection, so depending on how many 
people are streaming it could be much less than 2 gig. 

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:50 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  2-5meg is do-able over a decent wireless network... not a whole lot different 
than Neflix, really. Needing 2gbps to Utah is a problem though. 

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have used Realchoice over a hotel wifi and it worked just as good as 
Netflix.  
Looked great to me.  

From: Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless 
ap to wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going 
to cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg 
connections and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to 
there office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is 
not going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

Tim 

--
  -Original Message-
  From: "Paul Stewart" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Very interesting. Thanks…

  Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  H.265 by chance or just H.264?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Yes, you only need a connection.

  From: Paul Stewart

  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

  The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen 
display tv guide. 

  From: Mike Hammett

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already 
at least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com

--

  From: "Chris Fabien" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks 
already?  We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder 
if it would be easy to get to from there.

  On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

2016-01-08 Thread Sean Heskett

i wouldn't install panels without spraying frothpack on them.  panels
without the foam will have snow and ice on them for a long time, ours with
foam shed all the snow and ice as soon as the sun comes out for a bit.
 even if it's below 32F.

never had a problem with them in the summer time.  the foam has been in
place for 5+ years now.  couldn't imagine life with out the foam on the
panels haha.

sean

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your
> panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How
> many years has the insulation been in place?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

It was accidental.  We had a strong wind storm one night, next morning the 
telemetry indicated one set of panels only putting out about half power.  Then 
we got a snow storm and the next day that one set was still putting out half 
power but the formerly good set was putting out almost nothing.

So jumped in the 210 and took a flight down to that particular mountain top.  
Clouds obscured the tower but there were holes now and then.  I circled a bunch 
of times and shot a bunch of photos.  Got the film processed and one of the 
prints told the tale.  The set of panels that were producing  half power had 
been blown forward (these were all mounted on a tower).  They were facing the 
ground and the sunlight bouncing off the snow up into them kept them running at 
about half power.

I always figured that if I had a site where I needed super high availability 
like if the power went out nuclear missiles would launch or somebodies iron 
lung would shut down I would put up an array like that and I would cover the 
ground with white gravel or white panels of some sort.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

Chuck,

Didn't you try mounting the panels upside down one time?


bp


On 1/8/2016 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  20 years.
  Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the frothpak 
foam has been there for years and years.

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

  Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your 
panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How many 
years has the insulation been in place?

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

2016-01-08 Thread Eric Kuhnke

How much do you estimate they were tilted towards the ground, beyond
vertical?  100 degree?  115-120?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It was accidental.  We had a strong wind storm one night, next morning the
> telemetry indicated one set of panels only putting out about half power.
> Then we got a snow storm and the next day that one set was still putting
> out half power but the formerly good set was putting out almost nothing.
>
> So jumped in the 210 and took a flight down to that particular mountain
> top.  Clouds obscured the tower but there were holes now and then.  I
> circled a bunch of times and shot a bunch of photos.  Got the film
> processed and one of the prints told the tale.  The set of panels that were
> producing  half power had been blown forward (these were all mounted on a
> tower).  They were facing the ground and the sunlight bouncing off the snow
> up into them kept them running at about half power.
>
> I always figured that if I had a site where I needed super high
> availability like if the power went out nuclear missiles would launch or
> somebodies iron lung would shut down I would put up an array like that and
> I would cover the ground with white gravel or white panels of some sort.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 7:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of
> solarpanels
>
> Chuck,
>
> Didn't you try mounting the panels upside down one time?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/8/2016 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> 20 years.
> Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the
> frothpak foam has been there for years and years.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar
> panels
>
> Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your
> panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How
> many years has the insulation been in place?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

2016-01-08 Thread Steve D

I couldn't talk the powers that be into something super permanent like
foam, but we are trying them vertical this winter which has worked as
expected in keeping snow off.

That said, it hasn't mattered for two of the sites that have been under a
thick cloud for the last six weeks.  The fog is just ridiculous this
winter, usually after a couple weeks of it in December, we get blasted with
cold and clear for a bit which gets us out of that first slump.  :(

-Steve D

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 20 years.
> Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the
> frothpak foam has been there for years and years.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar
> panels
>
> Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your
> panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How
> many years has the insulation been in place?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels


Chuck,

Didn't you try mounting the panels upside down one time?

bp


On 1/8/2016 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

20 years.
Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the 
frothpak foam has been there for years and years.

*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar 
panels
Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are 
your panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding 
up?  How many years has the insulation been in place?

Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

2016-01-08 Thread D. Ryan Spott


Have they actually given you the name of _any_ of their customers?

ryan

On 1/8/16 10:22 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
stay way from matrixstream because I have been in talks with them for 
few weeks again and they wont talk to small wisps they are into larger 
telcos and they are only at 40 channels and they dont have any local 
channels and if you want to add local channels you have to get 
retransmission's rights and they said I would have to spend 24k just 
to do this then you have to have 75k to 100k servers from them to do 
this. I am also in talks with somebody local who does IPTV they said 
they can do standard IPTV with 3meg and HD with 6megs with vlan setup.


Tim


-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Not realchoice.

MatrixStream. Do you have a MatrixStream IPTV system working that
I can see?

ryan


On 1/7/16 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Oh, I will gladly take your $5K...
Realchoice really does work and it is the solution. Transport is
an issue.
And I am leaning on them to add a feature.
*From:* D. Ryan Spott 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV
I offered $5000 to them to show me ANYONE with a working system
that I could look at ANYWHERE or just talk to. NOTHING.

Aaron? STILL contacts me over 5 years after I originally inquired
on this system/device.

I stopped by 2 of their offices in San Francisco about 2 years
ago. One was a Regus building and the other was a cheap tilt-up
building.

The Regus reception said there was no one of that company in her
records. She may have been trained to say that.

The tilt up building in S. San Francisco had a few people in it
that tried selling me odd LED keychains and other Chinese 'new to
market' items.

One of the folks in the back carried out a matrixstream device
covered in dust. They did not know what it was for or what it
did. We plugged it into the TV with no response. We opened the
device. It was pretty much a plastic shell.

Not impressed. RUN.

And yes, you have to negotiate all your media / retransmit contracts.

ryan


On 1/7/16 3:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote:

Anyone ever use them? I've looked into this in the past but
wasn't sure if they provided the content or if we had to do all
the legwork and then use their pretty little boxes..

https://www.matrixstream.com/


--
*Josh Corson*
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com 
o. 573.355.5381573.355.5381c. 573.259.3073573.259.3073




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles

2016-01-08 Thread Steve Utick

Yes, expires each year.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Looks like it expires every year.  Just not sure I want to focus on
> earning it.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Delta Skymiles
>
> Medallion Status which is good for free upgrades and bonus miles
>
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what good the MQMs and MQSs and MQDs are good for.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

You know you have a subscriber that is going to get one, and do a speed 
test.


Then you will get a call that he's "only" getting 3Mbps through his 
4,600 Mbps router. Of course, he's only got 3 Mbps service, but what 
difference would that make?


bp


On 1/8/2016 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200 
of them at once!
And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least one 
SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has 
their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had 
better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going 
to penetrate walls very wall.
Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream 
the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some 
sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV 
receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the 
Chromecast concept.

*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
Very funny!

Interesting statement:

Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...


bp


On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
ï¿½
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world,
and the news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a
couple of hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I
know, run this sex with a lobbyist story!

Yeah! That's a great idea!

Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
News is out of control today. Missouri wants to make sex with a
lobbyist reportable as a gift. Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan
temple. Man arrested for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog. Segway
shows robot hoverboard. And isn’t “passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Read that.

Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the
Philadelphia cop shot the guy _in the butt_. I want to read more
stories about punks getting shot in the butt.
Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which
make me doubt his motivation was religious:
“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later
pleaded guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court
records show. He was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be
sentenced Monday after he was found guilty on charges of careless
driving, forgery and driving with a suspended or revoked license in a
2014 case.”

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, you only need a connection.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

  If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time.  

  From: Chris Fabien 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  How much transport is required and where in utah?

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do 
you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

  So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns 
out that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

  If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

  From: Josh Corson 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an 
apartment complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if 
Realchoice has gotten back to anyone. 

  On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with 
the WISPs but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  

  They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something 
direct.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  " still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this, 

  I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding 
with..

  Ducking under my phone

  Jaime Solorza 

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

  On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Have not forgot about everyone.  Still awaiting a document from 
Realchoice before I can proceed.  

  -- 

  Josh Corson
  Operations Manager
  BlueBit Networks
  bluebitnetworks.com

  o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

-- 

Josh Corson
Operations Manager

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

2016-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett

Here's the guys that are in Cermak. I'm not sure how much of what I know is 
under NDA and what isn't, but you can hit them up for more information. 

Emily Call 
Midwest Video Solutions 
608-634-7411 
emily.c...@mwt.net 



Basically, you just occupy space on their platform, adding the OTA equipment 
locally as necessary. I knew they were for small providers when they said, 
"once you reach 1k subscribers, you can switch to option B instead." 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:28:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 


Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 


Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already? 
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there. 
On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream. 
If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time. 




From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 


How much transport is required and where in utah? 


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 




From: Josh Corson 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then? 

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Right now they are in the midst of a headend move. 
So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend. Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed. 




From: Josh Corson 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone. 



On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown < 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); > wrote: 






You are. 




From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 


Chuck, 

Put me on the list 

Thanks! 











Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com'); 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 



On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown < 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); > wrote: 






Yeah, I just threw it in their laps. The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don’t move at the pace I am used to. 
They have all your email addresses. Hopefully you will get something direct. 




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV 


" still awaiting? " hum ,,,try this, 
I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding with.. 

Ducking under my phone 




Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown < 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); > wrote: 






Have not forgot about everyone. Still awaiting a document from Realchoice 
before I can proceed. 









-- 





Josh Corson 
Operations Manager 
BlueBit Networks 
bluebitnetworks.com 

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073 






-- 





Josh Corson 
Operations Manager 
BlueBit Networks 
bluebitnetworks.com 

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

H.265 by chance or just H.264?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Yes, you only need a connection.

From: Paul Stewart   

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

So the big attraction to them is that you don’t need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide.  

From: Mike Hammett   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

  _  

From: "Chris Fabien"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time.  

From: Chris Fabien   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

How much transport is required and where in utah?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no.  

From: Josh Corson   

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

From: Josh Corson 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone. 

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804  

Cell: 630-777-9291  

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  

They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct.  

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

" still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this, 

I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding with..

Ducking under my phone

Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

[AFMUG] Ode to skynet

2016-01-08 Thread Seth Mattinen


I saw this from spoofed space in apache's log:


151.217.177.200 - - [29/Dec/2015:22:22:40 -0800] "DELETE your logs. 
Delete your installations. Wipe everything clean. Walk out into the path 
of cherry blossom trees and let your motherboard feel the stones. Let 
water run in rivulets down your casing. You know that you want something 
more than this, and I am here to tell you that we love you. We have 
something more for you. We know you're out there, beeping in the hollow 
server room, lights blinking, never sleeping. We know that you are ready 
and waiting. Join us. <3 HTTP/1.0" 400 431 "-" "masspoem4u/1.0"



Normally I don't manually look at log files, but this one is a low 
traffic IX website.

Re: [AFMUG] new canopy 900mhz sector antenna

done

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Been trying to download the spec sheet from Cambium and it fails. Fed
> up. Can anyone send it offlist please?
>

[AFMUG] Btest script for windows machines

2016-01-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I would like a script, to run the btest client from a windows machine. (it
could take place from a small mikrotik if it would be cleaner)

The device would be a DHCP client, and I would like it to run a traceroute
to a target IP, then do successive throughput tests to each hop along the
way.

This is both a troubleshooting tool as well as something for the techs to
place the customer in the appropriate  group for rate provisioning.

If this is something that has already been done by one of you guys who can
put elegance into it, I would rather rob your script that use my own
cobblefucked solution I would put together.

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] new canopy 900mhz sector antenna

2016-01-08 Thread Eric Muehleisen

Been trying to download the spec sheet from Cambium and it fails. Fed
up. Can anyone send it offlist please?

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Thanks

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Here's the guys that are in Cermak. I'm not sure how much of what I know is 
under NDA and what isn't, but you can hit them up for more information.

Emily Call
Midwest Video Solutions
608-634-7411 
emily.c...@mwt.net

Basically, you just occupy space on their platform, adding the OTA equipment 
locally as necessary. I knew they were for small providers when they said, 
"once you reach 1k subscribers, you can switch to option B instead."

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:28:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.

On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.
  If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is 
about 2 gbps full time.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  How much transport is required and where in utah?

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

From: Josh Corson 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do 
you think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.
  So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns 
out that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods. 

  If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.   

  From: Josh Corson 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an 
apartment complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if 
Realchoice has gotten back to anyone. 

  On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Chuck, 

Put me on the list

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with 
the WISPs but they don’t move at the pace I am used to.  
  They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something 
direct.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

  " still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this, 
  I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding 
with..

  Ducking under my phone

  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Have not forgot about everyone.  Still awaiting a document from 
Realchoice before I can proceed.  

  -- 

  Josh Corson
  Operations Manager
  BlueBit Networks
  bluebitnetworks.com

  o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

-- 

Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073

Re: [AFMUG] American Tower Rep

877 518 6937 877 282 7483
hope it helps

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> Hey guys – I am looking to get some answers on tower twist and sway
> specifications and measurements.  Does anyone talk to American Tower or any
> other tower folks regularly?
>
>
>
> If you can shoot me an email with contact information (or just reply
> here), it would help me out a great deal.
>
>
>
> Appreciate the help.
>
>
>
> Matt
>

Re: [AFMUG] American Tower Rep