Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

[Josh Reynolds]

Ours sat between edge router and core switching

On Nov 29, 2016 9:25 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Are these spliced into your network like a router, or a switch?  The
> ability to bypass them leads me to believe they are like a L2 switch.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2016 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including
> fq_codel.
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or
> Sandvine or Saisei, etc.) use?
>
>
>
> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable
> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could
> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>
>
>
> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the
> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these
> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion
> indication unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating
> buffer fill.  The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers
> don’t introduce much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement
> congestion avoidance until the packet drop rate hits about 45%.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening
> now I’m told
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Procera was/is for sale!
>
>
>
> Ouch ….
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s
> basically a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled
> environment, the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>
>
>
> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the
> temperature specs they want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and
> features
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple
> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box
> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature
> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to
> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing
> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
> with the Procera.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Sean Heskett]

We use 2 control slots on FSK and 8 slots on 450.

As others have said, control slots on the 450 are a negligible amount of
data so why not be generous and ensure that there is always enough for
uplink scheduling.

-Sean

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 6:14 PM Andreas Wiatowski 
wrote:

> We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.
>
>
>
> I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to
> 4.
>
>  I have a competitor that is running 6.
>
>
>
> What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75%
> downlink. What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in
> setting?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 519-449-5656 x-600
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Jeremy]

I am used to AF5X, which will not link up if the frequency list (1-3) does
not match.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yes.  Airfiber doesn’t have frequency lists, the frequency and channel
> width must match between ends.
>
>
>
> I’m operating on the theory that I have SMA connectors on the antenna and
> coax jumpers trying to have lesbian sex.
>
>
>
> I actually ordered the SMA version of the panels by mistake, in the past
> I’ve ordered them with N connectors and didn’t realize there was another
> model number.  But those were for 450 SMs which have N connectors, and
> these were for airFibers which have SMA connectors, so I decided it was for
> the best.  Unfortunately I didn’t check the connectors to see if they
> RPSMA, I just assumed.  This would explain why airView picked up almost
> nothing.  (When will 7.x firmware come to airFiber, weren’t we promised
> Java-free airView?  Using Java for this is awful in so many ways.)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> Same frequency list on both sides?  Same firmware versions?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> Ah... yeah, it looks to me like they do in fact have SMA, and not RP-SMA
> on those antennas... so that would definitely be a problem. It's actually
> fairly common for SMA connectors on antennas to not be reverse polarity.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both
> ends, still nothing.
>
>
>
> So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik
> blue jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment
>
>
>
> I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors
> (actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used
> N connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of
> course now they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve
> got male and female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume
> SMA connectors are always reverse polarity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is
> that you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of
> the link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it
> was an LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red,
> so it's pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've
> never seen it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios,
> it ought to work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged
> into which polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like
> that going on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
> Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says
> beaconing, slave says syncing.
>
>
>
> Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
> jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
> performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.
>
>
>
> The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars
> panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one
> end or something weird like that, do I?
>
>
>
> I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.
> Ubiquiti’s LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.
> I’m not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

[Ken Hohhof]

Are these spliced into your network like a router, or a switch?  The ability to 
bypass them leads me to believe they are like a L2 switch.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including fq_codel.

 

On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?

 

I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.

 

I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator  > wrote:

 

Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
 wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
 wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Roland Houin]

you can adjust the range/download percentage.
for us it would be too difficult to manage the number of ap's 100's & 450's..
just keep range/download the same as 100 series, double the slots, perfect match to sync
 
roland
 
> can't you adjust the distance to make them sync as well if you don't want toadd more control slots? It is my understanding that the main problem thatarises from not having enough control slots on a heavily loaded APis that newSM's take longer to register to the AP but once they are registered it is fine.On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:we use 4 too.needs to be 2x what you use on 100 series if you want them to sync.roland> We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to 4.I have a competitor that is running 6.What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75% downlink.
What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in setting?Cheers,Andreas Wiatowski, CEOSilo Wireless Inc.519-449-5656 x-600< <

Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought insufficient controls slots affected registration as you say, and 
also upstream traffic, since controls slots are used by SMs to announce they 
have data to send and to request allocation of upstream data slots.

 

Given the additional capacity of 450, I thought the advice was to be generous 
with control slots, we typically use 8.  With 100 series you didn’t have that 
much capacity and allocating more to control slots was a decision not lightly 
made.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

 

can't you adjust the distance to make them sync as well if you don't want to 
add more control slots? It is my understanding that the main problem that 
arises from not having enough control slots on a heavily loaded AP is that new 
SM's take longer to register to the AP but once they are registered it is fine.

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Roland Houin  > wrote:

we use 4 too.
needs to be 2x what you use on 100 series if you want them to sync.

roland



> We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.

I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to 4.
I have a competitor that is running 6.

What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75% downlink.
What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in setting?

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600  
<

 

Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Kurt Fankhauser]

can't you adjust the distance to make them sync as well if you don't want
to add more control slots? It is my understanding that the main problem
that arises from not having enough control slots on a heavily loaded AP is
that new SM's take longer to register to the AP but once they are
registered it is fine.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> we use 4 too.
> needs to be 2x what you use on 100 series if you want them to sync.
>
> roland
>
>
> > We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.
>
> I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to 4.
> I have a competitor that is running 6.
>
> What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75%
> downlink.
> What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in setting?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
> <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Roland Houin]

we use 4 too.
needs to be 2x what you use on 100 series if you want them to sync.

roland


> We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.

I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to 4.
I have a competitor that is running 6.

What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75% downlink.
What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in setting?

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600
<

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Jaime Solorza]

Small piece of copper could be used inside connectors to get you going
while proper ones come in Did this once in a pinch on 900MHz link...

On Nov 29, 2016 6:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Yes.  Airfiber doesn’t have frequency lists, the frequency and channel
> width must match between ends.
>
>
>
> I’m operating on the theory that I have SMA connectors on the antenna and
> coax jumpers trying to have lesbian sex.
>
>
>
> I actually ordered the SMA version of the panels by mistake, in the past
> I’ve ordered them with N connectors and didn’t realize there was another
> model number.  But those were for 450 SMs which have N connectors, and
> these were for airFibers which have SMA connectors, so I decided it was for
> the best.  Unfortunately I didn’t check the connectors to see if they
> RPSMA, I just assumed.  This would explain why airView picked up almost
> nothing.  (When will 7.x firmware come to airFiber, weren’t we promised
> Java-free airView?  Using Java for this is awful in so many ways.)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> Same frequency list on both sides?  Same firmware versions?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> Ah... yeah, it looks to me like they do in fact have SMA, and not RP-SMA
> on those antennas... so that would definitely be a problem. It's actually
> fairly common for SMA connectors on antennas to not be reverse polarity.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both
> ends, still nothing.
>
>
>
> So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik
> blue jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment
>
>
>
> I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors
> (actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used
> N connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of
> course now they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve
> got male and female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume
> SMA connectors are always reverse polarity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is
> that you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of
> the link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it
> was an LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red,
> so it's pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've
> never seen it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios,
> it ought to work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged
> into which polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like
> that going on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
> Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says
> beaconing, slave says syncing.
>
>
>
> Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
> jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
> performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.
>
>
>
> The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars
> panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one
> end or something weird like that, do I?
>
>
>
> I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.
> Ubiquiti’s LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.
> I’m not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Control Slots on Canopy

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We have always set our control slots to 3 on all our canopy platform.

I just read in a Cambium notes file that control slots should be set to 4.
 I have a competitor that is running 6.

What is the best setting on a 20 Mhz channel on the 450? 20M with 75% downlink. 
What is the tradeoff with the change of the control slot in setting?


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes.  Airfiber doesn’t have frequency lists, the frequency and channel width 
must match between ends.

 

I’m operating on the theory that I have SMA connectors on the antenna and coax 
jumpers trying to have lesbian sex.

 

I actually ordered the SMA version of the panels by mistake, in the past I’ve 
ordered them with N connectors and didn’t realize there was another model 
number.  But those were for 450 SMs which have N connectors, and these were for 
airFibers which have SMA connectors, so I decided it was for the best.  
Unfortunately I didn’t check the connectors to see if they RPSMA, I just 
assumed.  This would explain why airView picked up almost nothing.  (When will 
7.x firmware come to airFiber, weren’t we promised Java-free airView?  Using 
Java for this is awful in so many ways.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

Same frequency list on both sides?  Same firmware versions?  

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:

Ah... yeah, it looks to me like they do in fact have SMA, and not RP-SMA on 
those antennas... so that would definitely be a problem. It's actually fairly 
common for SMA connectors on antennas to not be reverse polarity.

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both ends, 
still nothing.

 

So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik blue 
jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment

 

I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors 
(actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used N 
connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of course now 
they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve got male and 
female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume SMA connectors 
are always reverse polarity.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is that 
you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of the 
link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it was an 
LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red, so it's 
pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've never seen 
it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios, it ought to 
work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged into which 
polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like that going on.

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a Powerbridge 
3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says beaconing, slave says 
syncing.

 

Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or 
jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF 
performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.

 

The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars 
panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one end 
or something weird like that, do I?

 

I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.  Ubiquiti’s 
LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.  I’m not sure 
what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi 3 gets low-bandwith LTE with add-on chip | PCWorld

[Bill Prince]

I love Raspberry Pis. I've got one running our weather station, and I 
just figured out today, I can load my Unifi controller on it too. I'll 
be doing that in a few days. Looks like more fun.



bp


On 11/29/2016 4:23 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


http://www.pcworld.com/article/3145614/computers/raspberry-pi-3-gets-low-bandwith-lte-with-add-on-chip.html

Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell 48VDC-to-120VAC sine wave inverters and -48

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/29/16 16:31, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Is there any reason that one of these wouldn't work on negative 48?

TS-1500-148




I have a TS-700 hooked up to a NetSure 502. Works fine.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi 3 gets low-bandwith LTE with add-on chip | PCWorld

[Eric Kuhnke]

This is interesting because if you want something for fixed-cost telemetry,
the $30/monthly flat rate MetroPCS (T-Mobile network) plan has a few GB of
data at full LTE speeds, then it rate-limits to 128kbps full duplex for the
rest of the month.

You can still get a lot done with a 128kbps x 128 kbps circuit if it's
reliable.



On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3145614/computers/raspberry-pi-3-gets-low-
> bandwith-lte-with-add-on-chip.html
>

[AFMUG] Meanwell 48VDC-to-120VAC sine wave inverters and -48

[Eric Kuhnke]

Is there any reason that one of these wouldn't work on negative 48?

TS-1500-148

http://www.alliedelec.com/m/d/6515fb317a67534a495c018a048296d1.pdf

https://power.sager.com/mean-well-ts-1500-dc-ac-inverter.html


Meanwell support says no, but its specs are pretty much the same as this,
which does not specifically say "-48V", but definitely works on -48V
telecom power:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ecodirect_docs/COTEK/SR1000+spec+sheet.PDF

[AFMUG] Raspberry Pi 3 gets low-bandwith LTE with add-on chip | PCWorld

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3145614/computers/raspberry-pi-3-gets-low-bandwith-lte-with-add-on-chip.html

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone ever get Airview under the Airfiber HD web page Tool menu to work?

[Eric Kuhnke]

First be certain you have the latest Sun Java runtimes... (Ugh).

I bet you can get it working with Firefox by changing a security setting.
Might need to get into an advanced security settings menu for it.


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-allow-java-trusted-sites

https://www.java.com/en/download/help/jcp_security.xml

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I can't get it to work any of my Win 10 machines or browsers because it
> uses Java in a way that it is always blocked or unusable.
>
> So I think UBNT forgets that we aren't living in 2005 anymore.
>
> Is this Airfiber spectrum scan util available 'offline' or through a
> different means?
>

[AFMUG] Anyone ever get Airview under the Airfiber HD web page Tool menu to work?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I can't get it to work any of my Win 10 machines or browsers because it uses 
Java in a way that it is always blocked or unusable.

So I think UBNT forgets that we aren't living in 2005 anymore.

Is this Airfiber spectrum scan util available 'offline' or through a different 
means?

Re: [AFMUG] Commercial Building Land Contract

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, from a statewide land trust.

It wasn't bad, just they almost completely define the terms in that case.

I was able to change a few things in a sit-down negotiation with the manager.

They had contracts in place with wording for large cell companies, so I had to 
explain that I didn't have 1M income on the tower and building, lol!

They were aware of that because they were just going to demolish the site 
anyways.

So I got the tower and building and set a ten year lease at something like 6 
percent of gross revenue for any subcontracted tenants, and a fixed rate of 
about $7k a year I think.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Commercial Building Land Contract

Has anyone here purchased a building with a land contract?  If so, what terms 
did you negotiate?

Keefe

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Jeremy]

Same frequency list on both sides?  Same firmware versions?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Ah... yeah, it looks to me like they do in fact have SMA, and not RP-SMA
> on those antennas... so that would definitely be a problem. It's actually
> fairly common for SMA connectors on antennas to not be reverse polarity.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both
>> ends, still nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik
>> blue jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors
>> (actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used
>> N connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of
>> course now they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve
>> got male and female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume
>> SMA connectors are always reverse polarity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is
>> that you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of
>> the link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it
>> was an LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red,
>> so it's pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've
>> never seen it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios,
>> it ought to work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged
>> into which polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like
>> that going on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
>> Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says
>> beaconing, slave says syncing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
>> jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
>> performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas
>> (Mars panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H
>> at one end or something weird like that, do I?
>>
>>
>>
>> I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.
>> Ubiquiti’s LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.
>> I’m not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Mathew Howard]

Ah... yeah, it looks to me like they do in fact have SMA, and not RP-SMA on
those antennas... so that would definitely be a problem. It's actually
fairly common for SMA connectors on antennas to not be reverse polarity.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both
> ends, still nothing.
>
>
>
> So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik
> blue jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment
>
>
>
> I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors
> (actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used
> N connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of
> course now they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve
> got male and female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume
> SMA connectors are always reverse polarity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?
>
>
>
> The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is
> that you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of
> the link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it
> was an LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red,
> so it's pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've
> never seen it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios,
> it ought to work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged
> into which polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like
> that going on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
> Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says
> beaconing, slave says syncing.
>
>
>
> Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
> jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
> performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.
>
>
>
> The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars
> panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one
> end or something weird like that, do I?
>
>
>
> I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.
> Ubiquiti’s LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.
> I’m not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Ken Hohhof]

Sorry, meant to say both connectors with FEMALE pins.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both ends, 
still nothing.

 

So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik blue 
jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment

 

I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors 
(actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used N 
connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of course now 
they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve got male and 
female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume SMA connectors 
are always reverse polarity.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is that 
you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of the 
link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it was an 
LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red, so it's 
pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've never seen 
it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios, it ought to 
work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged into which 
polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like that going on.

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a Powerbridge 
3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says beaconing, slave says 
syncing.

 

Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or 
jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF 
performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.

 

The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars 
panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one end 
or something weird like that, do I?

 

I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.  Ubiquiti’s 
LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.  I’m not sure 
what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.

 

Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Ken Hohhof]

Good thought, I had frame length at “default”, I changed it to 2 ms both ends, 
still nothing.

 

So it could be bad radios, bad coax, bad antennas.  I used the Mikrotik blue 
jumpers which I’ve used before with no problems, it was a new shipment

 

I’ve used the Mars panels before, this time got them with SMA connectors 
(actually turned out to be right angle which I hate), in the past have used N 
connector model.  The spec sheet doesn’t specifically say RP-SMA, of course now 
they’re on towers so I can’t look.  What do you want to bet I’ve got male and 
female threaded connectors both with male pins?  I just assume SMA connectors 
are always reverse polarity.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:21 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

 

The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is that 
you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of the 
link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it was an 
LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red, so it's 
pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've never seen 
it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios, it ought to 
work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged into which 
polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like that going on.

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a Powerbridge 
3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says beaconing, slave says 
syncing.

 

Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or 
jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF 
performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.

 

The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars 
panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one end 
or something weird like that, do I?

 

I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.  Ubiquiti’s 
LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.  I’m not sure 
what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.

 

[AFMUG] Commercial Building Land Contract

[Keefe John]

Has anyone here purchased a building with a land contract?  If so, what 
terms did you negotiate?


Keefe

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Host Name

[Dennis Burgess]

Wanting the SM to request a DHCP from a MikroTik and give a customer name or 
account number ot the DHCP server.


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Host Name

Are you wanting the snmp site name from the AP?
�
On 11/29/2016 01:59 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
Anyone know how to get a 450 to send a hostname when requesting DHCP from the 
WAN?
�
�
Dennis Burgess � Network Solution Engineer � Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 � MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
�
For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
�

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Re: [AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Mathew Howard]

The only thing that comes to mind that's any different than the AF-5X is
that you need to make sure the frame length is set the same on both ends of
the link. I'm assuming that it would show something on the main tab if it
was an LBT thing... the AF-5X says something like "radar detected" in red,
so it's pretty obvious... I'm assuming they do something similar, but I've
never seen it happen. As long as all of the settings match on both radios,
it ought to work. I know the 5X's don't care which connector is plugged
into which polarity, so I'd be pretty surprised if there was something like
that going on.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ve done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
> Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won’t work.  Master says
> beaconing, slave says syncing.
>
>
>
> Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
> jumper?  It’s on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
> performance, so it shouldn’t be an RF path problem.
>
>
>
> The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars
> panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don’t need to swap V and H at one
> end or something weird like that, do I?
>
>
>
> I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there’s not much.
> Ubiquiti’s LBT implementation doesn’t seem to have alternate frequencies.
> I’m not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.
>

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Host Name

[Bill Prince]

Isn't this option 82 for the DHCP? 

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:51 PM, Dave  wrote:
 

   Are you wanting the snmp site name from the AP?
 �
 
 On 11/29/2016 01:59 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
  
   Anyone 
know how to get a 450 to send a hostname when requesting DHCP from the WAN?  
�  � Dennis Burgess � Network Solution Engineer � Consultant  MikroTik 
Certified Trainer/Consultant � MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE  � For 
Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net Radio Frequiency Coverages:  
www.towercoverage.com  Office: 314-735-0270 E-Mail:  dmburg...@linktechs.net   
�  
 
 -- 
  

   

[AFMUG] any special tricks to get AF-3X to work?

[Ken Hohhof]

I've done several AF-5X links with no issues.  Today we replaced a
Powerbridge 3.65 link with AF-3X and it just won't work.  Master says
beaconing, slave says syncing.

 

Is there some trick to these other than the obvious bad radio, antenna or
jumper?  It's on the same channel as the Powerbridges which had great RF
performance, so it shouldn't be an RF path problem.

 

The only thing I did nonstandard was I decided to mount the antennas (Mars
panels) as V-H instead of dual slant.  I don't need to swap V and H at one
end or something weird like that, do I?

 

I looked for any config items I might have wrong, there's not much.
Ubiquiti's LBT implementation doesn't seem to have alternate frequencies.
I'm not sure what it would say if it was not transmitting because of LBT.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[George Skorup]

Just the 450d.

On 11/29/2016 2:52 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Is that _only_ the 450D? Are there any other types that can come to 
the party?



On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:33 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:



14.1.1+

On 11/29/2016 2:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

oh nice what version?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


Should happen automagically when you upgrade to the latest firmware.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im
I dreaming?
*//*
*/Gino Villarini/*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[Bill Prince]

Is that _only_ the 450D? Are there any other types that can come to the party? 

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:33 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:
 

   14.1.1+
 
 On 11/29/2016 2:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  
 oh nice what version? 
 On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
wrote:
 
  Should happen automagically when you upgrade to the latest firmware.
 
 Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 
Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com   
 On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
 
   
  Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I dreaming?   
 
|    Gino Villarini  |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |


  
  
  
 
 

   

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Host Name

[Dave]

Are you wanting the snmp site name from the AP?


On 11/29/2016 01:59 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


Anyone know how to get a 450 to send a hostname when requesting DHCP 
from the WAN?


*/_Dennis Burgess_/**�**Network Solution Engineer � Consultant ***

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 � 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 



Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[George Skorup]

14.1.1+

On 11/29/2016 2:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

oh nice what version?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


Should happen automagically when you upgrade to the latest firmware.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I
dreaming?

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[Gino Villarini]

oh nice what version?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Should happen automagically when you upgrade to the latest firmware.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I
> dreaming?
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>

[AFMUG] DHCP Host Name

[Dennis Burgess]

Anyone know how to get a 450 to send a hostname when requesting DHCP from the 
WAN?


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

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Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds- diamond batteries made from nuclear waste

[Chuck McCown]

Sorry, this was from my most straight-laced, pious, wouldn’t say sh*t if he had 
a mouthful son.  Cracked me up.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds- diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

That is one of those things that i impossible to unsee in my mind's eye...





On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:01 AM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:




Dam, coffee sprayed over the keyboard!!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

Steve’s dad to Steve on his wedding day:
Son, a bit of advice, take things easy tonight, let her control things, be 
gentle, don’t get too rambunctious.

Steve to his son on his son’s wedding day:
Kid, some wisdom from your old man here, don’t pull anal beads like you are 
trying to start a chainsaw.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

dude 
yeah
see that radioactive shit over there
yeah
lets make that shit into a fucking diamond
oh fuck man thats awesome (hits bong)
dude
yeah
lets make that radioactive diamond into a battery
fuck yeah... them mushrooms kicking in yet?
dude
yeah
hey, you know what we can do with that radioactive diamond battery? oh yeah, 
you have a dragon on your shoulder
thats pete, what?
lets dip that shit in diamonds
im gonna dip my balls in diamonds

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
Neat meat? 

On Nov 28, 2016 7:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
meat. humans are meat.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> man, humans are neat
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> http://newatlas.com/diamonds-nuclear-batteries/46645/
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ME88nMnYE=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries made from nuclear waste

[Bill Prince]

That is one of those things that i impossible to unsee in my mind's eye...
 

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:01 AM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:
 

 Dam, coffee sprayed over the keyboard!!  
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste  Steve’s dad to Steve on his wedding day:    Son, a bit 
of advice, take things easy tonight, let her control things, be gentle, don’t 
get too rambunctious. Steve to his son on his son’s wedding day:    Kid, some 
wisdom from your old man here, don’t pull anal beads like you are trying to 
start a chainsaw.   From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 
7:29 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy 
nerds - diamond batteries made from nuclear waste dude yeahsee that radioactive 
shit over thereyeahlets make that shit into a fucking diamondoh fuck man thats 
awesome (hits bong)dudeyeahlets make that radioactive diamond into a 
batteryfuck yeah... them mushrooms kicking in yet?dudeyeahhey, you know what we 
can do with that radioactive diamond battery? oh yeah, you have a dragon on 
your shoulderthats pete, what?lets dip that shit in diamondsim gonna dip my 
balls in diamonds On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:Neat meat?  On Nov 28, 2016 7:14 PM, "Josh 
Reynolds"  wrote:meat. humans are meat.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> man, humans are neat
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> http://newatlas.com/diamonds-nuclear-batteries/46645/
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ME88nMnYE=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

   

[AFMUG] 3.5 GHz spectrum

[Jaime Solorza]

Must be a thing... Opening Keynote Address for IWCE in March 2017...

Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries made from nuclear waste

[SmarterBroadband]

Dam, coffee sprayed over the keyboard!!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

 

Steve’s dad to Steve on his wedding day:

Son, a bit of advice, take things easy tonight, let her control things, be 
gentle, don’t get too rambunctious.

 

Steve to his son on his son’s wedding day:

Kid, some wisdom from your old man here, don’t pull anal beads like you are 
trying to start a chainsaw.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:29 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

 

dude 

yeah

see that radioactive shit over there

yeah

lets make that shit into a fucking diamond

oh fuck man thats awesome (hits bong)

dude

yeah

lets make that radioactive diamond into a battery

fuck yeah... them mushrooms kicking in yet?

dude

yeah

hey, you know what we can do with that radioactive diamond battery? oh yeah, 
you have a dragon on your shoulder

thats pete, what?

lets dip that shit in diamonds

im gonna dip my balls in diamonds

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Neat meat? 

 

On Nov 28, 2016 7:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

meat. humans are meat.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> man, humans are neat
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> http://newatlas.com/diamonds-nuclear-batteries/46645/
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ME88nMnYE 
>>  
>> =youtu.be
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Should happen automagically when you upgrade to the latest firmware.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I dreaming? 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 

[AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

[Gino Villarini]

Weren’t the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I dreaming?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Metaswitch and Asterisk

[Carlos Alcantar]

we actually run asterisk for our vm server on our metaswitch.  hit me off list 
I can explain and show you some screen shots.




Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / 
http://www.race.com


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:26:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Metaswitch and Asterisk

I need to put voicemail on a Metaswitch with an Asterisk box.  Anyone know 
anyone that has done something like this?

[AFMUG] OT Metaswitch and Asterisk

[Chuck McCown]

I need to put voicemail on a Metaswitch with an Asterisk box.  Anyone know 
anyone that has done something like this?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Bill Prince]

I'd call it Nintendional.


bp


On 11/29/2016 4:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I think that's intentional on Nintendo's part.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/29/16 6:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Yeah, but you could get a regular NES at a garage sale, eBay, etc.



Still have mine.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

[Chuck McCown]

The best way is to run your rack off the inverter 24/7 so it is always on 
battery.

No glitches that way.
If you are worried about the inverter kicking the bucket, put an ac/ac 
transfer switch on the output that will switch the loads to mains in the 
event of an inverter failure.  A solid state relay would switch within one 
cycle.  Most things will stay up for that short of time.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

Will something like this work to run my rack until the generator kicks in?

https://www.amazon.com/COTEK-ST1500-112-INVERTER-TRANSFER-SWITCH/dp/B006W9SJD8/



On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
I know Cotek makes a 1U sinewave inverter with automatic transfer switch, 
you  would need a separate battery charger.  I had trouble with the Cotek 
units though, the transfer switch will stay on line power if the voltage 
is low, plus I think I had a fan fail.  Generally, everything is less 
reliable when crammed into a 1U size.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

This site has a generator already.  Is there something I can have wired 
into the electrical panel to act as a UPS for certain outlets tell the 
generator starts?



On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Doesn't Falcon make 1 and 2 U versions?


On Nov 22, 2016 4:44 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:


Never seen one. I suppose you could hack it but those things are
12VDC internally (composed of two flat 6V AGM cells) , so you'll be
spending a lot of money on 0 or 2 gauge copper across the room to
avoid significant voltage drop if you're putting batteries remote from 
where the UPS is.



On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Matt  
wrote:


Anyone know of a 1u rack mount UPS that uses external batteries?
Thinking of running cord across room instead.  I have limited rack
space.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Matt 
wrote:
> Anyone know of a small wall mount UPS?  I need something to hold
> the Ciena 3903x fiber transceiver the telco provided until the
> generator starts.  It actually runs off a 12v wall transformer.

Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance dual frequency sectors

[Jeremy]

We have two of them in the air.  They work great.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Sprint does 800 MHz and 1900 MHz in one antenna enclosure. There are
> actually separate antenna elements inside the one enclosure that are
> remotely adjustable. 2500 MHz is in a separate antenna altogether as it is
> 8T8R (sort of like 8x8 MIMO, but different). There's a lot going on there.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:10:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance dual frequency sectors
>
> A friend of mine said he was work on a cellular tower and saw some really
> cool sectors covering 700-2700 MHz but could not see model number or brand
> because of all cabling blocking his view.wonder who makes those.  with
> new LTE offerings on different bands wonder if they will use dual band or
> multi-band antennas?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Exactly as much.  They are the same antenna.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you think it performs as well as a single frequency sector would?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
 I have the very first one on a tower, actually =)  KPP is the only dual
 band I know of that is worthwhile.  IT Elite is dangerously bad FTB.

 The dual band sectors are literally two sectors in one, so if you have
 the 2ghz and 5ghz sectors standalone and they work all you're doing is
 putting them in one plastic box.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 Direct: 937-552-2343 
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jay Weekley <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:

 Has anyone had experience with the KP Performance dual frequency
 sectors such as this one?  I seem to remember someone saying that
 one frequency didn't perform as well as the other.  Any other
 recommendations for dual frequency sectors?

 https://www.kpperformance.ca/one-2ghz-slant-one-5ghz-hv-
 antennas-in-one-radome-465
 


 No virus found in this message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
 Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13493 - Release Date:
 11/28/16


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

[Matt]

Will something like this work to run my rack until the generator kicks in?

https://www.amazon.com/COTEK-ST1500-112-INVERTER-TRANSFER-SWITCH/dp/B006W9SJD8/



On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I know Cotek makes a 1U sinewave inverter with automatic transfer switch, you 
>  would need a separate battery charger.  I had trouble with the Cotek units 
> though, the transfer switch will stay on line power if the voltage is low, 
> plus I think I had a fan fail.  Generally, everything is less reliable when 
> crammed into a 1U size.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS
>
> This site has a generator already.  Is there something I can have wired into 
> the electrical panel to act as a UPS for certain outlets tell the generator 
> starts?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
>> Doesn't Falcon make 1 and 2 U versions?
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2016 4:44 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Never seen one. I suppose you could hack it but those things are
>>> 12VDC internally (composed of two flat 6V AGM cells) , so you'll be
>>> spending a lot of money on 0 or 2 gauge copper across the room to
>>> avoid significant voltage drop if you're putting batteries remote from 
>>> where the UPS is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Matt  wrote:

 Anyone know of a 1u rack mount UPS that uses external batteries?
 Thinking of running cord across room instead.  I have limited rack
 space.

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Matt 
 wrote:
 > Anyone know of a small wall mount UPS?  I need something to hold
 > the Ciena 3903x fiber transceiver the telco provided until the
 > generator starts.  It actually runs off a 12v wall transformer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

I know Cotek makes a 1U sinewave inverter with automatic transfer switch, you  
would need a separate battery charger.  I had trouble with the Cotek units 
though, the transfer switch will stay on line power if the voltage is low, plus 
I think I had a fan fail.  Generally, everything is less reliable when crammed 
into a 1U size.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

This site has a generator already.  Is there something I can have wired into 
the electrical panel to act as a UPS for certain outlets tell the generator 
starts?


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
> Doesn't Falcon make 1 and 2 U versions?
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2016 4:44 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>
>> Never seen one. I suppose you could hack it but those things are 
>> 12VDC internally (composed of two flat 6V AGM cells) , so you'll be 
>> spending a lot of money on 0 or 2 gauge copper across the room to 
>> avoid significant voltage drop if you're putting batteries remote from where 
>> the UPS is.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a 1u rack mount UPS that uses external batteries?
>>> Thinking of running cord across room instead.  I have limited rack 
>>> space.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Anyone know of a small wall mount UPS?  I need something to hold 
>>> > the Ciena 3903x fiber transceiver the telco provided until the 
>>> > generator starts.  It actually runs off a 12v wall transformer.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rack Mount UPS

[Matt]

This site has a generator already.  Is there something I can have
wired into the electrical panel to act as a UPS for certain outlets
tell the generator starts?


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Doesn't Falcon make 1 and 2 U versions?
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2016 4:44 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>
>> Never seen one. I suppose you could hack it but those things are 12VDC
>> internally (composed of two flat 6V AGM cells) , so you'll be spending a lot
>> of money on 0 or 2 gauge copper across the room to avoid significant voltage
>> drop if you're putting batteries remote from where the UPS is.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a 1u rack mount UPS that uses external batteries?
>>> Thinking of running cord across room instead.  I have limited rack
>>> space.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Anyone know of a small wall mount UPS?  I need something to hold the
>>> > Ciena 3903x fiber transceiver the telco provided until the generator
>>> > starts.  It actually runs off a 12v wall transformer.
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] google account security

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So this is popping up on google searches in chrome at the top, looks like a
driveby malware/phishing scam, but its actually google safety check.
Why in Gods name would they do this? We have trained our customers, elderly
family members, and kids to NEVER follow random links, and now google does
this vague "security tip" and undoes all that hard work

[image: Inline image 1]

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries made from nuclear waste

[Chuck McCown]

One of my sons told me a variation of this, I was a bit mortified with this 
coming from that kid.  
So I thought I would share.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 9:35 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

I need to light a candle after reading that... Guess I am prune


On Nov 28, 2016 9:16 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Steve’s dad to Steve on his wedding day:
  Son, a bit of advice, take things easy tonight, let her control things, 
be gentle, don’t get too rambunctious.

  Steve to his son on his son’s wedding day:
  Kid, some wisdom from your old man here, don’t pull anal beads like you 
are trying to start a chainsaw.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For Chuck and the other energy nerds - diamond batteries 
made from nuclear waste

  dude 
  yeah
  see that radioactive shit over there
  yeah
  lets make that shit into a fucking diamond
  oh fuck man thats awesome (hits bong)
  dude
  yeah
  lets make that radioactive diamond into a battery
  fuck yeah... them mushrooms kicking in yet?
  dude
  yeah
  hey, you know what we can do with that radioactive diamond battery? oh yeah, 
you have a dragon on your shoulder
  thats pete, what?
  lets dip that shit in diamonds
  im gonna dip my balls in diamonds

  On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Neat meat? 


On Nov 28, 2016 7:14 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  meat. humans are meat.

  On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
   wrote:
  > man, humans are neat
  >
  > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:
  >>
  >> http://newatlas.com/diamonds-nuclear-batteries/46645/
  >>
  >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ME88nMnYE=youtu.be
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --
  > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as
  > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, but you could get a regular NES at a garage sale, eBay, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:14:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item 


Just like the Atari thing, it's a pretty neat gift to get someone who remembers 
playing the games. Power, AV, controller, play game! 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I think that's intentional on Nintendo's part. 

I don't see any appeal in it. It's far more limited than a real NES and 
apparently not as available. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:01:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item 


They sold out av while back and ebay has then for 600-1000. Pissing people off 
for sure. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Nov 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 






Is America great or Japan? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item 





America is now great again!!! 

-Sean 


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0
 

So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong. 

Everything is retro. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Josh Luthman]

Just like the Atari thing, it's a pretty neat gift to get someone who
remembers playing the games.  Power, AV, controller, play game!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I think that's intentional on Nintendo's part.
>
> I don't see any appeal in it. It's far more limited than a real NES and
> apparently not as available.
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> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:01:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item
>
> They sold out av while back and ebay has then for 600-1000.  Pissing
> people off for sure.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Nov 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Is America great or Japan?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sean Heskett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item
>>
>> America is now great again!!!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-
>>> console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything is retro.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Jaime Solorza]

Right out of Akiras story of Sony book... Think pocket size transistor radio
..control inventory output to maintain price or increase price based on
demand

On Nov 29, 2016 5:51 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I think that's intentional on Nintendo's part.
>
> I don't see any appeal in it. It's far more limited than a real NES and
> apparently not as available.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:01:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item
>
> They sold out av while back and ebay has then for 600-1000.  Pissing
> people off for sure.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Nov 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Is America great or Japan?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sean Heskett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item
>>
>> America is now great again!!!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-
>>> console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything is retro.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Mike Hammett]

I think that's intentional on Nintendo's part. 

I don't see any appeal in it. It's far more limited than a real NES and 
apparently not as available. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:01:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item 


They sold out av while back and ebay has then for 600-1000. Pissing people off 
for sure. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Nov 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Is America great or Japan? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item 





America is now great again!!! 

-Sean 


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0
 

So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong. 

Everything is retro. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Josh Luthman]

They sold out av while back and ebay has then for 600-1000.  Pissing people
off for sure.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Is America great or Japan?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item
>
> America is now great again!!!
>
> -Sean
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-
>> console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0
>>
>>
>>
>> So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Everything is retro.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item

[Adam Moffett]

Is America great or Japan?

-- Original Message --
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/29/2016 12:21:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - hot gift item


America is now great again!!!

-Sean

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/business/nintendos-new-console-may-feed-your-nostalgia-if-you-can-get-one.html?_r=0



So the hot new games are Super Mario Brothers and Donkey Kong.



Everything is retro.