date:20170322

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined.  Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie.

Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;)

On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Your not watching of my videos has failed you.

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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently 
listed options mention trill in the data sheet.

On Mar 21, 2017 6:41 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I'd look at IgniteNet's new TRILL switch.

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[AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux standby power controller

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

Anyone has  any laying around?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Barber Shops

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

You should get one of those AncestryDNA kits. The results can be pretty
fascinating. I've actually found relatives of mine via DNA matches.

On Mar 22, 2017 12:13 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> George #1 was a barber. Came over early 1900's. George #2 says #1 was
> Austrian. My dad (#3) always argued with his dad because #1's papers said
> Hungary. Nobody knows what the real story is. My mom's dad and his parents
> and grandparents are nearly full blooded German. Yeah, all that German from
> both sides, I know where some of my anger comes from. It's probably good
> that I don't drink.
>
> Funny story about #1. My great aunt (his daughter) found it in the news
> paper from the late 20's or early 30's, I forget. Their apartment was above
> the barber shop. He came upstairs for lunch one day and found his (first)
> wife being shagged by another guy. He shot the guy in the ass climbing out
> of the window. He then shot the ring finger off of her hand. Bam, divorced.
>
> On 3/21/2017 2:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> In St. George, Utah today.ï¿½ Trade show.ï¿½ Need a haircut real bad.ï¿½
> Google barber shops.ï¿½ First one closed, vacant.ï¿½ Second one closed
> vacant.ï¿½ Hmmm
> ï¿½
> Third real barber shop, two guys, looks like perhaps a half hour wait.ï¿½
> After a minute or two the barber asked if my name was on the wall.ï¿½ I
> looked up at a white board and saw perhaps 12 other names.ï¿½ Told him I
> was on a lunch break, he said to come back after work, maybe he would be
> able to fit me in.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> OK, keep driving, across the street a sign says barber shop.ï¿½ Hard to
> figure out where it is, oh, back behind the hair salon.ï¿½ Walked in,
> nobody in there... but then this tall slim woman with long blond hair comes
> walking in and says sit down.ï¿½ German accent.ï¿½ OK fine not a real
> barber but whatever, I need a hair cut.
> ï¿½
> Then she starts on the story.ï¿½ From Germany.ï¿½ A barber not a hair
> dresser.ï¿½ She does not fuss around she says.ï¿½ Been doing this for 25
> years, men only.ï¿½ Trained in Germany.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Hair cut took 10 minutes or less start to finish, including a hot shaving
> mug brush and straight razor to the neck with a hot towel massage.ï¿½ She
> was a real barber, probably the best I have seen for 30 years.ï¿½ $15 In
> and out.ï¿½ German speed andï¿½ precision.ï¿½ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Wish I could take her with me.ï¿½ Harder to find real barbers and real
> barber shops anymore.ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

2017-03-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

>>> Shipped from WA. Cool, guess they're stock some stuff state side now. 

Yes that is true.. I believe they have been expanding their operations in the 
US. 

>>. there's no difference in the optic up to 20km. They're all the same. The 
>>only difference is the label and DDM info. 

Yes and No.. if you look at the specs of 10km optics you will see that the 
TX power is specified in a range...this is normal in the mfg process... the 
20km are the optics that are the ones that are on the higher TX power range of 
the batch. 

But always keep in mind that Distance Labels don't mean anything, and are not a 
standard between mfg. Always check the specs for TX power and RX Sensitivity to 
actually compare optics and their destined application. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:30:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

> I ordered some generic 1G 20km SFPs from FS a couple weeks ago. Got the 
> shipping
> notification. Shipped from WA. Cool, guess they're stock some stuff state side
> now. Got them and they're labeled 10km and Cisco. After a little bit of back
> and forth with the rep, we used them as is. In case you're wondering, there's
> no difference in the optic up to 20km. They're all the same. The only
> difference is the label and DDM info.

> The only issue I've had with FS SFPs is DDM data on the Planet metro switches.
> And only some ports. I asked them to fix their software. Sent them screenshots
> of the exact same SFP in different ports to show which ports it doesn't work
> in. They said sorry, too bad, buy our modules. Nope, sorry, not for 4X the
> cost. FS admitted to changing something with the DDM data on their "new"
> modules about a year and a half ago though.

> On 3/21/2017 6:11 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

>> Yes - we use the 'Juniper' [1] SFP with Netonix frequently.

>> [1] http://www.fs.com/products/13274.html

>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:44 PM, SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote:

>>> Have you tried any of these with a Netonix?

>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:38 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

>>> I'm successfully using all of these with MT:

>>> 1G:

>>> http://www.fs.com/products/13274.html

>>> http://www.fs.com/products/22138.html

>>> http://www.fs.com/products/39418.html

>>> 10G:

>>> http://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Andreas Wiatowski < 
>>> andr...@silowireless.com >
>>> wrote:
 So if I buy the cisco rated ones they should work too??

 Cheers,

 Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

 Silo Wireless Inc.

 1-866-727-4238 x-600

 http://www.silowireless.com

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 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

 Mikrotik doesn't lock their devices in any way, so an optic coded to any 
 brand
 should work just as well as any other.

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 Is there a particular SKU that is Mikrotik compatible at FS.com??

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Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck Hogg

No, I've got multiple brands working.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:49 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?
>
>
> On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
> standards.
>
> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>
> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood of
> rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
> build it.
>
> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Alphion does, yes.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> What kind of costs are you talking?
> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>
> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March 04,
> 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck Hogg

I am replacing my Alphion shelf if anyone is interested in it and ~30 ONTs.


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:07 AM Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> No, I've got multiple brands working.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:49 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?
>
>
> On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
> standards.
>
> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>
> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood of
> rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
> build it.
>
> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Alphion does, yes.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> What kind of costs are you talking?
> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>
> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
> -

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart

some folks were saying how great Alphion is .. why are you selling?


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:09 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> 
> I am replacing my Alphion shelf if anyone is interested in it and ~30 ONTs.  
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:07 AM Chuck Hogg  > wrote:
> No, I've got multiple brands working.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:49 PM George Skorup  > wrote:
> I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?
> 
> 
> On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
> 
>> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software 
>> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you 
>> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs 
>> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open 
>> standards.
>> 
>> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart" > > wrote:
>> haha… yeah fair enough ;)  
>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart" >> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>> 
>>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more 
>>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk 
>>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>> 
>> 
 On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg >>> > wrote:
 
>> 
 I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power 
 Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the 
 split.  Check Alibaba.
>> 
 
 Regards,
 Chuck
 
>> 
 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup >>> > wrote:
>> 
 Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in 
 another OLT if needed.
 
 On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1. 
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
> 
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  > wrote:
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
> 
>  
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
> 
>  
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
> 
>  
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might 
> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
> 
>  
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still 
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that 
> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially 
> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like 
> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
> 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
> 
>  
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple 
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  
> All the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 
> 312.5 Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you 
> could sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of 
> headroom. 
> 
>  
> From: Carlos Alcantar
> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
> 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
> 
>  
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this 
> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
> 
>  
>  
> Carlos Alcantar
> 
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
> 
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
> 
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314  / car...@race.com 
>  / http://www.race.com 
>  
> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf 
> of George Skorup  >
> Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
> 
>  
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones 
> and watching Netflix.
> 
> The AE deploym

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

You can buy third party Alphion optics, if that's who you are talking
about. And yes, they work.

On Mar 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
>> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
>> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
>> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
>> standards.
>>
>> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>
>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>> another OLT if needed.
>>
>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
>> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>>
>>
>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>
>>
>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>
>>
>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
>> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
>> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
>> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
>> again, lots of power is required.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>> http://www.race.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>> and watching Netflix.
>>
>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
>> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>>
>> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood of
>> rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
>> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
>> build it.
>>
>> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Alphion does, yes.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> What kind of costs are you talking?
>> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>>
>> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
>> -Original Message- From: George Skoru

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Fabien

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
machines will tip if you do something stupid.

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
articulated machines.

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
much.

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
lever style.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jason
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Luthman

I have these on my RB2011 and WS-12-250-DC

http://www.fs.com/products/40191.html
http://www.fs.com/products/29848.html


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:44 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Have you tried any of these with a Netonix?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??
>
>
>
> I'm successfully using all of these with MT:
>
>
>
> 1G:
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/13274.html
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/22138.html
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/39418.html
>
>
>
> 10G:
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/11591.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>
> So if I buy the cisco rated ones they should work too??
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4238 x-600 <(866)%20727-4238>
>
> http://www.silowireless.com
>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>
>
>
> _
>
> The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely
> for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not
> the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message
> has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by
> reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
> dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is
> strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> af...@ics-il.net>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??
>
>
>
> Mikrotik doesn't lock their devices in any way, so an optic coded to any
> brand should work just as well as any other.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
> 
>
> *From: *"Andreas Wiatowski" <*andr...@silowireless.com*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:03:49 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??
> 
>
> Is there a particular SKU that is Mikrotik compatible at FS.com??
> 
>
>   
>
> Cheers, 
>
>   
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO 
>
> Silo Wireless Inc. 
>
> *1-866-727-4238 x-600* 
>
> *http://www.silowireless.com* 
>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV 
>
>   
>
> _ 
>
> The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely
> for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not
> the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message
> has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by
> reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
> dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is
> strictly prohibited. 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat tippy 
as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has been 
rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will tip if 
you do something stupid. 

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an articulated 
machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a drop in 
through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit through the 
trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated machines. 

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the drill/bore 
attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator is handy 
but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would recommend a 
separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what model, 
but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly but 
ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

  I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

  Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

  Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
  http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

  Thanks.

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett

So you mean you go to Fiber Store and order one that is coded for 
Alphion?

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 9:23:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

You can buy third party Alphion optics, if that's who you are talking 
about. And yes, they work.

On Mar 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds  
wrote:
Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of 
software toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is 
like 1/8th, you can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs 
and get way more subs installed much faster - and it's something that 
is still based on open standards.

That's a hard business proposition to ignore.

On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

haha… yeah fair enough ;)
On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  
wrote:

Interesting …. do they work ok?

I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … 
considerably more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from 
China and it was total junk in my opinion - some people like it .. 
not my thing.

On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  
wrote:

I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics 
and Power Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 
depending on the split.  Check Alibaba.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:
Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and 
throw in another OLT if needed.

On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment 
was 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.

On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:
AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in 
cabinets.

Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into 
the future.

I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?

The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which 
might cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super 
high FDX.

AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old 
I can still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I 
want to carry that much on the backhaul. Equipment is super 
cheap, and it’s essentially backwards compatible with GPON if 
your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But again, lots of 
power is required.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown

Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and 
multiple wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the 
OSP has to change.  All the splitters etc still work.  That 
will give everyone on the PON 312.5 Mbps symmetrical all at 
the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could sell 1G 
symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.

From: Carlos Alcantar

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

to add to this post with the new PON technologies being 
released this year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non 
issue.

Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314  / 
car...@race.com / http://www.race.com 

From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup 

Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using 
cell phones and watching Netflix.

The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources 
for the utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week 
and turn up another switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less 
than 100Mbps every night. The network owner was convinced that 
everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just don't realize how much 
electronics and power is required for 1k ports. There's less 
than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god, 
lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.

Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a 
neighborhood of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and 
it works fine. They "want more speed" and if they're willing 
to put up some cash for it, then we'll build it.

On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Alphion does, yes.

On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  
wrote:

What kind of costs are you talking?
Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?

Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: 
Saturday, March 04, 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; 
memb...@wispa.org

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett


I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct 
device?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow


I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.

From:Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are 
somewhat tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help 
a lot. Ours has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any 
of these machines will tip if you do something stupid.


The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We 
can plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find 
a way to fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as 
manuverable as the articulated machines.


I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a 
digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer 
drop machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need 
one that much.


That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new 
exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control 
lever style.


On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as 
I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi 
Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some 
main-runs.


I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't 
know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it 
for customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems 
like it could be useful.


Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

[AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Barber Shops

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

familysearch.org is free

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Barber Shops

You should get one of those AncestryDNA kits. The results can be pretty 
fascinating. I've actually found relatives of mine via DNA matches.

On Mar 22, 2017 12:13 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  George #1 was a barber. Came over early 1900's. George #2 says #1 was 
Austrian. My dad (#3) always argued with his dad because #1's papers said 
Hungary. Nobody knows what the real story is. My mom's dad and his parents and 
grandparents are nearly full blooded German. Yeah, all that German from both 
sides, I know where some of my anger comes from. It's probably good that I 
don't drink.

  Funny story about #1. My great aunt (his daughter) found it in the news paper 
from the late 20's or early 30's, I forget. Their apartment was above the 
barber shop. He came upstairs for lunch one day and found his (first) wife 
being shagged by another guy. He shot the guy in the ass climbing out of the 
window. He then shot the ring finger off of her hand. Bam, divorced.

  On 3/21/2017 2:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

In St. George, Utah today.ï¿½ Trade show.ï¿½ Need a haircut real bad.ï¿½ 
Google barber shops.ï¿½ First one closed, vacant.ï¿½ Second one closed 
vacant.ï¿½ Hmmm
ï¿½
Third real barber shop, two guys, looks like perhaps a half hour wait.ï¿½ 
After a minute or two the barber asked if my name was on the wall.ï¿½ I looked 
up at a white board and saw perhaps 12 other names.ï¿½ Told him I was on a 
lunch break, he said to come back after work, maybe he would be able to fit me 
in.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
OK, keep driving, across the street a sign says barber shop.ï¿½ Hard to 
figure out where it is, oh, back behind the hair salon.ï¿½ Walked in, nobody in 
there... but then this tall slim woman with long blond hair comes walking in 
and says sit down.ï¿½ German accent.ï¿½ OK fine not a real barber but whatever, 
I need a hair cut.
ï¿½
Then she starts on the story.ï¿½ From Germany.ï¿½ A barber not a hair 
dresser.ï¿½ She does not fuss around she says.ï¿½ Been doing this for 25 years, 
men only.ï¿½ Trained in Germany.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Hair cut took 10 minutes or less start to finish, including a hot shaving 
mug brush and straight razor to the neck with a hot towel massage.ï¿½ She was a 
real barber, probably the best I have seen for 30 years.ï¿½ $15 In and out.ï¿½ 
German speed andï¿½ precision.ï¿½ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Wish I could take her with me.ï¿½ Harder to find real barbers and real 
barber shops anymore.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart

Might depend on who’s asking ;)


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
> 
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
> 
>> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  
>>  
>> From: Chris Fabien <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
>> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>  
>> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
>> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours 
>> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines 
>> will tip if you do something stupid. 
>>  
>> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an articulated 
>> machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a drop in 
>> through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit through the 
>> trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated machines.
>>  
>> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
>> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a 
>> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop 
>> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that 
>> much.  
>>  
>> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
>> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new 
>> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control 
>> lever style.
>>  
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie < 
>> <>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>> > wrote:
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
>> them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll 
>> be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 
>>  
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
>> limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be 
>> useful.  
>>  
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>  
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg 
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty good job.
Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article about 
some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

  The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an articulated 
machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a drop in 
through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit through the 
trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated machines. 

  I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the drill/bore 
attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator is handy 
but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would recommend a 
separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

  That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what model, 
but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly but 
ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

  On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Steve Utick

.1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.35.2

Same OID all the way back to PTP100

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master?
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Reynolds

No, FS doesn't have them... Yet. They were supposed to be ordering GPON
optics from Alphion to clone, but I don't if they ever did. If you Google
hard enough, there's 2-3 companies that have them.

On Mar 22, 2017 9:52 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> So you mean you go to Fiber Store and order one that is coded for Alphion?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 9:23:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
> You can buy third party Alphion optics, if that's who you are talking
> about. And yes, they work.
>
> On Mar 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
>> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
>>> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
>>> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
>>> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
>>> standards.
>>>
>>> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>>
>>> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>>
>>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
>>> more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
>>> junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>>> another OLT if needed.
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>
>>>
>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>
>>>
>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>>
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>>> and watching Netflix.
>>>
>>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
>>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
>>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
>>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Search on mole missile pneumatic boring tool.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty good job.
Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article about 
some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

  The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an articulated 
machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a drop in 
through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit through the 
trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated machines. 

  I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the drill/bore 
attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator is handy 
but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would recommend a 
separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

  That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what model, 
but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly but 
ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

  On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] SCADA testing

2017-03-22 Thread Bill Prince


If one is influent, wouldn't the other be outfluent?


bp


On 3/21/2017 7:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

It’s affluent, not influent.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:06 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA testing
All this technology at subsecond response time...Multi million dollars 
invested...And some technician does thisYa rajul
On Mar 21, 2017 9:27 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:


Testing our RF and wired networks with Tonka engineer.  He has
cell hotspot connected to laptop which is controlled by engineer
back east and I disable LAN ports to test heartbeat , alarms and
recovery via wired connection to wireless and down to wired.  
Response time is phenomenal...100% Ubiquiti.Tonka guy very

happy...

[AFMUG] Teaching Older People Technology

2017-03-22 Thread Nate Burke

I'm trying to teach my mom (almost 80) how to use a tablet (An older 
android model I have lying around).  She has never used a computer, or 
anything with a touch screen.  I figured learning a PC is completely out 
of the question.  She's having nothing but problems because it just 
'does things on it's own'  Pushing too long on the on screen keyboard 
and getting an alternate characters, setting it down on the table to 
read it and it rotates the screen, etc, things that someone who uses it 
all the time just doesn't even think about.  Are there any good programs 
out there to 'Teach' how to use the tablet.  
Swiping/zooming/typing/rotating etc.  I'm thinking like 'Mavis Beacon 
teaches typing' for tablets.

Re: [AFMUG] Teaching Older People Technology

2017-03-22 Thread Bill Prince


Like they do in schools. Immersion.


bp


On 3/22/2017 8:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm trying to teach my mom (almost 80) how to use a tablet (An older 
android model I have lying around).  She has never used a computer, or 
anything with a touch screen.  I figured learning a PC is completely 
out of the question.  She's having nothing but problems because it 
just 'does things on it's own' Pushing too long on the on screen 
keyboard and getting an alternate characters, setting it down on the 
table to read it and it rotates the screen, etc, things that someone 
who uses it all the time just doesn't even think about.  Are there any 
good programs out there to 'Teach' how to use the tablet. 
Swiping/zooming/typing/rotating etc.  I'm thinking like 'Mavis Beacon 
teaches typing' for tablets.

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

What do you find that you use the trencher for? Getting close to things?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Trenchers are nice for when you want to lay 1.25” duct.  Smaller plows will not 
plow that size.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

What do you find that you use the trencher for? Getting close to things?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Chris Fabien  wrote:

  We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

  The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an articulated 
machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a drop in 
through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit through the 
trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated machines. 

  I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the drill/bore 
attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator is handy 
but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would recommend a 
separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

  That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what model, 
but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly but 
ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

  On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Gerard Dupont III

We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under
sidewalks, driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an
entry/exit pit as a mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air
compressor either.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
> good job.
> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
> device?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SCADA testing

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

I had a Tonka dump truck when I was little. Seemed to be pretty good
quality.

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

> Testing our RF and wired networks with Tonka engineer.  He has cell
> hotspot connected to laptop which is controlled by engineer back east and I
> disable LAN ports to test heartbeat , alarms and recovery via wired
> connection to wireless and down to wired.   Response time is
> phenomenal...100% Ubiquiti.Tonka guy very happy...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

But you have to have water, right?

From: Gerard Dupont III 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under sidewalks, 
driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an entry/exit pit as a 
mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air compressor either.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty good 
job.
  Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

  I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a 
drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit 
through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated 
machines. 

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator 
is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would 
recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly 
but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I 
see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll 
be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

  I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

  Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

  Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
  http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

  Thanks.

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett

They don't use water in the demonstration videos I've watched.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 12:31:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

But you have to have water, right?

From:Gerard Dupont III
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:22 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under 
sidewalks, driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an 
entry/exit pit as a mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air 
compressor either.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty 
good job.

Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your 
enemies.

I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an 
article about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the 
correct device?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.

From:Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are 
somewhat tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they 
help a lot. Ours has been rolled down into a ditch once with no 
damage. Any of these machines will tip if you do something stupid.

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We 
can plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can 
find a way to fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as 
manuverable as the articulated machines.

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a 
digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my 
customer drop machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if 
you need one that much.

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see 
what model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure 
how new exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the 
older control lever style.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, 
as I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi 
Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some 
main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't 
know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it 
for customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems 
like it could be useful.

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Rory Conaway

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won't have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:image001.png@01D2A2D9.BB3A9FB0]
On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined.  Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie.

Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;)

On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Your not watching of my videos has failed you.

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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently 
listed options mention trill in the data sheet.

On Mar 21, 2017 6:41 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I'd look at IgniteNet's new TRILL switch.

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Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Wright

We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner arrangement 
with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for us.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.  Their 
seems to be a ton of knowledge there

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then nearly 
an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy. We'll likely 
use them for some large projects coming up.

They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it more 
than most consultants do.

Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?

Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of Mikrotik 
consulting?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Wright

We’ve used Generics and HP’s on our Mikrotiks, Generics in our Netonixes.

One thing noteworthy: I have never been able to get Netonix switches and RB2011 
routers to play nice for long over SFP. (All other Mikrotik models seem to work 
fine.) If something happens to disrupt Layer 1 (Reboot, SFP change, etc), the 
Netonix will cease to send traffic to the Mikrotik in spite of the link showing 
as up until you reseat the SFP in the Netonix. Power cycling the Netonix has no 
effect, bizarrely enough.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

I have these on my RB2011 and WS-12-250-DC

http://www.fs.com/products/40191.html
http://www.fs.com/products/29848.html


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:44 PM, SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
Have you tried any of these with a Netonix?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

I'm successfully using all of these with MT:

1G:
http://www.fs.com/products/13274.html
http://www.fs.com/products/22138.html
http://www.fs.com/products/39418.html

10G:
http://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>> wrote:
So if I buy the cisco rated ones they should work too??


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4238 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

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From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike 
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Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:16 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's ??

Mikrotik doesn't lock their devices in any way, so an optic coded to any brand 
should work just as well as any other.


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From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:03:49 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Store - Mikrotik compatible SFP's 
??
Is there a particular SKU that is Mikrotik compatible at 
FS.com??
 
Cheers,
 
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1-866-727-4238 x-600
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett

Is this a scheduled daily e-mail? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:47:56 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ? 


Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master? 



Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread can...@believewireless.net

I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
"less" wasting time looking for the answer.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
> us.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>
>
>
> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
> more than most consultants do.
>
>
>
> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>
>
>
> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
> Mikrotik consulting?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Cameron Crum

I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum
block of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time
expires so if you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get
your remaining hours to use if you have another issue later.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
> "less" wasting time looking for the answer.
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
>> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
>> us.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
>> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
>> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
>> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>>
>>
>>
>> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
>> more than most consultants do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
>> Mikrotik consulting?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Darin Steffl
>>
>> Minnesota WiFi
>>
>> www.mnwifi.com
>>
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SCADA testing

2017-03-22 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha... Great toys

On Mar 22, 2017 10:30 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I had a Tonka dump truck when I was little. Seemed to be pretty good
> quality.
>
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Testing our RF and wired networks with Tonka engineer.  He has cell
>> hotspot connected to laptop which is controlled by engineer back east and I
>> disable LAN ports to test heartbeat , alarms and recovery via wired
>> connection to wireless and down to wired.   Response time is
>> phenomenal...100% Ubiquiti.Tonka guy very happy...
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

No, I was not seeing my earlier sents

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike 
Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 1:17 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

Is this a scheduled daily e-mail?

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From: "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:47:56 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master?

Gino Villarini

President
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Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

SDWAN?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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President
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On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined.  Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie.

Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;)

On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Your not watching of my videos has failed you.

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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently 
listed options mention trill in the

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Gino Villarini

Thanks! Ill try it

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Utick mailto:sut...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 11:01 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

.1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.35.2

Same OID all the way back to PTP100

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On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master?

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Gerard Dupont III

No water is used with these. It uses a tapered dry compaction bit instead
of cutting a hole like the normal HDD rigs do.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> But you have to have water, right?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont III
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under
> sidewalks, driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an
> entry/exit pit as a mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air
> compressor either.
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
>> good job.
>> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>>
>> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
>> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
>> device?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>>
>> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
>> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
>> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
>> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>>
>> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
>> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
>> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
>> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
>> articulated machines.
>>
>> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
>> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
>> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
>> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
>> much.
>>
>> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
>> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
>> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
>> lever style.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>>
>>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>>
>>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ?

2017-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett

It's come through each time and you've had responses. ;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:48:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ? 


No, I was not seeing my earlier sents 


From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net 
> 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 1:17 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ? 





Is this a scheduled daily e-mail? 




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Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:47:56 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] SNMP OID PTP450 ? 


Anyone has the OID to get the RX signal on the PTP Master? 



Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[AFMUG] PMP450i 3.65ghz availability

2017-03-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Does anyone know when the 450i version of the 3.65Ghz APs will be available?

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Fabien

In addition to using it to make a trench for the boring tool, we also find
it handy for crossing ditches that are too steep or wet to drive the
machine across. You can trench across a fairly wide trench if you can pull
the machine up to the edge on either side of it.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What do you find that you use the trencher for? Getting close to things?
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
>> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
>> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
>> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>>
>> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
>> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
>> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
>> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
>> articulated machines.
>>
>> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
>> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
>> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
>> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
>> much.
>>
>> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
>> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
>> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
>> lever style.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>>
>>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>>
>>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Fabien

Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring
setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows
you to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft
about 3/4" diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make
a short trench on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through
the ground by driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck
you usually end up in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and
really no extra mess or equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling
out a huge compressor trailer.

Chris


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
> good job.
> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
> device?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 3.65ghz availability

2017-03-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Available and in stock!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know when the 450i version of the 3.65Ghz APs will be available?

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Rory Conaway

It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it's an 
interesting idea.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

SDWAN?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won't have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined.  Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie.

Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;)

On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Your not watching of my videos has failed you.

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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneti

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett

It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 



It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an 
interesting idea. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


SDWAN? 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < 
r...@triadwireless.net > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 




Interesting. Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios available 
for a while. I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to address this. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear? 



http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html
 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < 
r...@triadwireless.net > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 




Can be routed or switched. The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with lower 
speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency. 

Rory 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 



That was an Accedian product. 



So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end. 


I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it. 

Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched? 






Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


Josh, what was that product that you used to rep? 

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios. Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it. Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook. 

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that. 




On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 



Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined. Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie. 



Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;) 



On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Your not watching of my videos has failed you. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 

It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently 
listed options mention trill in the data sheet. 



On Mar 21, 2017 6:41 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I'd look at IgniteNet's new TRILL switch. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:30:07 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 

Lots of options today and redundancy with the switches wouldn’t be a bad thing 
either. 

Rory Cona

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Rory Conaway

Your idea did give me a lead though.  Thanks.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

SDWAN?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won't have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:image001.png@01D2A30B.B04F9920]

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:image001.png@01D2A30B.B04F9920]
On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined.  Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie.

Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;)

On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Your not watching of my videos has failed you.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Rory Conaway

Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits.  Even the 
products themselves are fairly new or still in development.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an 
interesting idea.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

SDWAN?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Can be routed or switched.   The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with 
lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

That was an Accedian product.

So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end.

I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it.
Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched?

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[http://127.0.0.1:54012/service/home/~/?auth=co&id=1da921bb-b2a8-4368-bc2e-c997a36651f3:113198&part=2]

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[http://127.0.0.1:54012/service/home/~/?auth=co&id=1da921bb-b2a8-4368-bc2e-c997a36651f3:113198&part=2]
On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Josh, what was that product that you used to rep?

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios.  Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it.  Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that.

On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@tria

[AFMUG] aerial drop cable

2017-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett

Do you have any favorite brands or models for 4 strand aerial drop 
cable?

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett

The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with regards 
to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm surprised is 
taking so long to mature. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 



Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits. Even the 
products themselves are fairly new or still in development. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 
It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an 
interesting idea. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


SDWAN? 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < 
r...@triadwireless.net > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 




Interesting. Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios available 
for a while. I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to address this. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear? 



http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html
 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < 
r...@triadwireless.net > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 




Can be routed or switched. The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with lower 
speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency. 

Rory 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 



That was an Accedian product. 



So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end. 


I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with 
it. 

Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched? 






Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 


Josh, what was that product that you used to rep? 

I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios. Just need to 
figure out the best way to do it. Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook. 

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just 
need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that. 




On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 



Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined. Some radio vendors 
do this but apparently not all. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links 


He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie. 



Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs 
unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;) 



On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Your not watching of my videos has failed you. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Inter

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Chris Wright

Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum block 
of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time expires so if 
you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get your remaining 
hours to use if you have another issue later.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone "less" 
wasting time looking for the answer.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright 
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner arrangement 
with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for us.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.  Their 
seems to be a ton of knowledge there

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then nearly 
an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy. We'll likely 
use them for some large projects coming up.

They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it more 
than most consultants do.

Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?

Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of Mikrotik 
consulting?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

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[AFMUG] Juniper SRX Platform

2017-03-22 Thread Rory McCann

Anyone out there used the SRX series firewalls/UTM appliances from 
Juniper? I'm moving away from Mikrotik and wanted to go with something 
on the "known compatible" list with AWS. Never been a fan of Cisco and 
have heard generally good things about Juniper.


Just curious if their UTM compares well to others on the market (like 
Fortinet, Watchguard, etc) or if it's a crapshoot?


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Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I don’t mind that as long as I’m not spending an hour minimum billing for a 
couple of emails replys.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum block 
of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time expires so if 
you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get your remaining 
hours to use if you have another issue later.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone "less" 
wasting time looking for the answer.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright 
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner arrangement 
with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for us.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.  Their 
seems to be a ton of knowledge there

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then nearly 
an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy. We'll likely 
use them for some large projects coming up.

They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it more 
than most consultants do.

Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?

Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of Mikrotik 
consulting?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

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[AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-22 Thread PE R

 If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD 
LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
Best -
Parker ReedDirector of SalesZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-22 Thread Keefe John


How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?

8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
FastEthernet port for management
Console serial port for management


On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our 
GPON, TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.


Best -

Parker Reed
Director of Sales
ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

2017-03-22 Thread PE R

ZTE's WAN and LAN cards have SFPs.
Parker ReedZTE USA

  From: George Skorup 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

  I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?

 On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

  It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.  
  On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

 Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software 
toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you can 
spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs 
installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open 
standards. 
  That's a hard business proposition to ignore.  
   On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

 haha… yeah fair enough ;)   

 On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote: 

  It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)  

   On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

 Interesting …. do they work ok? 
  I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more  
than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk in 
my opinion - some  people like it .. not my thing. 

 On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote: 

  I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power 
Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the split.  
Check Alibaba.  

  Regards,
 Chuck  

   On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock  it down to 16:1 and throw in another 
OLT if needed.

 On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was  64x1. The 
company I just got off the ground did 16x1.  
 On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

   AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.  
  Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.  
  I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?  
  The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause 
some re-splicing  down the road if you want super high FDX.  
  AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still 
supply the same SFP+  switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much on 
the backhaul.  Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards  
compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But  again, 
lots of power is required.  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON    
 Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple  
wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to  change.  All the 
splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5 Mbps 
symmetrical  all at the same time.  Sooversubscribing 3:1 you could sell 1G 
symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.    
 From: Carlos AlcantarSent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AMTo: 
af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON  
   to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released  this 
year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.    

  Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member  1325 Howard Ave. 
#604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / 
http://www.race.com  
 From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup 

 Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON    
 I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell  phones 
and watching Netflix.

 The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources  for the 
utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another 
switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps  every night. The network 
owner was convinced that everyone had  to have 1G FDX. They just don't realize 
how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports. There's less than 100 
customers so  far, so please, for the love of god, lets fix this now! We'll see 
what happens.

 Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood  of 
rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works  fine. They "want more 
speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash  for it, then we'll build it. 
 On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:  
   Alphion does, yes.    
On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote: 
 What kind of costs are you talking?
 Does  it talk to ONTs

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread can...@believewireless.net

What is the minimum block they bill at?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I don’t mind that as long as I’m not spending an hour minimum billing for
> a couple of emails replys.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum
> block of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time
> expires so if you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get
> your remaining hours to use if you have another issue later.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
> "less" wasting time looking for the answer.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
> us.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>
>
>
> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
> more than most consultants do.
>
>
>
> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>
>
>
> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
> Mikrotik consulting?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

But when is this actually going to be available?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:

> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>
> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>
> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
> FastEthernet port for management
> Console serial port for management
>
> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON,
> TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>
> Best -
>
> Parker Reed
> Director of Sales
> ZTE USA
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-22 Thread PE R

Compares quite well, and, the backplane provides scalability for XGS-PON if 
interested. 

  From: Keefe John 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

  How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT? 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
 Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
 Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
 Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
 Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
 Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
 FastEthernet port for management
 Console serial port for management

 On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:

 If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, 
TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me. 
  Best - 
  Parker Reed Director of Sales ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] aerial drop cable

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

I like the Prysmian flat drop, usually get it with a trace wire and strip
that off if I'm doing aerial. It's available w/o trace wire as well. I
usually find it in 2 or 6 strand variants, however.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Do you have any favorite brands or models for 4 strand aerial drop cable?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-22 Thread PE R

ZTE's C320 is shipping now along with trials in work.

  From: Jason McKemie 
 To: "af@afmug.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

But when is this actually going to be available?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:

  How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT? 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
 Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
 Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
 Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
 Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
 Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
 FastEthernet port for management
 Console serial port for management

 On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:

 If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, 
TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me. 
  Best - 
  Parker Reed Director of Sales ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Cameron Crum

Derek could probably answer that best.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:13 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> What is the minimum block they bill at?
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t mind that as long as I’m not spending an hour minimum billing for
>> a couple of emails replys.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:37 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum
>> block of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time
>> expires so if you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get
>> your remaining hours to use if you have another issue later.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
>> "less" wasting time looking for the answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
>> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
>> us.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
>> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
>> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
>> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>>
>>
>>
>> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
>> more than most consultants do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
>> Mikrotik consulting?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Darin Steffl
>>
>> Minnesota WiFi
>>
>> www.mnwifi.com
>>
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

2017-03-22 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Just got off the phone with Derek and it was a good conversation.

I’m scheduled for a technical phone call tomorrow morning to get started.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Derek Anderson 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Derek could probably answer that best.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:13 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
What is the minimum block they bill at?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I don’t mind that as long as I’m not spending an hour minimum billing for a 
couple of emails replys.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:37 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum block 
of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time expires so if 
you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get your remaining 
hours to use if you have another issue later.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone "less" 
wasting time looking for the answer.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright 
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner arrangement 
with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for us.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.  Their 
seems to be a ton of knowledge there

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then nearly 
an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy. We'll likely 
use them for some large projects coming up.

They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it more 
than most consultants do.

Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?

Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of Mikrotik 
consulting?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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[AFMUG] Adtran TA5000 Pricing

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart

Does anyone have pricing on TA5000 platform that they can share offline?

I’m looking for the largest chassis with all the standard controller cards + 
DWDM + Ethernet ports to start.  Yes, a bit vague I realize.  If the list has 
GPON line cards that would be awesome too.. 

USD List Prices are fine .. just need to put some options together and short on 
time - calling Adtran rep will probably take a week to hammer out … just need 
budgetary stuff to work from

Thanks :)

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I don’t think I have ever seen this.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring setup 
is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows you to 
attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft about 3/4" 
diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make a short trench 
on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through the ground by 
driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck you usually end up 
in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and really no extra mess or 
equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling out a huge compressor 
trailer.  

Chris 

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty good 
job.
  Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

  I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a 
drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit 
through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated 
machines. 

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator 
is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would 
recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly 
but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I 
see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll 
be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

  I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

  Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

  Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
  http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

  Thanks.

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Adtran TA5000 Pricing

2017-03-22 Thread Colin Stanners

>From Google, look at
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wsca-uploads/1420828908_Adtran%20Price%20List.xls
  tab 5.2.4.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Does anyone have pricing on TA5000 platform that they can share offline?
>
> I’m looking for the largest chassis with all the standard controller cards
> + DWDM + Ethernet ports to start.  Yes, a bit vague I realize.  If the list
> has GPON line cards that would be awesome too..
>
> USD List Prices are fine .. just need to put some options together and
> short on time - calling Adtran rep will probably take a week to hammer out
> … just need budgetary stuff to work from
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Paul
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Adtran TA5000 Pricing

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart

Thanks … I had seen that before but missed the tab that has TA5000

Thanks,
Paul


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> From Google, look at 
> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wsca-uploads/1420828908_Adtran%20Price%20List.xls
>  
> 
>tab 5.2.4. 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
> Does anyone have pricing on TA5000 platform that they can share offline?
> 
> I’m looking for the largest chassis with all the standard controller cards + 
> DWDM + Ethernet ports to start.  Yes, a bit vague I realize.  If the list has 
> GPON line cards that would be awesome too..
> 
> USD List Prices are fine .. just need to put some options together and short 
> on time - calling Adtran rep will probably take a week to hammer out … just 
> need budgetary stuff to work from
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>

[AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Adam Moffett


Why are fiber drop cables flat?

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Luthman

You mean like ribbon?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Colin Stanners

The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on
each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable
increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less
space on the reel?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Nate Burke


Like this one?

http://www.southern-tool.com/store/uw_boring_machines.php



On 3/22/2017 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I don’t think I have ever seen this.
*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction 
boring setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow 
that allows you to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid 
steel shaft about 3/4" diameter with a compaction auger head on the 
end. You just make a short trench on one side, lay the bit in the 
trench and drill it through the ground by driving the machine forward. 
With good aim and a little luck you usually end up in a pretty good 
spot on the other side. Very fast and really no extra mess or 
equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling out a huge 
compressor trailer.

Chris
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a
pretty good job.
Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your
enemies.
I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an
article about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that
the correct device?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are
somewhat tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they
help a lot. Ours has been rolled down into a ditch once with no
damage. Any of these machines will tip if you do something stupid.
The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker.
We can plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually
can find a way to fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think
is as manuverable as the articulated machines.
I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and
the drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my
customer drop machine. I would recommend a separate mini
excavator if you need one that much.
That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see
what model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not
sure how new exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they
have the older control lever style.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The
options, as I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch
410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer
drops as well as some main-runs.
I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I
don't know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm
also using it for customer drops.  The drill attachment for
the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.
Anyone have experience with these machines? Recommendations?
Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
Thanks.
-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Gerard Dupont III

This is what we do but without the backreamer.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N_LS6u0BkKY


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:47 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Like this one?
>
> http://www.southern-tool.com/store/uw_boring_machines.php
>
>
>
>
> On 3/22/2017 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I don’t think I have ever seen this.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring
> setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows
> you to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft
> about 3/4" diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make
> a short trench on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through
> the ground by driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck
> you usually end up in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and
> really no extra mess or equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling
> out a huge compressor trailer.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
> good job.
> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
> device?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Mark Radabaugh

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount of 
research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason.

Mark 

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable increases 
> cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less space on the 
> reel?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> Why are fiber drop cables flat?  
>

[AFMUG] AF5x OIDs

2017-03-22 Thread Josh Corson

Would anyone be willing to share the OIDs they are using for the AF5x?
Not looking for anything specifically, just any/all that you use for
monitoring.

I'd rather not go through the MIB if I don't have to.

I appreciate it.

Thanks

Josh

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Hum… thinking about it more.   The phone drop would have originally been two 
parallel conductors with insulation.  They were not originally twisted pairs in 
the phone network and placing the two wires flat next to each other uses the 
least insulation material.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3134845A/en?q=telephone&q=drop&q=cable&before=19700101&page=3
 




Mark

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
> wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
> flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount 
> of research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason.
> 
> 
> Mark 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners > > wrote:
>> 
>> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
>> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable 
>> increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less 
>> space on the reel?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>> Why are fiber drop cables flat?  
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Joe

We did extensive testing…  

 

Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute for 
¾” pipe. 

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the 
angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our ground 
conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.

 

We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. 

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… even a couple inches of 
frozen ground

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip 
(Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM

video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).  

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.

 

We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under cement 
driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM

make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing through 
fiber or a smaller conduit where needed

 

For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a bullet 
with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers when 
we are “rolling black coal”

 

We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we attach a 
carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added work for the 
water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be practical.  Another one we 
looked at was sending a stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need 
the water source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think of 
how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground easier with 
water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very functional… just impractical 
in practice.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

 

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

 

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

 

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

 

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

 

Thanks.

 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x OIDs

2017-03-22 Thread Steve Utick

Temperature 1  .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.7.1
Temperature 2  .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.9.1
RX Capacity  .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.5.1
TX Capacity  .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.6.1
RX Signal Strength 0   .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.11.1
RX Signal Strength 1   .1.3.6.1.4.1.41112.1.3.2.1.14.1

Seems to be the same on the AF5, AF24, etc.


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Josh Corson 
wrote:

> Would anyone be willing to share the OIDs they are using for the AF5x?
> Not looking for anything specifically, just any/all that you use for
> monitoring.
>
> I'd rather not go through the MIB if I don't have to.
>
> I appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

What I am talking about is a hydra bore attachment for the maxi sneaker.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

Like this one?

http://www.southern-tool.com/store/uw_boring_machines.php

On 3/22/2017 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I don’t think I have ever seen this.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring 
setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows you 
to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft about 3/4" 
diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make a short trench 
on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through the ground by 
driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck you usually end up 
in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and really no extra mess or 
equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling out a huge compressor 
trailer.  

  Chris 

  On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty good 
job.
Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat 
tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours has 
been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these machines will 
tip if you do something stupid. 

  The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a 
drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit 
through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated 
machines. 

  I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator 
is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would 
recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

  That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly 
but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

  On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I 
see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll 
be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't 
know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for 
customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be 
useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I have seen guys do this with a water pipe with water flowing through it.  Just 
work it back and forth.  They may have had a cap on it with holes.  In good 
digging it went right through.  

From: Gerard Dupont III 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

This is what we do but without the backreamer. 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N_LS6u0BkKY

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:47 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Like this one?

  http://www.southern-tool.com/store/uw_boring_machines.php

  On 3/22/2017 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I don’t think I have ever seen this.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring 
setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows you 
to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft about 3/4" 
diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make a short trench 
on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through the ground by 
driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck you usually end up 
in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and really no extra mess or 
equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling out a huge compressor 
trailer.  

Chris 

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty 
good job.
  Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

  I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.

  I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article 
about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct device?

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are 
somewhat tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. 
Ours has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these 
machines will tip if you do something stupid. 

The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an 
articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can plow a 
drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to fit 
through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the articulated 
machines. 

I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the 
drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a digger/excavator 
is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop machine. I would 
recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that much.  

That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what 
model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new exactly 
but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control lever style. 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as 
I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  
I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs. 

  I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't 
know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for 
customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be 
useful.  

  Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

  Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
  http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

  Thanks.

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

P clamps.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same drop 
wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop cable is 
flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given the amount of 
research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a very good reason. 

Mark 

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

  The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on 
each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable increases 
cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less space on the 
reel?

  On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Why are fiber drop cables flat?

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Good to know.  I didn’t know Ditch Witch had such a beast.  How deep are you 
putting the drops?

From: Joe 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We did extensive testing…  

Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute for 
¾” pipe. 

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the 
angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our ground 
conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.

We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. 

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… even a couple inches of 
frozen ground

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip 
(Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM

video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).  

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.

We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under cement 
driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM

make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing through 
fiber or a smaller conduit where needed

For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a bullet 
with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers when 
we are “rolling black coal”

We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we attach a 
carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added work for the 
water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be practical.  Another one we 
looked at was sending a stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need 
the water source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think of 
how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground easier with 
water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very functional… just impractical 
in practice.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Is it an R80?  That is the only one that seems tracked and articulated.

From: Joe 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We did extensive testing…  

Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute for 
¾” pipe. 

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the 
angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our ground 
conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.

We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. 

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… even a couple inches of 
frozen ground

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip 
(Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM

video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).  

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.

We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under cement 
driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM

make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing through 
fiber or a smaller conduit where needed

For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a bullet 
with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers when 
we are “rolling black coal”

We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we attach a 
carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added work for the 
water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be practical.  Another one we 
looked at was sending a stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need 
the water source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think of 
how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground easier with 
water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very functional… just impractical 
in practice.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

How deep can the zahn go though? Last I looked, it was considerably lighter
duty than the 410sx.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Joe  wrote:

> We did extensive testing…
>
>
>
> Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute
> for ¾” pipe.
>
> It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the
> angle when going shallow.
>
> We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our
> ground conditions
>
> Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.
>
>
>
> *We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. *
>
> The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions
>
> With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… *even a couple
> inches of frozen ground*
>
> We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip
> (Chinese finger trap)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM
>
> video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very
> well
>
> A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).
>
> Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed
>
> Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.
>
>
>
> We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under
> cement driveways.
>
> This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM
>
> make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing
> through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed
>
>
>
> For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a
> bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”
>
> The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers
> when we are “rolling black coal”
>
>
>
> We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we
> attach a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added
> work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be
> practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a stream of water down the
> plow itself, but then we need the water source moving… and it used a lot of
> water to be effective.  Think of how a big tree mover sends the big knifes
> into the ground easier with water…that was the model we compared it to.
> Very functional… just impractical in practice.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
>
> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
>
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-22 Thread Jason McKemie

I've used these in a few locations. I always end up ditching the shim
though - you'd have to have some pretty skinny cable to use it.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> P clamps.
> [image: Image result for p clamp drop wire]
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question
>
> It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the same
> drop wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why telephone drop
> cable is flat probably requires research into old telco practices.   Given
> the amount of research Bell Labs did over the years I’m sure there is a
> very good reason.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength member on
> each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a rounded cable
> increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat cable takes up less
> space on the reel?
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Why are fiber drop cables flat?
>>
>
>
>
>

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