[AFMUG] PTP450

[Matt]

Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working etc?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Bill Prince]

had some up for over a year. Work real well.

bp


On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:

Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working etc?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 cert Class in San Jose.

[Chuck Hogg]

Hi Sam:

Gerard and I initially trained Josh Kwok with MikroTik back in 2008.  When
we quit training, he was our highest scoring student, and he missed half
the class.  It's being taught by a very smart guy that understands our
industry.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Has anyone been taught by the Streakwave guys? Is the class worth it? I've
> got family in San Jose so place to stay is covered.
>
> Sam
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Peter Kranz]

Well that certainly blows..

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Sterling Jacobson]

I'm all bent out of shape over that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Matt]

Are you using GPS to colocate multiple units?  Any re-reg issues?
Have never been too happy with the PTP230 and looking at replacing a
number of them with PTP450 now since it is a pretty easy swap.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> had some up for over a year. Work real well.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working etc?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 cert Class in San Jose.

[Sam Lambie]

Excellent! Thanks


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Hi Sam:
>
> Gerard and I initially trained Josh Kwok with MikroTik back in 2008.  When
> we quit training, he was our highest scoring student, and he missed half
> the class.  It's being taught by a very smart guy that understands our
> industry.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone been taught by the Streakwave guys? Is the class worth it?
>> I've got family in San Jose so place to stay is covered.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Bill Prince]

ouch.

Under estimating wind load, or over estimating tower strength, or both.

That tower could have used some Viagra!

bp


On 1/19/2016 2:02 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[SmarterBroadband]

Man, that is a lot of gear for no guy wires.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Sam Lambie]

happy as a clam with 4 links up now. All on GPS over power with about 95
mbps aggregate on each.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Are you using GPS to colocate multiple units?  Any re-reg issues?
> Have never been too happy with the PTP230 and looking at replacing a
> number of them with PTP450 now since it is a pretty easy swap.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> > had some up for over a year. Work real well.
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >
> > On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:
> >>
> >> Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working
> etc?
> >
> >
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Adam Moffett]

+1
way overloaded

On 1/19/2016 5:08 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

ouch.

Under estimating wind load, or over estimating tower strength, or both.

That tower could have used some Viagra!

bp


On 1/19/2016 2:02 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Bill Prince]

Yes. Co-located with a pair of PMP450 APs. All are GPS synced, and they 
play well together.


The site only has 170° view of the sky, so we lose "enough" satellites 
now and then.


bp


On 1/19/2016 2:05 PM, Matt wrote:

Are you using GPS to colocate multiple units?  Any re-reg issues?
Have never been too happy with the PTP230 and looking at replacing a
number of them with PTP450 now since it is a pretty easy swap.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

had some up for over a year. Work real well.

bp



On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:

Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working etc?

Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

[Sterling Jacobson]

It was their problem.

Their Brocade wasn’t doing 32 bit ASN, and they found a work around.
So now it works.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

Ok, I think this might be their problem.

They are back in office tomorrow so I’ll see if I can get their config instead 
of status page.

I’ll do a BGP print from my mikrotik as well tomorrow to make sure.

Dennis from LinkTechs is doing my config, so I’m sure it will be configured 
correctly once we get past stage one, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

32 bit BGP AS works fine between Mikrotik and Brocade MLXe.  They have a config 
issue.  Have them send you running-config pertaining to your session. Also post 
your config.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
[https://docs.google.com/a/northcentraltower.com/uc?id=0B12mNmVrr3-PbU1UMFk0OUFhOGs&export=download]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
post your bgp config pls.

Also, why are they using next hop self  = yes.

and based on what you posted on the MT Forum (it is not the config, more of a 
status ..) would indicate that Their side is complaining about your ASN.

:)




Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:53:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?
This is what I see.

I posted their config in this mikrotik post here:

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=103924

I appreciate your help.

It’s got to be something simple on their end or my end.

I have nearly the same config set up on another 1072 to another peer and it 
enteres the accept state with the same ASN.
So I’m still leaning towards it being their Brocade.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?


Enable BGP logging in Mikrotik, this should give you better detail. Make sure 
the info you get back in the log is correct (that they have your AS set right), 
and double check your config.
On Jan 16, 2016 7:19 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I'm running one of those new fancy routerboard CCR 1072 routers on RouterOS 
6.33.1.

If I use my 32 bit BGP AS number the remote says Bad Remote AS.
If I fake one around 65010 then it establishes a connection.

Is this my problem or theirs?

They are using Brocade MLXe code 5.8.

Anyone else established a succesfull BGP with 32 bit AS number on routeros?

Just want to try and narrow this down before I blame their Brocade for being 
complete junk, hahaha!

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Matt]

> happy as a clam with 4 links up now. All on GPS over power with about 95
> mbps aggregate on each.

I was thinking the PTP450 did not support sync over power.  We use a
parasitic sync pipe on ours.  The 48 volt PTP450i do support sync over
power but I have not deployed any of them yet.

>>
>> Are you using GPS to colocate multiple units?  Any re-reg issues?
>> Have never been too happy with the PTP230 and looking at replacing a
>> number of them with PTP450 now since it is a pretty easy swap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> > had some up for over a year. Work real well.
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working
>> >> etc?
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Barry Sherwood]

Duct tape.

Barry Sherwood
Great Basin and Sunset Net Internet Services
888-477-7299, x204


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

How's your day going?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Bill Prince]

Correct. Timing port only AFAIK.

bp


On 1/19/2016 2:21 PM, Matt wrote:

I was thinking the PTP450 did not support sync over power.  We use a
parasitic sync pipe on ours.  The 48 volt PTP450i do support sync over
power but I have not deployed any of them yet.

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you still have half a good tower, just build on that

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Barry Sherwood 
wrote:

> Duct tape.
>
> Barry Sherwood
> Great Basin and Sunset Net Internet Services
> 888-477-7299, x204
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner
>
> How's your day going?
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] dead customer email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email
address?

we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email
still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect
we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be
offered access to it in the event there are pictures or anything with,
whats that word, emotional attachment?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Bill Prince]

It's actually a gray area, and dependent on the state, and the 
company(ies) involved.


You can make a good argument both ways, but it's probably something that 
should have a policy.


bp


On 1/19/2016 2:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers 
email address?


we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email 
still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a 
disconnect we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the 
family be offered access to it in the event there are pictures or 
anything with, whats that word, emotional attachment?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Craig Schmaderer]

Each one of those olt goes into a 1x32 splitter at the pon cabinet in the 
field.  You can do other kinds of splits if you want, I pretty sure the new 
firmware for calix gpon will do 64 I think.  A fully filled 32 sub gpon runs 
about $400 in electronics per sub, this is all the way from the co to the 
indoor house ont with ac wifi and 2 pots ports.  3 years ago that number was 
more like $700..  So it really isn't too bad.  The expensive part is putting 
the fiber in the ground.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

So in essence, each of the top 4 strands could represent 32 subs? Or do you 
have multiple levels of split under that?
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Jan 19, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Here is one of my GPON blades.  We started years ago active, that is the bottom 
unit.  All of our equipment for this town of 5000 is at the CO.  I can patch 
businesses into the active if I need to, which really we never do need to.  We 
fill out our GPON to 32 subs.  With 100mb plan, I usually never see a gpon olt 
go much over 50mb at peak hours.





Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

I like it, much cleaner than my active cabinet config in the field.
And investigating using GPON and moving some of my stuff to GPON in the near 
future.

This is 25U of cabinet space that services 576 customers.
But switches take a good chunk of the 20amp and the AC unit to maintain temp is 
about 500W itself.
Lots of power and heat to bring the internet closer to the neighborhood.
I can get a full non-blocking 10GE per house if I like, and backhaul with up to 
160Gbps per 48 port switch, but do I really need that?

Probably not.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

That's some sexy fiber porn right there.
On 1/19/2016 7:54 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:


Here is one of my clearfield cabinets that feeds about 300 homes.  You can see 
the splitter on the bottom.  We feed all our caninets with 24 strands. We can 
patch in active customers back to the co if we need to.


Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:02 AM -0800, "Gino Villarini" 
mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Jaime Solorza]

you are so touching!!!  I had a tear in my eye...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email
> address?
>
> we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email
> still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect
> we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be
> offered access to it in the event there are pictures or anything with,
> whats that word, emotional attachment?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Jaime Solorza]

I do not like those towers at all.sorry for your bad daynow if only
Uri Geller was around your area..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you still have half a good tower, just build on that
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Barry Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Duct tape.
>>
>> Barry Sherwood
>> Great Basin and Sunset Net Internet Services
>> 888-477-7299, x204
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner
>>
>> How's your day going?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Chuck McCown]

I have to smirk at the liberal Hollywood elite being called racist because of 
the Oscars.  
I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...  and how 
will they ever atone for this sin?

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[can...@believewireless.net]

Hadn't thought of it that way but so true!

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have to smirk at the liberal Hollywood elite being called racist because
> of the Oscars.
> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...
> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
>

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

[Chuck McCown]

Perhaps he can do it over the phone?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner

I do not like those towers at all.sorry for your bad daynow if only Uri 
Geller was around your area..

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  you still have half a good tower, just build on that

  On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Barry Sherwood  wrote:

Duct tape.

Barry Sherwood
Great Basin and Sunset Net Internet Services
888-477-7299, x204


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be late for dinner


How's your day going?







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Bill Prince]

On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...

Ummm None?


and how will they ever atone for this sin?

They won't?


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Jaime Solorza]

Hollywood swinging Hollywood swinging

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:17 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Hadn't thought of it that way but so true!
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I have to smirk at the liberal Hollywood elite being called racist
>> because of the Oscars.
>> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...
>> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Chuck McCown]

Remember the TV show Maude?

Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the front 
door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the back door 
was much closer to the car?


That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be exploding 
right now.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive


On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...

Ummm None?


and how will they ever atone for this sin?

They won't?


bp

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Jay Weekley]

I would talk to an attorney.  You may need a copy of her Power of Attorney.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers 
email address?


we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email 
still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a 
disconnect we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the 
family be offered access to it in the event there are pictures or 
anything with, whats that word, emotional attachment?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[George Skorup]

All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my 
favorite actor.


On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Remember the TV show Maude?

Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the 
front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the 
back door was much closer to the car?


That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be 
exploding right now.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive


On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...

Ummm None?


and how will they ever atone for this sin?

They won't?


bp

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[George Skorup]

Important note on this thing. If you have a 1G module in one of the 
1G/10G slots, you need to force 1G mode or it will break when you change 
anything on the port config page, doesn't even have to be that port. 
Good thing I found this before being deployed remotely. The 
auto-detection does work at startup, so I have no idea what that's about.


On 1/18/2016 9:21 PM, George Skorup wrote:
So, back on the original topic that I started here. I got an hour or 
so today to play with this switch. Cisco clone CLI and the web UI is 
very functional. Gotta say I'm really surprised that I don't hate it. 
The VLAN config is a little confusing, but I just need some more time 
with it.


The only contradicting documentation that I've found so far is the DC 
inputs. Is it +48 or -48? The chassis doesn't appear to be bonded to 
ether polarity. Floating would be nice. Does anyone know for sure? 
We're going to start with the AC input and move to DC later as we add 
more switches.

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Curtis Brotherton]

I've personally been through this a few times.  Like others are saying, if you 
aren't sure, consult an attorney.

If this were me however, I'd say this account is most likely property of the 
estate of the deceased person.  If this person had a Last Will and Testament, 
that document most likely appoints either a Trustee or Executor (if there is no 
Will, this role should be court appointed by the Probate court).  It might be 
the same person, or might be someone different than the person requesting 
access to the email account in question.  I'd want written proof of who the 
Trustee or Executor of the estate is, then a letter granting your company 
rights turn over said account to this other person.  If you know these parties 
personally, this might be over kill of course.

For all you know, there might be electronic statements that are being emailed 
(paperless billing/invoices) that are needed to determine values of accounts at 
time of death, or notice of a past due bill or something.

My father passed away last year, and my step mother gave me my father's account 
book with all his passwords and such (I'm also the Trustee of his estate).  So 
I had it pretty easy this last go around.

Disclaimer:  I am not an attorney, and this is not legal advise.  Just a 
sharing what other past experiences I've had.

==
Curtis Brotherton


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy /sarcasm 
[thatoneguyst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] dead customer email

whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email 
address?

we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email still in 
it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect we delete the 
account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be offered access to it in 
the event there are pictures or anything with, whats that word, emotional 
attachment?

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Matt]

> Yes. Co-located with a pair of PMP450 APs. All are GPS synced, and they play
> well together.
>
> The site only has 170° view of the sky, so we lose "enough" satellites now
> and then.

Are these connectorized or integrated?  Have you tried to run a couple
PTP450 links on the same channel if there pointed in different
directions?  Running short on spectrum on some sites with a lot of
backhauls.



> bp
> 
>
> On 1/19/2016 2:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Are you using GPS to colocate multiple units?  Any re-reg issues?
>> Have never been too happy with the PTP230 and looking at replacing a
>> number of them with PTP450 now since it is a pretty easy swap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> had some up for over a year. Work real well.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2016 1:13 PM, Matt wrote:

 Anybody deployed many of the PTP450 links yet?  How are they working
 etc?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Jaime Solorza]

Better call Saul..too easy...I just flogged myself...
On Jan 19, 2016 3:39 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email
> address?
>
> we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email
> still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect
> we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be
> offered access to it in the event there are pictures or anything with,
> whats that word, emotional attachment?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Lewis Bergman]

So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get a set
% of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best looking
pig. I personally seem
to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch of
them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith has
been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that horrible
thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. Thousands
die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get a gaudy little
knick knack.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup  wrote:

> All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
> favorite actor.
>
> On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Remember the TV show Maude?
> >
> > Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the
> > front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the
> > back door was much closer to the car?
> >
> > That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
> > If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
> > exploding right now.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
> >
> >
> > On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...
> > Ummm None?
> >
> >> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
> > They won't?
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450

[Bill Prince]

On 1/19/2016 4:48 PM, Matt wrote:

Are these connectorized or integrated?

The ones we have are connectorized.

Have you tried to run a couple
PTP450 links on the same channel if there pointed in different
directions?
No. But I don't see why you couldn't with good antennas. Should (might?) 
work better than channel sharing on PMP (because of the tighter dishes).


bp

[AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Josh Luthman]

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>
> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>
> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>
> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
> blaming it on the ISP.
>
> I'm sick of this crap.
>
> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
> a datacenter.
>
> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
> others.
>
> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
> whitelisting my IPs.
>
> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team
> of engineers and they fixed it.
>
> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
> "What is a public IP block?"
>
> :(
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Bill Prince]

Really good discussion of this on NPR today. The guy they were 
interviewing had a pretty pragmatic view on it. He said focusing on who 
did and did not get an Oscar was missing the basic issue. He thought it 
was a more systemic issue, and that there are obstacles all along the 
way. From the material that's written, by who's chosen to play parts, 
and so on.


Not to mention that picking Oscar winners is extremely subjective.

bp


On 1/19/2016 5:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get 
a set % of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best 
looking pig. I personally seem
to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch 
of them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith 
has been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that 
horrible thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. 
Thousands die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get 
a gaudy little knick knack.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup > wrote:


All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
favorite actor.

On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Remember the TV show Maude?
>
> Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries
in the
> front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was
when the
> back door was much closer to the car?
>
> That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
> If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
> exploding right now.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
>
>
> On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a
thing...
> Ummm None?
>
>> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
> They won't?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Josh Reynolds]

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
users are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Try NANOG?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>>
>> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>>
>> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
>> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>>
>> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
>> blaming it on the ISP.
>>
>> I'm sick of this crap.
>>
>> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
>> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
>> a datacenter.
>>
>> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
>> others.
>>
>> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
>> whitelisting my IPs.
>>
>> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct
>> team of engineers and they fixed it.
>>
>> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
>> "What is a public IP block?"
>>
>> :(
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't know about that. For all of Hollywood's denial, they are 100% about
making lots of money. If someone says they don't write screenplays or pick
actors based on anything other than money I think they are absolutely
wrong. Look at the latest stint of religious movies. Someone figured out
that you could put just about any nobody in a lead role stamped religious
and a bunch of people would go see it. Granted those guys, I think, have a
genuine belief but I doubt they would be doing it is they lost money.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 7:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Really good discussion of this on NPR today. The guy they were
> interviewing had a pretty pragmatic view on it. He said focusing on who did
> and did not get an Oscar was missing the basic issue. He thought it was a
> more systemic issue, and that there are obstacles all along the way. From
> the material that's written, by who's chosen to play parts, and so on.
>
> Not to mention that picking Oscar winners is extremely subjective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/19/2016 5:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get a
> set % of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
> To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best looking
> pig. I personally seem
> to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch of
> them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith has
> been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that horrible
> thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
> Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. Thousands
> die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get a gaudy little
> knick knack.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup  wrote:
>
> All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
>> favorite actor.
>>
>> On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Remember the TV show Maude?
>> >
>> > Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the
>> > front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the
>> > back door was much closer to the car?
>> >
>> > That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
>> > If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
>> > exploding right now.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...
>> > Ummm None?
>> >
>> >> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
>> > They won't?
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[timothy steele]

Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget
over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there
telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
> users are having issues watching content
> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Try NANOG?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>>>
>>> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>>>
>>> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
>>> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>>>
>>> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
>>> blaming it on the ISP.
>>>
>>> I'm sick of this crap.
>>>
>>> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
>>> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
>>> a datacenter.
>>>
>>> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
>>> whitelisting my IPs.
>>>
>>> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct
>>> team of engineers and they fixed it.
>>>
>>> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
>>> "What is a public IP block?"
>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Paul Stewart]

Wow that's back in time :)  It's an interesting history with AOL and how many 
times they have re-invented themselves and managed to survive quite well until 
they were bought.  


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

The AOL email system ran on a network of Tandem NonStop systems back in the 
day. It was all custom at that time.

I worked at Tandem at the time, and we had regular weekly shipments of machines 
going to AOL.

I think the sales rep retired on the commissions.

bp


On 1/19/2016 8:54 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
> It is a pretty slick system (and expensive) .. I never seen a 
> communigate pro system though that was scaled up.  I'm assuming this 
> 'spec' was for AOL when they first started out back in the day?  
> There's no way you can run a system of that size on a single server ;)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email
>
> I believe the original spec for Communigate was to run all of AOLs email on 1 
> server. I would believe it. Bomb proof.
>
> The Russian guy that does most of the code is a freaking genius.
>
> It is as expensive as Exchange but so stable you will never touch it.
>
> Reselling hosted domains is trivial. You can give admins for your hosted 
> domains full reign of their domain and never have to worry about them.
>
> Pretty cool stuff.
>
> ryan
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Faisal Imtiaz]

You just turned up another bgp session with a new service provider ? Upstream ?

Most likely there is a routing issue...incoming traffic one way and outgoing in 
a different route..and one of them with possible issue..


Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message From: Sterling Jacobson 
 Date:01/19/2016  8:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix 
customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix 
Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
 
So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
 
Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
 
I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.
 
Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
 
Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
 
So I’m stuck without their help.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix
 
Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth 

 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content

On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Paul Stewart]

Interesting .. that definitely would have been early days ... I had a
lengthy webex session with one of their architects when they were building
the last generation (6 years ago if I recall) - was sharing an architecture
I had implemented for a provider in Europe that had about the same
requirements.  Good times... ;)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

My understanding is that it was designed to handle the load of AOL back in
the day. There is clustering built into it and obviously AOL did use a
custom system. 

When I really admin-ed it, we handled 10s of thousands of email accounts
with it on thousands of hosted domains. It just hummed along on OSX and
FreeBSD. 

Tandem, cool cool stuff. 

ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 09:00, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> The AOL email system ran on a network of Tandem NonStop systems back in
the day. It was all custom at that time.
> 
> I worked at Tandem at the time, and we had regular weekly shipments of
machines going to AOL.
> 
> I think the sales rep retired on the commissions.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 1/19/2016 8:54 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> It is a pretty slick system (and expensive) .. I never seen a communigate
pro system though that was scaled up.  I'm assuming this 'spec' was for AOL
when they first started out back in the day?  There's no way you can run a
system of that size on a single server ;)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:13 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email
>> 
>> I believe the original spec for Communigate was to run all of AOLs email
on 1 server. I would believe it. Bomb proof.
>> 
>> The Russian guy that does most of the code is a freaking genius.
>> 
>> It is as expensive as Exchange but so stable you will never touch it.
>> 
>> Reselling hosted domains is trivial. You can give admins for your hosted
domains full reign of their domain and never have to worry about them.
>> 
>> Pretty cool stuff.
>> 
>> ryan
> 

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[Paul Stewart]

Interesting question… 

 

There was a news article recently about Apple getting a request for something 
similar and stating they wouldn’t until there was a court order – can’t 
remember the details… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] dead customer email

 

whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email 
address?

 

we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email still in 
it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect we delete the 
account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be offered access to it in 
the event there are pictures or anything with, whats that word, emotional 
attachment?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Paul Stewart]

Best guess is possibly another of your upstream provider’s customers is running 
a VPN service that has hit their interest… just a guess.. there’s a LOT of that 
going on right now ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

 

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

 

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

 

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?

Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

 

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

 

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

 

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.

I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

 

So I’m stuck without their help.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

 

Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth  

 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content

On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Ken Hohhof]

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

 

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

 

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?

Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

 

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

 

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

 

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.

I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

 

So I’m stuck without their help.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

 

Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth  

 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your 
users are having issues watching content

  On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

  Anyone else start getting these calls today?

  My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

  But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is 
VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.

  Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, 
blaming it on the ISP.

  I'm sick of this crap.

  The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, 
probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a 
datacenter.

  I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several 
others.

  Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

  Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct 
team of engineers and they fixed it.

  On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, 
"What is a public IP block?"

  :(

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Cameron Crum]

Well here is something I learned from listening to an interview by the
black lawyer who coined the #oscarssowhite. Academy membership is for life,
the majority are white and over 60, and there is no requirement for a
member to watch any movies for which they are voting. That last part really
got me. While I thought Straight Out of Compton was decent (not sure about
oscar worthy), I wonder how many of the over 60 members even watched it,
much less voted on it. How about any of the others? They should at least
change that rule if nothing else.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I don't know about that. For all of Hollywood's denial, they are 100%
> about making lots of money. If someone says they don't write screenplays or
> pick actors based on anything other than money I think they are absolutely
> wrong. Look at the latest stint of religious movies. Someone figured out
> that you could put just about any nobody in a lead role stamped religious
> and a bunch of people would go see it. Granted those guys, I think, have a
> genuine belief but I doubt they would be doing it is they lost money.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 7:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Really good discussion of this on NPR today. The guy they were
>> interviewing had a pretty pragmatic view on it. He said focusing on who did
>> and did not get an Oscar was missing the basic issue. He thought it was a
>> more systemic issue, and that there are obstacles all along the way. From
>> the material that's written, by who's chosen to play parts, and so on.
>>
>> Not to mention that picking Oscar winners is extremely subjective.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2016 5:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get a
>> set % of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
>> To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best looking
>> pig. I personally seem
>> to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch of
>> them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith has
>> been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that horrible
>> thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
>> Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. Thousands
>> die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get a gaudy little
>> knick knack.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup < 
>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>> All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
>>> favorite actor.
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > Remember the TV show Maude?
>>> >
>>> > Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the
>>> > front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the
>>> > back door was much closer to the car?
>>> >
>>> > That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
>>> > If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
>>> > exploding right now.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a thing...
>>> > Ummm None?
>>> >
>>> >> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
>>> > They won't?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, I may have advertised with another BGP.

I did just get my new ASN and created a BGP session with the existing provider 
as well, though these IP’s aren’t being serviced through that at all yet.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

You just turned up another bgp session with a new service provider ? Upstream ?

Most likely there is a routing issue...incoming traffic one way and outgoing in 
a different route..and one of them with possible issue..


Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message 
From: Sterling Jacobson
Date:01/19/2016 8:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What is you ASN ? I will be more than happy to check if I see anything odd. 

Also, Netflix has different IP's in different parts of the country they use for 
sending the video streams. 
We typically don't see the same prefix advertised by them via different pops 
they have. 

Plus, not sure if you already got hold of them... you can reach them via email 
to their NOC cdnet...@netflix.com 

If you give a shout out them on Nanog mailing list, you are very likely to get 
a fairly prompt response from their technical team. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:49:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked
> Netflix

> It may be that.

> I get my IPv4 from a data center.

> They are my upstream provider.

> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago
> because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have
> issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked
> Netflix

> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from? 
> That
> may be part of the story.

> From: Sterling Jacobson

> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked
> Netflix

> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?

> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and
> details.

> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.

> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

> So I’m stuck without their help.

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of timothy steele
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked
> Netflix

> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget 
> over
> a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there telling you
> nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your 
>> users
>> are having issues watching content

>> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
>> wrote:
>>> Try NANOG?

>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373

>>> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > wrote:
 Anyone else start getting these calls today?

 My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

 But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN,
 Proxy or using an Unblocker.

 Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, 
 blaming it
 on the ISP.

 I'm sick of this crap.

 The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, 
 probably
 with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a 
 datacenter.

 I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several 
 others.

 Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
 whitelisting my IPs.

 Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team 
 of
 engineers and they fixed it.

 On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, 
 "What is a
 public IP block?"

 :(

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Jay Weekley]

Too young to have seen Apollo 13? Oh man, that was out 20 years ago.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
We seem to be living in negative times ... if you believe the 
presidential debates.  It�s a mess, it�s a disaster, the barbarians 
are at the door, so elect me.
BTW, if anyone is too young to have ever seen the movie Apollo 13, 
watch it.  I love the part with Marilyn Lovell ordering the reporters 
off her lawn who couldn�t even be bothered to cover the mission until 
it turned into a potential disaster.  �Those people don�t put one 
piece of equipment on my lawn.  If they have a problem with that, they 
can take it up with my husband ... he�ll be home Friday.�  Movie has 
more great quotes than you can shake a stick at.

*From:* Joe Falaschi 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
Humans think negative more than positive.  I saw this yesterday:
http://blog.eosworldwide.com/blog/180-rule-creative-problem-solving#axzz3xhrPypBF
and it seems to fit...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201406/are-we-hardwired-be-positive-or-negative 


On Jan 19, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes 
at NASA and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is 
starting over with private enterprise.
I don�t like the way people universally started to talk about the 
Space Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and 
their contractors were told to build a reusable space truck for 
delivering stuff to orbit, and that�s what they built.  At the 
beginning people ignored the risks and marveled at the successes.  
Then there were some failures, and eventually no one cared about the 
successes, it wasn�t new and shiny.

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should 
foot the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without
crashing it into it.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They
are doing
some truly amazing things.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
> Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink
to the ship right
> before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see
they had more
> problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they
mentioned that ice
> on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty
amazing feat.
>
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg
fail arrgh..
>> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>
>>

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] dead customer email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we havent had a request or anything, its just part of my processs to remove
the email account when i remove the equipment from a closed account, the
disconnect was scheduled already. Im just curious, Ill probably leave the
email active just in case. just FYI however, If I die, I want any and all
digital footprints removed as quickly ass possible.

I think about it though, my dad retired a few years ago, my mom this year,
theyre just getting to know each other again, they were so busy for the
last 30 or 40 years they missed out on each other. If one of them bit it I
would think if there were any momentos or pictures available I think it
would be nice for the other to have the opportunity to see it. The digital
estate is a whole new world for lawyers to exploit

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Interesting question…
>
>
>
> There was a news article recently about Apple getting a request for
> something similar and stating they wouldn’t until there was a court order –
> can’t remember the details…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] dead customer email
>
>
>
> whats the legality on giving next of kin access to a dead customers email
> address?
>
>
>
> we had an older lady croak out and she has an email address with email
> still in it, i dont look at it, but im curious, normally upon a disconnect
> we delete the account when i do maintenance. Can/should the family be
> offered access to it in the event there are pictures or anything with,
> whats that word, emotional attachment?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

holy shit, its been 20 years? I had to IMDB that to verify this.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Too young to have seen Apollo 13? Oh man, that was out 20 years ago.
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> We seem to be living in negative times ... if you believe the
>> presidential debates.  It�s a mess, it�s a disaster, the barbarians are
>> at the door, so elect me.
>> BTW, if anyone is too young to have ever seen the movie Apollo 13, watch
>> it.  I love the part with Marilyn Lovell ordering the reporters off her
>> lawn who couldn�t even be bothered to cover the mission until it turned
>> into a potential disaster.  �Those people don�t put one piece of
>> equipment on my lawn.  If they have a problem with that, they can take it
>> up with my husband ... he�ll be home Friday.�  Movie has more great
>> quotes than you can shake a stick at.
>> *From:* Joe Falaschi 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
>> Humans think negative more than positive.  I saw this yesterday:
>>
>> http://blog.eosworldwide.com/blog/180-rule-creative-problem-solving#axzz3xhrPypBF
>> and it seems to fit...
>>
>> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201406/are-we-hardwired-be-positive-or-negative
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes at
>>> NASA and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is starting
>>> over with private enterprise.
>>> I don�t like the way people universally started to talk about the
>>> Space Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their
>>> contractors were told to build a reusable space truck for delivering stuff
>>> to orbit, and that�s what they built.  At the beginning people ignored
>>> the risks and marveled at the successes.  Then there were some failures,
>>> and eventually no one cared about the successes, it wasn�t new and shiny.
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
>>> I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should
>>> foot the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without
>>> crashing it into it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds
>>> mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They
>>> are doing
>>> some truly amazing things.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink
>>> to the ship right
>>> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see
>>> they had more
>>> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they
>>> mentioned that ice
>>> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty
>>> amazing feat.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg
>>> fail arrgh..
>>> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

A teacher friend of mine was talking about this today, he pointed out how
sad it is that this is where the "important people" and news choose to
direct attention regarding racial inequities when such a big percentage of
minority youth are illiterate in this country, he was very disappointed in
priorities. Hes a gay black man, so he can pretty much say what he wants,
and this is what he chose. I have to fully agree with the fella

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Well here is something I learned from listening to an interview by the
> black lawyer who coined the #oscarssowhite. Academy membership is for life,
> the majority are white and over 60, and there is no requirement for a
> member to watch any movies for which they are voting. That last part really
> got me. While I thought Straight Out of Compton was decent (not sure about
> oscar worthy), I wonder how many of the over 60 members even watched it,
> much less voted on it. How about any of the others? They should at least
> change that rule if nothing else.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about that. For all of Hollywood's denial, they are 100%
>> about making lots of money. If someone says they don't write screenplays or
>> pick actors based on anything other than money I think they are absolutely
>> wrong. Look at the latest stint of religious movies. Someone figured out
>> that you could put just about any nobody in a lead role stamped religious
>> and a bunch of people would go see it. Granted those guys, I think, have a
>> genuine belief but I doubt they would be doing it is they lost money.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 7:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Really good discussion of this on NPR today. The guy they were
>>> interviewing had a pretty pragmatic view on it. He said focusing on who did
>>> and did not get an Oscar was missing the basic issue. He thought it was a
>>> more systemic issue, and that there are obstacles all along the way. From
>>> the material that's written, by who's chosen to play parts, and so on.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that picking Oscar winners is extremely subjective.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2016 5:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get a
>>> set % of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
>>> To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best looking
>>> pig. I personally seem
>>> to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch of
>>> them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith has
>>> been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that horrible
>>> thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
>>> Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. Thousands
>>> die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get a gaudy little
>>> knick knack.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup < 
>>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
 favorite actor.

 On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > Remember the TV show Maude?
 >
 > Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the
 > front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the
 > back door was much closer to the car?
 >
 > That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
 > If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
 > exploding right now.
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
 > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
 >
 >
 > On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 >> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a
 thing...
 > Ummm None?
 >
 >> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
 > They won't?
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 >


>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Jay Weekley]

I'm thinking that poor Ken didn't realize that it was only 10 or 15 
years ago.


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

holy shit, its been 20 years? I had to IMDB that to verify this.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Too young to have seen Apollo 13? Oh man, that was out 20 years ago.

Ken Hohhof wrote:

We seem to be living in negative times ... if you believe the
presidential debates.  It�s a mess, it�s a disaster, the
barbarians are at the door, so elect me.
BTW, if anyone is too young to have ever seen the movie Apollo
13, watch it.  I love the part with Marilyn Lovell ordering
the reporters off her lawn who couldn�t even be bothered to
cover the mission until it turned into a potential disaster. 
�Those people don�t put one piece of equipment on my

lawn.  If they have a problem with that, they can take it up
with my husband ... he�ll be home Friday.�  Movie has more
great quotes than you can shake a stick at.
*From:* Joe Falaschi >
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com  >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
Humans think negative more than positive.  I saw this yesterday:

http://blog.eosworldwide.com/blog/180-rule-creative-problem-solving#axzz3xhrPypBF
and it seems to fit...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201406/are-we-hardwired-be-positive-or-negative

On Jan 19, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the
successes at NASA and ended up focusing only on the
failures, now the cycle is starting over with private
enterprise.
I don�t like the way people universally started to talk
about the Space Shuttle like some enormous failure to be
mocked.  NASA and their contractors were told to build a
reusable space truck for delivering stuff to orbit, and
that�s what they built.  At the beginning people ignored
the risks and marveled at the successes. Then there were
some failures, and eventually no one cared about the
successes, it wasn�t new and shiny.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private
entities should foot the bill for all failures, paid only
upon success.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship
without
crashing it into it.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:

The speed at which they are progressing is
astounding. They
are doing
some truly amazing things.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> wrote:
> Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost
satellite uplink
to the ship right
> before they landed it unfortunately.
Disappointing to see
they had more
> problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough
and they
mentioned that ice
> on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty
amazing feat.
>
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>
wrote:
>>
>> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch
on a leg
fail arrgh..
>> Look at how close it is to the center of the
target:
>>
>>

http://www.slate.com/blogs

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Eric Kuhnke]

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more
likely to contain VPN endpoints.

I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> It may be that.
>
>
>
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>
> They are my upstream provider.
>
> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>
>
>
> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year
> ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same
> time.
>
>
>
> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
> from?  That may be part of the story.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>
>
>
> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>
>
>
> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>
> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>
>
>
> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and
> details.
>
>
>
> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>
>
>
> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>
> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>
>
>
> So I’m stuck without their help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget
> over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there
> telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
> users are having issues watching content
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Try NANOG?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>
> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>
> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>
> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
> blaming it on the ISP.
>
> I'm sick of this crap.
>
> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
> a datacenter.
>
> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
> others.
>
> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
> whitelisting my IPs.
>
> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team
> of engineers and they fixed it.
>
> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
> "What is a public IP block?"
>
> :(
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof

[Eric Kuhnke]

"So today my grandmother showed me some of her favorite websites..."

http://i.imgur.com/DEvgS4S.jpg




On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have an Aunt who listens to the radio and hears them talk about a
> website that "You should check this out because they said on the radio that
> everyone needs to do this"  She will write out the word 'dot' as she's
> copying it down.
>
>
> On 1/19/2016 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> Same people who can't spell "admin"?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Paul McCall
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof
>>
>> Had the same experience Nate :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof
>>
>> When we help customers with their WIFI setup, we usually set the key to
>> be their 10 digit phone number, makes it nice and easy for them to remember.
>>
>> This usually works really well.
>>
>> Enter the customer today, who called me on the number that the key was
>> set to, but was unable to get it right, even when I was telling her the
>> numbers.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive

[Jaime Solorza]

When I worked at school district few years ago I was astonished by the
young teachers coming out of college.  We had three English teachers at
high school who never read any of the classics..no Greek French German
Italian or English writers... no Aristotle Homer Voltaire Grimm Dante
Milton...to name a few..Shakespeare yes but no Mark Twainthe librarian
used to ask me to help tutor some kids who just spoke Spanish at home and
watched only TV in Spanish.. I would tell them that in Europe and Asia most
folks speak read and write several languages including English.  The world
is such a diverse place that they should travel and learn about people and
cultures.  Reading is to me the best way to learn for most folks.  The
classics teach us so much but newer books or TV shows can as well. MASH is
a perfect example of great writing.   Don't even get me started on my
states idiotic Board of Miseducation... revisionism ad nauseum... off soap
box
A teacher friend of mine was talking about this today, he pointed out how
sad it is that this is where the "important people" and news choose to
direct attention regarding racial inequities when such a big percentage of
minority youth are illiterate in this country, he was very disappointed in
priorities. Hes a gay black man, so he can pretty much say what he wants,
and this is what he chose. I have to fully agree with the fella

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Well here is something I learned from listening to an interview by the
> black lawyer who coined the #oscarssowhite. Academy membership is for life,
> the majority are white and over 60, and there is no requirement for a
> member to watch any movies for which they are voting. That last part really
> got me. While I thought Straight Out of Compton was decent (not sure about
> oscar worthy), I wonder how many of the over 60 members even watched it,
> much less voted on it. How about any of the others? They should at least
> change that rule if nothing else.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about that. For all of Hollywood's denial, they are 100%
>> about making lots of money. If someone says they don't write screenplays or
>> pick actors based on anything other than money I think they are absolutely
>> wrong. Look at the latest stint of religious movies. Someone figured out
>> that you could put just about any nobody in a lead role stamped religious
>> and a bunch of people would go see it. Granted those guys, I think, have a
>> genuine belief but I doubt they would be doing it is they lost money.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 7:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Really good discussion of this on NPR today. The guy they were
>>> interviewing had a pretty pragmatic view on it. He said focusing on who did
>>> and did not get an Oscar was missing the basic issue. He thought it was a
>>> more systemic issue, and that there are obstacles all along the way. From
>>> the material that's written, by who's chosen to play parts, and so on.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that picking Oscar winners is extremely subjective.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2016 5:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> So I guess there should either be a quota so that minority actors get a
>>> set % of Oscars or should there be a minority Oscar?
>>> To me it's like pig judging. Who's to say which one is the best looking
>>> pig. I personally seem
>>> to be counter Oscar. Every movie that I can remember winning a bunch of
>>> them have really sucked. I really like almost everything Will Smith has
>>> been in but haven't seen the concussion movie. If course not that horrible
>>> thing with his son in it. That thing wreaked.
>>> Anyway, it is really funny what some people get excited about. Thousands
>>> die violent deaths and they are really upset they didn't get a gaudy little
>>> knick knack.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 6:26 PM George Skorup < 
>>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All I know is.. I'd probably have to pick Denzel Washington as my
 favorite actor.

 On 1/19/2016 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > Remember the TV show Maude?
 >
 > Remember how she made the black housekeeper bring the groceries in the
 > front door to prove to the neighbors how egalitarian she was when the
 > back door was much closer to the car?
 >
 > That is what I think of when I think of Hollywood.
 > If Maude was on the Oscar election committee her head would be
 > exploding right now.
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
 > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:22 PM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT probably offensive
 >
 >
 > On 1/19/2016 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 >> I wonder how many had fits of apoplexy when accused of such a
 thing...
 > Ummm None?
 >
 >> and how will they ever atone for this sin?
 > They won't?
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 >

Re: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof

[Jay Weekley]

That reminds me of Yahoo magazine.  A paper magazine about websites.  Of 
course, that was during dial up days.


Eric Kuhnke wrote:

"So today my grandmother showed me some of her favorite websites..."

http://i.imgur.com/DEvgS4S.jpg




On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I have an Aunt who listens to the radio and hears them talk about
a website that "You should check this out because they said on the
radio that everyone needs to do this"  She will write out the word
'dot' as she's copying it down.


On 1/19/2016 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Same people who can't spell "admin"?

-Original Message- From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof

Had the same experience Nate :)



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:26 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I thought this idea was foolproof

When we help customers with their WIFI setup, we usually set
the key to be their 10 digit phone number, makes it nice and
easy for them to remember.

This usually works really well.

Enter the customer today, who called me on the number that the
key was set to, but was unable to get it right, even when I
was telling her the numbers.

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Ken Hohhof]

Technology is not as smart and infallible as its smarty-pants inventors like to 
think.  This is why I am skeptical of self-driving cars.

Reminds me of my summer job in college as a shipping clerk, I’m on the phone 
with the long cord talking to a guy at HQ looking at the computer screen 
telling me there are 3 widgets in the bin.  And I’m telling him that I’m 
looking in the bin and it’s empty.  But he’s sure the computer is right and I’m 
wrong.

You are not fooling us, Sterling Jacobson, we know you are not in Utah, United 
States of America.  You are really in Europe or Asia or Africa trying to watch 
Netflix shows blocked in your country by using a VPN or proxy.  We are too 
smart for you, “Sterling Jacobson”, or whatever your real name is.


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.


I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  It may be that.



  I get my IPv4 from a data center.

  They are my upstream provider.

  The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.



  I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year 
ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.



  All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix



  If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.



  From: Sterling Jacobson 

  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix



  Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.



  So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.



  Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?

  Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.



  I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.



  Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.



  Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.

  I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.



  So I’m stuck without their help.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix



  Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget 
over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there 
telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth  



  On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your 
users are having issues watching content

On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  Try NANOG?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is 
VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, 
blaming it on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, 
probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a 
datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several 
others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct 
team of engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, 
"What is a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

You know what a crummy job it is for the techs at netflix who have to deal
with this type of stuff all day, you know there are suits demanding
flawless solutions, "support" call center staff who dont know what IP
blocks are fielding calls and injecting their monkeyf*^kery into the
process and "engineers" who know all

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Technology is not as smart and infallible as its smarty-pants inventors
> like to think.  This is why I am skeptical of self-driving cars.
>
> Reminds me of my summer job in college as a shipping clerk, I’m on the
> phone with the long cord talking to a guy at HQ looking at the computer
> screen telling me there are 3 widgets in the bin.  And I’m telling him that
> I’m looking in the bin and it’s empty.  But he’s sure the computer is right
> and I’m wrong.
>
> You are not fooling us, Sterling Jacobson, we know you are not in Utah,
> United States of America.  You are really in Europe or Asia or Africa
> trying to watch Netflix shows blocked in your country by using a VPN or
> proxy.  We are too smart for you, “Sterling Jacobson”, or whatever your
> real name is.
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space
> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
>
> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> It may be that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>>
>> They are my upstream provider.
>>
>> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a
>> year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the
>> same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
>> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
>> from?  That may be part of the story.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>>
>>
>>
>> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>>
>> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream
>> and details.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>>
>> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I’m stuck without their help.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *timothy steele
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on
>> Engadget over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when
>> there telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
>> users are having issues watching content
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Try NANOG?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>>
>> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>>
>> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
>> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>>
>> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
>> blaming it on the ISP.
>>
>> I'm sick of this crap.
>>
>> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
>> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
>> a datacenter.
>>
>> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
>> others.
>>
>> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
>> whitelisting

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can’t.

ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ich spreche kein Russish.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Technology is not as smart and infallible as its smarty-pants inventors like to 
think.  This is why I am skeptical of self-driving cars.

Reminds me of my summer job in college as a shipping clerk, I’m on the phone 
with the long cord talking to a guy at HQ looking at the computer screen 
telling me there are 3 widgets in the bin.  And I’m telling him that I’m 
looking in the bin and it’s empty.  But he’s sure the computer is right and I’m 
wrong.

You are not fooling us, Sterling Jacobson, we know you are not in Utah, United 
States of America.  You are really in Europe or Asia or Africa trying to watch 
Netflix shows blocked in your country by using a VPN or proxy.  We are too 
smart for you, “Sterling Jacobson”, or whatever your real name is.


From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

My ASN is 394752 the data center upstream ASN is 11798.

I’m still not sure this isn’t that new world wide problem of forcing DNS 
redirection in routers running parental filtering.

One instance of this was a customer running filtering on their router, but they 
said they turned it off and it still has the same Netflix message.

I’ll try emailing their NOC and see if I receive anything intelligent.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

What is you ASN ? I will be more than happy to check if I see anything odd.

Also, Netflix has different IP's in different parts of the country they use for 
sending the video streams.
We typically don't see the same prefix advertised by them via different pops 
they have.

Plus, not sure if you already got hold of them... you can reach them via email 
to their NOC cdnet...@netflix.com

If you give a shout out them on Nanog mailing list, you are very likely to get 
a fairly prompt response from their technical team.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it.

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?"

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Josh Luthman]

I got a v4 block in May 2015...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
>
>
>
> But I can’t.
>
>
>
> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was
> no way to obtain it.
>
> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much
> as possible to avoid crap like this.
>
> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
>
>
>
> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
>
> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some
> foreign country, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space
> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
>
> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> It may be that.
>
>
>
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>
> They are my upstream provider.
>
> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>
>
>
> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year
> ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same
> time.
>
>
>
> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
> from?  That may be part of the story.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>
>
>
> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>
>
>
> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>
> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>
>
>
> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and
> details.
>
>
>
> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>
>
>
> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>
> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>
>
>
> So I’m stuck without their help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget
> over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there
> telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
> users are having issues watching content
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Try NANOG?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>
> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>
> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>
> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
> blaming it on the ISP.
>
> I'm sick of this crap.
>
> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
> a datacenter.
>
> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
> others.
>
> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
> whitelisting my IPs.
>
> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team
> of engineers and they fixed it.
>
> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
> "What is a public IP block?"
>
> :(
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

isnt there an exchange now where people can sell their IP4 for small rapes?

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I got a v4 block in May 2015...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I can’t.
>>
>>
>>
>> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was
>> no way to obtain it.
>>
>> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much
>> as possible to avoid crap like this.
>>
>> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
>>
>> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some
>> foreign country, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
>> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
>> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space
>> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
>>
>> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It may be that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>>
>> They are my upstream provider.
>>
>> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a
>> year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the
>> same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
>> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
>> from?  That may be part of the story.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>>
>>
>>
>> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>>
>> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream
>> and details.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>>
>> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I’m stuck without their help.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *timothy steele
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
>> blocked Netflix
>>
>>
>>
>> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on
>> Engadget over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when
>> there telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
>> users are having issues watching content
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Try NANOG?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>>
>> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>>
>> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
>> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>>
>> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
>> blaming it on the ISP.
>>
>> I'm sick of this crap.
>>
>> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
>> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through
>> a datacenter.
>>
>> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
>> others.
>>
>> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
>> whitelisting my IPs.
>>
>> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct
>> team of engineers and they fixed it.
>>
>> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
>> "Wha

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

How?

I asked ARIN if I could TRANSITION my current allocation from my current 
provider and they denied.

So it wasn’t even for a new block, just to ‘move’ off the current one.

Same thing in reality though since the data center wasn’t likely to return 
those IPs to anyone anyways.

This was maybe October last year.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

I got a v4 block in May 2015...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can’t.

ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time b

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Josh Luthman]

Filled out a request.  Got it in a few days iirc

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 20, 2016 1:03 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> How?
>
>
>
> I asked ARIN if I could TRANSITION my current allocation from my current
> provider and they denied.
>
>
>
> So it wasn’t even for a new block, just to ‘move’ off the current one.
>
>
>
> Same thing in reality though since the data center wasn’t likely to return
> those IPs to anyone anyways.
>
>
>
> This was maybe October last year.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> I got a v4 block in May 2015...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
>
>
>
> But I can’t.
>
>
>
> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was
> no way to obtain it.
>
> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much
> as possible to avoid crap like this.
>
> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
>
>
>
> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
>
> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some
> foreign country, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space
> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
>
> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> It may be that.
>
>
>
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>
> They are my upstream provider.
>
> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>
>
>
> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year
> ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same
> time.
>
>
>
> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
> from?  That may be part of the story.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>
>
>
> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>
>
>
> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>
> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>
>
>
> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and
> details.
>
>
>
> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>
>
>
> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>
> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>
>
>
> So I’m stuck without their help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget
> over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there
> telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
> users are having issues watching content
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Try NANOG?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
>
> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
>
> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
>
> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
> blaming it on the ISP.
>
> I'm sick of this crap.
>
> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get a

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’ll just start taking off my pants now and bend over.

Look the other way while I offer myself to the IPv4 pervs.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

isnt there an exchange now where people can sell their IP4 for small rapes?

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I got a v4 block in May 2015...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can’t.

ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs.

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

Lucky you.

Here is what they told me on Oct 30 2015.

And the ticket is still pending, meaning I’m on a wait list I guess, but no end 
in sight.
--
ARIN has reached full IPv4 depletion. There are currently no IPv4 blocks 
available to fill your request. You can find more detailed information about 
IPv4 depletion at the URL below:

https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html

If our review of your request finds a justified need for an IPv4 block, you 
will be offered the option to be added to ARIN's IPv4 Waiting List. You can 
find more information about the IPv4 Waiting List at the URL below:

https://www.arin.net/resources/request/waiting_list.html

If you plan to deploy IPv6, you have the option to submit a separate request 
for an IPv4 /24 every six months from a block specifically reserved to 
facilitate IPv6 deployment. You can find more information about this special 
policy at the URL below:

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10

If you plan to request IPv4 addresses via an 8.3 Specified Recipient Transfer 
or 8.4 Inter-RIR transfer you have the option to request a pre-approval for up 
to a 24-month supply of IPv4 addresses. To request a pre-approval, follow the 
instructions at the URL below:

https://www.arin.net/resources/transfers/preapproval.html

Note that while you can opt to go on the IPv4 Waiting List and receive a 
pre-approval, you will be removed from the waiting list if you use your 
pre-approval to receive IPv4 addresses via transfer.

Please provide the following information to help us evaluate your request. If 
you have any questions about the requested items, please contact ARIN's 
Registration Services Help Desk at 703-227-0660. Note that due to the processes 
and procedures in place for IPv4 depletion, our response time to IPv4 requests 
is currently three to five business days rather than our published time of two 
business days.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Filled out a request.  Got it in a few days iirc

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 20, 2016 1:03 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
How?

I asked ARIN if I could TRANSITION my current allocation from my current 
provider and they denied.

So it wasn’t even for a new block, just to ‘move’ off the current one.

Same thing in reality though since the data center wasn’t likely to return 
those IPs to anyone anyways.

This was maybe October last year.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

I got a v4 block in May 2015...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can’t.

ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocat

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/index.html I believe is
where you put up your need and if somebody has it you can transfer it. if
your upstream has ip4 theyll part with it
https://www.arin.net/public/secure/transfer/transferResources.xhtml

I could be wrong

You should get on the waiting list though so if something does open up,
maybe IBM or Xerox will forget to pay their bill

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:12 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Lucky you.
>
>
>
> Here is what they told me on Oct 30 2015.
>
>
>
> And the ticket is still pending, meaning I’m on a wait list I guess, but
> no end in sight.
>
> --
>
> ARIN has reached full IPv4 depletion. There are currently no IPv4 blocks
> available to fill your request. You can find more detailed information
> about IPv4 depletion at the URL below:
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html
>
>
>
> If our review of your request finds a justified need for an IPv4 block,
> you will be offered the option to be added to ARIN's IPv4 Waiting List. You
> can find more information about the IPv4 Waiting List at the URL below:
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/request/waiting_list.html
>
>
>
> If you plan to deploy IPv6, you have the option to submit a separate
> request for an IPv4 /24 every six months from a block specifically reserved
> to facilitate IPv6 deployment. You can find more information about this
> special policy at the URL below:
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10
>
>
>
> If you plan to request IPv4 addresses via an 8.3 Specified Recipient
> Transfer or 8.4 Inter-RIR transfer you have the option to request a
> pre-approval for up to a 24-month supply of IPv4 addresses. To request a
> pre-approval, follow the instructions at the URL below:
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/transfers/preapproval.html
>
>
>
> Note that while you can opt to go on the IPv4 Waiting List and receive a
> pre-approval, you will be removed from the waiting list if you use your
> pre-approval to receive IPv4 addresses via transfer.
>
>
>
> Please provide the following information to help us evaluate your request.
> If you have any questions about the requested items, please contact ARIN's
> Registration Services Help Desk at 703-227-0660. Note that due to the
> processes and procedures in place for IPv4 depletion, our response time to
> IPv4 requests is currently three to five business days rather than our
> published time of two business days.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Filled out a request.  Got it in a few days iirc
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 20, 2016 1:03 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> How?
>
>
>
> I asked ARIN if I could TRANSITION my current allocation from my current
> provider and they denied.
>
>
>
> So it wasn’t even for a new block, just to ‘move’ off the current one.
>
>
>
> Same thing in reality though since the data center wasn’t likely to return
> those IPs to anyone anyways.
>
>
>
> This was maybe October last year.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> I got a v4 block in May 2015...
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
>
>
>
> But I can’t.
>
>
>
> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was
> no way to obtain it.
>
> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much
> as possible to avoid crap like this.
>
> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
>
>
>
> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
>
> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some
> foreign country, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space
> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
>
> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> It may be that.
>
>
>
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>
> They are my upstream provider.
>
> The blocks are SWIPed 

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Mike Hammett]

IPv4 was still available in 2015. I got some. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:56:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4. 

But I can’t. 

ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it. 
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this. 
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though. 

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center. 
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol! 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints. 
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows. 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 




It may be that. 

I get my IPv4 from a data center. 
They are my upstream provider. 
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. 

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time. 

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 




If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from? That 
may be part of the story. 






From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. 

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. 

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? 
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. 

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details. 

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. 

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. 
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. 

So I’m stuck without their help. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of timothy steele 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 

Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 




Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content 

On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 


Try NANOG? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 


Anyone else start getting these calls today? 

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. 

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker. 

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP. 

I'm sick of this crap. 

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter. 

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others. 

Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
whitelisting my IPs. 

Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
engineers and they fixed it. 

On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is 
a public IP block?" 

:( 

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Mike Hammett]

http://bgp.he.net/AS394752 

You don't seem to be advertising anything. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:00:22 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



My ASN is 394752 the data center upstream ASN is 11798. 

I’m still not sure this isn’t that new world wide problem of forcing DNS 
redirection in routers running parental filtering. 

One instance of this was a customer running filtering on their router, but they 
said they turned it off and it still has the same Netflix message. 

I’ll try emailing their NOC and see if I receive anything intelligent. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



What is you ASN ? I will be more than happy to check if I see anything odd. 


Also, Netflix has different IP's in different parts of the country they use for 
sending the video streams. 

We typically don't see the same prefix advertised by them via different pops 
they have. 



Plus, not sure if you already got hold of them... you can reach them via email 
to their NOC cdnet...@netflix.com 



If you give a shout out them on Nanog mailing list, you are very likely to get 
a fairly prompt response from their technical team. 



Regards. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 


- Original Message -




From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:49:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 






It may be that. 

I get my IPv4 from a data center. 
They are my upstream provider. 
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. 

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time. 

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 




If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from? That 
may be part of the story. 






From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 



Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. 

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. 

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? 
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. 

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details. 

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. 

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. 
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. 

So I’m stuck without their help. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of timothy steele 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix 

Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth 



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content 

On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 


Try NANOG? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 


Anyone else start getting these calls today? 

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. 

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker. 

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP. 

I'm sick of this crap. 

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter. 

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others. 

Fortunately, all of those companies, excep

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Sterling Jacobson]

I haven’t turned it up yet on my own BGP, been running off providers BGP.

So I guess that’s not the problem.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

http://bgp.he.net/AS394752

You don't seem to be advertising anything.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:00:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix
My ASN is 394752 the data center upstream ASN is 11798.

I’m still not sure this isn’t that new world wide problem of forcing DNS 
redirection in routers running parental filtering.

One instance of this was a customer running filtering on their router, but they 
said they turned it off and it still has the same Netflix message.

I’ll try emailing their NOC and see if I receive anything intelligent.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

What is you ASN ? I will be more than happy to check if I see anything odd.

Also, Netflix has different IP's in different parts of the country they use for 
sending the video streams.
We typically don't see the same prefix advertised by them via different pops 
they have.

Plus, not sure if you already got hold of them... you can reach them via email 
to their NOC cdnet...@netflix.com

If you give a shout out them on Nanog mailing list, you are very likely to get 
a fairly prompt response from their technical team.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago 
because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I’m stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[TJ Trout]

Yeah, I got several allocations up to like 4 or 5 months ago when they
depleted. If you started in 2013 you dropped the ball, you could have had
50,000 ip's by now.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I haven’t turned it up yet on my own BGP, been running off providers BGP.
>
>
>
> So I guess that’s not the problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> http://bgp.he.net/AS394752
>
> You don't seem to be advertising anything.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:00:22 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
> My ASN is 394752 the data center upstream ASN is 11798.
>
>
>
> I’m still not sure this isn’t that new world wide problem of forcing DNS
> redirection in routers running parental filtering.
>
>
>
> One instance of this was a customer running filtering on their router, but
> they said they turned it off and it still has the same Netflix message.
>
>
>
> I’ll try emailing their NOC and see if I receive anything intelligent.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> What is you ASN ? I will be more than happy to check if I see anything odd.
>
>
> Also, Netflix has different IP's in different parts of the country they
> use for sending the video streams.
>
> We typically don't see the same prefix advertised by them via different
> pops they have.
>
>
>
> Plus, not sure if you already got hold of them... you can reach them via
> email to their NOC cdnet...@netflix.com
>
>
>
> If you give a shout out them on Nanog mailing list, you are very likely to
> get a fairly prompt response from their technical team.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:49:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
> It may be that.
>
>
>
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
>
> They are my upstream provider.
>
> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
>
>
>
> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year
> ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same
> time.
>
>
>
> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
> from?  That may be part of the story.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
>
>
>
> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
>
>
>
> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
>
> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
>
>
>
> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and
> details.
>
>
>
> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
>
>
>
> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
>
> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
>
>
>
> So I’m stuck without their help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
> blocked Netflix
>
>
>
> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget
> over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there
> tellin

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Ok. So may be something other. No problem this night.

Mimosa told me they should work down to -40C.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Baird
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 17:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?



We haven't seen this on our B5C's (*knocks on wood*).



It has been ~5F here the past few mornings.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Jason Pond mailto:p...@grizzlyinternet.com> > wrote:

We have not seen this on B5 integrated.  There has been 2 weeks straight of 
-20F or colder here back in late November / early December 2 different 
directions both off the same tower.  One running 2x20 and the other running 
1x20.





Sincerely,

Jason Pond



On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

-13 degree C (=14 degree F). No wind so it was not extreme cold.



The B5s where up and running but they cant connect. Rebooted, changed 
frequency, …

Examined the sites and after a while I connected to the AP with 2,4GHz Managment

The link came back up immediately with strong signal and stayed online since 
then.

The wireless cards seem to work the whole time as there was a spectrum view even

while disconnected.

A scan at the client showed a nearby B5 but not the AP side.

It is a short LOS link with high SNR running at 800/800 with 2x40. Even if 
there would

be ice on both sides it should work fine.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 13:37
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?



How cold? I had a B5c fail somewhere in the 10*F area just over a week ago. 
It's been over 10* colder since with no others failing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  


Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

   
  



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From: "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:02:25 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

Today early morning we’ve 2 B5 links failing. One came back up after rebooting 
the AP the second

after it is warmer and connecting via Managment Wlan

[AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Today early morning we've 2 B5 links failing. One came back up after rebooting 
the AP the second

after it is warmer and connecting via Managment Wlan

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

[Mike Hammett]

How cold? I had a B5c fail somewhere in the 10*F area just over a week ago. 
It's been over 10* colder since with no others failing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:02:25 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems? 



Today early morning we’ve 2 B5 links failing. One came back up after rebooting 
the AP the second 
after it is warmer and connecting via Managment Wlan 

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Gino Villarini]

We have fed it directly from our Emerson -48 system without issues.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:21 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> So, back on the original topic that I started here. I got an hour or so
> today to play with this switch. Cisco clone CLI and the web UI is very
> functional. Gotta say I'm really surprised that I don't hate it. The VLAN
> config is a little confusing, but I just need some more time with it.
>
> The only contradicting documentation that I've found so far is the DC
> inputs. Is it +48 or -48? The chassis doesn't appear to be bonded to ether
> polarity. Floating would be nice. Does anyone know for sure? We're going to
> start with the AC input and move to DC later as we add more switches.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

[Stefan Englhardt]

-13 degree C (=14 degree F). No wind so it was not extreme cold.



The B5s where up and running but they cant connect. Rebooted, changed 
frequency, …

Examined the sites and after a while I connected to the AP with 2,4GHz Managment

The link came back up immediately with strong signal and stayed online since 
then.

The wireless cards seem to work the whole time as there was a spectrum view even

while disconnected.

A scan at the client showed a nearby B5 but not the AP side.

It is a short LOS link with high SNR running at 800/800 with 2x40. Even if 
there would

be ice on both sides it should work fine.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 13:37
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?



How cold? I had a B5c fail somewhere in the 10*F area just over a week ago. 
It's been over 10* colder since with no others failing.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  


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From: "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:02:25 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

Today early morning we’ve 2 B5 links failing. One came back up after rebooting 
the AP the second

after it is warmer and connecting via Managment Wlan

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Paul Stewart]

How many mailboxes?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Stefan Englhardt]

We run http://communigate.com/ for years now. Runs very stable and efficient in 
a VM.
Integrates with Outlook and is webmanagable.
Not cheap and you need some time to learn all the settings but a real 
professional system.



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Stewart
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 14:10
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

How many mailboxes?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[Mike Hammett]

Hosti ng Zimbra yourself is quite reasonable. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Matt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:07:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email 

Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options? 

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems?

[Mike Hammett]

Ah, mine was dead. No Ethernet, no WiFi, no backhaul wireless, just a red 
light. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:08:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems? 



-13 degree C (=14 degree F). No wind so it was not extreme cold. 

The B5s where up and running but they cant connect. Rebooted, changed 
frequency, … 
Examined the sites and after a while I connected to the AP with 2,4GHz 
Managment 
The link came back up immediately with strong signal and stayed online since 
then. 
The wireless cards seem to work the whole time as there was a spectrum view 
even 
while disconnected. 
A scan at the client showed a nearby B5 but not the AP side. 
It is a short LOS link with high SNR running at 800/800 with 2x40. Even if 
there would 
be ice on both sides it should work fine. 






Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 13:37 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems? 


How cold? I had a B5c fail somewhere in the 10*F area just over a week ago. 
It's been over 10* colder since with no others failing. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -


From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:02:25 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cold Weather Problems? 
Today early morning we’ve 2 B5 links failing. One came back up after rebooting 
the AP the second 
after it is warmer and connecting via Managment Wlan 

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[can...@believewireless.net]

Having had bucket trucks from almost day one, I'd recommend it. However,
make sure you get the 40ft version with a 2 arm boom
as opposed to the 36ft versions. Also, go with one that is PTO rather than
generator powered. So you'll probably need a F550 or
equivalent which require DOT and DOT medical card for the drivers. You
might find a F450 version but they are few and far
between. With have a couple that are Isuzus and they get a little better
gas mileage and have a much better turning radius but
the cab-over design makes them bouncy when driving and not all techs like
driving them.

The only problem I have with them is that once the installers use them,
they NEVER touch the ladder again. One thing I hear a
lot is "we can't reach the roof because a car is parked in the way." My
typical response it, "Well, I installed it with a ladder. Take
the ladder off the truck and get up there that way."

Site surveys are quick and painless with a bucket truck. Installing
cameras, putting ballast on the roof, making tower climbs
easier, cutting down trees, all sorts of things. I can't imagine like
without at least one in service.

The downside is that repairs can get expensive. Our bucket cracked and that
would have been a $5000 repair but had a friend
that owns a company that fixes them do it for free. In that case, I would
have sold it and bought another one.

Plan on about $20-25k for a good F550 w/40ft bucket. Smaller 36fts you can
get for as low as $12k but I feel the F550s are
worth the added expense. Depending on your terrain, you can also get them
in 4x4.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> That sounds like it would fall under commercial use.  Might want to be
> careful where you do that and who sees it.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
>> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
>> than a bucket truck!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
>>> truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
>>> one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
>>> or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
>>> the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
>>> it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
>>> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
>>> get LOS.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>>>
>>> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
>>> you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
 $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
 Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
 bucket truck.

 That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
 nice.

 On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited
 use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
 customer's yards.

 On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in a
> galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent one I
> guess.
> On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> 22k for both is a great deal!
>>
>> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
>> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be able
>> to reach some things.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
>>> on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer wants me to have
>>> lightning quick cat like reflexes.  My rotator cuff is still sore...my 
>>> son
>>> in law has a sign business with a 36 ft boom on van and 60 ft on diesel
>>> truck.  He paid 22k for both!!! here is van ...what you guys think?  
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Chuck McCown]

If the chassis is not bonded, then it is just 48 VDC.  It has a positive and 
a negative, but saying it is +48 or -48 when it is not bonded is not 
correct.


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

So, back on the original topic that I started here. I got an hour or so
today to play with this switch. Cisco clone CLI and the web UI is very
functional. Gotta say I'm really surprised that I don't hate it. The
VLAN config is a little confusing, but I just need some more time with it.

The only contradicting documentation that I've found so far is the DC
inputs. Is it +48 or -48? The chassis doesn't appear to be bonded to
ether polarity. Floating would be nice. Does anyone know for sure? We're
going to start with the AC input and move to DC later as we add more
switches. 

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanksgood info
On Jan 19, 2016 6:24 AM, "can...@believewireless.net" <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Having had bucket trucks from almost day one, I'd recommend it. However,
> make sure you get the 40ft version with a 2 arm boom
> as opposed to the 36ft versions. Also, go with one that is PTO rather than
> generator powered. So you'll probably need a F550 or
> equivalent which require DOT and DOT medical card for the drivers. You
> might find a F450 version but they are few and far
> between. With have a couple that are Isuzus and they get a little better
> gas mileage and have a much better turning radius but
> the cab-over design makes them bouncy when driving and not all techs like
> driving them.
>
> The only problem I have with them is that once the installers use them,
> they NEVER touch the ladder again. One thing I hear a
> lot is "we can't reach the roof because a car is parked in the way." My
> typical response it, "Well, I installed it with a ladder. Take
> the ladder off the truck and get up there that way."
>
> Site surveys are quick and painless with a bucket truck. Installing
> cameras, putting ballast on the roof, making tower climbs
> easier, cutting down trees, all sorts of things. I can't imagine like
> without at least one in service.
>
> The downside is that repairs can get expensive. Our bucket cracked and
> that would have been a $5000 repair but had a friend
> that owns a company that fixes them do it for free. In that case, I would
> have sold it and bought another one.
>
> Plan on about $20-25k for a good F550 w/40ft bucket. Smaller 36fts you can
> get for as low as $12k but I feel the F550s are
> worth the added expense. Depending on your terrain, you can also get them
> in 4x4.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> That sounds like it would fall under commercial use.  Might want to be
>> careful where you do that and who sees it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
>>> easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
>>> than a bucket truck!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a bucket
 truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.  It’s
 one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like tuckpointing
 or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a sloped roof,
 the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without getting out of
 it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to get out onto the
 roof.

 For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
 truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
 get LOS.


 *From:* Josh Luthman 
 *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

 What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be afraid
 you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
> bucket truck.
>
> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
> nice.
>
> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited
> use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
> customer's yards.
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in
>> a galaxy far far away I hit myself for that I can always rent 
>> one I
>> guess.
>> On Jan 18, 2016 10:55 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 22k for both is a great deal!
>>>
>>> Just keep in mind any install that you do with a bucket truck will
>>> probably require a bucket truck.  If the thing breaks you may not be 
>>> able
>>> to reach some things.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Considering buying a bucket truck or van as I get older.  That fall
 on ice in Amarillo made me realize body no longer 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Josh Reynolds]

Fuck yes they should. A little accountability would go a LONG WAY with
just about every industry in this day and age.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot
> the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it
>> into it.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
>>> some truly amazing things.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship
>>> > right
>>> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
>>> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned that
>>> > ice
>>> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail
>>> >> arrgh..
>>> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot
the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it
> into it.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
>> some truly amazing things.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>>  wrote:
>> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship
>> right
>> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
>> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned that
>> ice
>> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail
>> arrgh..
>> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would like a bucket truck, Ive used them alot, with good timbers and
planks I can minimize turf damage, though some is inevitable, in early wet
spring in particular. The biggest reason Ive never pushed the boss toward
on is the monkeys we hire. They cant keep their tools in good working
order, and theyre quite often just plain dumb. If we had one, I would put
money on busted hydraulics in the first year, sprung components from the
arm coming down with a hammer in a hinge, and guarantee of one or more
negative interactions with powerlines. Sometimes the only way to mitigate
stupid is to just never give them the opportunity to shine

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Thanksgood info
> On Jan 19, 2016 6:24 AM, "can...@believewireless.net" <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Having had bucket trucks from almost day one, I'd recommend it. However,
>> make sure you get the 40ft version with a 2 arm boom
>> as opposed to the 36ft versions. Also, go with one that is PTO rather
>> than generator powered. So you'll probably need a F550 or
>> equivalent which require DOT and DOT medical card for the drivers. You
>> might find a F450 version but they are few and far
>> between. With have a couple that are Isuzus and they get a little better
>> gas mileage and have a much better turning radius but
>> the cab-over design makes them bouncy when driving and not all techs like
>> driving them.
>>
>> The only problem I have with them is that once the installers use them,
>> they NEVER touch the ladder again. One thing I hear a
>> lot is "we can't reach the roof because a car is parked in the way." My
>> typical response it, "Well, I installed it with a ladder. Take
>> the ladder off the truck and get up there that way."
>>
>> Site surveys are quick and painless with a bucket truck. Installing
>> cameras, putting ballast on the roof, making tower climbs
>> easier, cutting down trees, all sorts of things. I can't imagine like
>> without at least one in service.
>>
>> The downside is that repairs can get expensive. Our bucket cracked and
>> that would have been a $5000 repair but had a friend
>> that owns a company that fixes them do it for free. In that case, I would
>> have sold it and bought another one.
>>
>> Plan on about $20-25k for a good F550 w/40ft bucket. Smaller 36fts you
>> can get for as low as $12k but I feel the F550s are
>> worth the added expense. Depending on your terrain, you can also get them
>> in 4x4.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like it would fall under commercial use.  Might want to be
>>> careful where you do that and who sees it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>>
 For a quick site survey I have been making use of a Phantom 3. Nice and
 easy to launch it and zip above the tree line to see what's what. Cheaper
 than a bucket truck!

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Years ago, I would use a guy for contract install work who had a
> bucket truck.  But the bucket rarely seemed to fit or open the right way.
> It’s one thing if you are working on the front of a building, like
> tuckpointing or installing a sign.  But if you want to put something on a
> sloped roof, the bucket never seemed to go where you could work without
> getting out of it, and the door always seemed to be in the wrong spot to
> get out onto the roof.
>
> For putting a dish on a utility pole or something like that, a bucket
> truck is great.  Or for a quick site survey to see if a small tower would
> get LOS.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bucket truck or vans
>
> What happens if you need to get to that equipment *NOW*.  I'd be
> afraid you need to rent it and won't arrive until tomorrow...or worse...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Nate Burke 
> wrote:
>
>> We have a local rental shop that rent's a 60' tow behind bucket for
>> $300/day.  We've used it for a couple business installs when it's needed.
>> Especially usefull for hauling ballast to a roof.  Cheaper than buying a
>> bucket truck.
>>
>> That said, there are some times when just having a bucket would be
>> nice.
>>
>> On 1/18/2016 12:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Might work good for wireless installs around there, I've had limited
>> use of mine for that purpose due to the likelihood of it leaving ruts in
>> customer's yards.
>>
>> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> YesI resisted buying one when I had ISG but that was long ago in
>>> a galaxy far fa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Ken Hohhof]

It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes at NASA 
and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is starting over with 
private enterprise.

I don’t like the way people universally started to talk about the Space Shuttle 
like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their contractors were told 
to build a reusable space truck for delivering stuff to orbit, and that’s what 
they built.  At the beginning people ignored the risks and marveled at the 
successes.  Then there were some failures, and eventually no one cared about 
the successes, it wasn’t new and shiny.


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot the 
bill for all failures, paid only upon success.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it into 
it.



  On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
some truly amazing things.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

> Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship 
right
> before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
> problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned that 
ice
> on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
>
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail arrgh..
>> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>
>> 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I dont mind tax dollars going toward failures along the road to success if
its a government entity doing it, it ensures as a nation that we own it
when there is a success. I do not like private entities having a monopoly
on tax dollars. There should be targets set, so say the current target is
land a rocket on a boat with less than x percentage failure, here is the
reward, set bounties if you will on the goal. It will still create a quasi
monopoly on the tax dollars in that the tech is proprietary and the next
target will be much harder for a new private entity to reach the target
without the tech, also, the part where you have to foot your own billions,
but that keeps only legitimate players in the game.

I feel the same way about all this fed cash being doled out for interwebs,
the fed shouldnt line a pocket for a buildout, it should line a pocket to
reimburse a buildout after a success, even if there is some initial seed
funding made available, the bulk should not be given to the private entity.
Bu then again, im the type of dick who if I hired a guy to paint my house
blue and he sided it red, I wouldnt pay him. I also would never give a
contractor payment in full until the job is complete, kind of an asshole i
am.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes at
> NASA and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is starting
> over with private enterprise.
>
> I don’t like the way people universally started to talk about the Space
> Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their
> contractors were told to build a reusable space truck for delivering stuff
> to orbit, and that’s what they built.  At the beginning people ignored the
> risks and marveled at the successes.  Then there were some failures, and
> eventually no one cared about the successes, it wasn’t new and shiny.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
>
> I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot
> the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it
>> into it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
>>> some truly amazing things.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship
>>> right
>>> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
>>> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned
>>> that ice
>>> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail
>>> arrgh..
>>> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Nate Burke]

I'm guessing that if they had successfully landed the rocket yesterday, 
it wouldn't have even been on the news.  Instead it fell over, and the 
talking heads were bringing it up every 30 min and looping the video 3 
or 4 times. I feel like there is some sort of saying "Failure is 
easier than success"  and the world today is all about "Easy".


On 1/19/2016 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes 
at NASA and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is 
starting over with private enterprise.
I don’t like the way people universally started to talk about the 
Space Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their 
contractors were told to build a reusable space truck for delivering 
stuff to orbit, and that’s what they built.  At the beginning people 
ignored the risks and marveled at the successes.  Then there were some 
failures, and eventually no one cared about the successes, it wasn’t 
new and shiny.

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should 
foot the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without
crashing it into it.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They
are doing
some truly amazing things.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
> Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink
to the ship right
> before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see
they had more
> problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they
mentioned that ice
> on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing
feat.
>
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg
fail arrgh..
>> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>
>>

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html



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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Joe Falaschi]

Humans think negative more than positive.  I saw this yesterday:

http://blog.eosworldwide.com/blog/180-rule-creative-problem-solving#axzz3xhrPypBF

and it seems to fit...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201406/are-we-hardwired-be-positive-or-negative


On Jan 19, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

> It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes at NASA 
> and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is starting over 
> with private enterprise.
>  
> I don’t like the way people universally started to talk about the Space 
> Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their contractors 
> were told to build a reusable space truck for delivering stuff to orbit, and 
> that’s what they built.  At the beginning people ignored the risks and 
> marveled at the successes.  Then there were some failures, and eventually no 
> one cared about the successes, it wasn’t new and shiny.
>  
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
>  
> I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot 
> the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
>  
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman  
> wrote:
> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it into 
> it.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
> some truly amazing things.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>  wrote:
> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship right
> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned that ice
> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
> >
> >
> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail arrgh..
> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
> >>
> >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X

[Jaime Solorza]

so true...even a joke aboutguy is about to jump off bridge.
Guy stops and asks why do you want to kill yourself?   Dude says..you see
that tower over there?  It provides high speed Internet to the whole city
with no dead spotsbut do they say.. wow what a great RF engineer
No... but suck one d ___k..
On Jan 19, 2016 8:30 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> It does seem to me that people started out focusing on the successes at
> NASA and ended up focusing only on the failures, now the cycle is starting
> over with private enterprise.
>
> I don’t like the way people universally started to talk about the Space
> Shuttle like some enormous failure to be mocked.  NASA and their
> contractors were told to build a reusable space truck for delivering stuff
> to orbit, and that’s what they built.  At the beginning people ignored the
> risks and marveled at the successes.  Then there were some failures, and
> eventually no one cared about the successes, it wasn’t new and shiny.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Space X
>
> I still think NASA should have been revamped. Private entities should foot
> the bill for all failures, paid only upon success.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I am still amazed they can hit the damn ship without crashing it
>> into it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 10:34 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The speed at which they are progressing is astounding. They are doing
>>> some truly amazing things.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jason McKemie
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Yeah, I was watching that live. They lost satellite uplink to the ship
>>> right
>>> > before they landed it unfortunately. Disappointing to see they had more
>>> > problems. The seas were apparently pretty rough and they mentioned
>>> that ice
>>> > on the pad could have been a factor. Still, a pretty amazing feat.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Monday, January 18, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> He stuck the landing, but only to have a latch on a leg fail
>>> arrgh..
>>> >> Look at how close it is to the center of the target:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/18/elon_musk_spacex_rocket_explodes_during_attempted_sea_landing.html
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email

[D. Ryan Spott]

I believe the original spec for Communigate was to run all of AOLs email on 1 
server. I would believe it. Bomb proof. 

The Russian guy that does most of the code is a freaking genius. 

It is as expensive as Exchange but so stable you will never touch it. 

Reselling hosted domains is trivial. You can give admins for your hosted 
domains full reign of their domain and never have to worry about them. 

Pretty cool stuff. 

ryan

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> On Jan 19, 2016, at 05:16, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> 
> We run http://communigate.com/ for years now. Runs very stable and efficient 
> in a VM.
> Integrates with Outlook and is webmanagable.
> Not cheap and you need some time to learn all the settings but a real 
> professional system.
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Stewart
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2016 14:10
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email
> 
> How many mailboxes?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:07 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outsourced Email
> 
> Since Gmail for ISP's went away are there any new affordable options?
> 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] Apparently this has been going on a long time...

[Bill Prince]

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