Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Adam Moffett]

I routinely delete it.  I usually add a new full access user, then login 
with the new user to verify it works, then delete admin.  Done it 
hundreds of times.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jesse DuPont" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/7/2017 10:17:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

You could also rename the "admin" user, but I suspect deleting it is 
disallowed in RouterOS and as a failsafe, it is simply recreating it. 
Alternative fact?


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 3/7/17 8:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I've never deleted the 'admin' account because of stupid crap like 
this. Could you imagine this happening after upgrading a whole bunch 
of important routers? That would suck. I'd say set a very strong 
password for the admin user and leave it alone. But that's just me.


What version of RouterOS is this again? There was a problem on the 
tile arch quite a while ago where IIRC, you'd set the admin password 
and it'd be gone after a reboot. I think that was back in the 6.10's 
or 20's.


On 3/7/2017 8:17 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
Nope…add in a terminal session with full rights.  My new users are 
created.  If I leave the default admin in with no password…I can 
return using the new login and pass.  The second I delete the admin 
account…next time I return the new users are wiped out and the admin 
account is back in place.




Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

519-449-5656 x-600





From: Af   on 
behalf of Adam Moffett  

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"  


Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com"  


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue



Just to cover the dumb questions:

How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet 
lossin which case changing it via CLI might work.


Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?



-- Original Message --

From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 

To: "af@afmug.com"  

Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue



We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a 
CCR router.




Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no 
password?  Anyone ever see this








Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Adam Moffett]

Shut up.  My dad can beat up your dad.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/7/2017 11:27:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

Where is the OT on this?  Unless your mom knows more than you about 
wireless.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

This is WAY better than politics.

Adam Moffett wrote:

 So is your mom


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: 3/7/2017 1:25:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it


 Your face is awful >:}

 On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

 Tool is just awful.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 Direct: 937-552-2343 
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> 
wrote:


 no tool?  I'm disappointed...

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jay Weekley 
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

 That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee
 asked me a few
 hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if 
I

 had the
 opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer
 followed closely by
 Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.

 Sterling Jacobson wrote:
 > A little Monday fun.
 >
 > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and
 started a WISP.
 >
 > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early
 2000's and I was sick of it.
 >
 > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
 >
 > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise 
and

 comfort zone.
 >
 > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs
 that got me through it all.
 >
 > I think I played this song every time I started up the
 mountain to fix another POS radio problem, lol!
 >
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
 
 >
 > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
 >
 >
 > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
 > Rise above the obstacles
 > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
 > Things that I already know (I know)
 > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
 > Take another point of view
 > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
 > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
 > --> You've got to believe in yourself
 > or no one Will believe in you
 > Imagination like a bird on the wing
 > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
 > I can't believe they stop and stare
 > And point their fingers doubting me
 > Their disbelief suppresses them
 > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't 
see

 > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
 > Mountains move before my eyes
 > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
 > Speculation of the wise
 >
 >
 > -
 > No virus found in this message.
 > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
 > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 -
 Release Date: 03/06/17
 >
 >
 >
 >




 No virus found in this message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
 Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14073 - Release Date:
 03/07/17

[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Stefan Englhardt]

May be it's due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.

Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it's due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the

same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with

poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are

quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.

Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering

some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.



What is your experience?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Josh Baird]

My experience is that anytime one fails or has a problem (or bug), I
quickly get told it must be my fault because their products don't have
problems.  I understand that I could have been at fault in at least a
couple of these failure instances, but not all.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in
> our Network.
>
> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding
> (all other Equipment at the
>
> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one
> suddenly rebooting with
>
> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of
> this switches was old and conditions are
>
> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure
> rates with MT-Switches/Routers.
>
> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They
> pointed me to a hack where soldering
>
> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.
>
>
>
> What is your experience?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Let's look at the facts. 

Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing. 
There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major source 
of damage. 
(Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case 
grounding). 
They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option if 
there was something defective in mfg. 
(yes you have to accept their opinion). 
Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are 
wrong until proven correct.. 
I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in trying 
to pull fast ones... 

FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product that we 
feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice. 

We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to lightning, 
(possible grounding issues), we have them repaired 
(approx half the cost of new). 

Overall I have no complaints... 
(Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed attention to 
detail also comes with having to put up with the personality of the person on 
the other side). 

My Two Cents worth. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our
> Network.

> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding (all
> other Equipment at the

> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
> suddenly
> rebooting with

> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this
> switches was old and conditions are

> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates
> with MT-Switches/Routers.

> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me
> to a hack where soldering

> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.

> What is your experience?

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Andreas Wiatowski]

It will not even keep a changed password on the admin user.  This happened new 
out of the box.  We have 100’s of CCR’s and never have come across this.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

You could also rename the "admin" user, but I suspect deleting it is disallowed 
in RouterOS and as a failsafe, it is simply recreating it. Alternative fact?
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
[cid:image002.png@01D297F0.2AB97C70]
On 3/7/17 8:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I've never deleted the 'admin' account because of stupid crap like this. Could 
you imagine this happening after upgrading a whole bunch of important routers? 
That would suck. I'd say set a very strong password for the admin user and 
leave it alone. But that's just me.

What version of RouterOS is this again? There was a problem on the tile arch 
quite a while ago where IIRC, you'd set the admin password and it'd be gone 
after a reboot. I think that was back in the 6.10's or 20's.
On 3/7/2017 8:17 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
Nope…add in a terminal session with full rights.  My new users are created.  If 
I leave the default admin in with no password…I can return using the new login 
and pass.  The second I delete the admin account…next time I return the new 
users are wiped out and the admin account is back in place.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600


From: Af  on behalf of Adam 
Moffett 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 

Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

Just to cover the dumb questions:
How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet lossin 
which case changing it via CLI might work.
Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --
From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no password?  
Anyone ever see this



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Rory Conaway]

My Dad's Italian.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jqLeK6aP5s

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

Shut up.  My dad can beat up your dad.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/7/2017 11:27:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

>Where is the OT on this?  Unless your mom knows more than you about 
>wireless.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:21 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>
>This is WAY better than politics.
>
>Adam Moffett wrote:
>>  So is your mom
>>
>>
>>  -- Original Message --
>>  From: "Josh Reynolds" > >
>>  To: af@afmug.com 
>>  Sent: 3/7/2017 1:25:34 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>>
>>>  Your face is awful >:}
>>>
>>>  On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Tool is just awful.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>  Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>  Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>  1100 Wayne St
>>>  Suite 1337
>>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>  no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  *From:* Jay Weekley 
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>>  *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
>>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>>>
>>>  That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee
>>>  asked me a few
>>>  hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if 
>>>I
>>>  had the
>>>  opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer
>>>  followed closely by
>>>  Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
>>>
>>>  Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>>  > A little Monday fun.
>>>  >
>>>  > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and
>>>  started a WISP.
>>>  >
>>>  > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early
>>>  2000's and I was sick of it.
>>>  >
>>>  > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>>>  >
>>>  > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise 
>>>and
>>>  comfort zone.
>>>  >
>>>  > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs
>>>  that got me through it all.
>>>  >
>>>  > I think I played this song every time I started up the
>>>  mountain to fix another POS radio problem, lol!
>>>  >
>>>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
>>>  
>>>  >
>>>  > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
>>>  > Rise above the obstacles
>>>  > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
>>>  > Things that I already know (I know)
>>>  > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
>>>  > Take another point of view
>>>  > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
>>>  > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
>>>  > --> You've got to believe in yourself
>>>  > or no one Will believe in you
>>>  > Imagination like a bird on the wing
>>>  > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
>>>  > I can't believe they stop and stare
>>>  > And point their fingers doubting me
>>>  > Their disbelief suppresses them
>>>  > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't 
>>>see
>>>  > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
>>>  > Mountains move before my eyes
>>>  > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
>>>  > Speculation of the wise
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > -
>>>  > No virus found in this message.
>>>  > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>>  > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 -
>>>  Release Date: 03/06/17
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>  No virus found in this message.
>>  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[Josh Luthman]

Uh that's exactly how you'd get the duplicate MACs :(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:00 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Good thought, but no.  We copy paste config using export file and there
> are no MAC addresses.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log
>
>
>
> Copied and pasted a config, including bridge MAC address, from one router
> to a newly deployed router?
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 3/7/17 2:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever had this error message in the Mikrotik log?
>
>
>
> Interface, warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own address
> as source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop
>
>
>
> This message is appearing on one of our vpls hub routers.  Any ideas on
> how to track down the cause?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Mikrotik's Offical Response to Wikileaks CIA Drop

[Mike Hammett]

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119308&p=587512#p587512 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[Adam Moffett]

I think he means that by copying and pasting from the export they can be 
selective about what they're copying.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/8/2017 9:55:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log


Uh that's exactly how you'd get the duplicate MACs :(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:00 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
Good thought, but no.  We copy paste config using export file and 
there are no MAC addresses.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:30 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log



Copied and pasted a config, including bridge MAC address, from one 
router to a newly deployed router?


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc 



Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 3/7/17 2:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Has anyone ever had this error message in the Mikrotik log?



Interface, warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own 
address as source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop




This message is appearing on one of our vpls hub routers.  Any ideas 
on how to track down the cause?




Thanks



Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik's Offical Response to Wikileaks CIA Drop

[Mike Hammett]

At least one of my posts went through. All of my WISPA ones bounced. *sigh* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:56:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik's Offical Response to Wikileaks CIA Drop 


https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119308&p=587512#p587512 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Rory Conaway]

I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or 70 
out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small company, 
your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his switches, as 
he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now the only switch we 
use in the field.

The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to 6.0 
and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of petty 
in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona temperatures.  
I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC 
input for what that's worth.

The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Let's look at the facts.

Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major source 
of damage.
(Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case 
grounding).
They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option if 
there was something defective in mfg.
(yes you have to accept their opinion).
Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are 
wrong until proven correct..
   I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in 
trying to pull fast ones...

FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product that we 
feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.

We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to lightning, 
(possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
(approx half the cost of new).

Overall I have no complaints...
  (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed attention 
to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality of the person 
on the other side).

My Two Cents worth.

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.
Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the
same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with
poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are
quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.
Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering
some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.

What is your experience?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Josh Luthman]

I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC
input for what that's worth.

The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Let's look at the facts.
>
> Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
> There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major
> source of damage.
> (Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case
> grounding).
> They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option
> if there was something defective in mfg.
> (yes you have to accept their opinion).
> Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are
> wrong until proven correct..
>I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in
> trying to pull fast ones...
>
> FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product
> that we feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.
>
> We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to
> lightning, (possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
> (approx half the cost of new).
>
> Overall I have no complaints...
>   (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed
> attention to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality
> of the person on the other side).
>
> My Two Cents worth.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in
> our Network.
>
> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding
> (all other Equipment at the
>
> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one
> suddenly rebooting with
>
> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of
> this switches was old and conditions are
>
> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure
> rates with MT-Switches/Routers.
>
> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They
> pointed me to a hack where soldering
>
> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.
>
>
>
> What is your experience?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik's Offical Response to Wikileaks CIA Drop

[Jon Bruce]

Thanks for sharing that, I was wondering what they'd say.  It seems 
logical.  I also can't understand why someone would allow public access 
to an admin interface anyway.


Are these the same people that leave SCADA networks open on the Internet?



On 3/8/2017 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
At least one of my posts went through. All of my WISPA ones bounced.  
*sigh*




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Mike Hammett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:56:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik's Offical Response to Wikileaks CIA Drop

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119308&p=587512#p587512



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Carl Peterson]

We use a lot of them and thus far no hardware issues that I'm aware of.  We
primarily run DC versions.  I'd be interested in what Netonix switches you
have seen issues with, how they were powered, how they were grounded, and
what the failure mode was.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or
> 70 out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small
> company, your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his
> switches, as he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now
> the only switch we use in the field.
>
> The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to
> 6.0 and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of
> petty in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona
> temperatures.  I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
>
>
> I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC
> input for what that's worth.
>
>
> The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> Let's look at the facts.
>
>
>
> Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
>
> There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major
> source of damage.
>
> (Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case
> grounding).
>
> They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option
> if there was something defective in mfg.
>
> (yes you have to accept their opinion).
>
> Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are
> wrong until proven correct..
>
>I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in
> trying to pull fast ones...
>
>
>
> FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product
> that we feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.
>
>
>
> We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to
> lightning, (possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
>
> (approx half the cost of new).
>
>
>
> Overall I have no complaints...
>
>   (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed
> attention to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality
> of the person on the other side).
>
>
>
> My Two Cents worth.
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in
> our Network.
>
> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding
> (all other Equipment at the
>
> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one
> suddenly rebooting with
>
> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of
> this switches was old and conditions are
>
> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure
> rates with MT-Switches/Routers.
>
> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They
> pointed me to a hack where soldering
>
> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.
>
>
>
> What is your experience?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Josh Baird]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with these switches in general and have
lots of them in the field.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC
> input for what that's worth.
>
> The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Let's look at the facts.
>>
>> Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
>> There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major
>> source of damage.
>> (Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case
>> grounding).
>> They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option
>> if there was something defective in mfg.
>> (yes you have to accept their opinion).
>> Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You
>> are wrong until proven correct..
>>I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in
>> trying to pull fast ones...
>>
>> FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product
>> that we feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.
>>
>> We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to
>> lightning, (possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
>> (approx half the cost of new).
>>
>> Overall I have no complaints...
>>   (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed
>> attention to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality
>> of the person on the other side).
>>
>> My Two Cents worth.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>>
>> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in
>> our Network.
>>
>> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding
>> (all other Equipment at the
>>
>> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one
>> suddenly rebooting with
>>
>> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of
>> this switches was old and conditions are
>>
>> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure
>> rates with MT-Switches/Routers.
>>
>> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They
>> pointed me to a hack where soldering
>>
>> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is your experience?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Rory Conaway]

We have pretty much the entire product line somewhere.  For the most part 
though, we stick with the 6-port Minis and buy 144w power supplies off Amazon, 
the 150’s, and the 12-port DC units.  The 6-port is the least expensive switch 
that supports 24v high for the IgniteNets.  If you use IgniteNet, check the 
switch for that feature because not all of the Netonix switches have that mode, 
especially the 150W AC unit we had started using a bunch of.  The 250w version 
can handle 2 ports with 24vH though.

The only problems I’ve had were grounding on 2 of the units and the repair cost 
was more than reasonable.  That’s not a bad record for the number of switches I 
have and the heat issues that were frying other products.  I’ve got a box of 
TS-5’s that never should have crossed the Arizona border for proof.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

We use a lot of them and thus far no hardware issues that I'm aware of.  We 
primarily run DC versions.  I'd be interested in what Netonix switches you have 
seen issues with, how they were powered, how they were grounded, and what the 
failure mode was.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or 70 
out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small company, 
your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his switches, as 
he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now the only switch we 
use in the field.

The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to 6.0 
and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of petty 
in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona temperatures.  
I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC 
input for what that's worth.

The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Let's look at the facts.

Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major source 
of damage.
(Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case 
grounding).
They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option if 
there was something defective in mfg.
(yes you have to accept their opinion).
Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are 
wrong until proven correct..
   I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in 
trying to pull fast ones...

FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product that we 
feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.

We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to lightning, 
(possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
(approx half the cost of new).

Overall I have no complaints...
  (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed attention 
to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality of the person 
on the other side).

My Two Cents worth.

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.
Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the
same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with
poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are
quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.
Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering
some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.

What is your experience?






--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

[AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Chuck McCown]

I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor temps.  
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We use mainly AC models (WS-12-250AC and WS-8-150-AC).

At some sites they feed minis.



Last dead is a WS-8-150-AC it does a reboot loop. Chris told me it looks like a 
capacitor problem. They got some defective until they noticed. 2 Weeks before a 
Power Supply of a WS-12-250AC died (no voltage on the output pins). Then there 
where 2 WS-12-250AC and a mini which freezed last year due to surge (complete 
dead). But there was no lightning event. So some of this grounding stuff. In 
general we have quite good power supply here.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Carl Peterson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. März 2017 16:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?



We use a lot of them and thus far no hardware issues that I'm aware of.  We 
primarily run DC versions.  I'd be interested in what Netonix switches you have 
seen issues with, how they were powered, how they were grounded, and what the 
failure mode was.



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or 70 
out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small company, 
your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his switches, as 
he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now the only switch we 
use in the field.

The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to 6.0 
and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of petty 
in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona temperatures.  
I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?



I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC 
input for what that's worth.


The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

Let's look at the facts.



Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.

There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major source 
of damage.

(Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case 
grounding).

They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option if 
there was something defective in mfg.

(yes you have to accept their opinion).

Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are 
wrong until proven correct..

   I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in 
trying to pull fast ones...



FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product that we 
feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.



We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to lightning, 
(possible grounding issues), we have them repaired

(approx half the cost of new).



Overall I have no complaints...

  (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed attention 
to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality of the person 
on the other side).



My Two Cents worth.



:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net 




  _


From: "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.

Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the

same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with

poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are

quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.

Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering

some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.



What is your experience?













--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[SmarterBroadband]

But there are no MACs in the export file.  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

 

Uh that's exactly how you'd get the duplicate MACs :(




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:00 PM, SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Good thought, but no.  We copy paste config using export file and there are no 
MAC addresses.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

 

Copied and pasted a config, including bridge MAC address, from one router to a 
newly deployed router?

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net  
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc 
 

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband  


On 3/7/17 2:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Has anyone ever had this error message in the Mikrotik log?

 

Interface, warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own address as 
source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop

 

This message is appearing on one of our vpls hub routers.  Any ideas on how to 
track down the cause?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Chuck McCown]

Those things are very pricy!!!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture 
My snack last night.   Home made

On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor temps.  
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Jaime Solorza]

But you are wealthy and they work...So Zaz

On Mar 8, 2017 10:30 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Those things are very pricy!!!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
>
> Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture
> My snack last night.   Home made
>
> On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor
>> temps.  Any suggestions?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy


Chuck,

How about these https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/

Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:





Those things are very pricy!!!
 
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
 
Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture 
My snack last night.   Home made
 
On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:




I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor temps.  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Chuck McCown]

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazyPretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I 
had something to plug them into at the sites.  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Chuck,

How about these 
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/

Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

-- 
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
--

Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:


 Those things are very pricy!!!

  From: Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

  Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture 
  My snack last night.   Home made

  On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

   I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor 
temps.  Any suggestions? 
 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Jaime Solorza]

Aye Dios!!!   Mikrotik versus Moxa   Industrial tested and proven
versus consumer grade

now watch me get hammered by all you who think Mikrotik stuff is sacrosanct
.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something to plug
> them into at the sites.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
>
> Chuck,
>
> How about these https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-
> modems-co-rt/
>
> Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
>
>
> *--Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:*
>
> Those things are very pricy!!!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
>
> Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture
> My snack last night.   Home made
>
> On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor
> temps.  Any suggestions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Bruce Robertson]

Buy a cheap Mikrotik switch as Mark suggested?   The combination is more 
or less the same thing as the Moxa.  The RB260GS is only $39 list price.


On 3/8/17 10:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something to 
plug them into at the sites.

*From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
*To:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
Chuck,

How about these 
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/


Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

/--
Best regards,
Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
/www.MyakkaTech.com 

/Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
/http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

/Please Donate at Please Donate at /http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:

/

Those things are very pricy!!!

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture
My snack last night.   Home made

On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

	I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor 
temps.  Any suggestions?


!DSPAM:2,58c0502b267121195728798! 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Chuck McCown]

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazyActually, I am leaning toward another product that 
has a good price, temp range and power consumption.  
https://www.netsys-direct.com/products/kit-industrial-grade-vdsl2-ethernet-extender-nv-500ikit

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Buy a cheap Mikrotik switch as Mark suggested?   The combination is more or 
less the same thing as the Moxa.  The RB260GS is only $39 list price.


On 3/8/17 10:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something to plug 
them into at the sites.  

  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

  Chuck,

  How about these 
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/

  Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

  -- 
  Best regards,
  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

  Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
  http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

  Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
  --

  Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:


   Those things are very pricy!!!

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture 
My snack last night.   Home made

On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take 
outdoor temps.  Any suggestions? 
   

  !DSPAM:2,58c0502b267121195728798! 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Bruce Robertson]

Depends on the application as to whether consumer grade is adequate.

On 3/8/17 10:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Aye Dios!!!   Mikrotik versus Moxa   Industrial tested and proven 
versus consumer grade


now watch me get hammered by all you who think Mikrotik stuff is 
sacrosanct .


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something
to plug them into at the sites.
*From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
*To:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
Chuck,

How about these
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/


Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

/--
Best regards,
Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
/www.MyakkaTech.com 

/Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
/http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL


/Please Donate at Please Donate at
/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html

/--

Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:

/

Those things are very pricy!!!

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture
My snack last night.   Home made

On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take
outdoor temps.  Any suggestions?


!DSPAM:2,58c05347270469989312102! 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Jaime Solorza]

Well maybeI know some question why I sometimes use Ubiquiti radios for
SCADA projects, but they work very well for us.

I have used MT routers on a few projects but not a fan boy...just a tool in
my box of thingsjust thought Uncle Chuck would like to use cool stuff
from Moxa.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> Depends on the application as to whether consumer grade is adequate.
>
> On 3/8/17 10:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Aye Dios!!!   Mikrotik versus Moxa   Industrial tested and proven
> versus consumer grade
>
> now watch me get hammered by all you who think Mikrotik stuff is
> sacrosanct .
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something to plug
>> them into at the sites.
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> How about these https://www.versatek.com/produ
>> ct/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/
>>
>> Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>>
>>
>> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life *
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>>
>> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote: *
>>
>> Those things are very pricy!!!
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy
>>
>> Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture
>> My snack last night.   Home made
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take outdoor
>> temps.  Any suggestions?
>>
>
> !DSPAM:2,58c05347270469989312102!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

[Chuck McCown]

I would love to use MOXA but the price is killer.  And I think that price is 
just for one end too.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 12:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Well maybeI know some question why I sometimes use Ubiquiti radios for 
SCADA projects, but they work very well for us. 

I have used MT routers on a few projects but not a fan boy...just a tool in my 
box of thingsjust thought Uncle Chuck would like to use cool stuff from 
Moxa.

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

  Depends on the application as to whether consumer grade is adequate.


  On 3/8/17 10:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Aye Dios!!!   Mikrotik versus Moxa   Industrial tested and proven 
versus consumer grade 

now watch me get hammered by all you who think Mikrotik stuff is sacrosanct 
.


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Pretty cool.  I would probably give them a try if I had something to plug 
them into at the sites.  

  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:35 AM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

  Chuck,

  How about these 
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-160kit-vdsl2-sfp-modems-co-rt/

  Pop them into a Mikrotik FTC?

  -- 
  Best regards,
  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

  Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
  http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

  Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
  --

  Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:30:23 PM, you wrote:


   Those things are very pricy!!!

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL being lazy

Moxa... Period ..End of storyAnd bonus picture 
My snack last night.   Home made

On Mar 8, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I need a pair of VDSL2 ethernet line extenders that can take 
outdoor temps.  Any suggestions? 
   


!DSPAM:2,58c05347270469989312102! 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Jeremy]

Is this conditioned AC power on a UPS?  We have yet to lose a Netonix, but
only have one AC that is grounded to the chassis and on a UPS.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We use mainly AC models (WS-12-250AC and WS-8-150-AC).
>
> At some sites they feed minis.
>
>
>
> Last dead is a WS-8-150-AC it does a reboot loop. Chris told me it looks
> like a capacitor problem. They got some defective until they noticed. 2
> Weeks before a Power Supply of a WS-12-250AC died (no voltage on the output
> pins). Then there where 2 WS-12-250AC and a mini which freezed last year
> due to surge (complete dead). But there was no lightning event. So some of
> this grounding stuff. In general we have quite good power supply here.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Carl Peterson
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 8. März 2017 16:18
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
>
>
> We use a lot of them and thus far no hardware issues that I'm aware of.
> We primarily run DC versions.  I'd be interested in what Netonix switches
> you have seen issues with, how they were powered, how they were grounded,
> and what the failure mode was.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or
> 70 out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small
> company, your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his
> switches, as he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now
> the only switch we use in the field.
>
> The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to
> 6.0 and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of
> petty in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona
> temperatures.  I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
>
>
> I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC
> input for what that's worth.
>
>
> The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> Let's look at the facts.
>
>
>
> Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.
>
> There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major
> source of damage.
>
> (Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case
> grounding).
>
> They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option
> if there was something defective in mfg.
>
> (yes you have to accept their opinion).
>
> Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are
> wrong until proven correct..
>
>I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in
> trying to pull fast ones...
>
>
>
> FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product
> that we feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.
>
>
>
> We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to
> lightning, (possible grounding issues), we have them repaired
>
> (approx half the cost of new).
>
>
>
> Overall I have no complaints...
>
>   (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed
> attention to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality
> of the person on the other side).
>
>
>
> My Two Cents worth.
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?
>
> May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in
> our Network.
>
> Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding
> (all other Equipment at the
>
> same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one
> suddenly rebooting with
>
> poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of
> this switches was old and conditions are
>
> quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure
> rates with MT-Switches/Routers.
>
> Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They
> pointed me to a hack where soldering
>
> some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.
>
>
>
> What is your experience?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pra

[AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Sterling Jacobson]

There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a trained/schooled 
businessman.

What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?

Minus debt payments.

Mine is currently $38.86 a month.

That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing it by 
number of customers.

It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.

Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas, being 
fiber it's geographically bound of course.

I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a month.

I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really count 
those for much anyways.

What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Gino Villarini]

Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing
>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really
>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Adam Moffett]

.couldn't be

-- Original Message --
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/8/2017 3:20:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month


Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and 
dividing

>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't 
really

>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Sterling Jacobson]

Of course not, it's horrible with fiber, lol!

This is just monthly costs to operate the company minus any capex or debt 
payments.

Our current debt repayments are almost exactly one third of our monthly revenue.

And by end of year, that will likely be almost one half our monthly revenue.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2980F.57B9C710]
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20sterl...@avative.net>>
 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing
>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really
>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Jason McKemie]

The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a
regular basis.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> check it out
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Andy Trimmell]

Made  by Hubbard

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

 

The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a 
regular basis.

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

check it out


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Jaime Solorza]

Maybe Chuck can get ideas from this design.   No consulting fee...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> Made  by Hubbard
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount
>
>
>
> The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a
> regular basis.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> check it out
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Andy Trimmell]

Correction Hubbell

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:59 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

 

Maybe Chuck can get ideas from this design.   No consulting fee...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Andy Trimmell  wrote:

Made  by Hubbard

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

 

The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a 
regular basis.

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

check it out


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390  

 

 

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Jason McKemie]

What are the options for both the service and hardware?  I'm hoping for
something with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Lewis Bergman]

I think that has been a standard power pole mount used by utilities for
years.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:59 PM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> Correction Hubbell
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount
>
>
>
> Maybe Chuck can get ideas from this design.   No consulting fee...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Made  by Hubbard
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount
>
>
>
> The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a
> regular basis.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> check it out
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Jaime Solorza]

We are using CradlePoint for remote camera access on buses and MDS Orbit
MCR for SCADA systems using Verizon's service.   Solid service on both.
Don't know costs per month but excellent speeds when I have to test them.
usually over 20Mbps down and 6 to 10MBps up..LTE is good around hereon
road it switches to 3G on some areas of I-25 or 54 in New Mexico where are
our buses travel but usually LTE connections.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What are the options for both the service and hardware?  I'm hoping for
> something with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Jason McKemie]

I'm not terribly concerned with speed, since this will just need to be
running credit card transactions for a business.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We are using CradlePoint for remote camera access on buses and MDS Orbit
> MCR for SCADA systems using Verizon's service.   Solid service on both.
> Don't know costs per month but excellent speeds when I have to test them.
> usually over 20Mbps down and 6 to 10MBps up..LTE is good around hereon
> road it switches to 3G on some areas of I-25 or 54 in New Mexico where are
> our buses travel but usually LTE connections.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> What are the options for both the service and hardware?  I'm hoping for
>> something with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Chuck McCown]

Normally you have your revenue (top line) minus all your expense directly 
related to providing the services.  “Cost of goods sold” or COGS is a big part 
of your expenses.  Cost of BW, power, direct labor, health insurance, loan 
interest, depreciation expense, etc that will give you gross income.  Note loan 
interest is an expense, the principle part is not.

All that stuff is called “above the line” or ATL.

Then you have all the expenses that are there with or without customers.  
Office rent, power, extraordinary expenses etc.  

This stuff is “below the line” or BTL.  

Then you add ATL and BTL and hopefully you will have a positive number.  That 
is your Net Income.  The “bottom line”.  

You can have positive cash flow but negative income due to the effect of 
depreciation and other things.
Or you can have a positive net income but a negative cash flow due to investing 
in more stuff.  

Like I said, the principle part of your debt payments are not expenses, they 
are in investment.  That is just converting dollars into other assets.So 
you are keeping that money, just in a very hard to liquidate form. 

As long as your bottom line is positive and you are cash flow positive you are 
good.  Assuming you are paying yourself a paycheck.   



From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Of course not, it’s horrible with fiber, lol!

 

This is just monthly costs to operate the company minus any capex or debt 
payments.

 

Our current debt repayments are almost exactly one third of our monthly revenue.

 

And by end of year, that will likely be almost one half our monthly revenue.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

 

Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"

   

  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing
>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really
>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

[AFMUG] Mailman provider

[Chuck McCown]

Here is a response from one of the services I contacted.  

From: Brian Carpenter 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:52 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown' 
Subject: RE: New Message (sent by contact form at dotList)

We rarely get blacklisted and we do we work quickly with the providing doing 
the blacklist. We have not been on a RBL in years but we do have, on rare 
occasions, issues with a particular provider such as Yahoo.

 

We fully support our list clients in all aspects of our services including 
delivery issues that may come up.

 

We cannot control another provider marking a communication as spam. Typically 
it is the message content that causes such issues and we have nothing to do 
with the content of the messages being sent out.

 



 

Brian Carpenter
Owner



Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years.


T: 336.755.0685
E: br...@emwd.com
www.emwd.com



 





 

From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 6:18 PM
To: Brian Carpenter 
Subject: Re: New Message (sent by contact form at dotList)

 

  1.. Do you ever get blacklisted and what do you do about it? 
  2.. Do you offer support when someone says the “list isn’t working, I can’t 
get signed up, etc. etc.” ? and who interacts with them to bring about 
resolution? 
  3.. Do you deal with “firewalls” like Baracuda which are sometimes quick to 
mark things as SPAM?
 

From: Brian Carpenter 

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:06 PM

To: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Subject: RE: New Message (sent by contact form at dotList)

 

Hi Chuck,

 

If you are referring to an existing mailman archive then yes.

 

Please let me know if you need further assistance.

 



 

Brian Carpenter
Owner

Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years.


T: 336.755.0685
E: br...@emwd.com
www.emwd.com

 





 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 5:39 PM
To: br...@emwd.com
Subject: New Message (sent by contact form at dotList)

 

Name: chuck McCown 
E-Mail: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: migration 

Message: Will you be able to import our old archives from our list? 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Chuck McCown]

Let me add, as long as bottom line “BL” is positive and you are cash flow 
positive AND on your balance sheet your Equity is not declining you are good.  

Assuming BL and cash flow are good, if Equity is level or increasing month over 
month you are good.
If Equity is declining you are riding a dying horse.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Normally you have your revenue (top line) minus all your expense directly 
related to providing the services.  “Cost of goods sold” or COGS is a big part 
of your expenses.  Cost of BW, power, direct labor, health insurance, loan 
interest, depreciation expense, etc that will give you gross income.  Note loan 
interest is an expense, the principle part is not.

All that stuff is called “above the line” or ATL.

Then you have all the expenses that are there with or without customers.  
Office rent, power, extraordinary expenses etc.  

This stuff is “below the line” or BTL.  

Then you add ATL and BTL and hopefully you will have a positive number.  That 
is your Net Income.  The “bottom line”.  

You can have positive cash flow but negative income due to the effect of 
depreciation and other things.
Or you can have a positive net income but a negative cash flow due to investing 
in more stuff.  

Like I said, the principle part of your debt payments are not expenses, they 
are in investment.  That is just converting dollars into other assets.So 
you are keeping that money, just in a very hard to liquidate form. 

As long as your bottom line is positive and you are cash flow positive you are 
good.  Assuming you are paying yourself a paycheck.   



From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Of course not, it’s horrible with fiber, lol!

 

This is just monthly costs to operate the company minus any capex or debt 
payments.

 

Our current debt repayments are almost exactly one third of our monthly revenue.

 

And by end of year, that will likely be almost one half our monthly revenue.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

 

Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"

   

  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing
>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really
>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Chuck McCown]

And a dyeing horse too! 

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Let me add, as long as bottom line “BL” is positive and you are cash flow 
positive AND on your balance sheet your Equity is not declining you are good.  

Assuming BL and cash flow are good, if Equity is level or increasing month over 
month you are good.
If Equity is declining you are riding a dying horse.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Normally you have your revenue (top line) minus all your expense directly 
related to providing the services.  “Cost of goods sold” or COGS is a big part 
of your expenses.  Cost of BW, power, direct labor, health insurance, loan 
interest, depreciation expense, etc that will give you gross income.  Note loan 
interest is an expense, the principle part is not.

All that stuff is called “above the line” or ATL.

Then you have all the expenses that are there with or without customers.  
Office rent, power, extraordinary expenses etc.  

This stuff is “below the line” or BTL.  

Then you add ATL and BTL and hopefully you will have a positive number.  That 
is your Net Income.  The “bottom line”.  

You can have positive cash flow but negative income due to the effect of 
depreciation and other things.
Or you can have a positive net income but a negative cash flow due to investing 
in more stuff.  

Like I said, the principle part of your debt payments are not expenses, they 
are in investment.  That is just converting dollars into other assets.So 
you are keeping that money, just in a very hard to liquidate form. 

As long as your bottom line is positive and you are cash flow positive you are 
good.  Assuming you are paying yourself a paycheck.   



From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

Of course not, it’s horrible with fiber, lol!

 

This is just monthly costs to operate the company minus any capex or debt 
payments.

 

Our current debt repayments are almost exactly one third of our monthly revenue.

 

And by end of year, that will likely be almost one half our monthly revenue.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

 

Are you including capex?

On 3/8/17, 4:09 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"

   

  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



 wrote:

>There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a
>trained/schooled businessman.
>
>What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?
>
>Minus debt payments.
>
>Mine is currently $38.86 a month.
>
>That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing
>it by number of customers.
>
>It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.
>
>Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas,
>being fiber it's geographically bound of course.
>
>I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a
>month.
>
>I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really
>count those for much anyways.
>
>What do you guys think?

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount

[Jeremy]

I have used these for antennas before also.  We were mounting 3" poles onto
the telephone poles of a pole barn in order to build out a site. Makeshift
insta-tower.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I think that has been a standard power pole mount used by utilities for
> years.
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:59 PM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> Correction Hubbell
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:59 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Chuck can get ideas from this design.   No consulting fee...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Made  by Hubbard
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting mount
>>
>>
>>
>> The local power company here uses something almost identical to this on a
>> regular basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> check it out
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mailman provider

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/8/17 14:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

Here is a response from one of the services I contacted.



Anyone on this list who clicks the "spam" button on a list email should 
be publicly ridiculed and be forced to take a remedial computer class 
geared for old people that have never seen a computer before.

Re: [AFMUG] Mailman provider

[Chuck McCown]

Just cut a half inch of their index finger.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:56 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mailman provider 


On 3/8/17 14:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

Here is a response from one of the services I contacted.



Anyone on this list who clicks the "spam" button on a list email should 
be publicly ridiculed and be forced to take a remedial computer class 
geared for old people that have never seen a computer before.

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

[Sterling Jacobson]

Does anyone want to share their metric?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:09 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost of Operations per Customer a month

There is probably a name for this in business, but I'm not a trained/schooled 
businessman.

What is your ISP cost per customer to operate right now?

Minus debt payments.

Mine is currently $38.86 a month.

That is taking my normal monthly costs minus loan payments and dividing it by 
number of customers.

It seems high to me, but I am just getting started I figure.

Mine should go down some as I grow customers in already built areas, being 
fiber it's geographically bound of course.

I think by the end of this year I should be around $25 per customer a month.

I don't have many business clients, but this calculation doesn't really count 
those for much anyways.

What do you guys think?

[AFMUG] Cambium 900MHz Sector

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know who makes the Cambium 900MHz 450 sector antenna?

I’m looking for the pattern file.

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chris Fabien]

Gerard,
Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses for
this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT, etc.
Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you buying
them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the licenscing/server
software?

Thanks
Chris


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
> card.
>
> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
> or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
> do AC directly inside the C320.
>
> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>>
>> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-
>> OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR&s=p
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>>>
>>> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart 
 wrote:

> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
> more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
> junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and
> Power Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>> another OLT if needed.
>>
>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in
>>> cabinets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>
>>>
>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>
>>>
>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry 
>>> that
>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  
>>> All
>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released
>>> this year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>>
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>>> george.sk

[AFMUG] AT&T to begin selling LAA equipment for 5 GHz soon, service will launch sometime this year | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/at-t-to-begin-selling-laa-equipment-for-5-ghz-soon-service-will-launch-sometime-year

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[George Skorup]

ZTE fined $900M by US Commerce Dept for selling telco gear to Iran and 
North Korea. Hmmm


On 3/8/2017 8:04 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Gerard,
Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software 
licenses for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, 
$5.50 per ONT, etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these 
required? Are you buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work 
without the licenscing/server software?


Thanks
Chris

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
mailto:ger...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:


That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the
GTGO 8 port card.

We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco
batteries or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink
cards with a PRAM and do AC directly inside the C320.

There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the
SMXA uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is
just 1G. Card SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same
for the ETP4830-A1, one of the subcards has ethernet and the other
2 models only have RS232/RS485.



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?


https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR&s=p



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...

I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics. 
LOL!


Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not
buying Alphion, ZTE.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
wrote:

Interesting …. do they work ok?

I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT
stuff … considerably more than that.  I did look
at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my
thing.



On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>>
wrote:

I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with
Class Optics and Power Supply for $3200. ONT's
for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
split. Check Alibaba.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it
down to 16:1 and throw in another OLT if needed.

On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their
initial deployment was 64x1. The company I
just got off the ground did 16x1.

On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

AE gets to be a headache with power
costs and heat control in cabinets.


Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now
and probably well into the future.


I believe that is what Google did, maybe
8:1 max split?


The temptation with GPON is to stretch
it to the limits, which might cause some
re-splicing down the road if you want
super high FDX.


AE doesn’t have that problem even with
equipment a decade old I can still
supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps
each if I want to carry that much on the
backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and
it’s essentially backwards compatible
with GPON if your neighborhood runs are
short like mine. But again, lots of
power is required.


*F

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Josh Reynolds]

Google "Cisco Fined", and you'll find everything from license / IP
violations to Russian kickbacks.

On Mar 8, 2017 8:49 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

ZTE fined $900M by US Commerce Dept for selling telco gear to Iran and
North Korea. Hmmm


On 3/8/2017 8:04 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Gerard,
Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses for
this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT, etc.
Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you buying
them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the licenscing/server
software?

Thanks
Chris


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
> card.
>
> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
> or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
> do AC directly inside the C320.
>
> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>>
>> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-O
>> LT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR&s=p
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>>>
>>> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart 
 wrote:

> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
> more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
> junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and
> Power Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>> another OLT if needed.
>>
>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in
>>> cabinets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>
>>>
>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>
>>>
>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry 
>>> that
>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  
>>> All
>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released
>>> this year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Call Balticnetworks and speak with Brian Vargas.. he is the subject matter 
expert on Mikrotik + Cellular 
You can google for his MUM Presentations. 
(They also sell M2M plans from different carriers). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:01:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

> I'm not terribly concerned with speed, since this will just need to be running
> credit card transactions for a business.

> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> We are using CradlePoint for remote camera access on buses and MDS Orbit MCR 
>> for
>> SCADA systems using Verizon's service. Solid service on both. Don't know 
>> costs
>> per month but excellent speeds when I have to test them. usually over 20Mbps
>> down and 6 to 10MBps up..LTE is good around hereon road it switches to 3G
>> on some areas of I-25 or 54 in New Mexico where are our buses travel but
>> usually LTE connections.

>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390

>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < 
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> > wrote:

>>> What are the options for both the service and hardware? I'm hoping for 
>>> something
>>> with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.
>>> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

if just doing Credit Cards.. then Talk to the IP Pay folks.. and see if they 
have a Cell Phone Credit Card Scanner.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:01:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

> I'm not terribly concerned with speed, since this will just need to be running
> credit card transactions for a business.

> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> We are using CradlePoint for remote camera access on buses and MDS Orbit MCR 
>> for
>> SCADA systems using Verizon's service. Solid service on both. Don't know 
>> costs
>> per month but excellent speeds when I have to test them. usually over 20Mbps
>> down and 6 to 10MBps up..LTE is good around hereon road it switches to 3G
>> on some areas of I-25 or 54 in New Mexico where are our buses travel but
>> usually LTE connections.

>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390

>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < 
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> > wrote:

>>> What are the options for both the service and hardware? I'm hoping for 
>>> something
>>> with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.
>>> -Jason

[AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Ryan Ray]

Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came
across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.

The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal
conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.



The equipment:

A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced

C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced

G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version

Client Router – Asus N600



The problem:

G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the
passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the
download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.





The solution:



   1. Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
   2. In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still
   using G2.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup

[Jason McKemie]

It's through an existing POS, so I'll have to have an IP handoff.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> if just doing Credit Cards.. then Talk to the IP Pay folks.. and see if
> they have a Cell Phone Credit Card Scanner..
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:01:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cellular Backup
>
> I'm not terribly concerned with speed, since this will just need to be
> running credit card transactions for a business.
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> We are using CradlePoint for remote camera access on buses and MDS Orbit
>> MCR for SCADA systems using Verizon's service.   Solid service on both.
>> Don't know costs per month but excellent speeds when I have to test them.
>> usually over 20Mbps down and 6 to 10MBps up..LTE is good around hereon
>> road it switches to 3G on some areas of I-25 or 54 in New Mexico where are
>> our buses travel but usually LTE connections.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What are the options for both the service and hardware?  I'm hoping for
>>> something with a low monthly fee since it will rarely if ever get used.
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

Chris,

Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their management
system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller we
originally found on Alibaba.

Gerard


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:

Gerard,
Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses for
this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT, etc.
Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you buying
them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the licenscing/server
software?

Thanks
Chris

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
card.

We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
do AC directly inside the C320.

There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?

https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR&s=p

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...

I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Interesting …. do they work ok?

I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.


On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
split.  Check Alibaba.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
another OLT if needed.

On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.

On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.


Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.


I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?


The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.


AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
again, lots of power is required.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.


*From:* Carlos Alcantar

*Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.



Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
http://www.race.com

--

*From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
george.sko...@cbcast.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones and
watching Netflix.

The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k po

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Rory Conaway]

I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came 
across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.

The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal 
conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.

The equipment:
A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
Client Router – Asus N600

The problem:
G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the 
passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the 
download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.


The solution:


  1.  Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
  2.  In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still using 
G2.

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Ryan Ray]

It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own
router but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into
passthru after they were ready.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came
> across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.
>
>
>
> The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal
> conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.
>
>
>
> The equipment:
>
> A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
>
> Client Router – Asus N600
>
>
>
> The problem:
>
> G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the
> passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the
> download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.
>
>
>
>
>
> The solution:
>
>
>
>1. Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
>2. In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still
>using G2.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Rory Conaway]

Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own router 
but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into passthru 
after they were ready.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came 
across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.

The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal 
conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.

The equipment:
A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
Client Router – Asus N600

The problem:
G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the 
passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the 
download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.


The solution:


  1.  Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
  2.  In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still using 
G2.

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Ryan Ray]

Yes. I can replicate it on multiple G2's, multiple 100Mb routers and cables
and multiple site locations.


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own
> router but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into
> passthru after they were ready.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came
> across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.
>
>
>
> The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal
> conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.
>
>
>
> The equipment:
>
> A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
>
> Client Router – Asus N600
>
>
>
> The problem:
>
> G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the
> passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the
> download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.
>
>
>
>
>
> The solution:
>
>
>
>1. Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
>2. In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still
>using G2.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Rory Conaway]

Weird, haven’t seen it but I only have 1 customer with his own router behind a 
G2. I’m checking it now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Yes. I can replicate it on multiple G2's, multiple 100Mb routers and cables and 
multiple site locations.


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own router 
but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into passthru 
after they were ready.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came 
across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.

The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal 
conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.

The equipment:
A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
Client Router – Asus N600

The problem:
G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the 
passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the 
download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.


The solution:


  1.  Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
  2.  In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still using 
G2.

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Rory Conaway]

Are the ports negotiating at 1Gbps?  I just checked the client we have and he 
has had peaks of over 40Mbps although 95% of his bandwidth is under 10Mbps.  
Turn it over to tech support and see what they say.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Weird, haven’t seen it but I only have 1 customer with his own router behind a 
G2. I’m checking it now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Yes. I can replicate it on multiple G2's, multiple 100Mb routers and cables and 
multiple site locations.


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own router 
but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into passthru 
after they were ready.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came 
across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.

The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal 
conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.

The equipment:
A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
Client Router – Asus N600

The problem:
G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the 
passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the 
download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.


The solution:


  1.  Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
  2.  In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still using 
G2.

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Ryan Ray]

C5 is negotiating at 1G but the router is obviously only negotiating at
100Mb.

I don't see this issue on any G2's in routed mode or any G2's in passthru
with a 1g client behind it.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Are the ports negotiating at 1Gbps?  I just checked the client we have and
> he has had peaks of over 40Mbps although 95% of his bandwidth is under
> 10Mbps.  Turn it over to tech support and see what they say.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> Weird, haven’t seen it but I only have 1 customer with his own router
> behind a G2. I’m checking it now.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> Yes. I can replicate it on multiple G2's, multiple 100Mb routers and
> cables and multiple site locations.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own
> router but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into
> passthru after they were ready.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>
>
>
> Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came
> across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.
>
>
>
> The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal
> conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.
>
>
>
> The equipment:
>
> A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>
> G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
>
> Client Router – Asus N600
>
>
>
> The problem:
>
> G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the
> passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the
> download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.
>
>
>
>
>
> The solution:
>
>
>
>1. Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
>2. In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still
>using G2.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers

[Rob Genovesi]

What version is the G2 running?

I believe there was an issue on v1.0 that was later fixed.  Read up
here: http://community.mimosa.co/t/a5-c5-speedtest-ceiling/1793/6

-Rob



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> C5 is negotiating at 1G but the router is obviously only negotiating at
> 100Mb.
>
> I don't see this issue on any G2's in routed mode or any G2's in passthru
> with a 1g client behind it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> Are the ports negotiating at 1Gbps?  I just checked the client we have and
>> he has had peaks of over 40Mbps although 95% of his bandwidth is under
>> 10Mbps.  Turn it over to tech support and see what they say.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>>
>>
>>
>> Weird, haven’t seen it but I only have 1 customer with his own router
>> behind a G2. I’m checking it now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:08 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. I can replicate it on multiple G2's, multiple 100Mb routers and
>> cables and multiple site locations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, something is wrong.  Did you try a different G2 or cable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:42 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>>
>>
>>
>> It was an after need. They wanted to implement a system with their own
>> router but needed internet right away. So I left a G2 and switched it into
>> passthru after they were ready.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m sort of confused.  Why are you using a G2 if you have your own router?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Problem with Mimosa G2 & 100Mb routers
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if anyone else is deploying the Mimosa platform en-mass but came
>> across a new issue today in case you're fighting with things.
>>
>>
>>
>> The issue: Client Router receives very poor download no matter what signal
>> conditions are like. Download capped around 10Mb/s. Upload was unaffected.
>>
>>
>>
>> The equipment:
>>
>> A5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>>
>> C5 – 2.2.1 Version – GPS Synced
>>
>> G2 in passthru – 1.1.2 Version
>>
>> Client Router – Asus N600
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem:
>>
>> G2 has an issue with 100Mb routers. Plugging in a 1Gb client into the
>> passthrued G2 resulted in full speed. Plugging a 100Mb router caused the
>> download to drop to 10Mb/s levels.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The solution:
>>
>>
>>
>> Replace G2 with regular power supply, fixed issue.
>> In C5 change the duplex from auto to 100MF, fixed issue while still using
>> G2.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Josh Reynolds]

What tools are you using for management?

On Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM, "Gerard Dupont III"  wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their
> management system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller
> we originally found on Alibaba.
>
> Gerard
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> Gerard,
> Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses
> for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT,
> etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you
> buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the
> licenscing/server software?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
> wrote:
>
> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
> card.
>
> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
> or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
> do AC directly inside the C320.
>
> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>
> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
> ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.
> 7724838.0.0.zODsrR&s=p
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>
> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.