Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Jeremy]

www.directcable4less.com has great shielded patch cables in all colors for
cheap.  We also buy UTP either through Monoprice or Skywalker.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Second bestlink but I would highly recommend the cat6 shielded variety.
> They also have a reseller program which makes things even cheaper.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Show Me cables
>>
>> http://www.showmecables.com
>>
>> Mitch Koep
>> 218-851-8689 cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/18/2017 03:04 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Justin Wilson]

Look at the following in your smoking.cgi


step (mandatory setting)
Duration of the base operation interval of SmokePing in seconds. SmokePing will 
venture out every step seconds to ping your target hosts. If 
'concurrent_probes' is set to 'yes' (see above), this variable can be 
overridden by each probe. Note that the step in the RRD files is fixed when 
they are originally generated, and if you change the step parameter afterwards, 
you'll have to delete the old RRD files or somehow convert them.


By default the step is 300 seconds and 20 pings.  This means it will ping 20 
times in a 5 minute interval.


IMHO pinging every second is a little bit excessive, but to each their own.  
Even on aggressive hosts I have mine set to 10 seconds.  

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> I want a ping to every device, every second. 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you meaning only 1 ping per second to each device? Or is it only sending 
>> 1 ping to device a, then the next second is sends a ping to device b (likes 
>> its not multithreded)?
>> 
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each 
>>> time. Any alternatives or suggestions? 
>>> 
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Jon Langeler]

I want a ping to every device, every second. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Are you meaning only 1 ping per second to each device? Or is it only sending 
> 1 ping to device a, then the next second is sends a ping to device b (likes 
> its not multithreded)?
> 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each 
>> time. Any alternatives or suggestions? 
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Justin Wilson]

Are you meaning only 1 ping per second to each device? Or is it only sending 1 
ping to device a, then the next second is sends a ping to device b (likes its 
not multithreded)?


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each time. 
> Any alternatives or suggestions? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/18/17 5:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Sounds interesting, but doesn’t fit my model.


Also, not many switches 1U that have 48 port all SFP switches out there,
or 48 port all SFP+ either for that matter under $2500.




True, but you trade it for having the problems you're having. ;)

~Seth

[AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Jon Langeler]

I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each time. 
Any alternatives or suggestions? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Josh Reynolds]

2nd hand market there's quite a few. Quanta, Juniper EX4500s, some older
brocade fastirons, etc. I'm sure there's plenty of Cisco's, I just don't
keep up with them so much on the hardware side.

On Jan 18, 2017 7:35 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Sounds interesting, but doesn’t fit my model.
>
>
>
> Also, not many switches 1U that have 48 port all SFP switches out there,
> or 48 port all SFP+ either for that matter under $2500.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:31 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
>
>
> Nice!  Common model of deployment especially with Juniper MX upstream …
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm in the process of deploying something similar for our wired MDUs.
> Each MDU gets an SVLAN and each customer gets a CVLAN so there is a unique
> CVLAN.SVLAN for each customer.  The SVLANs go into a VPLS connection back
> to a Juniper BNG which dynamically creates the SVLAN/CVLANs, authenticates
> the clients vs radius, and assigns DHCP.  I am disabling STP and filtering
> it on customer ports.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 1/18/17 13:33, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.
>
>
>
> Dare I suggest this is the perfect example of a use case for a proper
> metro ethernet switch with UNI/NNI port profiles.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sounds interesting, but doesn’t fit my model.

Also, not many switches 1U that have 48 port all SFP switches out there, or 48 
port all SFP+ either for that matter under $2500.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:31 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Nice!  Common model of deployment especially with Juniper MX upstream …


On Jan 18, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

I'm in the process of deploying something similar for our wired MDUs.  Each MDU 
gets an SVLAN and each customer gets a CVLAN so there is a unique CVLAN.SVLAN 
for each customer.  The SVLANs go into a VPLS connection back to a Juniper BNG 
which dynamically creates the SVLAN/CVLANs, authenticates the clients vs 
radius, and assigns DHCP.  I am disabling STP and filtering it on customer 
ports.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Seth Mattinen 
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 1/18/17 13:33, Josh Baird wrote:
In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.


Dare I suggest this is the perfect example of a use case for a proper metro 
ethernet switch with UNI/NNI port profiles.

~Seth



--
Carl Peterson
PORT NETWORKS
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
Baltimore, MD 21202
(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Paul Stewart]

Nice!  Common model of deployment especially with Juniper MX upstream …


> On Jan 18, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I'm in the process of deploying something similar for our wired MDUs.  Each 
> MDU gets an SVLAN and each customer gets a CVLAN so there is a unique 
> CVLAN.SVLAN for each customer.  The SVLANs go into a VPLS connection back to 
> a Juniper BNG which dynamically creates the SVLAN/CVLANs, authenticates the 
> clients vs radius, and assigns DHCP.  I am disabling STP and filtering it on 
> customer ports.  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> On 1/18/17 13:33, Josh Baird wrote:
> In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.
> 
> 
> Dare I suggest this is the perfect example of a use case for a proper metro 
> ethernet switch with UNI/NNI port profiles.
> 
> ~Seth
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carl Peterson
> 
> PORT NETWORKS
> 
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
> (410) 637-3707 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Carl Peterson]

Second bestlink but I would highly recommend the cat6 shielded variety.
They also have a reseller program which makes things even cheaper.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Show Me cables
>
> http://www.showmecables.com
>
> Mitch Koep
> 218-851-8689 cell
>
>
>
> On 01/18/2017 03:04 PM, Matt wrote:
>
>> Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?
>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Carl Peterson]

I'm in the process of deploying something similar for our wired MDUs.  Each
MDU gets an SVLAN and each customer gets a CVLAN so there is a unique
CVLAN.SVLAN for each customer.  The SVLANs go into a VPLS connection back
to a Juniper BNG which dynamically creates the SVLAN/CVLANs, authenticates
the clients vs radius, and assigns DHCP.  I am disabling STP and filtering
it on customer ports.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/18/17 13:33, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.
>>
>
>
> Dare I suggest this is the perfect example of a use case for a proper
> metro ethernet switch with UNI/NNI port profiles.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/18/17 13:33, Josh Baird wrote:

In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.



Dare I suggest this is the perfect example of a use case for a proper 
metro ethernet switch with UNI/NNI port profiles.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Josh Baird]

In Cisco, this would be bpduguard.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I don’t want a customer to plug in our Ethernet to a switch without STP
> and have it spam our switch with packets.
>
>
>
> Is that just Guard on the ports?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
>
>
> If you don’t have rings, you don’t need stp.. You can disable it…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 4:02 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
>
>
> Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?
>
>
>
> I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.
>
>
>
> Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the
> ports going to other switches?
>
>
>
> And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from
> that port (customer ports).
>
>
>
> I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream
> customer port has a up/down change etc.
>
>
>
> I don’t want those.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
>
>
> Why are you using stp?
>
> On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
>
>  > wrote:
>
> >Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
> >
> >I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
> >
> >But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
> >datacenter.
> >
> >I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
> >
> >I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
> >
> >It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
> >bridge stuff.
> >
> >My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
> >
> >I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
> >
> >The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
> >traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
> >house/MDU.
> >
> >I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
> >wide L2 MPLS network.
> >
> >My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
> >or management or the other switches they are connected to.
> >The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
> >
> >At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
> >mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
> >layer2 network.
> >
> >I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
> >management network.
> >
> >But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
> >goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
> >I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
> >it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
> >disable.
> >It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
> >type packets and killing itself.
> >
> >What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
> >and STP root paths etc?
> >
> >The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
> >another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Gino Villarini]

Port isolation? Limit port to 1 mac?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

I don’t want a customer to plug in our Ethernet to a switch without STP and 
have it spam our switch with packets.

Is that just Guard on the ports?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

If you don’t have rings, you don’t need stp.. You can disable it…

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?

I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches?

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports).

I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc.

I don’t want those.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20sterl...@avative.net>>
 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
>layer2 network.
>
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
>management network.
>
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
>disable.
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
>type packets and killing itself.
>
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
>and STP root paths etc?
>
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D27194.9FB651B0]



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Mitch Koep]

Show Me cables

http://www.showmecables.com

Mitch Koep
218-851-8689 cell


On 01/18/2017 03:04 PM, Matt wrote:

Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Mathew Howard]

www.bestlinknetware.com has the cheapest patch cables I've ever been able
to find anywhere.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> +1.
> We've bought hundreds of cat6 patch cables from monoprice. Have yet to see
> one fail due to anything other than physical damage.
>
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 1/18/2017 3:07 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Monoprice?
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[Mitch Koep]

Have checked to make sure you do not have tip/ring reversal?

Also confirming these are loop start not ground start?

Does your PBx have any attenuation control (not gain)?

The telco can attenuate the line some but it can be a pain to convince them.

It could also be a bad ground. If you can check that, we used to dump a 
gallon


of water on the ground stake (at the Network Interface)and it would go away

Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 01/18/2017 01:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been 
experiencing alot of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there 
is no direct control of the gain, they have provided multiple firmware 
releases lowering the gain to the point we achieved a tolerable number 
of echo instances. The refer to the issue as "loud" incoming analog 
lines.
Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to 
that effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?
our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to 
feed the pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add 
another level of fuckery to the mix


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't want a customer to plug in our Ethernet to a switch without STP and 
have it spam our switch with packets.

Is that just Guard on the ports?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

If you don't have rings, you don't need stp.. You can disable it...

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Don't all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?

I'm talking about best practices for a switch bank really.

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches?

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports).

I think I'm getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc.

I don't want those.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20sterl...@avative.net>>
 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
>layer2 network.
>
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
>management network.
>
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
>disable.
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
>type packets and killing itself.
>
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
>and STP root paths etc?
>
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Vlad Sedov]

+1.
We've bought hundreds of cat6 patch cables from monoprice. Have yet to 
see one fail due to anything other than physical damage.




Vlad

On 1/18/2017 3:07 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Monoprice?

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Matt > wrote:


Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Josh Baird]

Monoprice?

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?
>

[AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

[Matt]

Anyone know a cheap source of cat5e patch cables?

Re: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the lines dont have echo, its when they get converted to si in the pbx that
doesnt have any line control configurations, which is irritating because
the last model did

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Capacitor needs to be bippolar 200 volts.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines
>
> we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been experiencing
> alot of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there is no direct
> control of the gain, they have provided multiple firmware releases lowering
> the gain to the point we achieved a tolerable number of echo instances. The
> refer to the issue as "loud" incoming analog lines.
> Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to that
> effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?
> our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to feed
> the pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add another
> level of fuckery to the mix
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Gino Villarini]

If you don’t have rings, you don’t need stp.. You can disable it…

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?

I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches?

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports).

I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc.

I don’t want those.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20sterl...@avative.net>>
 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
>layer2 network.
>
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
>management network.
>
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
>disable.
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
>type packets and killing itself.
>
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
>and STP root paths etc?
>
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[Chuck McCown]

Capacitor needs to be bippolar 200 volts.   

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been experiencing alot 
of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there is no direct control of the 
gain, they have provided multiple firmware releases lowering the gain to the 
point we achieved a tolerable number of echo instances. The refer to the issue 
as "loud" incoming analog lines.  
Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to that 
effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?
our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to feed the 
pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add another level of 
fuckery to the mix


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[Chuck McCown]

Echo is also a sign of impedance mismatch on analog lines.  

I would use an H pad unless there is DC on the line.  If so you will have to 
have a capacitor H pad.
5 resistors, one capacitors.  Might start with 6 dB with a 2uF caps in series 
with the resistor across the line.  
http://www.nu9n.com/tpad-calculator.html

Use 600 ohms as the line impedance.  
A pad will also provide impedance matching to a certain extent.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been experiencing alot 
of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there is no direct control of the 
gain, they have provided multiple firmware releases lowering the gain to the 
point we achieved a tolerable number of echo instances. The refer to the issue 
as "loud" incoming analog lines.  
Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to that 
effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?
our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to feed the 
pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add another level of 
fuckery to the mix


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Steve Utick]

You're probably talking about bpdufilter:  spanning-tree bpdufilter enable
(Results port to not participate in STP, loops may occur)

There is also bpduguard:
spanning-tree bpduguard enable (Puts port in errdisable upon receiving any
bpdu)


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?
>
>
>
> I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.
>
>
>
> Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the
> ports going to other switches?
>
>
>
> And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from
> that port (customer ports).
>
>
>
> I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream
> customer port has a up/down change etc.
>
>
>
> I don’t want those.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
>
>
> Why are you using stp?
>
> On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
>
>  > wrote:
>
> >Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
> >
> >I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
> >
> >But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
> >datacenter.
> >
> >I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
> >
> >I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
> >
> >It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
> >bridge stuff.
> >
> >My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
> >
> >I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
> >
> >The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
> >traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
> >house/MDU.
> >
> >I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
> >wide L2 MPLS network.
> >
> >My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
> >or management or the other switches they are connected to.
> >The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
> >
> >At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
> >mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
> >layer2 network.
> >
> >I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
> >management network.
> >
> >But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
> >goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
> >I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
> >it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
> >disable.
> >It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
> >type packets and killing itself.
> >
> >What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
> >and STP root paths etc?
> >
> >The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
> >another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Sterling Jacobson]

Don't all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?

I'm talking about best practices for a switch bank really.

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches?

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports).

I think I'm getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc.

I don't want those.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20sterl...@avative.net>>
 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
>layer2 network.
>
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
>management network.
>
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
>disable.
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
>type packets and killing itself.
>
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
>and STP root paths etc?
>
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.

Re: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[Brian Webster]

Maybe this site has something

 

http://www.sandman.com/attenuate.html

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

 

we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been experiencing alot 
of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there is no direct control of the 
gain, they have provided multiple firmware releases lowering the gain to the 
point we achieved a tolerable number of echo instances. The refer to the issue 
as "loud" incoming analog lines. 

Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to that 
effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?

our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to feed the 
pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add another level of 
fuckery to the mix


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] turning down the "loudness" of incoming analog lines

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we have been working with fortinet on a customer who has been experiencing
alot of echo from the sip PBX on the analog line, there is no direct
control of the gain, they have provided multiple firmware releases lowering
the gain to the point we achieved a tolerable number of echo instances. The
refer to the issue as "loud" incoming analog lines.
Is there a mechanism like a x-ohm resister on the tip or something to that
effect to lower the volume or whatever the appropriate term is?
our next step is to just get an ata to run the analog lines into to feed
the pbx a controlled line, however im concerned this may just add another
level of fuckery to the mix

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Jason McKemie]

6.38 (I think?) had some changes with STP/rSTP and VLANs. I wonder if this
doesn't have something to do with it.

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
> I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
> But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
> datacenter.
>
> I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
> I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
> It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP bridge
> stuff.
>
> My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
> I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
> The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
> traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
> house/MDU.
>
> I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
> wide L2 MPLS network.
>
> My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
> or management or the other switches they are connected to.
> The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
> At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
> mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that layer2
> network.
>
> I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
> management network.
>
> But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
> goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
> I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
> it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
> disable.
> It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
> type packets and killing itself.
>
> What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
> and STP root paths etc?
>
> The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
> another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.
>

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

[Chuck McCown]

Sometimes I repeat the same old stories.  Please forgive me if I have told this 
before (perhaps a dozen times).

Back in the 70s when I started in this industry climbing telephone poles and 
digging ditch, it was common practice to either leave the door unlocked or 
leave a key under the mat.  I did more work in empty homes than with people 
there.  I enjoyed looking at the photos on the walls as I knew almost everyone 
in that small town.

One day I had a thoroughly bad idea.  I was fixing a phone a an upstairs 
bedroom of a farm home and started playing with a music box on the dresser.  
Then I decided to take it apart for some reason.  I had it in a dozen pieces as 
the wife drove in the driveway.  It is like one of those spy thrillers where 
you almost got caught.  I was just closing the lid on the thing as she walked 
in.  

Had another farm wife proposition me in her bedroom.  She was about 30-40 years 
older than me, not easy on the eyes at all (shudder).  There were, however, 
 other women at home in the mornings still in their night gowns and drinking 
coffee.  Too bad none of those were feeling a bit frisky.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

We get asked this almost every job.  Around here they just trust everybody.  We 
will not do the job without an adult in the home.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jesse DuPont  
wrote:

  Yeah, that's a no-no for us, too. If someone is going to be home, have to be 
at least 18.


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


  On 1/17/17 11:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

nope nope nope 
too much liability

these folks that leave their kids home alone to meet strangers are out of 
their minds

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:

  They still have to access the inside of the home don't they?

  Jesse DuPont wrote:

Sometime we will have an installer stop by when they are home, ahead of 
their scheduled install, to talk things through and reach consensus, then show 
up on install day and do the job without them home.

*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 1/17/17 8:30 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

  I Agree its a silly question for a new service installation. We do 
occasionally schedule service calls without a customer being home if we are 
fairly certian it is an outside issue (antenna realign or swap radio etc).

  What bothers me is the customers who schedule something where we tell 
them they need to be home, and tech shows up and there's an 11 and 13 year old 
kid there alone. Our policy is always need to have someone 18+ and for a new 
install, the person ordering service has to be there.

  On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Actually, I think that a significant number of our subscribers
  akin our service to "satellite", as that's the term they use to
  refer to the thing on their roof.

  On your second point, I completely agree.


  bp
  


  On 1/17/2017 7:12 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

  Remember your service is wireless. The average consumer
  thinks that is something like cellular in their mind, to them
  it would be like you just shipping them a hotspot and it just
  works like cellular companies do.

  WISP infrastructure is still not completely understood as
  compared to cable or DSL  even for many who have the
  service.  I know a lot of people in telecommunications that
  don't understand WISP technology deployments.





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-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

[Jeremy]

We get asked this almost every job.  Around here they just trust
everybody.  We will not do the job without an adult in the home.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jesse DuPont <
jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:

> Yeah, that's a no-no for us, too. If someone is going to be home, have to
> be at least 18.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 1/17/17 11:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> nope nope nope
> too much liability
>
> these folks that leave their kids home alone to meet strangers are out of
> their minds
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> They still have to access the inside of the home don't they?
>>
>> Jesse DuPont wrote:
>>
>>> Sometime we will have an installer stop by when they are home, ahead of
>>> their scheduled install, to talk things through and reach consensus, then
>>> show up on install day and do the job without them home.
>>>
>>> *_Jesse DuPont_*
>>>
>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>>
>>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>>
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>>
>>> On 1/17/17 8:30 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>>>
 I Agree its a silly question for a new service installation. We do
 occasionally schedule service calls without a customer being home if we are
 fairly certian it is an outside issue (antenna realign or swap radio etc).

 What bothers me is the customers who schedule something where we tell
 them they need to be home, and tech shows up and there's an 11 and 13 year
 old kid there alone. Our policy is always need to have someone 18+ and for
 a new install, the person ordering service has to be there.

 On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Bill Prince >>> > wrote:

 Actually, I think that a significant number of our subscribers
 akin our service to "satellite", as that's the term they use to
 refer to the thing on their roof.

 On your second point, I completely agree.


 bp
 


 On 1/17/2017 7:12 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

 Remember your service is wireless. The average consumer
 thinks that is something like cellular in their mind, to them
 it would be like you just shipping them a hotspot and it just
 works like cellular companies do.

 WISP infrastructure is still not completely understood as
 compared to cable or DSL  even for many who have the
 service.  I know a lot of people in telecommunications that
 don't understand WISP technology deployments.




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Re: [AFMUG] Advanced cat5 cable tester at affordable price

[Hanson]

I'd like to know this too!

Thanks!


On 1/14/2017 9:56 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

How good are they or how useful is the graphical the?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:



Same here. I got in on their initial round with Indegogo.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Saturday, January 14, 2017 6:28:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Advanced cat5 cable tester at affordable price

We have 2 units , so far so good

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
behalf of "timothy com>" >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: [AFMUG] Advanced cat5 cable tester at affordable price

Came across this smartphone powered cat5 tester looks really cool

http://pockethernet.com/#features

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Jon Langeler]

What's the device logs saying? Mikrotik will say which port it's detecting a 
loop on. Hopefully the same with your other devices. I've seen faulty Mikrotik 
equipment cause this.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
> 
> I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
> 
> But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a 
> datacenter.
> 
> I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
> 
> I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
> 
> It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP bridge 
> stuff.
> 
> My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
> 
> I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
> 
> The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer 
> traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their house/MDU.
> 
> I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area 
> wide L2 MPLS network.
> 
> My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data or 
> management or the other switches they are connected to.
> The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
> 
> At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted mikrotik 
> that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that layer2 network.
> 
> I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed 
> management network.
> 
> But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just 
> goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
> I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like it's 
> built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I disable.
> It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP type 
> packets and killing itself.
> 
> What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards and 
> STP root paths etc?
> 
> The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or another 
> switch, the rest are customer facing ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Gino Villarini]

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that
>layer2 network.
>
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed
>management network.
>
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds.
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I
>disable.
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP
>type packets and killing itself.
>
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards
>and STP root paths etc?
>
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

[Harold Bledsoe]

The home router form-factor is a recent addition:

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/gateway-ac1200/

So it is more like a home router with enterprise wireless features I
suppose.  It turned out that what we had for the enterprise side was really
close to an awesome managed WiFi product for service providers too.

The hardware is a means to an end though.  Our focus right now (and the
past year or so) is adding a ton more applications to cover a lot more
verticals - to basically convert it into a revenue generation platform for
you.

The analogy I like to use is the flip phone.  No one really uses those
anymore because the phone now is a lot more than just something to make
phone calls.  The WiFi router/gateway should follow the same idea - it
should be more than just a connection.

Anyone that wants one to try, shoot me an email offlist with shipping
info.  We have a batch of them that we can send out (first come, first
serve).

Thanks,
-Hal

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:45 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Harold,
>
> Can you elaborate further on the gateway you're referring to? I thought
> you guys only had access points, not home routers.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:17 AM Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
> This.
>
> I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet
> connection, if the last foot (e.g. bad WiFi) is bad, the average customer
> is going to assume the internet connection is bad.
>
> Managed WiFi gives you the visibility you need to know what is going on
> and a chance to fix it without a truck roll.
>
> If anyone wants to try out our new gateway I'm happy to provide one so you
> can see the difference.  Every one of my family members has one of our
> gateways just so I don't have to do another one of those painful phone
> support calls.  ;-)
>
> > There's about 100 other selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> Yep, and we see this as the next huge value-add for ISPs - add more
> services through applications delivered over your service.  Up-sell
> family-safe internet to your resi customers.  Up-sell shop/restaurant/gym
> customers to enhanced guest WiFi with business intelligence and social
> marketing.  Up-sell SMB customers with network level anti-virus and
> anti-malware.  Etc. etc.
>
> If you aren't adding another $20-30 of monthly recurring revenue on top of
> the internet service you provide, then you are leaving money on the table.
> I boldly say this based on the ISP customers we have that are doing just
> this and tearing it up!
>
> -Hal
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> They can call us anytime the want for help with our router (almost zero
> calls per month)  if it dies we replace it (1 per year)
>
> Selling point is they don't have to talk to [insert router brand here] who
> will charge them $150 for the first support call.  There's about 100 other
> selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> When they resist going for it we give them a free 1 month no obligation
> trial...they never want to give the router back.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> What kind of support is included with managed routers? Selling points?
> What happens if the router dies over a weekend?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> 844E is less than $150
>
> we buy direct from calix
>
> we charge $99 "setup fee" and $12/mo for our "managed wifi" service. (we
> retain ownership of all hardware)
>
> excellent take rate so far  :-)
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What's the price on a 844E?
> Vendor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yeah the cloud software is what makes calix awesome.
>
> The hardware is high end 802.11ac gear.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:58 PM David Kunat  wrote:
>
> Do you use their cloud management with the 844E?
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Calix 844E
>
>
> - Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What does everyone use/offer for managed customer routers?
>
>
>
> We use the Cambium R200P router currently, however we are looking for
>
> one with better wireless range. In general circumstances the router
>
> works fine, but we are looking for a good all in one, manageable
>
> router with excellent range - and maybe dual band (I know the R201P
>
> exists). The R200P seems pricey for simply single band 2.4ghz.
>
>
>
> Not too hung up on the ability to power the CPE through the router.
>
> Poe bricks are fine.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>