Re: [AFMUG] OT/POLITICS - learned a new word

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

did he really say copulate?
Id like to think the 6 side broads its somewhat true, then he wouldnt be
such a douche

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Ted Cruz was quoted saying "Donald Trump may be a rat, but I have no
> desire to copulate with him."
>
> Huh?
>
> I had to consult the Internet and learn a word I was heretofore unfamiliar
> with:
>
> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/25/11307182/vox-sentences-trump-cruz
>
> I don't think I can post the word to the list.  Maybe as "rating".
> Meaning political sabotage or dirty tricks, dating back to Nixon.  We
> should probably prepare for a bunch more rating.  And bean spilling!
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

[Rory Conaway]

My problem with the product is the lifespan.  Based on my experience with the 
Leaf, charging and discharging means it starts losing storage capacity after 18 
months.  After 3 years, it’s probably going to be down to 80-90% of storage 
life.  In 4-5 years, it’s junk.   At that price, even if you have solar running 
all day, the savings differential between what you are able to sell with your 
overage and wholesale pricing against not having to buy back energy at retail 
pricing doesn’t make it worth it yet.  I haven’t calculated the differential 
between always buying energy during non-peak times but I still can’t imagine 
the battery paying for itself.  In our case though, with the Leaf, we need at 
least 4 of these to even break even on the energy to charge the Leaf.  Then to 
make it worse, we are probably getting a Chevy Bolt or something else with a 
60kWh battery in April next year.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

That depends on what you pay for a KWH. If you're paying 15 cents per KWH, then 
you are somewhere in the neighborhood of 1466 KWH per month, or 48 KWH per day.

We're on a sliding scale. Lower usage is cheaper (11-12 cents per KWH). Once 
you go over tier 3 usage it is over 30 cents per KWH.



bp




On 3/23/2016 8:48 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
What are you doing that uses 50 kWh/day?

Is that to charge your car?

That can’t be normal.

I think my power bill is around $220 a month, what is my average kWh/day based 
on that?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2.2 kWh
Batts of that size would cost $700
1.8 kW inverter.  That would cost $450

They plan to sell it for $1700.  And they are not saying that this can pull the 
one single load for one hour.
It will store about 25 cents worth of power.

Tesla is 7 kWh.
I use about 50 kWh/day.  Tesla would run my house for 3 hours  on average, but 
since the power consumption is not continuous, when I am actually using lots of 
juice it would probably last for less than an hour.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

I purchased one of these to play with:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericclifton/orison-rethink-the-power-of-energy

I’m not sure exactly how they work their magic, but you should just be able to 
plug it into the same power strip and it will charge, and supply power in case 
of an outage?

All on a common 15amp 110v plug.

We’ll see how it actually goes in August when I get mine.

I also pre-ordered a powerwall like a year ago and haven’t heard much back from 
Tesla.

I would probably use the powerwall in a solar setup combo if I move.
It’s tempting to get a few and string them together for my office, but it would 
take some creative engineering to wire it in correctly on a transfer switch I 
think.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't they 
have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter?  I could be wrong but I believe 
they output AC.  Assuming a typical installation for their target market, 
residential, do they require purchase of a separate DC-to-AC inverter?

They're rated at 3.3kW load (AC) to power a house.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
Only hassle is that they are 450 volts (or in that neighborhood). Big challenge 
finding DC-DC converters for that, or maybe go back to battery-inverter-DC 
power supply design.

bp



On 3/23/2016 6:45 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
$3000 is not so bad for something that can deliver up to 5kW for multiple 
hours...

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/tesla-powerwall-home-installations-are-starting-for-pilot-customers/

I am interested to see the results of integrating two of these in parallel with 
an off grid solar array. At first glance it appears a great deal less expensive 
than buying a dozen 12V 200Ah lead acid AGM batteries to make a string. And 
should last a lot longer in 60% cycle depth daily cyclic use.


Interesting they've cancelled the 10kWh model ($3500) which had a much shorter 
lifespan, the 7kW model is rated at 5000 cycles.

[AFMUG] OT/POLITICS - learned a new word

[Ken Hohhof]

Ted Cruz was quoted saying "Donald Trump may be a rat, but I have no desire 
to copulate with him."


Huh?

I had to consult the Internet and learn a word I was heretofore unfamiliar 
with:


http://www.vox.com/2016/3/25/11307182/vox-sentences-trump-cruz

I don't think I can post the word to the list.  Maybe as "rating". 
Meaning political sabotage or dirty tricks, dating back to Nixon.  We should 
probably prepare for a bunch more rating.  And bean spilling! 

[AFMUG] Smart solar idea

[Ty Featherling]

http://imgur.com/a/4VlsF

This kid came up with a smart way to increase solar energy capture in a
given area. Using mirrors and a tower arrangement he gains both direct and
reflected energies. Clever.

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Josh Reynolds]

... Really?

Better than Bale?
On Mar 25, 2016 9:49 PM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:

> I agree on the meandering story line in the first half. Then the
> ass-kicking commences and who cares. Best on-screen portrayal of Batman
> ever though!
>
> -Ty
> On Mar 25, 2016 7:06 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Batman V Superman
>> OK.  Just OK.
>>
>> Not a clear enough story line.
>> Lex Luthor was great.
>> And seeing the beginnings of Wonder Woman was good.
>>
>> Not sure I would recommending paying for it, but certainly good enough to
>> watch on Netflix etc.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ty Featherling]

I agree on the meandering story line in the first half. Then the
ass-kicking commences and who cares. Best on-screen portrayal of Batman
ever though!

-Ty
On Mar 25, 2016 7:06 PM,  wrote:

> Batman V Superman
> OK.  Just OK.
>
> Not a clear enough story line.
> Lex Luthor was great.
> And seeing the beginnings of Wonder Woman was good.
>
> Not sure I would recommending paying for it, but certainly good enough to
> watch on Netflix etc.
>

Re: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split the Spectrum

[Brian Webster]

Roflmao!!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:30 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to 
split the Spectrum

 

Spec//trum.   Wheres my money? 

On Mar 25, 2016 6:47 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I wonder if Kumu’s technology qualifies?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split 
the Spectrum

 

DARPA is offering a two million-dollar prize for anyone that can find an 
intelligent way to split the Spectrum 

 

http://spectrumcollaborationchallenge.com

Re: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split the Spectrum

[Jaime Solorza]

Spec//trum.   Wheres my money?
On Mar 25, 2016 6:47 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I wonder if Kumu’s technology qualifies?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 5:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way
> to split the Spectrum
>
>
>
> DARPA is offering a two million-dollar prize for anyone that can find an
> intelligent way to split the Spectrum
>
>
>
> http://spectrumcollaborationchallenge.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We saw it as well long movie

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 25, 2016 7:06 PM

Batman V Superman
OK.  Just OK.  

Not a clear enough story line. 
Lex Luthor was great.
And seeing the beginnings of Wonder Woman was good.  

Not sure I would recommending paying for it, but certainly good enough to 
watch on Netflix etc.

[AFMUG] Wow, this is scary. Facial hacks.

[Rory Conaway]

They can manipulate facial expressions real time.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/video-technology-can-hack-faces-in-real-time-why-you-cant-trust-what-you-see-on-the-news_03232016

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches.  But true 
baseball players keep on playing"  - Lessons from Baseball

Re: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split the Spectrum

[Rory Conaway]

I wonder if Kumu’s technology qualifies?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split 
the Spectrum

DARPA is offering a two million-dollar prize for anyone that can find an 
intelligent way to split the Spectrum

http://spectrumcollaborationchallenge.com

[AFMUG] $2m grand prize from DARPA to find a intelligent way to split the Spectrum

[timothy steele]

DARPA is offering a two million-dollar prize for anyone that can find an
intelligent way to split the Spectrum

http://spectrumcollaborationchallenge.com

[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[chuck]

Batman V Superman
OK.  Just OK.  

Not a clear enough story line. 
Lex Luthor was great.
And seeing the beginnings of Wonder Woman was good.  

Not sure I would recommending paying for it, but certainly good enough to watch 
on Netflix etc.  

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Ken Hohhof]

Are they even looking at systems that use licensed narrowband PCS or MAS 
spectrum?  Below 902 and above 928 MHz?  With a Google search, I see there is a 
company Sensus that offers such a system.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

As a result of AEP's selection of the Gamber-leicht, or something like that, we 
ditched 10 AP's and abandoned 900 because it was hammering everything. In some 
areas it was hotter than -40db. Nothing would work.



On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 1:08 PM John Woodfield  wrote:

  Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters



  I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in a 
big way in about 8 months.

  They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then probably 
900mhz from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said they're 
still in product selection, but in other areas they went with the 900mhz mesh.

  How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you didn't 
notice the difference?

Re: [AFMUG] RF Meter Recommendation?

[Christopher Gray]

Whoops, I worded my question incorrectly.

I'm looking for advice regarding which RF Safety Monitor to purchase for
use while working near high output systems like cellular base stations.



On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> here you go
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Wilson has a new one with 700 MHz LTE band included...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just about to buy an RF Meter for use at a cell site, but thought I
>>> should ask for recommendations beforehand. I was considering a fieldSENSE
>>> unit, but I'm open to any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Any preference for a good meter?
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

"The right honorable gentleman..."

I used to love that!  Great political theatre!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Under the Westminster parliamentary system, there’s also “Question Time”.  I 
> guess when you have short election cycles, that’s how you satisfy the public 
> appetite for political circus.
>  
> Maybe President Trump will bring back chariot races, gladiators, and feeding 
> Muslims and illegal immigrants to the lions.  Or monster trucks like in 
> Idiocracy, or a game show like in The Running Man.
>  
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 12:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list
>  
> Makes me want to amend the constitution.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 3/23/2016 8:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> The best part of a parliament system. 
>>  
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:58 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list
>>  
>> I think you guys would be amazed by a Canadian federal election.
>> 
>> There's usually 2-3 months of lead up time to a vote being called, in which 
>> the political parties get all their stuff organized and ready just in case.
>> 
>> Then the actual election/campaign period goes for between 25 to 45 days, 
>> maximum. Then there's a vote, and we have a new government.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally 
>>> enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it 
>>> could turn south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and 
>>> dirty advice so I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or 
>>> useless like dslreports. 
>>> When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from 
>>> religion or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm 
>>> not bashing the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant. 
>>> What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor 
>>> neutral discussion of on topic issues.
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other 
>>> off topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody 
>>> come to a consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and 
>>> opinions who can disagree and still work together effectively.
>>> This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
>>> position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
>>> continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
>>> only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Ken Hohhof]

Under the Westminster parliamentary system, there’s also “Question Time”.  I 
guess when you have short election cycles, that’s how you satisfy the public 
appetite for political circus.

Maybe President Trump will bring back chariot races, gladiators, and feeding 
Muslims and illegal immigrants to the lions.  Or monster trucks like in 
Idiocracy, or a game show like in The Running Man.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

Makes me want to amend the constitution.


bp


On 3/23/2016 8:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  The best part of a parliament system.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:58 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

  I think you guys would be amazed by a Canadian federal election.


  There's usually 2-3 months of lead up time to a vote being called, in which 
the political parties get all their stuff organized and ready just in case.


  Then the actual election/campaign period goes for between 25 to 45 days, 
maximum. Then there's a vote, and we have a new government.




  On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally 
enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could 
turn south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty 
advice so I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless like 
dslreports. 
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from 
religion or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm not 
bashing the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant. 
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor 
neutral discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other 
off topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody come 
to a consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and opinions 
who can disagree and still work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work. 

Re: [AFMUG] RF Meter Recommendation?

[Jaime Solorza]

Wilson has a new one with 700 MHz LTE band included...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm just about to buy an RF Meter for use at a cell site, but thought I
> should ask for recommendations beforehand. I was considering a fieldSENSE
> unit, but I'm open to any suggestions.
>
> Any preference for a good meter?
>
> -Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Eric Muehleisen]

We've been able to work things out with the local power company and don't
notice an issue. The radios that point back to the mothership chirp very
quietly unless they are receiving a software/firmware upgrade. We worked it
out that they only perform updates to their system during maintenance
windows. When they do perform updates, it literally brings our network to
it's knees. They also have agreed to bar channel groups that our equipment
is on.

We've managed to coexist quite nicely. The smart meters are Landis+Gyr.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> After several years of operation, the 900 MHz meters just do not work out
> in our rural area. Even though the transmitter is 30dBm, the little tiny
> stub-omni in the meter doesn't have very good range. With trees, terrain,
> and distances they have to deal with out here, they are still driving out
> to read the smart meters.
>
> It was a plan of sorts, and I guess it works OK in town. But for the rural
> meter reading problem they were trying to solve, it is not working.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/25/2016 11:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I talked to the power company guy about a polling system where the meter
> reader just has to drive down the road and it polls the metersI said
> I'd rather you do that because it's much better for me and other operators
> in 900mhz.  He said, politely, that that isn't part of their product
> selection process.  It will come down to how well it works (for them) and
> what it costs.
>
> To their credit, they seem very willing to cooperate on 3.65ghz
> frequencies.
>
>
> On 3/25/2016 2:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> As a result of AEP's selection of the Gamber-leicht, or something like
> that, we ditched 10 AP's and abandoned 900 because it was hammering
> everything. In some areas it was hotter than -40db. Nothing would work.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 1:08 PM John Woodfield 
> wrote:
>
>> Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters
>>
>> I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in
>> a big way in about 8 months.
>>
>> They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then *probably
>> *900mhz from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said
>> they're still in product selection, but in other areas they went with the
>> 900mhz mesh.
>>
>> How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you
>> didn't notice the difference?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Adam Moffett]

I talked to the power company guy about a polling system where the meter 
reader just has to drive down the road and it polls the metersI said 
I'd rather you do that because it's much better for me and other 
operators in 900mhz.  He said, politely, that that isn't part of their 
product selection process.  It will come down to how well it works (for 
them) and what it costs.


To their credit, they seem very willing to cooperate on 3.65ghz frequencies.


On 3/25/2016 2:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


As a result of AEP's selection of the Gamber-leicht, or something like 
that, we ditched 10 AP's and abandoned 900 because it was hammering 
everything. In some areas it was hotter than -40db. Nothing would work.



On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 1:08 PM John Woodfield > wrote:


Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" >
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart
meters in a big way in about 8 months.

They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then
/probably /900mhz from the collector to the meters.  They guy I
talked to said they're still in product selection, but in other
areas they went with the 900mhz mesh.

How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of
you didn't notice the difference?

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Lewis Bergman]

As a result of AEP's selection of the Gamber-leicht, or something like
that, we ditched 10 AP's and abandoned 900 because it was hammering
everything. In some areas it was hotter than -40db. Nothing would work.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 1:08 PM John Woodfield 
wrote:

> Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters
>
> I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in a
> big way in about 8 months.
>
> They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then *probably 
> *900mhz
> from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said they're still
> in product selection, but in other areas they went with the 900mhz mesh.
>
> How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you
> didn't notice the difference?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[John Woodfield]

Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters


I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in a big 
way in about 8 months.

 They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then probably 900mhz 
from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said they're still in 
product selection, but in other areas they went with the 900mhz mesh.

 How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you didn't 
notice the difference?

[AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Adam Moffett]

I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in 
a big way in about 8 months.


They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then /probably 
/900mhz from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said 
they're still in product selection, but in other areas they went with 
the 900mhz mesh.


How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you 
didn't notice the difference?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

[Bill Prince]

That's not terrible. 7,000 watt hours with a 50 watt load (that's 
typical on our smaller remote sites) would get you 5.8 days run time.


bp


On 3/23/2016 8:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

2.2 kWh
Batts of that size would cost $700
1.8 kW inverter.  That would cost $450
They plan to sell it for $1700.  And they are not saying that this can 
pull the one single load for one hour.

It will store about 25 cents worth of power.
Tesla is 7 kWh.
I use about 50 kWh/day.  Tesla would run my house for 3 hours  on 
average, but since the power consumption is not continuous, when I am 
actually using lots of juice it would probably last for less than an 
hour.

*From:* Sterling Jacobson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

I purchased one of these to play with:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericclifton/orison-rethink-the-power-of-energy

I’m not sure exactly how they work their magic, but you should just be 
able to plug it into the same power strip and it will charge, and 
supply power in case of an outage?


All on a common 15amp 110v plug.

We’ll see how it actually goes in August when I get mine.

I also pre-ordered a powerwall like a year ago and haven’t heard much 
back from Tesla.


I would probably use the powerwall in a solar setup combo if I move.

It’s tempting to get a few and string them together for my office, but 
it would take some creative engineering to wire it in correctly on a 
transfer switch I think.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't 
they have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter?  I could be wrong 
but I believe they output AC.  Assuming a typical installation for 
their target market, residential, do they require purchase of a 
separate DC-to-AC inverter?


They're rated at 3.3kW load (AC) to power a house.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Only hassle is that they are 450 volts (or in that neighborhood).
Big challenge finding DC-DC converters for that, or maybe go back
to battery-inverter-DC power supply design.

bp




On 3/23/2016 6:45 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

$3000 is not so bad for something that can deliver up to 5kW
for multiple hours...


http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/tesla-powerwall-home-installations-are-starting-for-pilot-customers/

I am interested to see the results of integrating two of these
in parallel with an off grid solar array. At first glance it
appears a great deal less expensive than buying a dozen 12V
200Ah lead acid AGM batteries to make a string. And should
last a lot longer in 60% cycle depth daily cyclic use.


Interesting they've cancelled the 10kWh model ($3500) which
had a much shorter lifespan, the 7kW model is rated at 5000
cycles.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

[Bill Prince]

What are they rated in KWH? 3.3KW for how long? 1 hour? 2 hours? What 
I'd like to do is relate it to how long I can run a site at 25, 50, 100 
watt load.


bp


On 3/23/2016 6:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't 
they have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter?  I could be wrong 
but I believe they output AC.  Assuming a typical installation for 
their target market, residential, do they require purchase of a 
separate DC-to-AC inverter?


They're rated at 3.3kW load (AC) to power a house.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Only hassle is that they are 450 volts (or in that neighborhood).
Big challenge finding DC-DC converters for that, or maybe go back
to battery-inverter-DC power supply design.

bp



On 3/23/2016 6:45 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

$3000 is not so bad for something that can deliver up to 5kW
for multiple hours...


http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/tesla-powerwall-home-installations-are-starting-for-pilot-customers/

I am interested to see the results of integrating two of these
in parallel with an off grid solar array. At first glance it
appears a great deal less expensive than buying a dozen 12V
200Ah lead acid AGM batteries to make a string. And should
last a lot longer in 60% cycle depth daily cyclic use.


Interesting they've cancelled the 10kWh model ($3500) which
had a much shorter lifespan, the 7kW model is rated at 5000
cycles.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Bill Prince]

Makes me want to amend the constitution.

bp


On 3/23/2016 8:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

The best part of a parliament system.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list
I think you guys would be amazed by a Canadian federal election.

There's usually 2-3 months of lead up time to a vote being called, in 
which the political parties get all their stuff organized and ready 
just in case.


Then the actual election/campaign period goes for between 25 to 45 
days, maximum. Then there's a vote, and we have a new government.



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I
personally enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I
am concerned it could turn south. This is the only industry
mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so I am fearful it
could devolve into something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away
from religion or politics. I assume others got the offlist
spankings I got. I'm not bashing the current list owner, I enjoy
the occasional freedom to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a
vendor neutral discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or
any other off topic discussion for that matter, I do request
however that everybody come to a consensus that we are all adults
with different backgrounds and opinions who can disagree and still
work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much
incompetent for my position and rely heavily on advice from this
list to impress my boss so he continues to give me a paycheck he
could probably pay a comatose midget who only wakes up long enough
to swear to do the same level of work.

[AFMUG] RF Meter Recommendation?

[Christopher Gray]

I'm just about to buy an RF Meter for use at a cell site, but thought I
should ask for recommendations beforehand. I was considering a fieldSENSE
unit, but I'm open to any suggestions.

Any preference for a good meter?

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Bill Prince]

I tend to like seeing other people's perspective. As long as things stay 
civil, I've got no problem with it.


We did have a rule (as much as this list has rules) that we could post 
things outside of the general wireless/networking realm with the prefix 
"OT:". I know I've broken that rule, so this is a bit of a mea culpa. 
However, if we could stick with that, it's easy to filter out the 
politics, etc. when you've had enough of it, or don't have the time.


bp


On 3/23/2016 7:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I 
personally enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am 
concerned it could turn south. This is the only industry mechanism I 
have for quick and dirty advice so I am fearful it could devolve into 
something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from 
religion or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. 
I'm not bashing the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom 
to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor 
neutral discussion of on topic issues.


I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any 
other off topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that 
everybody come to a consensus that we are all adults with different 
backgrounds and opinions who can disagree and still work together 
effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent 
for my position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress 
my boss so he continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a 
comatose midget who only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same 
level of work.

Re: [AFMUG] Circuit design

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Another consideration would be cost.   One costs 3x the amount of the other
one.   There's probably something on the higher cost one that they need for
that rail, but not on the other rail, so they use two different ones.
On Mar 25, 2016 8:41 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Thanks guys.  I appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circuit design
>
>
>
> The one has a much higher switching frequency which means it can possibly
> provide "cleaner" power when used with appropriate filtering.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Probably easier to ask the guy who designed it, but first guess?   The one
> is far more efficient at low current draw.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
>
>
> I got this from a buddy of mine who is working on a circuit.  His basic
> question is why two different regulators.  If anyone can enlighten him, and
> me, I’d appreciate it.
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm using an existing circuit to create a custom PCB.  The board I am
> using as an example has a 5v and a 12v regulator, both capable of 3A to be
> used for video transmitters.  They both use 100uH inductors as filters
> which is far larger than the specified ones for the regulators.  They
> selected an MPS MP1584EN for the 12V regulator and an MPS MP2303ADN for the
> 5V regulator.
>
>
>
> From looking at the specs, they are very similar in functionality.  I'm
> wondering why they selected 2 different regulators instead of the same one
> for both sides.  This is for a drone and the power source is a 4-6S LiPO
> running between 13.5- 25.2V.  Can you shed some light as to why they picked
> different regulators for these?
>
>
>
> I have attached the DataSheets for both of those regulators.
>
>
>
> Thanx.
>
>
>
> -   Robert Beaubien
>
> -   Sr. Software Architect
>
> -   Kool Software LLC
>
>
>
> “Dear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find your X.  She's never coming
> back and don't ask Y.”
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Circuit design

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks guys.  I appreciate it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit design

The one has a much higher switching frequency which means it can possibly 
provide "cleaner" power when used with appropriate filtering.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
Probably easier to ask the guy who designed it, but first guess?   The one is 
far more efficient at low current draw.

Mark

On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

I got this from a buddy of mine who is working on a circuit.  His basic 
question is why two different regulators.  If anyone can enlighten him, and me, 
I’d appreciate it.


I'm using an existing circuit to create a custom PCB.  The board I am using as 
an example has a 5v and a 12v regulator, both capable of 3A to be used for 
video transmitters.  They both use 100uH inductors as filters which is far 
larger than the specified ones for the regulators.  They selected an MPS 
MP1584EN for the 12V regulator and an MPS MP2303ADN for the 5V regulator.

From looking at the specs, they are very similar in functionality.  I'm 
wondering why they selected 2 different regulators instead of the same one for 
both sides.  This is for a drone and the power source is a 4-6S LiPO running 
between 13.5- 25.2V.  Can you shed some light as to why they picked different 
regulators for these?

I have attached the DataSheets for both of those regulators.

Thanx.

-   Robert Beaubien
-   Sr. Software Architect
-   Kool Software LLC

“Dear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find your X.  She's never coming back 
and don't ask Y.”

[AFMUG] WTS couple FSK radios

[Josh Luthman]

I just want these things gone, just need a decent offer

2x 5750 AP connectorized
3x 5700 SM
2x 2400 SM
1x 900 AP
1x 900 SM

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373