Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Rory Conaway]

I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and partnered with 
a company last week.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully white label 
as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use 
your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service 
without any overhead.

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you want 
more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would 
> usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP 
> server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to 
> different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What 
> you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central 
>> office switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross 
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone 
>> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to 
>> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service 
>> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will 
>> register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an 
>>> ATA in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we 
>>> talking about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider 
>>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of 
>>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they 
>>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in 
 Utah.  I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

 We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

 So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Rob Genovesi]

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully
white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which
means you can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone
looking to add VOIP service without any overhead.

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If
you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
> define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run
> the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based
> on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called
> white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
>> switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
>> but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
>> ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
>> connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
>> run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>>> in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
 would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

 We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

 So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I run my own server but If you don't want to do that I think CTI does a 
white label?  http://www.converge-tech.com/WholesaleVoIP-s/1840.htm I am in no 
way endorsing this service or any other :)


From: Af  on behalf of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:56:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip 
companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I recommend 
going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and pay via credit 
card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved. Such as 
voip.ms or a competitor.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define 
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the 
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on 
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white 
label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.

No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office switch.
I will not be using that for this service.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification but 
in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and 
SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to?



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the 
subscribers home.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about?  
You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP 
system, or you want it fully hosted?

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?

Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

Don't VoIP providers typically shy away from non-RBOCs? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:44:36 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 

We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. 

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip
companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I
recommend going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and
pay via credit card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved.
Such as voip.ms or a competitor.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
> define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and
> run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers
> based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually
> called white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
>> switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one
>> side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the
>> ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan
>> to run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>>> in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
 would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

 We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

 So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out
 there.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define 
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the 
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on 
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white 
label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.  

  No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office 
switch.  
  I will not be using that for this service.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification 
but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP 
and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to? 



  On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in 
the subscribers home.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking 
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your 
own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?   

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and
run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers
based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually
called white label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>
> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
> switch.
> I will not be using that for this service.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
> but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
> ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
> connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
> run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>> in the subscribers home.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>
>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>
>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>>
>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>>
>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[David Milholen]

I think Lewis is doing something in voip..

We use sotel as the global provider.



On 5/30/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  
I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.


--

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.  

No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office 
switch.  
I will not be using that for this service.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification but 
in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and 
SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to? 



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in 
the subscribers home.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking 
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your 
own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?   

  What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


  Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

  On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Jason McKemie]

I assume there are different widths? For instance a wide enough chute to
get a flat drop cable through vs 3/4" conduit - I would imagine this would
affect the depth you were able to go?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
> with a chute blade.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg > > wrote:
>>
>>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>>> around here are required to do chute.
>>>
>>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
 plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.

 *From:* Joe
 *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade


 Great question… there is a few key differences.



 With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage,
 sometimes we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for
 power if a customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)



 If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…



 If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

Many or sharp curves… use a chute

Or plan for adding couplers



 If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
 stretching.

 If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
 chute



 Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on
 the first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and
 pull the product.



 If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.
 I haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.



 Friction is not your friend when pulling…



 And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
 weight / HP.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade



 Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
 pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
run your own VoIP server which they will register to?



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
> in the subscribers home.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>
> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>
> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>
>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>
>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the 
subscribers home.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about?  
You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP 
system, or you want it fully hosted?   

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Chris Fabien]

That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
with a chute blade.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>> around here are required to do chute.
>>
>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>
>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>
>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>> stretching.
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>> chute
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>>> the product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>> weight / HP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?

Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>

[AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Jason McKemie]

What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues
> with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion
> is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around
> here are required to do chute.
>
> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM,  > wrote:
>
>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>
>> *From:* Joe
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>
>>
>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>
>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>
>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>
>>
>>
>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>> stretching.
>>
>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>> chute
>>
>>
>>
>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>> the product.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>
>>
>>
>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>> weight / HP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
>> McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks, I just requested a quote - I'm a bit scared of what I'm going to
get back though.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:

> they do have an all outdoor gpon unit, the e3-2.  Strand mount / wall
> mount.
>
>
> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-2-intelligent-pon-node.html
>
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com
>  / http://www.race.com
>
> --
> *From:* Af  > on behalf of
> Jason McKemie  >
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 3:48:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?
>
> Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas  > wrote:
>
>> A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.
>>
>> These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on
>> site. We have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All
>> line powered from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>>
>> Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing
>> service in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area
>> feeding these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up
>> later or are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in
>> the area? The pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Dennis Burgess]

Yep, called links ☺


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

We are on TowerCoverage.  I did not know it did path calcs.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Towercoverage.com has done 11ghz for years ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Found this on ubnt forum - can't comment on accuracy.  FYI, we use PathLoss.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/New-AF11FX-Link-Calculator/m-p/1741139#M32848

From: Af > on behalf of 
SmarterBroadband >
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:17:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Well I suppose I could, but hell I don’t want to.. 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:22 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I think they have that stuff in airlink, but you can always just look up the 
spec sheets for all the relevant parts and calculate it manually.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will have 
very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

I think airlink,ubnt.com supports 11ghz now, so that can be 
used to get a fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool 
is pretty nice.
But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not very 
hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning is done by 
your coordinator.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
Using?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

DIY

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

Does UBNT do link Planning?

Reseller?

DIY?

Other??



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since.
The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

Exalt ?
Dragonwave ?
SAIE ?

Or newer ones like

Alcoma
Cablefree FOR3

Anyone tried the last two?

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Chuck Hogg]

I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues
with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion
is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around
here are required to do chute.

We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM,  wrote:

> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow
> blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>
> *From:* Joe
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>
>
>
> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>
>
>
> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>
>
>
> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>
>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>
>Or plan for adding couplers
>
>
>
> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
> stretching.
>
> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
> chute
>
>
>
> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
> the product.
>
>
>
> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>
>
>
> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>
>
>
> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
> weight / HP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
>
> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Carlos Alcantar]

they do have an all outdoor gpon unit, the e3-2.  Strand mount / wall mount.


https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-2-intelligent-pon-node.html





Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / 
http://www.race.com


From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:48:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?

On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas 
> wrote:
A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.
These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on site. We 
have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All line powered 
from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Inline image 1]

Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing service 
in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area feeding 
these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up later or 
are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in the area? The 
pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

We are on TowerCoverage.  I did not know it did path calcs.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

Towercoverage.com has done 11ghz for years :)  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

Found this on ubnt forum - can't comment on accuracy.  FYI, we use PathLoss.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/New-AF11FX-Link-Calculator/m-p/1741139#M32848

  _  

From: Af  > on behalf of 
SmarterBroadband  >
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:17:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences 

 

Well I suppose I could, but hell I don’t want to.. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:22 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

I think they have that stuff in airlink, but you can always just look up the 
spec sheets for all the relevant parts and calculate it manually.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will have 
very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

I think airlink,ubnt.com   supports 11ghz now, so that can be 
used to get a fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool 
is pretty nice.

But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not very 
hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning is done by 
your coordinator.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

Using?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

DIY

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

 

 

 

[AFMUG] Qualcomm Announces Mesh Networking Wi-Fi Router Reference Design with IoT Functionality

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11466/qualcomm-announces-mesh-networking-wifi-router-reference-design-with-iot-functionality