date:20160629

One other thing is that the diplexer is external, and reversible (no 
hi/low radio business). So I assume that the two N connectors go to the 
diplexer, and perhaps the diplexer has the wave guide on it? I don't 
know, I'm just speculating.



bp


On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

2016-06-29 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 6/29/16 6:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:

I don't even care if it's Remec compatible or not. Waveguide-less above
6GHz is just dumb.



It's disruptive.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Their spec sheets are always a serious joke...wait until it actually comes
out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> The picture on their web site shows 2 N connectors on the top. They also
> claim in their forum that it will be in the 15 watt range. That sounds
> implausible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a
> rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
> wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
> connectors.
>
> I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
> put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
> such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.
>
> Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
> bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
> to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> From Gary-UBNT:
>>
>> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
>> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
>> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
>> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
>> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
>> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>>
>> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince < 
>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The picture on their web site shows 2 N connectors on the top. They also 
claim in their forum that it will be in the 15 watt range. That sounds 
implausible.



bp


On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I don't even care if it's Remec compatible or not. Waveguide-less above 
6GHz is just dumb.


On 6/29/2016 6:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


And I bet it's +48.

On 6/29/2016 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


There is an SFP ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 7:49 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" > wrote:


So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables
to a rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more
complicated than a rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two
polarity offset H and V pol N connectors.

I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the
rear of a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.

Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability
on the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi
mailto:r...@corp.coastside.net>> wrote:

From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will
get more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N
connectors relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness
and the ability for the connectors to be weather-proof as a
stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N
connectors we use are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and
they all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have
to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would
have fewer issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] 25 gigabit ethernet is coming - and cheap

2016-06-29 Thread Jon Langeler

Sounds good to me!

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> For the past several hours I've been reading documents/PDFs from the last 
> Open Compute Summit and other datacenter/cloud scale collaborative projects...
> 
> One of the things we're going to see very soon is fast and cheap SFP28 for 25 
> gigabit ethernet. White box switch equipment manufacturers in Taiwan and 
> China have taken one quarter of the data lanes used for 100 gigabit ethernet 
> (which is usually implemented with 4 x 25 Gbps serializer/deserializers on 
> the silicon side) and made it work with a 25 Gbps SFP+ form factor.
> 
> Since it's the same size as a SFP+, possible to build a 48-port x 25 Gbps 
> linecard or switch in a normal rack form factor.
> 
> Already I'm seeing SFP28 direct attach cables for server-to-switch at $59 
> each.
> 
> Breakout direct attach cables that take one QSFP28 100GbE port and turn it 
> into 4 x 25GbE at about $200 each.
> 
> There are 25Gbps SFP28 1310nm optical, nominally 10km reach optics.
> 
> http://www.qlogic.com/Resources/Documents/WhitePapers/Adapters/WP_25Gb_Ethernet.pdf
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/transceiver-modules/datasheet-c78-736950.html
> 
>

[AFMUG] 25 gigabit ethernet is coming - and cheap

2016-06-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke

For the past several hours I've been reading documents/PDFs from the last
Open Compute Summit and other datacenter/cloud scale collaborative
projects...

One of the things we're going to see very soon is fast and cheap SFP28 for
25 gigabit ethernet. White box switch equipment manufacturers in Taiwan and
China have taken one quarter of the data lanes used for 100 gigabit
ethernet (which is usually implemented with 4 x 25 Gbps
serializer/deserializers on the silicon side) and made it work with a 25
Gbps SFP+ form factor.

Since it's the same size as a SFP+, possible to build a 48-port x 25 Gbps
linecard or switch in a normal rack form factor.

Already I'm seeing SFP28 direct attach cables for server-to-switch at $59
each.

Breakout direct attach cables that take one QSFP28 100GbE port and turn it
into 4 x 25GbE at about $200 each.

There are 25Gbps SFP28 1310nm optical, nominally 10km reach optics.

http://www.qlogic.com/Resources/Documents/WhitePapers/Adapters/WP_25Gb_Ethernet.pdf

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/transceiver-modules/datasheet-c78-736950.html

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Jason Wilson

Good To Know.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Having done both it's a simple decision.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 29, 2016 7:55 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> Okay then.  I’ll look at the KP Performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> N don't use those.  They are absolute garbage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 2/5ghz 2x2
>> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 2/5ghz 3x3
>> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 3/5ghz 2x2
>> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like they will all do the whole band
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>>
>> Remotely Located
>>
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>
>> 530-651-1736
>>
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> KP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses
>> to lose.” – Dale Earnhardt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

Having done both it's a simple decision.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 7:55 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Okay then.  I’ll look at the KP Performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>
>
>
> N don't use those.  They are absolute garbage.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> 2/5ghz 2x2
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html
> 
>
>
>
> 2/5ghz 3x3
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html
> 
>
>
>
> 3/5ghz 2x2
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html
> 
>
>
>
> Looks like they will all do the whole band
>
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736
>
> 530-748-9608 Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>
>
>
> They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>
>
>
> KP
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses
> to lose.” – Dale Earnhardt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Rory Conaway

Okay then.  I’ll look at the KP Performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

N don't use those.  They are absolute garbage.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Jason Wilson 
mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
2/5ghz 2x2 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html

2/5ghz 3x3 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html

3/5ghz 2x2 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html

Looks like they will all do the whole band

[http://remotelylocated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cropped-Remotely-Located-Logo.jpg]
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to 
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

2016-06-29 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc

There is an SFP ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 7:49 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a
> rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
> wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
> connectors.
>
> I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
> put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
> such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.
>
> Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
> bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
> to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> From Gary-UBNT:
>>
>> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
>> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
>> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
>> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
>> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
>> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>>
>> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

2016-06-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke

So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a rear
feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
connectors.

I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.

Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> From Gary-UBNT:
>
> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>
> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

2016-06-29 Thread Rob Genovesi

>From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
we use are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA
> connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the
> SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

2016-06-29 Thread Robert Haas

Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.

I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that will 
hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is 
bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com  .

Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like the 
Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited load to 
something like 70'.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> > wrote:

Where you geeks buying these from these days?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

2016-06-29 Thread Lewis Bergman

Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is
bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com.
Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like the
Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited load
to something like 70'.
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> Where you geeks buying these from these days?
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[AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

Where you geeks buying these from these days?

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
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[AFMUG] need 450 SM license

Anybody have a 4 to 20Mb license available? I can repay with a 20 to 
uncapped. Those two are the same cost. Pretty cool that Cambium actually 
listened and is letting us split and transfer entitlements now.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 180

2016-06-29 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha...
On Jun 29, 2016 11:49 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> your radios are going to get hep c
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Security reasons in those areasthe other ones are mounted on sides of
>> building or roofthree more tomorrow if rain let's us.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 6:21 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a reason they want it installed inside instead of drilling hole
>>> for cable?
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>>> On Jun 28, 2016 7:08 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have installed four so far this week in a secured detention center
 with three inside SHUs and they are working great...right through walls to
 a sectored epmp on 45 ft. Tower.   Impressed with performance. wish
 LEDs were brighter...but they are working still learning
 interface.kind of Cisco-oy
 ..too much on itthese are short links but impressive how 5ghz is
 penetrating metal and cinder block.

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 180

2016-06-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

your radios are going to get hep c

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Security reasons in those areasthe other ones are mounted on sides of
> building or roofthree more tomorrow if rain let's us.
> On Jun 28, 2016 6:21 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
>> Is there a reason they want it installed inside instead of drilling hole
>> for cable?
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 7:08 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have installed four so far this week in a secured detention center
>>> with three inside SHUs and they are working great...right through walls to
>>> a sectored epmp on 45 ft. Tower.   Impressed with performance. wish
>>> LEDs were brighter...but they are working still learning
>>> interface.kind of Cisco-oy
>>> ..too much on itthese are short links but impressive how 5ghz is
>>> penetrating metal and cinder block.
>>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

I left an AP running on the bench for a few days transmitting without an 
antenna connected. It was fine. I've had water in coax with APs 
transmitting into it for several days. No harm.


An SM will not transmit until it hears an AP beacon that it wants to 
register to.


On 6/29/2016 9:22 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:


Yeah just keep the default plug in while you upgrade if it lets you,  
then you know it won’t be transmitting.


*From: *Af  on behalf of Christopher Gray 


*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 9:57 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

Awesome.


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


I hope not.  I suppose that if you were worried you could turn the
channel to "None".  If it's an SM my understanding is that it just
listens until it hears your AP.



Christopher Gray wrote:

Do the 900 MHz PMP100 radios have any issues being powered on
without an attached antenna?

I want to upgrade firmware / test an old radio before bringing
it up to the roof if I can (antenna is already up, don't have
a spare at this location).

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Ken Hohhof

Does the company make people sign a non disparagement agreement in return for 
severance?  If so, did the company maybe contact the ex employees reminding 
them of what they signed and suggesting they delete their review before they 
got a call from the company lawyer?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

I've read that some of it is just getting the review site to enforce their own 
TOS.  If the reviewer is using profanity or attacking particular people in your 
company you might be able to get the site to delete it.  That's at least part 
of reputation management.  You can also appeal to the reviewer to delete or 
alter their review, say you're sorry and give them coupons or something.

I suspect it's partly a matter of having enough time to look at all the reviews 
and deal with them.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/29/2016 11:49:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

  I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make this 
happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it mentions me 
by name and I know who posted those.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

  thats shady

  On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of 
companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay for 
this.  

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

2016-06-29 Thread SmarterBroadband

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Adam Moffett

I've read that some of it is just getting the review site to enforce 
their own TOS.  If the reviewer is using profanity or attacking 
particular people in your company you might be able to get the site to 
delete it.  That's at least part of reputation management.  You can also 
appeal to the reviewer to delete or alter their review, say you're sorry 
and give them coupons or something.


I suspect it's partly a matter of having enough time to look at all the 
reviews and deal with them.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/29/2016 11:49:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make 
this happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it 
mentions me by name and I know who posted those.


From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

thats shady

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a 
couple of companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an 
employer can pay for this.




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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

Kind of like Yelp too. Don't pay, you get dinged. I've always felt they 
were kind of a racket.



bp


On 6/29/2016 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Older positive are still there.  I know you can pay glassdoor for 
something.  Advertising, something...

So, I presume they are like the BBB.  Pay to play.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

What about older positive reviews?

I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point. 
Otherwise, how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand 
older reviews, regardless of whether they're positive or negative 
"falling off". OTOH, some way to reduce their significance would work too.


For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5 
years ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have 
gotten only positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old 
reviews to be reduced in significance, or dropped at some point? The 
issue for me is where you draw the line.


bp


On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.ï¿½ Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a 
couple of companies that I was involved with.ï¿½ I am wondering if an 
employer can pay for this.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

As long as it's the right thing ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 12:21 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Are you saying Yelp and Google will remove bad reviews if you pay them?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/29/2016 9:31:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor
>
>
> Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the
>> mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
>> companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay
>> for this.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Adam Moffett

Are you saying Yelp and Google will remove bad reviews if you pay them?

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/29/2016 9:31:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple 
of companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer 
can pay for this.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

BBB says the same thing.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 12:11 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> According to their site, you cannot pay to remove them.
> http://help.glassdoor.com/article/Does-Glassdoor-remove-negative-reviews-for-employers-who-buy-its-services/en_US
>
> Whether that is really true or not, I have no idea.. but they seem pretty
> firm on it on their site.
>
> On 6/29/2016 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Older positive are still there.ï¿½ I know you can pay glassdoor for
> something.ï¿½ Advertising, something...
> ï¿½
> So, I presume they are like the BBB.ï¿½ Pay to play.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor
> ï¿½
>
> What about older positive reviews?
>
> I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point.
> Otherwise, how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand older
> reviews, regardless of whether they're positive or negative "falling off".
> OTOH, some way to reduce their significance would work too.
>
> For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5
> years ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have gotten
> only positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old reviews to be
> reduced in significance, or dropped at some point? The issue for me is
> where you draw the line.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.ï¿½ Not sure the
> mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
> companies that I was involved with.ï¿½ I am wondering if an employer can
> pay for this.ï¿½
>
>
>
> --
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> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Paul Stewart

Reminds me of a funny story at previous job

 

An employee there was some pissed off about a few things they disagreed
with.  They decided to do a negative review on Glassdoor and let the world
know.  They wouldnt put any of their personal details into the review
except they mentioned worked in HR as a comment.  Funny thing was that
they were the only person at that time who worked in HR .. ooops ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: June 29, 2016 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

 

Older positive are still there.  I know you can pay glassdoor for something.
Advertising, something...

 

So, I presume they are like the BBB.  Pay to play.  

 

From: Bill Prince   

Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

 

What about older positive reviews?

I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point.
Otherwise, how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand older
reviews, regardless of whether they're positive or negative "falling off".
OTOH, some way to reduce their significance would work too.

For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5 years
ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have gotten only
positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old reviews to be
reduced in significance, or dropped at some point? The issue for me is where
you draw the line.

bp

 

On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.ï¿½ Not sure the
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
companies that I was involved with.ï¿½ I am wondering if an employer can pay
for this.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Josh Reynolds

We have enough people in jail for dumb shit. Litigation and penalties
are one thing, jail is a totally different ball of wax that gets worse
when jail becomes prison (privately run, federally funded
institution.)

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> I dont like feds involving themselves in business operations, but I also
> dont like false positive reviews. I think if a company is going to use a
> shady service like reputation management they should be required to announce
> that on any marketing.
> On the same hand posting false negative reviews on a company should be
> jailable
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make
>> this happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it
>> mentions me by name and I know who posted those.
>>
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor
>>
>> thats shady
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the
 mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
 companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay
 for this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread Simon Westlake

According to their site, you cannot pay to remove them.
http://help.glassdoor.com/article/Does-Glassdoor-remove-negative-reviews-for-employers-who-buy-its-services/en_US

Whether that is really true or not, I have no idea.. but they seem
pretty firm on it on their site.

On 6/29/2016 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Older positive are still there. I know you can pay glassdoor for
something. Advertising, something...

So, I presume they are like the BBB. Pay to play.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

What about older positive reviews?

I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point.
Otherwise, how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand
older reviews, regardless of whether they're positive or negative
"falling off". OTOH, some way to reduce their significance would work too.

For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5
years ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have
gotten only positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old
reviews to be reduced in significance, or dropped at some point? The
issue for me is where you draw the line.

On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.ï¿½ Not sure the
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a
couple of companies that I was involved with.ï¿½ I am wondering if an
employer can pay for this.ï¿½

--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

Well, they strongly urge their current employees to post positive reviews.  So 
they are gaming the system a bit.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

I dont like feds involving themselves in business operations, but I also dont 
like false positive reviews. I think if a company is going to use a shady 
service like reputation management they should be required to announce that on 
any marketing. 
On the same hand posting false negative reviews on a company should be jailable

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make this 
happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it mentions me 
by name and I know who posted those.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

  thats shady

  On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of 
companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay for 
this.  

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

Older positive are still there.  I know you can pay glassdoor for something.  
Advertising, something...

So, I presume they are like the BBB.  Pay to play.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

What about older positive reviews?

I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point. Otherwise, 
how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand older reviews, 
regardless of whether they're positive or negative "falling off". OTOH, some 
way to reduce their significance would work too.

For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5 years 
ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have gotten only 
positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old reviews to be reduced 
in significance, or dropped at some point? The issue for me is where you draw 
the line.

bp

On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.ï¿½ Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of 
companies that I was involved with.ï¿½ I am wondering if an employer can pay 
for this.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I dont like feds involving themselves in business operations, but I also
dont like false positive reviews. I think if a company is going to use a
shady service like reputation management they should be required to
announce that on any marketing.
On the same hand posting false negative reviews on a company should be
jailable



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make
> this happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it
> mentions me by name and I know who posted those.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor
>
> thats shady
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the
>>> mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
>>> companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay
>>> for this.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor


What about older positive reviews?

I can understand older reviews in general falling off at some point. 
Otherwise, how would a company "fix" issues. So I would understand older 
reviews, regardless of whether they're positive or negative "falling 
off". OTOH, some way to reduce their significance would work too.


For example, if you were a service company, and had personnel issues 5 
years ago; replaced the problem employees (or other issue), and have 
gotten only positive reviews since, why wouldn't you want those old 
reviews to be reduced in significance, or dropped at some point? The 
issue for me is where you draw the line.


bp


On 6/29/2016 6:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple 
of companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer 
can pay for this.

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

N don't use those.  They are absolute garbage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> 2/5ghz 2x2
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html
>
> 2/5ghz 3x3
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html
>
> 3/5ghz 2x2
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html
>
> Looks like they will all do the whole band
>
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736
> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> KP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses
>> to lose.” – Dale Earnhardt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

Yeah, my son that was running the camera was not as familiar with it as one of 
my other sons that has done this before.  We may fix that scene.  

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

Whoever zoomed in and let it get blurry... you can avoid that by zooming in 
first, then focusing, then zooming out.  At least that worked with the 
broadcast TV cameras I used at the local PBS station.

On 06/28/2016 12:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

  Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

  I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.  
  !DSPAM:2,5772d2d8245037468717956!

Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Rory Conaway

Ahh, I totally forgot about them.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

2/5ghz 2x2 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC-XL2450DP.html

2/5ghz 3x3 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//176-SEC2450-3x3.html

3/5ghz 2x2 
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//SEC3550DP.html

Looks like they will all do the whole band

[http://remotelylocated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cropped-Remotely-Located-Logo.jpg]
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I should have looked at the frequency plot.  It’s not bad.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

They only go down to 5.4GHz.  I might be using 2 antennas.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who makes a dual-band MIMO sector antenna?

KP

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I thought Arc had them but I was mistaken.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The winner ain’t the one with the fastest car, it’s the one who refuses to 
lose.” – Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

2016-06-29 Thread Bruce Robertson

Whoever zoomed in and let it get blurry... you can avoid that by zooming 
in first, then focusing, then zooming out.  At least that worked with 
the broadcast TV cameras I used at the local PBS station.


On 06/28/2016 12:41 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8
Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some 
closeups to the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be 
desired as far as overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  
They don’t allow you to manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.
!DSPAM:2,5772d2d8245037468717956!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

I have heard of reputation management companies that have ways to make this 
happen.  Funny as almost all the negative stuff is gone unless it mentions me 
by name and I know who posted those.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

thats shady

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the 
mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of 
companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay for 
this.  

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

2016-06-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

thats shady

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the
>> mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
>> companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay
>> for this.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

2016-06-29 Thread jeff pastuck

We're using their IE4000 switches. All 1G Ethernet and a couple SFP ports
as well.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> The IE3000 and IE3010 would work. We have a few of the IE3000’s out there..
>
> However, if you want MPLS, check out the ASR901S.  I got a few units to
> test of those to replace some of the IE3000’s.
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
>
> Maybe something like one of their Industrial Ethernet switches:
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/industrial-ethernet-3010-series-switches/datasheet_c78-637080.html
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do
>> the basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP?
>>
>> Possibly 1G SFP ports
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

http://store.packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-10-100-version/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Where can one find info on this mythical beast?  i'm not finding it on the
> PacketFlux site.
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> So when will we see the 1u version?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>  wrote:
>> > Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.
>> >
>> > On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?
>> >>
>> >> Jon Langeler
>> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

2016-06-29 Thread Carl Peterson

Where can one find info on this mythical beast?  i'm not finding it on the
PacketFlux site.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matt  wrote:

> So when will we see the 1u version?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  wrote:
> > Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.
> >
> > On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?
> >>
> >> Jon Langeler
> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Matt Corcoran

Yeah just keep the default plug in while you upgrade if it lets you,  then you 
know it won’t be transmitting.

From: Af  on behalf of Christopher Gray 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 9:57 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

Awesome.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
I hope not.  I suppose that if you were worried you could turn the channel to 
"None".  If it's an SM my understanding is that it just listens until it hears 
your AP.

Christopher Gray wrote:
Do the 900 MHz PMP100 radios have any issues being powered on without an 
attached antenna?

I want to upgrade firmware / test an old radio before bringing it up to the 
roof if I can (antenna is already up, don't have a spare at this location).

Re: [AFMUG] Postpaid vs Prepaid / Bill in Advance?

2016-06-29 Thread Christopher Gray

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not only will I stick to pre billing...
it is time to start charging late fees. It's hard to imagine I used to do
all the billing manually.



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I'll bet I may have credited a dozen account late fees in all the time we
> charged it.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:34 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/16 11:18, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > I found a high proportion of people would pay the bill, ignore the late
>> > fee.  Then you would have to decide whether to void it or enforce it.
>> > Paperwork hassle either way.
>>
>>
>> I treat it as a partial payment and it'll be auto disconnected for
>> nonpayment like normal. If someone asks nicely we'll usually give them
>> one "out" per year if they don't have a history. But if they think
>> they're special or don't reach out beforehand or are an argumentative
>> a-hole then they are handled strictly by what's in writing regarding
>> their account.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Christopher Gray

Awesome.


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I hope not.  I suppose that if you were worried you could turn the channel
> to "None".  If it's an SM my understanding is that it just listens until it
> hears your AP.
>
>
> Christopher Gray wrote:
>
>> Do the 900 MHz PMP100 radios have any issues being powered on without an
>> attached antenna?
>>
>> I want to upgrade firmware / test an old radio before bringing it up to
>> the roof if I can (antenna is already up, don't have a spare at this
>> location).
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New PowerInjector Plus Sync?

2016-06-29 Thread Matt

So when will we see the 1u version?


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> Yes,  but wait a week or so for the gigabit one.
>
> On Jun 28, 2016 1:15 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious, does it support 450i and PMP100 in the same injector?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900 MHz Power Without Antenna?

2016-06-29 Thread Jay Weekley

I hope not.  I suppose that if you were worried you could turn the 
channel to "None".  If it's an SM my understanding is that it just 
listens until it hears your AP.


Christopher Gray wrote:
Do the 900 MHz PMP100 radios have any issues being powered on without 
an attached antenna?


I want to upgrade firmware / test an old radio before bringing it up 
to the roof if I can (antenna is already up, don't have a spare at 
this location).

Re: [AFMUG] OT Glassdoor

Like Yelp?  Google? BBB?  Wouldn't be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 9:28 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Odd, I see Glassdoor takes off negative reviews now.  Not sure the
> mechanism but I see that some older negative reviews fell off a couple of
> companies that I was involved with.  I am wondering if an employer can pay
> for this.
>

[AFMUG] OT Glassdoor