Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Adam Moffett]

You beat me to it.


-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 10:18:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148


You mean the AD-155C? I have one sitting on my desk for a project.

On 2/6/2017 8:06 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

I wish there was a 48vdc version of the AD-155B.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:
The BCMU360 is decent for small to medium sized sites. And it's 
jumper selectable between 24 and 48 volts. There's an internal DC-DC 
converter to take the 12VDC battery up to your selected output. The 
charging is limited to 12W. I have a few with 30-40Ah of battery 
connected. Recharge time is usually 12-14 hours. I had a 95W site 
running on the 37Ah for almost 5 hours. It never went down. Again, 
read the fine print. It's limited to 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 
minutes. If it's in a not so temperature controlled cabinet, don't 
even try to put more than 200-225 watts of gear on it. I have a few 
sites running a couple ApexPlus radios (75W a piece x 2) and other 
misc stuff, 450APs and a couple ePMP PTPs. It's near the limit.


The regular BCM is a different story. There doesn't appear to be any 
charge current limiting. I'm fairly sure I killed a TSP360. I hooked 
up a string of 20Ah batteries to a BCM48 and it was pulling 10-12 
amps out of the power supply. I could smell it starting to cook. I 
gave up on it. I do only the BCMU360 and a Mean Well SDR-240-48 now. 
Really small cheap-o sites get Mean Well AD-155's.


For anything over 200 watts, do yourself a favor now and look at real 
rectifier solutions from Alpha, Eltek, Emerson or the new ICT 1U 
shelf which looks pretty good. That's where I'm going for the sites 
that need more power and/or more run time. A good rectifier shelf 
will have no problem with 100+ Ah of batteries and proper maintenance 
of them, like equalization, etc.


On 2/6/2017 3:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the 
string of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an 
issue (and it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm 
not sure if there are other problems with using a large string like 
that on the BCM - but maybe someone more knowledgeable like George 
or Ken can chime in?


Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.

We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't 
really care how long the charge time is.


How are we pushing it other than the recharge time?  If we're doing 
something wrong I really do want to know.




-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that 
large of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably 
would), it would likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah 
batteries.  You may want to take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the 
new ICT shelf that was recently announced on this list.


The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even 
been told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall  
wrote:
48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah 
batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



How large are your batteries?  How large the load?



On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  
wrote:


Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way 
through.  It seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  
But the BCM is.   Someone suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or 
TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in place,




What say you?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George 
Skorup

Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as 
good?


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George 
Skorup

Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

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PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[George Skorup]

I see Zhone has an outdoor NID that takes an SFP now. ZNID-GE something 
or other. I imagine it's fairly pricey though.


On 2/6/2017 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

All of these things.

I use flat drop and strip it down to the buffer tube upon entry to the 
enclosure.  A way to attach the strength members a few inches inside 
of the cable entry port would be nice, accepting 1" conduit would be 
helpful as well.


Also, there needs to be an easy way to pull and replace the 
electronics without having to change the enclosure or re-splice.


I pay about $65 for the RB260GS and a Corning enclosure, but you could 
get a bit more if everything was integrated properly.


-Jason

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:


Hardware wise, I need it to have a good splice tray or system
integrated.

Our fiber drop cable is bigger than a buffer tube, lol!

So these other guys outdoor units already miss the boat by not
understanding that.

Ideally it would have a way to attach to the wall and have a
conduit entry, maybe an inch or inch and half to secure directly
to the conduit so it’s a ‘closed’ conduit system.

The tray area needs to be able to handle a bit of 2-4 strand or
two buffer tubes of 2 strands each.

We only terminate one strand for BIDI, but have two or four
included in the drop as backup.

Again, the drop fiber outer diameter is at least a quarter inch wide.

It would ideally have secure tie down points for the drop fiber
outer casing, and maybe clear tray cover for the inner tubes and
fiber.

Needs a tie down for the splice because we fusion on a length of
patch LC cable to it.

Power wise, POE is great, but would be nice to have both external
AND POE available for redundancy.

I don’t need POE out at all, I’m not doing radio stuff, I just use
it as demarcation and convert to existing Ethernet at the side of
the house.

I need a way to attach an asset tag to it so I cannot be opened
without breaking the tag.

Our plastic tag feeds are about 1/8 inch round.

It might also be nice if there were a back side feed to bring the
Ethernet in directly from the back part of the unit somewhere.

I mean, to mount the NID directly on top of where the Ethernet
from the unit/house comes out.

Most of the Ethernet we work with is indoor that’s left dangling
outdoors for years.

We usually put a box over it and use liquitight conduit to bring
the Ethernet to the NID.

Functionally it must be able to convert a full 1Gbps FDX of
course, but I assume your device already does that.

Management wise I would need SNMP and VLAN capable IP
assignment/management.

I don’t use a lot of the features of the RB260GS, but I do use the
neighborhood discovery name.

I do use filtering to disallow DHCP advertising in case they plug
the Ethernet into the LAN side of their network.

I also use the basic throttling on the web page to take it down to
110Mbps up and down from 100Mbps.

And finally, if you had this same thing in a bigger model
accepting a SFP+ module with 10Gbps switching on around 8 GigE
ports with the same features I would use that as well.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 6:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Sure, why not. What all do you need it to do?

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM Sterling Jacobson
> wrote:

Nice.

The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters
is that they are not manageable.

For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with
monitoring (SNMP) built in.

It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID
enclosure.

It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of
this together into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and
manageable with SNMP.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

We have something similar too and available in qty as well.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/


Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson
> wrote:

I forgot about those.

I’ll have to look around.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[George Skorup]

You mean the AD-155C? I have one sitting on my desk for a project.

On 2/6/2017 8:06 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

I wish there was a 48vdc version of the AD-155B.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


The BCMU360 is decent for small to medium sized sites. And it's
jumper selectable between 24 and 48 volts. There's an internal
DC-DC converter to take the 12VDC battery up to your selected
output. The charging is limited to 12W. I have a few with 30-40Ah
of battery connected. Recharge time is usually 12-14 hours. I had
a 95W site running on the 37Ah for almost 5 hours. It never went
down. Again, read the fine print. It's limited to 240W continuous
and 360W for 3.5 minutes. If it's in a not so temperature
controlled cabinet, don't even try to put more than 200-225 watts
of gear on it. I have a few sites running a couple ApexPlus radios
(75W a piece x 2) and other misc stuff, 450APs and a couple ePMP
PTPs. It's near the limit.

The regular BCM is a different story. There doesn't appear to be
any charge current limiting. I'm fairly sure I killed a TSP360. I
hooked up a string of 20Ah batteries to a BCM48 and it was pulling
10-12 amps out of the power supply. I could smell it starting to
cook. I gave up on it. I do only the BCMU360 and a Mean Well
SDR-240-48 now. Really small cheap-o sites get Mean Well AD-155's.

For anything over 200 watts, do yourself a favor now and look at
real rectifier solutions from Alpha, Eltek, Emerson or the new ICT
1U shelf which looks pretty good. That's where I'm going for the
sites that need more power and/or more run time. A good rectifier
shelf will have no problem with 100+ Ah of batteries and proper
maintenance of them, like equalization, etc.

On 2/6/2017 3:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge
the string of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like
that is an issue (and it's not in my environment most of the time
either).  I'm not sure if there are other problems with using a
large string like that on the BCM - but maybe someone more
knowledgeable like George or Ken can chime in?

Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I
don't really care how long the charge time is.
How are we pushing it other than the recharge time?  If we're
doing something wrong I really do want to know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for
that large of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it
probably would), it would likely take weeks to charge a
string of 4x100Ah batteries.  You may want to take a look at
Eltek/Emerson or the new ICT shelf that was recently
announced on this list.

The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have
even been told this is pushing it, especially with decent
charge times.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall
> wrote:

48v. can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120
to 150ah batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving
to 4)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP
360-148

How large are your batteries? How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall
> wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling
my way through. It seems like power supply itself is
not relevant.  But the BCM is. Someone suggested
using a TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already
have 2 or 4 batteries in place,

What say you?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *George
Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

[Josh Luthman]

Those are so cool.

There was one in Chicago real recently, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 6, 2017 6:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I found them.
>
>
>
> I posted them to my youtube:
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/RzGWGkpyJBc
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/NZfAID20iXQ
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling
>
>
>
> Somewhere.
>
>
>
> That was in Nov of 2009 I think.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling
>
>
>
> Did you save that video of the meteor passing West Mountain?
>

[AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/atandt-buys-fibertower-for-5g-spectrum/d/d-id/730026

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing"

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[David Milholen]

It just goes to show how FAT America has become LOL



On 2/6/2017 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://peeringdb.com/ix/26
https://peeringdb.com/ix/31

Sort by speed. Note that companies will have multiple IPs, so multiple 
entries and multiple LAGs.


For instance, Apple has 4x 300 Gig LAGs on DE-CIX.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 1:32:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

Wait until you see the traffic chart for Netflix or Google (Youtube) 
traffic flows at a major IX point... We're talking about N number of 
100GbE connections to the peering/IX fabric switch, where N is 
frequently a number larger than 1.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and
deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our
upstream BW be stream BW X # of streams.  Each stream has its own
session, right?
So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN
cannot possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always
presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet? 
Hard enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.

There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I
have just been unaware of.





--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Josh Baird]

I wish there was a 48vdc version of the AD-155B.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> The BCMU360 is decent for small to medium sized sites. And it's jumper
> selectable between 24 and 48 volts. There's an internal DC-DC converter to
> take the 12VDC battery up to your selected output. The charging is limited
> to 12W. I have a few with 30-40Ah of battery connected. Recharge time is
> usually 12-14 hours. I had a 95W site running on the 37Ah for almost 5
> hours. It never went down. Again, read the fine print. It's limited to 240W
> continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. If it's in a not so temperature
> controlled cabinet, don't even try to put more than 200-225 watts of gear
> on it. I have a few sites running a couple ApexPlus radios (75W a piece x
> 2) and other misc stuff, 450APs and a couple ePMP PTPs. It's near the limit.
>
> The regular BCM is a different story. There doesn't appear to be any
> charge current limiting. I'm fairly sure I killed a TSP360. I hooked up a
> string of 20Ah batteries to a BCM48 and it was pulling 10-12 amps out of
> the power supply. I could smell it starting to cook. I gave up on it. I do
> only the BCMU360 and a Mean Well SDR-240-48 now. Really small cheap-o sites
> get Mean Well AD-155's.
>
> For anything over 200 watts, do yourself a favor now and look at real
> rectifier solutions from Alpha, Eltek, Emerson or the new ICT 1U shelf
> which looks pretty good. That's where I'm going for the sites that need
> more power and/or more run time. A good rectifier shelf will have no
> problem with 100+ Ah of batteries and proper maintenance of them, like
> equalization, etc.
>
> On 2/6/2017 3:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the string
> of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an issue (and
> it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm not sure if there
> are other problems with using a large string like that on the BCM - but
> maybe someone more knowledgeable like George or Ken can chime in?
>
> Josh
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
>>
>> We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't really
>> care how long the charge time is.
>>
>> How are we pushing it other than the recharge time?  If we're doing
>> something wrong I really do want to know.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Baird" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>
>>
>> Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that large
>> of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably would), it would
>> likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah batteries.  You may want to
>> take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the new ICT shelf that was recently
>> announced on this list.
>>
>> The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even been
>> told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> 48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah
>>> batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How large are your batteries?  How large the load?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It
>>> seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone
>>> suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2
>>> or 4 batteries in place,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>>
>>> The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Or Mean Well HRP series.
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *George Skorup
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[David Milholen]

Cincinnati for sure!



On 2/6/2017 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Pretty sure that is from WKRP...

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

There was an older story that was about frozen vs. thawed birds going
into turbines..   it's on snopes...   I heard about that back in the
80's before I ever heard about the canopy version...  pre internet for 
sure..  maybe usenet...


On 02/06/2017 09:49 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm not sure what you're telling me now. A drone in a turbine would
be terrible for sure, I don't think anybody's disputing that. I'm
sure a bird is bad too.

You mentioned "brits testing bird strikes" so I thought you meant the
old anecdote about breaking aircraft windshields by launching frozen
chickens instead of thawed ones.  Maybe we're not talking about the
same thing.

Yes Myth Busters fails at scientific rigor, but they get the essence
of science right which is experimentally testing a hypothesis. In
most of their shows --including this one-- they were just testing what
was already known: the frozen chicken story was debunked long before
Myth Busters touched it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


Myth busters, lol, not exactly what I cite for science...   That test
was flawed all over the place..   But they didn't test frozen chicken
into turbine blades, which was the situation I was referring to.
Anyways facts show even non-frozen bird is a bad situation for
turbines..   So a metal drone with solid chunks is going to be a much
harder bit to swallow...

On 02/06/2017 09:09 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 You mean with the chicken cannon? Tested on Myth Busters.  Frozen
chicken does not have more momentum than a thawed chicken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:03:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


You heard the story about brits testing bird strikes?

On 02/06/2017 08:53 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

what would happen if a drone was flying as high as a commercial
plane and gut sucked into the engine?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Exactlythere's the law and there's actual flight ceiling.
Bigger ones can go up several thousand feet.

I was looking at (did not buy) one to carry a 2.5kg payload.
Without the payload it could very very highlike commercial
airplane high.  There's no good reason to do that, but you
*could*.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 2/6/2017 11:11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this
was in
the US)...

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:

that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that
high

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway
>
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded




__ __

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net
*

*www.triadwireless.net
*

*__ __*

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow
old, we
grow old because we stop playing”

__ __
















--

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Mike Hammett]

I haven't received a quote myself, but I hear it's a few hundred a month. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:04:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflow 

How much? 








On Feb 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Kentik is the cat's ass, though it's not a few bucks a month. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:38:27 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Netflow 

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software? 

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again. 
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked. 
Not sure if that's changed or not. 

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month. 
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it. 

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers. 

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic. 
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements. 

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus. 

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO. 

Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

[David Milholen]

OH thank goodness .. You rock!

I was almost scared there for a moment or it was just a dream where 
ATT/Verizon Opened up 3.55-3.7 and squashed our empire of 3.65 in our 
county :)




On 2/6/2017 1:36 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote:


Sorry, we had a server change:

http://solutions.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 2:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

My shortcut died also.  It's still there.

On 2/6/2017 1:26 PM, Dave wrote:

What happened to this site?
http://www.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

Is there an alternative to those who were using this site on
occasion ?


-- 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Keefe John]

nTOP is great.

On February 6, 2017 7:38:28 PM CST, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:
>What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?
>
>I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
>Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
>Not sure if that's changed or not.
>
>Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was
>hosted for a few bucks a month.
>Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.
>
>I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.
>
>I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to
>profile my customer traffic.
>Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law
>enforcement requirements.
>
>If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.
>
>The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Cassidy B. Larson]

How much?



> On Feb 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Kentik is the cat's ass, though it's not a few bucks a month.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
> To: "af@afmug.com " >
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:38:27 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflow
> 
> What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?
> 
> I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
> Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
> Not sure if that's changed or not.
> 
> Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
> for a few bucks a month.
> Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.
> 
> I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.
> 
> I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
> customer traffic.
> Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
> requirements.
> 
> If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.
> 
> The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKxwttbfw0 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:00:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflow 


Kentik is the cat's ass, though it's not a few bucks a month. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:38:27 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Netflow 

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software? 

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again. 
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked. 
Not sure if that's changed or not. 

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month. 
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it. 

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers. 

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic. 
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements. 

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus. 

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO. 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[David Milholen]

Nflow is now a paid for license which sux but those who use it has much 
improved in performance.


I definitely would entertain the idea of another open source Nflow 
product. I have heard of folks getting Ntopng working with the older GPL 
Nflow service but have not heard


any thing good from it.



On 2/6/2017 7:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
Not sure if that's changed or not.

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month.
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic.
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements.

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.


--

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Mike Hammett]

Kentik is the cat's ass, though it's not a few bucks a month. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:38:27 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Netflow 

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software? 

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again. 
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked. 
Not sure if that's changed or not. 

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month. 
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it. 

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers. 

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic. 
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements. 

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus. 

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO. 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Jason McKemie]

All of these things.

I use flat drop and strip it down to the buffer tube upon entry to the
enclosure.  A way to attach the strength members a few inches inside of the
cable entry port would be nice, accepting 1" conduit would be helpful as
well.

Also, there needs to be an easy way to pull and replace the electronics
without having to change the enclosure or re-splice.

I pay about $65 for the RB260GS and a Corning enclosure, but you could get
a bit more if everything was integrated properly.

-Jason

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Hardware wise, I need it to have a good splice tray or system integrated.
>
>
>
> Our fiber drop cable is bigger than a buffer tube, lol!
>
> So these other guys outdoor units already miss the boat by not
> understanding that.
>
>
>
> Ideally it would have a way to attach to the wall and have a conduit
> entry, maybe an inch or inch and half to secure directly to the conduit so
> it’s a ‘closed’ conduit system.
>
>
>
> The tray area needs to be able to handle a bit of 2-4 strand or two buffer
> tubes of 2 strands each.
>
> We only terminate one strand for BIDI, but have two or four included in
> the drop as backup.
>
> Again, the drop fiber outer diameter is at least a quarter inch wide.
>
>
>
> It would ideally have secure tie down points for the drop fiber outer
> casing, and maybe clear tray cover for the inner tubes and fiber.
>
> Needs a tie down for the splice because we fusion on a length of patch LC
> cable to it.
>
>
>
> Power wise, POE is great, but would be nice to have both external AND POE
> available for redundancy.
>
>
>
> I don’t need POE out at all, I’m not doing radio stuff, I just use it as
> demarcation and convert to existing Ethernet at the side of the house.
>
>
>
> I need a way to attach an asset tag to it so I cannot be opened without
> breaking the tag.
>
> Our plastic tag feeds are about 1/8 inch round.
>
>
>
> It might also be nice if there were a back side feed to bring the Ethernet
> in directly from the back part of the unit somewhere.
>
> I mean, to mount the NID directly on top of where the Ethernet from the
> unit/house comes out.
>
> Most of the Ethernet we work with is indoor that’s left dangling outdoors
> for years.
>
> We usually put a box over it and use liquitight conduit to bring the
> Ethernet to the NID.
>
>
>
> Functionally it must be able to convert a full 1Gbps FDX of course, but I
> assume your device already does that.
>
>
>
> Management wise I would need SNMP and VLAN capable IP
> assignment/management.
>
> I don’t use a lot of the features of the RB260GS, but I do use the
> neighborhood discovery name.
>
> I do use filtering to disallow DHCP advertising in case they plug the
> Ethernet into the LAN side of their network.
>
> I also use the basic throttling on the web page to take it down to 110Mbps
> up and down from 100Mbps.
>
>
>
> And finally, if you had this same thing in a bigger model accepting a SFP+
> module with 10Gbps switching on around 8 GigE ports with the same features
> I would use that as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 6:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Sure, why not. What all do you need it to do?
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Nice.
>
>
>
> The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they
> are not manageable.
>
>
>
> For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP)
> built in.
>
>
>
> It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.
>
>
>
> It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this
> together into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with
> SNMP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> We have something similar too and available in qty as well.
>
>
>
> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] Netflow

[Sterling Jacobson]

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
Not sure if that's changed or not.

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month.
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic.
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements.

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

Hardware wise, I need it to have a good splice tray or system integrated.

Our fiber drop cable is bigger than a buffer tube, lol!
So these other guys outdoor units already miss the boat by not understanding 
that.

Ideally it would have a way to attach to the wall and have a conduit entry, 
maybe an inch or inch and half to secure directly to the conduit so it’s a 
‘closed’ conduit system.

The tray area needs to be able to handle a bit of 2-4 strand or two buffer 
tubes of 2 strands each.
We only terminate one strand for BIDI, but have two or four included in the 
drop as backup.
Again, the drop fiber outer diameter is at least a quarter inch wide.

It would ideally have secure tie down points for the drop fiber outer casing, 
and maybe clear tray cover for the inner tubes and fiber.
Needs a tie down for the splice because we fusion on a length of patch LC cable 
to it.

Power wise, POE is great, but would be nice to have both external AND POE 
available for redundancy.

I don’t need POE out at all, I’m not doing radio stuff, I just use it as 
demarcation and convert to existing Ethernet at the side of the house.

I need a way to attach an asset tag to it so I cannot be opened without 
breaking the tag.
Our plastic tag feeds are about 1/8 inch round.

It might also be nice if there were a back side feed to bring the Ethernet in 
directly from the back part of the unit somewhere.
I mean, to mount the NID directly on top of where the Ethernet from the 
unit/house comes out.
Most of the Ethernet we work with is indoor that’s left dangling outdoors for 
years.
We usually put a box over it and use liquitight conduit to bring the Ethernet 
to the NID.

Functionally it must be able to convert a full 1Gbps FDX of course, but I 
assume your device already does that.

Management wise I would need SNMP and VLAN capable IP assignment/management.
I don’t use a lot of the features of the RB260GS, but I do use the neighborhood 
discovery name.
I do use filtering to disallow DHCP advertising in case they plug the Ethernet 
into the LAN side of their network.
I also use the basic throttling on the web page to take it down to 110Mbps up 
and down from 100Mbps.

And finally, if you had this same thing in a bigger model accepting a SFP+ 
module with 10Gbps switching on around 8 GigE ports with the same features I 
would use that as well.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Sure, why not. What all do you need it to do?

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
Nice.

The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they are 
not manageable.

For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP) built 
in.

It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.

It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this together 
into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with SNMP.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

We have something similar too and available in qty as well.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I forgot about those.

I’ll have to look around.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Can you find any of these?

https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Single Family Home


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[George Skorup]

The BCMU360 is decent for small to medium sized sites. And it's jumper 
selectable between 24 and 48 volts. There's an internal DC-DC converter 
to take the 12VDC battery up to your selected output. The charging is 
limited to 12W. I have a few with 30-40Ah of battery connected. Recharge 
time is usually 12-14 hours. I had a 95W site running on the 37Ah for 
almost 5 hours. It never went down. Again, read the fine print. It's 
limited to 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. If it's in a not so 
temperature controlled cabinet, don't even try to put more than 200-225 
watts of gear on it. I have a few sites running a couple ApexPlus radios 
(75W a piece x 2) and other misc stuff, 450APs and a couple ePMP PTPs. 
It's near the limit.


The regular BCM is a different story. There doesn't appear to be any 
charge current limiting. I'm fairly sure I killed a TSP360. I hooked up 
a string of 20Ah batteries to a BCM48 and it was pulling 10-12 amps out 
of the power supply. I could smell it starting to cook. I gave up on it. 
I do only the BCMU360 and a Mean Well SDR-240-48 now. Really small 
cheap-o sites get Mean Well AD-155's.


For anything over 200 watts, do yourself a favor now and look at real 
rectifier solutions from Alpha, Eltek, Emerson or the new ICT 1U shelf 
which looks pretty good. That's where I'm going for the sites that need 
more power and/or more run time. A good rectifier shelf will have no 
problem with 100+ Ah of batteries and proper maintenance of them, like 
equalization, etc.


On 2/6/2017 3:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the 
string of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an 
issue (and it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm 
not sure if there are other problems with using a large string like 
that on the BCM - but maybe someone more knowledgeable like George or 
Ken can chime in?


Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't
really care how long the charge time is.
How are we pushing it other than the recharge time? If we're doing
something wrong I really do want to know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that
large of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably
would), it would likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah
batteries.  You may want to take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the
new ICT shelf that was recently announced on this list.

The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even
been told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

48v. can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to
150ah batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my
way through.  It seems like power supply itself is not
relevant. But the BCM is. Someone suggested using a
TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4
batteries in place,

What say you?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP
360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this?
Just as good?

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these
TSP 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Jason McKemie]

This.

On Monday, February 6, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
>
> The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they
> are not manageable.
>
>
>
> For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP)
> built in.
>
>
>
> It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.
>
>
>
> It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this
> together into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with
> SNMP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Harold
> Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> We have something similar too and available in qty as well.
>
>
>
> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Brett
> A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Sorry for the ignorance...
>
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
>
> SFH = ???
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson"  >
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] On Behalf Of
> Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking
> about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson"  >
> >> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >>
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >>
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Harold Bledsoe]

Sure, why not. What all do you need it to do?

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
>
> The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they
> are not manageable.
>
>
>
> For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP)
> built in.
>
>
>
> It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.
>
>
>
> It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this
> together into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with
> SNMP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> We have something similar too and available in qty as well.
>
>
>
> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Sorry for the ignorance...
>
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
>
> SFH = ???
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking
> about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >>
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >>
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

This picture didn't come through, but this is the unit I got from Chuck to make 
this work.

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-cat-6-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

Ok, so I'm still confused by this.

I want to inject -48v on POE using Chucks module (picture attached).

I can't seem to find any data though on exactly how the POE "in" works on the 
Ceragon IP-20C (Or the 820C which I assume is the same).
I think I can figure out Chucks module, but some help with that would be 
appreciated too.

Can someone spell this out for me and point to a reference for the POE power 
assignments on the actual port of the radio?

I really wish the 'people' working on my radio had not lost the official 
original POE injector module I had, GR!

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so I'm still confused by this.

I want to inject -48v on POE using Chucks module (picture attached).

I can't seem to find any data though on exactly how the POE "in" works on the 
Ceragon IP-20C (Or the 820C which I assume is the same).
I think I can figure out Chucks module, but some help with that would be 
appreciated too.

Can someone spell this out for me and point to a reference for the POE power 
assignments on the actual port of the radio?

I really wish the 'people' working on my radio had not lost the official 
original POE injector module I had, GR!

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

Nice.

The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they are 
not manageable.

For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP) built 
in.

It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.

It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this together 
into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with SNMP.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

We have something similar too and available in qty as well.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I forgot about those.

I’ll have to look around.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Can you find any of these?

https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Single Family Home


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Sorry for the ignorance...

But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??

SFH = ???

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

> I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> transceiver for years.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
> I am willing to be enlightened !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
>> To: "af@afmug.com" >
>> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
>> backordered until next never.
>>
>> Are there any alternatives?
>>
> > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

--

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Agreed!

I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.

My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.

Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have something similar too and available in qty as well.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Sorry for the ignorance...
>
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
>
> SFH = ???
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking
> about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >>
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >>
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>
>
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Adam Moffett]

Neither the website, brochure, or quick guide has a temperature range 
specified.

Makes a person wonder.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 7:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver


Oh nevermind, I see the RJ45 on the other side now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 7:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Huh.  That's interesting.  It says PoE In: Yes.  Can that really work 
through an SFP?  Do you need a special SFP for that?


I'm wondering if the description is wrong.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 6:25:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new 
CRS. The downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if 
you're connecting regular twisted pair. But they have the full 
RouterOS Level 5 license. If it's for a single family dwelling then 
you can use the one copper port and not need any extra SFPs.


https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:


Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
backordered until next never.


Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Adam Moffett]

Oh nevermind, I see the RJ45 on the other side now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 7:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Huh.  That's interesting.  It says PoE In: Yes.  Can that really work 
through an SFP?  Do you need a special SFP for that?


I'm wondering if the description is wrong.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 6:25:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new 
CRS. The downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if 
you're connecting regular twisted pair. But they have the full 
RouterOS Level 5 license. If it's for a single family dwelling then 
you can use the one copper port and not need any extra SFPs.


https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:


Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
backordered until next never.


Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Jaime Solorza]

https://goo.gl/images/m087jq

On Feb 2, 2017 3:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> So if propagation must be legally controlled, is Tim Hardy the equivalent
> of... condem salesmen or a diaphram fitters or perhaps a dating service?  A
> dating service the wants to see your birth control methods prior to the
> first date.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
> thanks!
>
> there is a joke about pence overriding him because stopping propagation is
> like abortion in there somewhere, but im not on my A game
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break
>> then
>> 
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>>
>> Nah, it still works.
>> Plot coverage on a white background.
>> Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
>> A KML gets saved alongside the image.
>>
>> Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will
>> contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email
>> multiple files to people.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>>
>> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
>> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
>> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
>> a requirement and there are other specifics
>>
>> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
>> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Adam Moffett]

Huh.  That's interesting.  It says PoE In: Yes.  Can that really work 
through an SFP?  Do you need a special SFP for that?


I'm wondering if the description is wrong.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 6:25:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new 
CRS. The downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if 
you're connecting regular twisted pair. But they have the full RouterOS 
Level 5 license. If it's for a single family dwelling then you can use 
the one copper port and not need any extra SFPs.


https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:


Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
backordered until next never.


Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Brett A Mansfield]

You could also check these out. Streakwave has 14 in stock in Utah right now. 
It's not many, but they get a steady flow of them.

https://reseller.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=F-POE=0

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I forgot about those.
>  
> I’ll have to look around.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>  
> Can you find any of these?
>  
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Single Family Home
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
> Sorry for the ignorance... 
> 
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
> 
> SFH = ???
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> > 
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> > 
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > 
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> > 
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >> 
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >> 
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>  

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

I forgot about those.

I’ll have to look around.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Can you find any of these?

https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Single Family Home


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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Sorry for the ignorance...

But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??

SFH = ???

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

> I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> transceiver for years.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
> I am willing to be enlightened !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
>> To: "af@afmug.com" >
>> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
>> backordered until next never.
>>
>> Are there any alternatives?
>>
> > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Jaime Solorza]

just height

On Feb 6, 2017 12:27 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

> Ah, whats the difference :)
>
>
> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
>
> ROFL .. Mormons … Ferengis …
>
> > On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> >
> > And Ferengis ;-)
> >
> >
> >  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> > Von: Chuck McCown 
> > Datum: 06.02.17 20:01 (GMT+01:00)
> > An: af@afmug.com
> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Brett A Mansfield]

Can you find any of these?

https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Single Family Home
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
> Sorry for the ignorance... 
> 
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
> 
> SFH = ???
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> > 
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> > 
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > 
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> > 
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >> 
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >> 
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

[Sterling Jacobson]

I found them.

I posted them to my youtube:

https://youtu.be/RzGWGkpyJBc

https://youtu.be/NZfAID20iXQ


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

Somewhere.

That was in Nov of 2009 I think.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

Did you save that video of the meteor passing West Mountain?

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Mike Hammett]

Single Family Home 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver 

Sorry for the ignorance... 

But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ?? 

SFH = ??? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message - 
> From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver 

> I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH 
> transceiver for years. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver 
> 
> Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ? 
> I am willing to be enlightened ! 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
>> To: "af@afmug.com"  
>> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver 
> 
>> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
>> backordered until next never. 
>> 
>> Are there any alternatives? 
>> 
> > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE. 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Sorry for the ignorance... 

But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??

SFH = ???

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

> I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> transceiver for years.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
> Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
> I am willing to be enlightened !
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> 
>> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
>> backordered until next never.
>> 
>> Are there any alternatives?
>> 
> > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

SFH, so I guess that would work, if they existed in qnty anywhere.

Which is again appears they don’t.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new CRS. The 
downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if you're connecting 
regular twisted pair. But they have the full RouterOS Level 5 license. If it's 
for a single family dwelling then you can use the one copper port and not need 
any extra SFPs.

https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are backordered 
until next never.

Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Brett A Mansfield]

If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new CRS. The 
downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if you're connecting 
regular twisted pair. But they have the full RouterOS Level 5 license. If it's 
for a single family dwelling then you can use the one copper port and not need 
any extra SFPs.

https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
> backordered until next never.
> 
> Are there any alternatives?
> 
> Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH 
transceiver for years.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
I am willing to be enlightened !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are 
> backordered until next never.
> 
> Are there any alternatives?
> 
> Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ?
I am willing to be enlightened !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are backordered
> until next never.
> 
> Are there any alternatives?
> 
> Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

[AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Sterling Jacobson]

Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are backordered 
until next never.

Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

[Sterling Jacobson]

Somewhere.

That was in Nov of 2009 I think.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

Did you save that video of the meteor passing West Mountain?

[AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

[chuck]

Did you save that video of the meteor passing West Mountain?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Bill Prince]

We've been using the Tycon 48 volt charge controller in a couple of 
places. Early models had some failures, but the later models seem to do 
much better. They are only 300 watts, but it doesn't take more than 
about 12-14 hours to charge a string of 104 ah batteries. I think 
actually quite a lot less than that.


bp


On 2/6/2017 1:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the 
string of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an 
issue (and it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm 
not sure if there are other problems with using a large string like 
that on the BCM - but maybe someone more knowledgeable like George or 
Ken can chime in?


Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't
really care how long the charge time is.
How are we pushing it other than the recharge time? If we're doing
something wrong I really do want to know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that
large of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably
would), it would likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah
batteries.  You may want to take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the
new ICT shelf that was recently announced on this list.

The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even
been told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

48v. can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to
150ah batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my
way through.  It seems like power supply itself is not
relevant. But the BCM is. Someone suggested using a
TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4
batteries in place,

What say you?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP
360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this?
Just as good?

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these
TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these
TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need
360W? The Mean Well SDR-240-48 is an alternative.
That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. If
you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W
behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and
360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which
is only 1/2 the price of a TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out
of stock.� Need to get a few on the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Bill Prince]

This is the charge profile for a string of four 104 ah batteries on a 
Tycon TP-BC48-300 battery charger from a few weeks ago. Outage was 1-1/2 
hours, and the charger took about an hour to recharge.



bp


On 2/6/2017 1:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the 
string of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an 
issue (and it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm 
not sure if there are other problems with using a large string like 
that on the BCM - but maybe someone more knowledgeable like George or 
Ken can chime in?


Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't
really care how long the charge time is.
How are we pushing it other than the recharge time? If we're doing
something wrong I really do want to know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that
large of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably
would), it would likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah
batteries.  You may want to take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the
new ICT shelf that was recently announced on this list.

The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even
been told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

48v. can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to
150ah batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my
way through.  It seems like power supply itself is not
relevant. But the BCM is. Someone suggested using a
TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4
batteries in place,

What say you?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP
360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this?
Just as good?

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these
TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these
TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need
360W? The Mean Well SDR-240-48 is an alternative.
That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. If
you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W
behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and
360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which
is only 1/2 the price of a TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out
of stock.� Need to get a few on the road today
if possible

�

TSP 360-148

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Josh Baird]

I was simply referring to the time necessary to actually charge the string
of batteries.. in your case, it doesn't sound like that is an issue (and
it's not in my environment most of the time either).  I'm not sure if there
are other problems with using a large string like that on the BCM - but
maybe someone more knowledgeable like George or Ken can chime in?

Josh

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.
>
> We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't really
> care how long the charge time is.
>
> How are we pushing it other than the recharge time?  If we're doing
> something wrong I really do want to know.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
>
> Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that large of
> a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably would), it would
> likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah batteries.  You may want to
> take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the new ICT shelf that was recently
> announced on this list.
>
> The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even been
> told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> 48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah
>> batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>
>>
>>
>> How large are your batteries?  How large the load?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It
>> seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone
>> suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or
>> 4 batteries in place,
>>
>>
>>
>> What say you?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
>>
>> On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>> The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>
>> �
>>
>> Or Mean Well HRP series.
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>>
>> �
>>
>> PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
>> SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
>> BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind
>> the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
>> SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.
>>
>> If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the
>> price of a TSP360.
>>
>> On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>> Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to
>> get a few on the road today if possible
>>
>> �
>>
>> TSP 360-148
>>
>> �
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800�
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Adam Moffett]

Interestingwe have BCM48A and TSP-600 with 4x100ah.

We're not normally getting back to back power outages, so I don't really 
care how long the charge time is.


How are we pushing it other than the recharge time?  If we're doing 
something wrong I really do want to know.




-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/6/2017 4:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that large 
of a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably would), it 
would likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah batteries.  You 
may want to take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the new ICT shelf that was 
recently announced on this list.


The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even been 
told this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah 
batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



How large are your batteries?  How large the load?



On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  
It seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   
Someone suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I 
already have 2 or 4 batteries in place,




What say you?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean 
Well SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the 
Traco BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 
360W behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 
minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.


If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the 
price of a TSP360.


On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need 
to get a few on the road today if possible


�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

�

�


�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Adam Moffett]

mind you I haven't done it.  It just seems like it would work.
What Bill said about wire gauge is true too.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/6/2017 3:47:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148


That does sound convenient.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:36 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



BCMU does not automatically make that work.  We've been running a 48v 
system and adding a 48-24 converter.  You can do it the other way 
around too.




Personally, If I was going to do something other than 48v on the 
battery system, it would be 12v.  The reason being that if the battery 
system was 12v then my portable standby generator would be any car with 
jumper cables.  In theory it sounds convenient.






-- Original Message --

From: "Paul McCall" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 2/6/2017 3:28:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



More dummy questions…  If I have mostly 24v battery arrays now, and 
want to be cheap and not buy more batteries, but need 48 volt to the 
equipment up the tower, does the BCMU make that work somehow?  Or do I 
need to have the battery array become a 48v?  You mention a “12v 
battery string” so am not sure.




AND, if I also need to drive 24v up the tower (different RAD center, 
dif. Equipment, do I need another power supply, or can I somehow pully 
both 48v and 24v for output?




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



First step is to decide if you are using the BCM or BCMU.



BCM will need to control output voltage of a Traco power supply.  BCMU 
just needs power in.  Main factor with BCMU is it takes a 12V battery 
string and has limited charging current, so if you have a lot of Ah of 
batteries, it might take days to charge back up.  But the BCMU is more 
flexible … U=universal.




In any case, be sure to disconnect the AC and let it run the battery 
down a bit, then reconnect the AC.  I had a BCM installation that 
would pop the circuit breaker after about a minute because of the 
extra battery charging current.  I was unaware of this problem until 
the first big power outage, because I failed to test it.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  
It seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   
Someone suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already 
have 2 or 4 batteries in place,




What say you?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean 
Well SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the 
Traco BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 
360W behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 
minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.


If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the 
price of a TSP360.


On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need 
to get a few on the road today if possible


�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

�

�


�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - I'm not sure the BCMU or BCM is the best solution for that large of
a battery string.  If it did work (I guess it probably would), it would
likely take weeks to charge a string of 4x100Ah batteries.  You may want to
take a look at Eltek/Emerson or the new ICT shelf that was recently
announced on this list.

The largest string we have on the BCMU is 4x33Ah, and I have even been told
this is pushing it, especially with decent charge times.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> 48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah
> batteries (right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
>
>
> How large are your batteries?  How large the load?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It
> seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone
> suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or
> 4 batteries in place,
>
>
>
> What say you?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
>
>
> Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
>
> On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> Or Mean Well HRP series.
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
> SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
> BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind
> the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
> SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.
>
> If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price
> of a TSP360.
>
> On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get
> a few on the road today if possible
>
> �
>
> TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800�
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
> �
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Bill Prince]

... but it would quadruple the current. 300 watts is ~~ 6 amps at 48 
volts, but is 24 amps at 12 volts. The 48 volt system would be happy on 
12 gauge wire (easy to deal with), but the 12 volt system would require 
(at least) 6 gauge wire.


bp


On 2/6/2017 12:35 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Personally, If I was going to do something other than 48v on the 
battery system, it would be 12v.  The reason being that if the battery 
system was 12v then my portable standby generator would be any car 
with jumper cables.  In theory it sounds convenient.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

That does sound convenient.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

BCMU does not automatically make that work.  We've been running a 48v system 
and adding a 48-24 converter.  You can do it the other way around too.

Personally, If I was going to do something other than 48v on the battery 
system, it would be 12v.  The reason being that if the battery system was 12v 
then my portable standby generator would be any car with jumper cables.  In 
theory it sounds convenient.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/6/2017 3:28:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

More dummy questions…  If I have mostly 24v battery arrays now, and want to be 
cheap and not buy more batteries, but need 48 volt to the equipment up the 
tower, does the BCMU make that work somehow?  Or do I need to have the battery 
array become a 48v?  You mention a “12v battery string” so am not sure.

AND, if I also need to drive 24v up the tower (different RAD center, dif. 
Equipment, do I need another power supply, or can I somehow pully both 48v and 
24v for output?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

First step is to decide if you are using the BCM or BCMU.

BCM will need to control output voltage of a Traco power supply.  BCMU just 
needs power in.  Main factor with BCMU is it takes a 12V battery string and has 
limited charging current, so if you have a lot of Ah of batteries, it might 
take days to charge back up.  But the BCMU is more flexible … U=universal.

In any case, be sure to disconnect the AC and let it run the battery down a 
bit, then reconnect the AC.  I had a BCM installation that would pop the 
circuit breaker after about a minute because of the extra battery charging 
current.  I was unaware of this problem until the first big power outage, 
because I failed to test it.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

What say you?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
Or Mean Well HRP series.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] Firefox and Grandstream PBX's

[Jeremy]

The only reason that I was still using Firefox was for iMacros, and now I
see they finally added Chrome support.  It is going to be tough for me to
find any reason now.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Sounds like the page simply isn't compatible with a newer version of
> Firefox.  Reason 742 why I would leave Firefox =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> No, it's not the unsigned certificate.  Firefox just won't load/stops
>> responding.  Everything was working fine with Firefox 49, but weird things
>> happened with the update to 50.  On Firefox 52.0b3 now, and it's still an
>> issue.  I haven't really been able to tie it to certain FW versions of the
>> PBX Either.  Just seems random.  Sometimes I can log into the PBX fine and
>> navigate around normally, then after moving to about a dozen different PBX
>> pages, the browser will just sit there and not display any more PBX pages.
>>   Other times, it just displays a completely blank page instead of the
>> login screen.   Viewing the HTML Source of the page, it looks like there
>> should be something there, but it won't paint it.
>>
>> On 2/6/2017 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> If the question is about the unsigned certificate, yes.  Chrome will
>> probably always require your attention when first accepting it.  Used to be
>> a hassle but since it's a quick click I prefer it to Firefox for so many
>> other reasons.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I have experienced issues with Chrome and Firefox both not allowing me
>>> into UBNT radios with the certificate error (they released a bunch of
>>> firmware versions where the certificate date was in the future or something
>>> like that.  I have to use IE to get into those radios and either disable
>>> https or change the firmware.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Nate Burke < 
>>> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
 My Browser got upgraded to Firefox 50.0, and ever since I've been
 having trouble getting into Grandstream PBX's.  On some PBX's I can log in,
 and then navigate to a dozen or so pages, then it just stops responding.
 On others, I can't even pull up the login screen. Chrome still seems to
 work OK, but has the annoying certificate security every time you login.
 Has anyone else run into this?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

Tower We are deploying today as 13APs and 2 BHs and a partridge in a pear try

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

That’s a lot of power.  Are you sure you don’t want to upgrade to an Emerson or 
Eltek rectifier shelf, or just go with an AC UPS like Alpha?  ICT also had a 
new modular product for 12, 24 or 48V.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah batteries 
(right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

What say you?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
Or Mean Well HRP series.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s a lot of power.  Are you sure you don’t want to upgrade to an Emerson or 
Eltek rectifier shelf, or just go with an AC UPS like Alpha?  ICT also had a 
new modular product for 12, 24 or 48V.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah batteries 
(right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

 

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

 

What say you?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible

�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800� 

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

�

�

�

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Adam Moffett]

BCMU does not automatically make that work.  We've been running a 48v 
system and adding a 48-24 converter.  You can do it the other way around 
too.


Personally, If I was going to do something other than 48v on the battery 
system, it would be 12v.  The reason being that if the battery system 
was 12v then my portable standby generator would be any car with jumper 
cables.  In theory it sounds convenient.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/6/2017 3:28:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

More dummy questions…  If I have mostly 24v battery arrays now, and 
want to be cheap and not buy more batteries, but need 48 volt to the 
equipment up the tower, does the BCMU make that work somehow?  Or do I 
need to have the battery array become a 48v?  You mention a “12v 
battery string” so am not sure.




AND, if I also need to drive 24v up the tower (different RAD center, 
dif. Equipment, do I need another power supply, or can I somehow pully 
both 48v and 24v for output?




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



First step is to decide if you are using the BCM or BCMU.



BCM will need to control output voltage of a Traco power supply.  BCMU 
just needs power in.  Main factor with BCMU is it takes a 12V battery 
string and has limited charging current, so if you have a lot of Ah of 
batteries, it might take days to charge back up.  But the BCMU is more 
flexible … U=universal.




In any case, be sure to disconnect the AC and let it run the battery 
down a bit, then reconnect the AC.  I had a BCM installation that would 
pop the circuit breaker after about a minute because of the extra 
battery charging current.  I was unaware of this problem until the 
first big power outage, because I failed to test it.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  
It seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   
Someone suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already 
have 2 or 4 batteries in place,




What say you?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148



Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco 
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W 
behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 
minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.


If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the 
price of a TSP360.


On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need 
to get a few on the road today if possible


�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

�

�


�

Re: [AFMUG] Firefox and Grandstream PBX's

[Josh Luthman]

Sounds like the page simply isn't compatible with a newer version of
Firefox.  Reason 742 why I would leave Firefox =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> No, it's not the unsigned certificate.  Firefox just won't load/stops
> responding.  Everything was working fine with Firefox 49, but weird things
> happened with the update to 50.  On Firefox 52.0b3 now, and it's still an
> issue.  I haven't really been able to tie it to certain FW versions of the
> PBX Either.  Just seems random.  Sometimes I can log into the PBX fine and
> navigate around normally, then after moving to about a dozen different PBX
> pages, the browser will just sit there and not display any more PBX pages.
>   Other times, it just displays a completely blank page instead of the
> login screen.   Viewing the HTML Source of the page, it looks like there
> should be something there, but it won't paint it.
>
> On 2/6/2017 10:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> If the question is about the unsigned certificate, yes.  Chrome will
> probably always require your attention when first accepting it.  Used to be
> a hassle but since it's a quick click I prefer it to Firefox for so many
> other reasons.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I have experienced issues with Chrome and Firefox both not allowing me
>> into UBNT radios with the certificate error (they released a bunch of
>> firmware versions where the certificate date was in the future or something
>> like that.  I have to use IE to get into those radios and either disable
>> https or change the firmware.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Nate Burke < 
>> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Browser got upgraded to Firefox 50.0, and ever since I've been having
>>> trouble getting into Grandstream PBX's.  On some PBX's I can log in, and
>>> then navigate to a dozen or so pages, then it just stops responding.  On
>>> others, I can't even pull up the login screen. Chrome still seems to work
>>> OK, but has the annoying certificate security every time you login.  Has
>>> anyone else run into this?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

48v.   can be as much as 5 or 6 amps on some tower.  120 to 150ah batteries 
(right now 2 of them, but was moving to 4)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

What say you?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
Or Mean Well HRP series.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

More dummy questions...  If I have mostly 24v battery arrays now, and want to 
be cheap and not buy more batteries, but need 48 volt to the equipment up the 
tower, does the BCMU make that work somehow?  Or do I need to have the battery 
array become a 48v?  You mention a "12v battery string" so am not sure.

AND, if I also need to drive 24v up the tower (different RAD center, dif. 
Equipment, do I need another power supply, or can I somehow pully both 48v and 
24v for output?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

First step is to decide if you are using the BCM or BCMU.

BCM will need to control output voltage of a Traco power supply.  BCMU just 
needs power in.  Main factor with BCMU is it takes a 12V battery string and has 
limited charging current, so if you have a lot of Ah of batteries, it might 
take days to charge back up.  But the BCMU is more flexible ... U=universal.

In any case, be sure to disconnect the AC and let it run the battery down a 
bit, then reconnect the AC.  I had a BCM installation that would pop the 
circuit breaker after about a minute because of the extra battery charging 
current.  I was unaware of this problem until the first big power outage, 
because I failed to test it.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

What say you?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
Or Mean Well HRP series.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Josh Baird]

How large are your batteries?  How large the load?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It
> seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone
> suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or
> 4 batteries in place,
>
>
>
> What say you?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
>
>
> Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
>
> On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> Or Mean Well HRP series.
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
> SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
> BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind
> the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
> SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.
>
> If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price
> of a TSP360.
>
> On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get
> a few on the road today if possible
>
> �
>
> TSP 360-148
>
> �
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800�
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
> �
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Ken Hohhof]

First step is to decide if you are using the BCM or BCMU.

 

BCM will need to control output voltage of a Traco power supply.  BCMU just
needs power in.  Main factor with BCMU is it takes a 12V battery string and
has limited charging current, so if you have a lot of Ah of batteries, it
might take days to charge back up.  But the BCMU is more flexible …
U=universal.

 

In any case, be sure to disconnect the AC and let it run the battery down a
bit, then reconnect the AC.  I had a BCM installation that would pop the
circuit breaker after about a minute because of the extra battery charging
current.  I was unaware of this problem until the first big power outage,
because I failed to test it.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It
seems like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone
suggested using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4
batteries in place,

 

What say you?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the
BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price
of a TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a
few on the road today if possible

�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800� 

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

�

�

�

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys I am completely new to Traco, so am feeling my way through.  It seems 
like power supply itself is not relevant.  But the BCM is.   Someone suggested 
using a  TSP-BCM24 or TSP-BCM48 instead if I already have 2 or 4 batteries in 
place,

What say you?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.
On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
Or Mean Well HRP series.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148
�
PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Ken Hohhof]

How bad do you want DIN rail mount?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

Or Mean Well HRP series.

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

�

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the
BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price
of a TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a
few on the road today if possible

�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800� 

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

�

�

�

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[George Skorup]

Not sure about the HRP. I've had SDR's running for years now.

On 2/6/2017 2:01 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Or Mean Well HRP series.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco 
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W 
behind the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 
minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.


If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the 
price of a TSP360.


On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.�
Need to get a few on the road today if possible

�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

�

�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

The meanwell is really a good alternative to this? Just as good?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

Or Mean Well HRP series.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco BCMU360's. 
If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the BCMU. They're 
rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs 
~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price of a 
TSP360.
On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a 
few on the road today if possible
�
TSP 360-148
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Ken Hohhof]

Or Mean Well HRP series.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind the
BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And the
SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.

If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the price
of a TSP360.

On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.� Need to get a
few on the road today if possible

�

TSP 360-148

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800� 

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

�

�

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Ken Hohhof]

By "on the road", you mean pick up at Will Call?  Good luck, these are not
good items to run out of.

 

It looks like Sager and Mouser have a few on the shelf, probably not in
Florida though.  You could probably get them air shipped.  Allied and Newark
appear to be out.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

 

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.  Need to get a
few on the road today if possible

 

TSP 360-148

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[George Skorup]

PSUI is who we order Traco stuff from. Do you need 360W? The Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 is an alternative. That's what I'm using with the Traco 
BCMU360's. If you read the fine print, it's worthless to put 360W behind 
the BCMU. They're rated 240W continuous and 360W for 3.5 minutes. And 
the SDR-240 is ~$70 vs ~$270 for the TSP360.


If you really need it, there's the SDR-480-48, which is only 1/2 the 
price of a TSP360.


On 2/6/2017 1:28 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.  Need to 
get a few on the road today if possible


TSP 360-148

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty sure that is from WKRP...

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

There was an older story that was about frozen vs. thawed birds going
into turbines..   it's on snopes...   I heard about that back in the
80's before I ever heard about the canopy version...  pre internet for 
sure..  maybe usenet...


On 02/06/2017 09:49 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm not sure what you're telling me now.  A drone in a turbine would
be terrible for sure, I don't think anybody's disputing that.  I'm
sure a bird is bad too.

You mentioned "brits testing bird strikes" so I thought you meant the
old anecdote about breaking aircraft windshields by launching frozen
chickens instead of thawed ones.  Maybe we're not talking about the
same thing.

Yes Myth Busters fails at scientific rigor, but they get the essence
of science right which is experimentally testing a hypothesis.  In
most of their shows --including this one-- they were just testing what
was already known: the frozen chicken story was debunked long before
Myth Busters touched it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


Myth busters, lol, not exactly what I cite for science...   That test
was flawed all over the place..   But they didn't test frozen chicken
into turbine blades, which was the situation I was referring to.
Anyways facts show even non-frozen bird is a bad situation for
turbines..   So a metal drone with solid chunks is going to be a much
harder bit to swallow...

On 02/06/2017 09:09 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 You mean with the chicken cannon?  Tested on Myth Busters.  Frozen
chicken does not have more momentum than a thawed chicken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:03:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


You heard the story about brits testing bird strikes?

On 02/06/2017 08:53 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

what would happen if a drone was flying as high as a commercial
plane and gut sucked into the engine?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Exactlythere's the law and there's actual flight ceiling.
Bigger ones can go up several thousand feet.

I was looking at (did not buy) one to carry a 2.5kg payload.
Without the payload it could very very highlike commercial
airplane high.  There's no good reason to do that, but you
*could*.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 2/6/2017 11:11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this
was in
the US)...

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:

that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that
high

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway
>
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded




__ __

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net
*

*www.triadwireless.net
*

*__ __*

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow
old, we
grow old because we stop playing”

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

[Hardy, Tim]

Sorry, we had a server change:

http://solutions.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 2:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

My shortcut died also.  It's still there.
On 2/6/2017 1:26 PM, Dave wrote:
What happened to this site?
http://www.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

Is there an alternative to those who were using this site on occasion ?


--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D28086.66B9C7B0]

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Mike Hammett]

https://peeringdb.com/ix/26 
https://peeringdb.com/ix/31 

Sort by speed. Note that companies will have multiple IPs, so multiple entries 
and multiple LAGs. 

For instance, Apple has 4x 300 Gig LAGs on DE-CIX. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:32:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin 


Wait until you see the traffic chart for Netflix or Google (Youtube) traffic 
flows at a major IX point... We're talking about N number of 100GbE connections 
to the peering/IX fabric switch, where N is frequently a number larger than 1. 




On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver 
hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream BW X 
# of streams. Each stream has its own session, right? 

So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot possibly 
have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW. 

I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed that 
multicast does not traverse the public internet? Hard enough to get it to work 
flawless internally with IPTV. 

There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have just 
been unaware of. 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Ken Hohhof]

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

There was an older story that was about frozen vs. thawed birds going 
into turbines..   it's on snopes...   I heard about that back in the 
80's before I ever heard about the canopy version...  pre internet for sure..  
maybe usenet...

On 02/06/2017 09:49 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're telling me now.  A drone in a turbine would 
> be terrible for sure, I don't think anybody's disputing that.  I'm 
> sure a bird is bad too.
>
> You mentioned "brits testing bird strikes" so I thought you meant the 
> old anecdote about breaking aircraft windshields by launching frozen 
> chickens instead of thawed ones.  Maybe we're not talking about the 
> same thing.
>
> Yes Myth Busters fails at scientific rigor, but they get the essence 
> of science right which is experimentally testing a hypothesis.  In 
> most of their shows --including this one-- they were just testing what 
> was already known: the frozen chicken story was debunked long before 
> Myth Busters touched it.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert Andrews" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/6/2017 12:13:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life
>
>> Myth busters, lol, not exactly what I cite for science...   That test
>> was flawed all over the place..   But they didn't test frozen chicken
>> into turbine blades, which was the situation I was referring to.
>> Anyways facts show even non-frozen bird is a bad situation for
>> turbines..   So a metal drone with solid chunks is going to be a much
>> harder bit to swallow...
>>
>> On 02/06/2017 09:09 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>  You mean with the chicken cannon?  Tested on Myth Busters.  Frozen 
>>> chicken does not have more momentum than a thawed chicken.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Robert Andrews" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/6/2017 12:03:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life
>>>
 You heard the story about brits testing bird strikes?

 On 02/06/2017 08:53 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> what would happen if a drone was flying as high as a commercial 
> plane and gut sucked into the engine?
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>
> Exactlythere's the law and there's actual flight ceiling.
> Bigger ones can go up several thousand feet.
>
> I was looking at (did not buy) one to carry a 2.5kg payload.
> Without the payload it could very very highlike commercial
> airplane high.  There's no good reason to do that, but you 
> *could*.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard"  >
> To: "af" >
> Sent: 2/6/2017 11:11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life
>
>> It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this 
>> was in
>> the US)...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that 
>> high
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded
>>
>> > d>
>>
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 *
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net
>> *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net
>> *
>>
>> *__ __*
>>
>> “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow 
>> old, we
>> grow old because we stop playing”
>>
>> __ __
>>
>>
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

[Brian Sullivan]

My shortcut died also.  It's still there.

On 2/6/2017 1:26 PM, Dave wrote:

What happened to this site?
http://www.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

Is there an alternative to those who were using this site on occasion ?



--

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Keefe John]

Study hard, pay $150, take a test.


On 2/6/2017 1:29 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/fly_for_work_business/becoming_a_pilot/


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Cool.  How do you become certified?
-- Original Message --
From: "Sean Heskett" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/6/2017 2:12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

FAA FAR part 107 allows you to fly to 400 feet AGL or 400 feet
above any structure:
https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf


 *

Maximum altitude of 400 feet above ground level (AGL) or, if

higher than 400 feet AGL, remain within 400 feet of a

structure.


so using a drone near a tower is perfectly legal as along as
you remain within 400 feet, the pilot operator is within
visual site of the drone, the drone is registered and the
pilot is certified.

-Sean




On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this
was in the US)...

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:

that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that
high

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway
>
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow
old, we grow old because we stop playing”

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Eric Kuhnke]

Wait until you see the traffic chart for Netflix or Google (Youtube)
traffic flows at a major IX point... We're talking about N number of 100GbE
connections to the peering/IX fabric switch, where N is frequently a number
larger than 1.


On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver
> hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream
> BW X # of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?
>
> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
> possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
>
> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed
> that multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard enough to get
> it to work flawless internally with IPTV.
>
> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
> just been unaware of.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Sean Heskett]

https://registermyuas.faa.gov

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Cool.  How do you become certified?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/6/2017 2:12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life
>
>
> FAA FAR part 107 allows you to fly to 400 feet AGL or 400 feet above any
> structure:
> https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf
>
>-
>
>Maximum altitude of 400 feet above ground level (AGL) or, if
>
>higher than 400 feet AGL, remain within 400 feet of a
>
>structure.
>
>
>so using a drone near a tower is perfectly legal as along as you
>remain within 400 feet, the pilot operator is within visual site of the
>drone, the drone is registered and the pilot is certified.
>
>-Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this was in the
>> US)...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that high
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded



 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *



 “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
 because we stop playing”



>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Sean Heskett]

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/fly_for_work_business/becoming_a_pilot/


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Cool.  How do you become certified?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/6/2017 2:12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life
>
>
> FAA FAR part 107 allows you to fly to 400 feet AGL or 400 feet above any
> structure:
> https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf
>
>-
>
>Maximum altitude of 400 feet above ground level (AGL) or, if
>
>higher than 400 feet AGL, remain within 400 feet of a
>
>structure.
>
>
>so using a drone near a tower is perfectly legal as along as you
>remain within 400 feet, the pilot operator is within visual site of the
>drone, the drone is registered and the pilot is certified.
>
>-Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this was in the
>> US)...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that high
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded



 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *



 “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
 because we stop playing”



>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

[Paul McCall]

Been buying them from one source and they are out of stock.  Need to get a few 
on the road today if possible

TSP 360-148

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Dennis Burgess]

Ah, whats the difference :)  


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

ROFL .. Mormons … Ferengis … 

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> 
> And Ferengis ;-)
> 
> 
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Chuck McCown 
> Datum: 06.02.17 20:01 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
> 

[AFMUG] 3650 quick look

[Dave]

What happened to this site?
http://www.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

Is there an alternative to those who were using this site on occasion ?



--

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL .. Mormons … Ferengis … 

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> 
> And Ferengis ;-)
> 
> 
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Chuck McCown 
> Datum: 06.02.17 20:01 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Adam Moffett]

Cool.  How do you become certified?


-- Original Message --
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/6/2017 2:12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

FAA FAR part 107 allows you to fly to 400 feet AGL or 400 feet above 
any structure:

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf
Maximum altitude of 400 feet above ground level (AGL) or, if

higher than 400 feet AGL, remain within 400 feet of a

structure.



so using a drone near a tower is perfectly legal as along as you remain 
within 400 feet, the pilot operator is within visual site of the drone, 
the drone is registered and the pilot is certified.


-Sean






On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:
It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this was in the 
US)...


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that high

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway 
 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old 
because we stop playing”

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Sean Heskett]

FAA FAR part 107 allows you to fly to 400 feet AGL or 400 feet above any
structure:
https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf

   -

   Maximum altitude of 400 feet above ground level (AGL) or, if

   higher than 400 feet AGL, remain within 400 feet of a

   structure.


   so using a drone near a tower is perfectly legal as along as you remain
   within 400 feet, the pilot operator is within visual site of the
   drone, the drone is registered and the pilot is certified.

   -Sean





On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this was in the
> US)...
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that high
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
>>> because we stop playing”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Stefan Englhardt]

And Ferengis ;-)

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown  Datum: 
06.02.17  20:01  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: 
Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference 

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Chuck McCown]

I think they banned radical Mormons and I got caught.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

LOL .. if Canada is banning Americans from coming in I’d be shocked - it’s 
always the other way around ;) 


  On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Can’t go travel ban...

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

  Hopefully it'll keep growing, a good chunk of our bigger customers are in 
Canada, so there's definitely a good WISP industry up there!


  On 2/6/2017 12:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or anything 
but nice to see something nearby going on …. 

One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)

  On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

  Me too! 

  Respectively,


  Rick Harnish
  Director of WISP Markets
  Direct: 972.922.1443
  Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.


  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
  On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Excellent … see you there! :) 

Paul

  On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake  
wrote:

  I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.


  On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in 
Gatineau, QC (Canada)?
�
Thanks,
Paul
�


-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Paul Stewart]

LOL .. if Canada is banning Americans from coming in I’d be shocked - it’s 
always the other way around ;)


> On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Can’t go travel ban...
>  
> From: Simon Westlake <>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:43 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
>  
> Hopefully it'll keep growing, a good chunk of our bigger customers are in 
> Canada, so there's definitely a good WISP industry up there!
> 
> On 2/6/2017 12:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or anything 
>> but nice to see something nearby going on ….
>>  
>> One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)
>>  
>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish > 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Me too!
>>>  
>>> Respectively,
>>> 
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>> Direct: 972.922.1443
>>> Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
>>> On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart > wrote:
 Excellent … see you there! :)
  
 Paul
  
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake > 
> wrote:
>  
> I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.
> 
> On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in 
>> Gatineau, QC (Canada)?
>> �
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>> �
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software <>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software 
  
>> 
>>  
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software <>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software 

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Simon Westlake]

Hopefully I can get in with one of my passports.

On 2/6/2017 12:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Can’t go travel ban...
*From:* Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference
Hopefully it'll keep growing, a good chunk of our bigger customers are 
in Canada, so there's definitely a good WISP industry up there!


On 2/6/2017 12:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or 
anything but nice to see something nearby going on ….

One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)
On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish 
 wrote:

Me too!
/Respectively,/
/
/
/Rick Harnish/
/Director of WISP Markets/
/Direct: 972.922.1443/
/Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc./
/
/
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid/
On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Excellent … see you there! :)
Paul

On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake
 wrote:
I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.

On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming
up soon in Gatineau, QC (Canada)?
�
Thanks,
Paul
�


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software 



--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Chuck McCown]

Can’t go travel ban...

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

Hopefully it'll keep growing, a good chunk of our bigger customers are in 
Canada, so there's definitely a good WISP industry up there!


On 2/6/2017 12:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

  Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or anything 
but nice to see something nearby going on …. 

  One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)

On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

Me too! 

Respectively,


Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Direct: 972.922.1443
Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Excellent … see you there! :) 

  Paul

On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.


On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

  Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in 
Gatineau, QC (Canada)?
  �
  Thanks,
  Paul
  �


-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Chuck McCown]

I have purchased from them before but have not looked at them lately.  

They have some huge warehouses full of stuff that probably did not come direct 
from the factory.  

I bought a truckload of grade B stuff but I had a guy go to Miami and inspect 
everything before it got loaded.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

I thought you knew about sunelec.com?  Its owner is famously eccentric... 

22 cents/watt for used or grade C panels. More realistically in pallet 
quantities, 35-38 cents/watt for factory new grade B panels with minor 
blemishes, or around 40-42 cents/watt for new grade A. Some of the cheaper 
stuff they're selling are older panels from 5-6 years ago which are less 
efficient in W/sqft than a recent model (example 250-260W 60-cell vs newer more 
expensive 285-290W 60-cell). So you do have to figure in a larger area occupied 
and higher mounting costs for the same size system.


On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Wow, 22 cents per watt solar panels.  Wow wow wow.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

  Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is selling 
the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:


  
http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf


  Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But they 
are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep cycle 
off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing that beats 
it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.



  On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

I can across an interesting tip / option -

Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead 
acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart batteries 
in PV applications.


http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html

I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats 
their Wheaties on moving day. :-)

Hal

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid 
PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for something 
like the Trojan T31 or similar. 


-- 

Harold Bledsoe

[AFMUG] Cambium 450 900 SM throughput issue?

[Erich Kaiser]

So we had a 900 PTP in place running about 20/8 on a 10Mhz channel, we
swapped out to an AP and SM and only getting 12/1.5, any idea why?  I know
timming settings, etc, we are also running 15.0.2. on the AP / SM abd
14.0.1 on PTP, Anyone else seeing an issue.  The AP side has very little
noise.  We are synced with neighboring WISP who is not running in the same
channel.  Should we go back down to 14.2.1?

Max Dist 4 mile
Control Slots 3
Channel Size 10Mhz


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Simon Westlake]

Hopefully it'll keep growing, a good chunk of our bigger customers are 
in Canada, so there's definitely a good WISP industry up there!


On 2/6/2017 12:40 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or 
anything but nice to see something nearby going on ….


One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)

On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish > wrote:


Me too!

/Respectively,/
/
/
/Rick Harnish/
/Director of WISP Markets/
/Direct: 972.922.1443/
/Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc./
/
/
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid/
On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart > wrote:


Excellent … see you there! :)

Paul

On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake
> wrote:

I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.

On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up
soon in Gatineau, QC (Canada)?
�
Thanks,
Paul
�


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software 






--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Paul Stewart]

Great - glad to hear it … I’ve heard it’s not a very big event or anything but 
nice to see something nearby going on ….

One of our offices is 5 minutes away from there :)

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> 
> Me too!
> 
> Respectively,
> 
> Rick Harnish
> Director of WISP Markets
> Direct: 972.922.1443
> Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
> On Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> Excellent … see you there! :)
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
> 
> I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.
> 
> On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
> Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in Gatineau, 
> QC (Canada)?
> �
> Thanks,
> Paul
> �
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software 
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software 

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I thought you knew about sunelec.com?  Its owner is famously eccentric...

22 cents/watt for used or grade C panels. More realistically in pallet
quantities, 35-38 cents/watt for factory new grade B panels with minor
blemishes, or around 40-42 cents/watt for new grade A. Some of the cheaper
stuff they're selling are older panels from 5-6 years ago which are less
efficient in W/sqft than a recent model (example 250-260W 60-cell vs newer
more expensive 285-290W 60-cell). So you do have to figure in a larger area
occupied and higher mounting costs for the same size system.


On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Wow, 22 cents per watt solar panels.  Wow wow wow.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_
> Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
>> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>>
>> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
>> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
>> batteries in PV applications.
>>
>> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_
>> Specifications_Zone15.html
>>
>> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
>> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
>>> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
>>> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> Harold Bledsoe
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Always a good morning when your aerial fiber team sends an email: "Truck vs Pole"

[Robert Andrews]

Someone needs to amend the sign, 8 wires down...

On 02/06/2017 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

#1 best wreck in all Yakima!

On Feb 6, 2017 12:17 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" > wrote:

Inline image 1

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life

[Robert Andrews]

There was an older story that was about frozen vs. thawed birds going 
into turbines..   it's on snopes...   I heard about that back in the 
80's before I ever heard about the canopy version...  pre internet for 
sure..  maybe usenet...


On 02/06/2017 09:49 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm not sure what you're telling me now.  A drone in a turbine would be
terrible for sure, I don't think anybody's disputing that.  I'm sure a
bird is bad too.

You mentioned "brits testing bird strikes" so I thought you meant the
old anecdote about breaking aircraft windshields by launching frozen
chickens instead of thawed ones.  Maybe we're not talking about the same
thing.

Yes Myth Busters fails at scientific rigor, but they get the essence of
science right which is experimentally testing a hypothesis.  In most of
their shows --including this one-- they were just testing what was
already known: the frozen chicken story was debunked long before Myth
Busters touched it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


Myth busters, lol, not exactly what I cite for science...   That test
was flawed all over the place..   But they didn't test frozen chicken
into turbine blades, which was the situation I was referring to.
Anyways facts show even non-frozen bird is a bad situation for
turbines..   So a metal drone with solid chunks is going to be a much
harder bit to swallow...

On 02/06/2017 09:09 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 You mean with the chicken cannon?  Tested on Myth Busters.  Frozen
chicken does not have more momentum than a thawed chicken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2017 12:03:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


You heard the story about brits testing bird strikes?

On 02/06/2017 08:53 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

what would happen if a drone was flying as high as a commercial plane
and gut sucked into the engine?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Exactlythere's the law and there's actual flight ceiling.
Bigger ones can go up several thousand feet.

I was looking at (did not buy) one to carry a 2.5kg payload.
Without the payload it could very very highlike commercial
airplane high.  There's no good reason to do that, but you
*could*.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 2/6/2017 11:11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Climbing is Life


It's not exactly legal to fly them that high (assuming this
was in
the US)...

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:

that is a neat video, I didn't know drones could fly that
high

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Rory Conaway
>
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/embed/f1BgzIZRfT8?feature=player_embedded




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Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
repeated discharge.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>>
>> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-
>> chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-
>> month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-
>> 3310133469912273928
>>
>>
>> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
>> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>>
>> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_
>> Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>>
>> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
>> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
>> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
>> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>>
>> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
>> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
>> batteries in PV applications.
>>
>> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_
>> and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>>
>> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
>> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
>> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
>> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Harold Bledsoe
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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> Harold Bledsoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Nexus Switch / Mikrotik CCR

[Mike Hammett]

I know one of them is a 1036-2S+. This is for our Indianapolis IX fabric , so 
we don't control the routers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 12:05:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Nexus Switch / Mikrotik CCR 

This is one of the ICN's Nexus switches. We played around with a few different 
settings and were never able to get anything to work. What CCR model are you 
using? 

On Monday, February 6, 2017, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




We have a bunch of CCRs connected to a Nexus 9396. No issues that I'm aware of. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:11:47 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Nexus Switch / Mikrotik CCR 


Has anyone had any success with linking these two via fiber? We were unable to 
get the link to work, so I ended up using a Cisco router as an intermediary. 
I'd like to get rid of that extra hardware if possible. 


-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Nexus Switch / Mikrotik CCR

[Jason McKemie]

This is one of the ICN's Nexus switches. We played around with a few
different settings and were never able to get anything to work. What CCR
model are you using?

On Monday, February 6, 2017, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> We have a bunch of CCRs connected to a Nexus 9396. No issues that I'm
> aware of.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 1:11:47 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cisco Nexus Switch / Mikrotik CCR
>
> Has anyone had any success with linking these two via fiber? We were
> unable to get the link to work, so I ended up using a Cisco router as an
> intermediary.  I'd like to get rid of that extra hardware if possible.
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Rick Harnish]

Me too! Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Feb 6, 2017 12:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:Excellent … see you there! :)PaulOn Feb 6, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:I'm going to the conference in Ottawa next week.On 2/4/2017 6:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in Gatineau, QC (Canada)?�Thanks,Paul�-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Firefox and Grandstream PBX's

[Bill Prince]

Am I that far behind on FF updates? I just checked my FF, and it says 
it's version 36.0.1?!?


Maybe it's a good thing that I haven't been doing auto updates?


bp


On 2/6/2017 7:13 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
My Browser got upgraded to Firefox 50.0, and ever since I've been 
having trouble getting into Grandstream PBX's.  On some PBX's I can 
log in, and then navigate to a dozen or so pages, then it just stops 
responding.  On others, I can't even pull up the login screen. Chrome 
still seems to work OK, but has the annoying certificate security 
every time you login.  Has anyone else run into this?